Thread: [Indic-computing-users] Re: Elx Linux... an Indian product
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-04-09 20:44:54
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Is Indix the same thing as IndLinux's initative described below...? FN On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, in...@el... wrote: > Hi Frederick, > > We are happy to inform you that we are currently including indix in ELX powerdesktop , in a months time ELX will be supporting indix . > > Rgds > Meena >From fr...@by... Wed Apr 9 22:43:49 2003 http://linuxpr.com/releases/5732.html ___________________________________ IndLinux.org announces launch of Hindi interface for computers Apr 3rd, 12:19 UTC IndLinux.org's Milan software enables Hindi users to use computers in their own language, a major leap forward in bringing the benefits of information technology to Indian masses IndLinux.org announced the launch of IndLinux Milan v0.37, a Hindi interface to Gnome, the graphical user interface (GUI) of the GNU/Linux operating system. The software is available as a free download from the Web site www.indlinux.org. With IndLinux Milan v0.37 installed, those who can read and write Hindi can now use computers in their own language. The organization said that this is a major step forward in bringing the benefits of information technology to the 400 million people who speak the Hindi language. Prakash Advani, co-founder of IndLinux.org said that the organization has been working on localizing the GNU/Linux operating system to Hindi for the last three years. Localization involves changing the menus and other elements of the graphic user interface from English to Hindi. "Hindi is the third largest language in the world, yet there are no operating systems available in this language. IndLinux.org therefore decided to make Hindi support available for free to create a revolution in Indian Language Computing," said Advani. As the world becomes increasingly digitized, Indian Language audiences need to be brought into the mainstream of the digital revolution so that they can also reap the socio-economic benefits of information technology. The IndLinux Milan software is expected to plug a critical gap in the market, since popular operating systems and software are available only in English which is spoken by a mere five percent of India. IndLinux Milan v0.37 works on Red Hat Linux v8.0 and the organization is working on porting it to other distributions of the GNU/Linux operating system. Advani said that they chose the name Milan (Hindi for "Union") because it signifies the inclusion of India's Hindi speaking masses into the mainstream of the digital age. As the cost of computers fall, the biggest bottleneck to the widespread use of computers is the availability of Indian language software. By making the software available free of cost, Indlinux.org hopes that information technology will reach each and every part of India. IndLinux.org is a voluntary, non-profit effort that has been supported by Netcore Solutions Pvt. Ltd, a Mumbai-based technology company. After having localized GNU/Linux to Hindi, the organization hopes to localize the GUI to Marathi, Gujarati and other Indian languages. To download the Milan software (a 1.5MB download) click on [3]www.indlinux.org/downloads/index.php. Screenshots and pictures of the operating system can be downloaded from [4]www.indlinux.org/hindi/gnome/gnome20.html. For more details, contact: Prakash Advani, Co-founder, IndLinux.org, C/o Netcore Solutions Pvt. Ltd. 402, Peninsula Chambers (Morarjee Mills Compound), Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg, Lower Parel (W), Mumbai 400 013. Tel: +91 22-5662 8000 Mobile: +91-98202 82922 Fax: +91 (22) 56628134 E-mail: prakash1 at netcore.co.in Web: [5]www.indlinux.org _________________________________________________________________ (Submitted by [6]Prakash Advani of [7]FreeOS) > Frederick Noronha (FN) wrote: > > > >Dear friends at Elx: Thanks for the copies of your CDs, which I am yet to > >evaluate here, but am intent on understanding why your product has got > >such good reviews overseas (among the top ten on www.distrowatch.com when > >last checkec) and is yet so little known in India. > > > >I do wish we would do more justice to home-grown efforts. > > > >While on this point, you probably know that the IndLinux project has come > >out with a Hindi version of Gnome. Would it not be possible for Elx to > >become the first distro in the world to include this officially as part of > >its CD? You would be doing all of us, and the effort to spread computing > >across the second-most populous country on the planet. Above all, perhaps > >it would make good business sense too. FN > > > >PS: Please see the Indic Computing network on Sourceforge.net for a whole > >lot of Indian language computing solutions and attempts. Perhaps we knokw > >much less than what is happening across India. It's great to see so many > >different language groups and specialists collaborating with each other... > >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net > >Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org > >http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com > >http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: <ve...@vs...> - 2003-04-10 06:28:46
