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[Indic-computing-users] Project -new programming langauge

From: Dr. U.B. P. <pav...@vi...> - 2003-01-01 14:15:35

Below is a posting from the VOLT message board.
-Pavanaja

Dear sir ,
I am Dr.B.V.Venkata Krishna Sastry, Faculty at Hindu University of America.
I am a Langauge technologist, working on the design of a 'new programming langauge'
having integrated features of Sound-script-langauge' inbult at the 'Font'level.
The exiting standards of ASCII /UNICODE do not handle the 'sound' issue; And the
office productivity softwares are focussed mainly on character based processing.
The issue is linked to different technical groups- a) The font developers have to provide
some way of integrating/ attribute building for the element of sound and langauge ;
which at present is handled outside the font by defining the same in to a font-langauge
family . b) Once this is made , the OS and the applications should be able to read this
'FONT' properly and send the outputs/instructions properly to the display -processing
and operating devices . I am not able to get one agency where i can address this issue
for an intneded solution of 'True multilingual notepad and the text reader'. The different
groups of technologies are working in 'segments'making the solution a complex one.
This issue is pursued by me as a 'Content developer who has developed Interactive
Multimedia CD-ROM's with Cultural content -like BhagavadGita ,Gods of India' and the
formats of the 'Digital books for Devanagari Sanskrit studies'.
I have noticed that the Micosoft Project areas related to - WHO, Speech recognition,
voice Data base and such areas do visualize such issues. The other areas where this
approach provides a solution is Intelligent systems, SpokenLangague Interface and the
like.
NOTE:- Please copy your message response to - sastry_bvk@hindu-
university.edu also for convenince .
Could you please let me know the group to whom this issue needs to be addressed pl?
-----------------------------------------------------
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
Editor, Vishva Kannada
World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes

Re: [Indic-computing-users] Project -new programming langauge

From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-01-02 05:05:03

Hi,

The Unicode coverage of Indian scripts clearly lacks phonetic signs that
were used in ancient literature such as four Vedas (Rigveda, Saamveda,
Atharvaveda, Yajurveda). Extended Latin range in Unicode covers some
phonetic symbols in Latin script. Other phonetic symbols are encoded in IPA
area which covers some of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) in
Unicode [U+250 - U+2AF]. But again these symbols are based on Latin script.
There is a need to include all symbols (like pitch, stress, time, etc.)
needed for Indian phonetic alphabets because even visual appearance of
these symbols are not there in Unicode as can be seen in ancient
literature. Since it is clear that all these symbols cannot be included in
current Unicode range for Indian script, separate space should be provided
for it in Unicode.

- Keyur


--- "Dr. U.B. Pavanaja" <pav...@vi...> wrote:
> Below is a posting from the VOLT message board.
> -Pavanaja
> 
> Dear sir , 
> I am Dr.B.V.Venkata Krishna Sastry, Faculty at Hindu University of
> America. 
> I am a Langauge technologist, working on the design of a 'new programming
> langauge' 
> having integrated features of Sound-script-langauge' inbult at the
> 'Font'level. 
> The exiting standards of ASCII /UNICODE do not handle the 'sound' issue;
> And the 
> office productivity softwares are focussed mainly on character based
> processing. 
> The issue is linked to different technical groups- a) The font developers
> have to provide 
> some way of integrating/ attribute building for the element of sound and
> langauge ; 
> which at present is handled outside the font by defining the same in to a
> font-langauge 
> family . b) Once this is made , the OS and the applications should be
> able to read this 
> 'FONT' properly and send the outputs/instructions properly to the display
> -processing 
> and operating devices . I am not able to get one agency where i can
> address this issue 
> for an intneded solution of 'True multilingual notepad and the text
> reader'. The different 
> groups of technologies are working in 'segments'making the solution a
> complex one. 
> This issue is pursued by me as a 'Content developer who has developed
> Interactive 
> Multimedia CD-ROM's with Cultural content -like BhagavadGita ,Gods of
> India' and the 
> formats of the 'Digital books for Devanagari Sanskrit studies'. 
> I have noticed that the Micosoft Project areas related to - WHO, Speech
> recognition, 
> voice Data base and such areas do visualize such issues. The other areas
> where this 
> approach provides a solution is Intelligent systems, SpokenLangague
> Interface and the 
> like. 
> NOTE:- Please copy your message response to - sastry_bvk@hindu-
> university.edu also for convenince . 
> Could you please let me know the group to whom this issue needs to be
> addressed pl? 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
> Editor, Vishva Kannada
> World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
> http://www.vishvakannada.com/
> 
> Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Project -new programming langauge

From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-01-02 05:21:14

I forgot to add that Ministry of C&IT, Government of India has been
addressing these issues by collecting information. Let us hope that we'll
see Indian phonetic alphabets in Unicode in near future.

- Keyur



--- Keyur Shroff <key...@ya...