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The IndLinux web site is at www.indlinux.org and the Milan Hindi interface we have developed is a 1.5MB download from this web site. We would be very happy to see Milan included with the Elx CD. Regards, Venky fr...@by... wrote Dear friends at Elx: Thanks for the copies of your CDs, which I am yet to evaluate here, but am intent on understanding why your product has got such good reviews overseas (among the top ten on www.distrowatch.com when last checkec) and is yet so little known in India. I do wish we would do more justice to home-grown efforts. While on this point, you probably know that the IndLinux project has come out with a Hindi version of Gnome. Would it not be possible for Elx to become the first distro in the world to include this officially as part of its CD? You would be doing all of us, and the effort to spread computing across the second-most populous country on the planet. Above all, perhaps it would make good business sense too. FN PS: Please see the Indic Computing network on Sourceforge.net for a whole lot of Indian language computing solutions and attempts. Perhaps we knokw much less than what is happening across India. It's great to see so many different language groups and specialists collaborating with each other... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Frederick N. (FN) <fr...@by...> - 2003-04-10 18:50:34
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I think Elx has a problem because their distro doesn't work with Gnome (for reasons of space) and Milan works only with Gnome. Isn't it? FN On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 ve...@vs... wrote: > The IndLinux web site is at www.indlinux.org and the Milan Hindi interface we have developed is a 1.5MB download from this web site. We would be very happy to see Milan included with the Elx CD. > > Regards, > > Venky > > > fr...@by... wrote > Dear friends at Elx: Thanks for the copies of your CDs, which I am yet to > evaluate here, but am intent on understanding why your product has got > such good reviews overseas (among the top ten on www.distrowatch.com when > last checkec) and is yet so little known in India. > > I do wish we would do more justice to home-grown efforts. > > While on this point, you probably know that the IndLinux project has come > out with a Hindi version of Gnome. Would it not be possible for Elx to > become the first distro in the world to include this officially as part of > its CD? You would be doing all of us, and the effort to spread computing > across the second-most populous country on the planet. Above all, perhaps > it would make good business sense too. FN > > PS: Please see the Indic Computing network on Sourceforge.net for a whole > lot of Indian language computing solutions and attempts. Perhaps we knokw > much less than what is happening across India. It's great to see so many > different language groups and specialists collaborating with each other... > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Noronha (FN) | http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: <al...@ya...> - 2003-04-10 03:54:45
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> Is Indix the same thing as IndLinux's initative described below...? FN No, it is not. http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Indic-Fonts-HOWTO/ http://geocities.com/alkuma/linux Indix is a script rendering engine for X. What indlinux localises, indix can display. ===== Alok Kumar F1, Wireless Monitoring Station Compound, 9th Main, 47th Cross, Jayanagar V Block Bangalore 560076 India +91-80-653-8200 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-hindi/ Can't see Hindi? http://geocities.com/alkuma/seehindi.html à¤à¤ªà¤à¥ सà¥à¤à¤¾à¤µ शà¥à¤à¥à¤°à¤¤à¤¾ सॠतà¤à¥ सà¥à¤µà¥à¤à¤¾à¤° हà¥à¤à¤à¥ à¤à¥ à¤à¤¬ à¤à¤ª à¤à¤¨à¥à¤¹à¥à¤ लाà¤à¥ à¤à¤°à¤¨à¥ à¤à¤¾ बà¥à¤¡à¤¼à¤¾ à¤à¥ सà¥à¤µà¤¯à¤ à¤à¤ ायà¥à¤à¤à¥à¥¤ ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-04-22 18:18:37
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> Indix is a script rendering engine for X. > What indlinux localises, indix can display. I'm not sure if it would work that way. The last I checked, NCST IndiX had deviated from the X protocol; the text drawing tests in the X test suite run fail horribly when you run the test suite against NCST IndiX. [This has already been covered on the Indic lists in the past]. What this means is that an existing X client which works on other servers is not guaranteed to work correctly under IndiX. GNOME's Indic rendering is X protocol compliant and should work with any X server. ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-04-23 04:37:23
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--- Joseph Koshy <a_j...@ya...> wrote: > > Indix is a script rendering engine for X. > > What indlinux localises, indix can display. > > I'm not sure if it would work that way. > > What this means is > that an existing X client which works on other servers > is not guaranteed to work correctly under IndiX. Can you please list few clients which do not work with NCST IndiX? - Keyur __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com |
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From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-04-23 03:16:05
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Hi Koshy, What about Redhat latest distribution with Hindi (Milan?)? Does it follow NCST or Gnome? Which one I should go for? Rgds, Pavanaja > > Indix is a script rendering engine for X. > > What indlinux localises, indix can display. > > I'm not sure if it would work that way. > > The last I checked, NCST IndiX had deviated from the X protocol; the > text drawing tests in the X test suite run fail horribly when you run > the test suite against NCST IndiX. [This has already been covered on > the Indic lists in the past]. What this means is that an existing X > client which works on other servers is not guaranteed to work > correctly under IndiX. > > GNOME's Indic rendering is X protocol compliant and should work > with any X server. > > ===== > Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ > Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project > http://indic-computing.sf.net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. > visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Indic-computing-users mailing list > http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/ > Ind...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users > [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce] > > ---------------------------------------------------- - Dr. U.B. Pavanaja Editor, Vishva Kannada World's first Internet magazine in Kannada http://www.vishvakannada.com/ Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes |
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From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2003-04-24 09:21:31
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:44:57 +0530 "Dr. U.B. Pavanaja" <pav...@vi...> wrote: > Hi Koshy, > > What about Redhat latest distribution with Hindi > (Milan?)? Does it follow NCST or Gnome? Which one I > should go for? > Redhat uses Gnome 2, Gnome 2 uses the indic support in Pango. Use RH (Gnome) if you dont want to tinker much, else try Indix. Regards, -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.Discover." - Mark Twain --------------------------- * Indian Linux project * * http://www.indlinux.org * --------------------------- |
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From: <a_j...@ya...> - 2003-04-24 12:05:09
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> Redhat uses Gnome 2, Gnome 2 uses the indic support in Pango. Use RH > (Gnome) if you dont want to tinker much, else try Indix. Karunakar is making his characteristic understatements here :). The issue is more than one of simple ease of use. If you use Gnome 2 and Pango, you get backwards compatibility with X servers and X terminals made two decades back and forward compatibility all the way till X dies. Further with GTK & Pango, you can display indian language text side by side with other scripts in (Chinese, Korean, Arabic whatever) correctly. There are downsides to the Pango+GTK combination, but these are minor. NCST IndiX offers none of these advantages; in fact, quite the converse. Existing X applications sometimes display garbled text under it (among its other faults). You may or may not come across this if you do ad-hoc testing. However, the X test suite is readily available off the XFree86 site [via CVSup/CVS], and comes with tools that allow you to view the output of buggy servers conveniently. It takes about 15 minutes to setup and run (just follow the README) and confirm what I'm saying for yourself -- maybe you or Karunakar should try this out and satisfy yourselves. ===== Joseph Koshy, FreeBSD Developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/ Founder/Manager/Programmer/Peon, The Indic-Computing Project http://indic-computing.sf.net ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com |
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From: Arun S. <ar...@sh...> - 2003-04-25 06:01:58
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Joseph Koshy wrote: > scripts in (Chinese, Korean, Arabic whatever) correctly. There > are downsides to the Pango+GTK combination, but these are minor. The biggest downside is the combination itself :) There are tons of non-gtk applications for Linux. Implementing the support in X will sidestep the toolkit wars. -Arun |
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From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-04-25 14:59:45
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--- Joseph Koshy <a_j...@ya...> wrote: > NCST IndiX offers none of these advantages; in fact, quite the > converse. Existing X applications sometimes display garbled > text under it (among its other faults). You have not mentioned which applications display garbled text with IndiX and under which circumstances. You like it or not but IndiX provides immediate localization solution to many applications including web browsers (including Mozilla and lynx), terminal emulator, and printing. This kind of solutions are currently not available with other approaches. People can safely use IndiX until other people can come with "standard" solution. If you run real applications then you'll not find any problem. IndiX is mainly for Indian users and not for Chinese or Japanese people. If they can decide to go out of the usual way in order to support their languages then why can't we? That too using Unicode encoding and OpenType font. And we are not against any other solution. You can see that we have developed on-screen virtual keyboard based on Gtk-2/Pango. You can download it from IndiX website. - Keyur __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com |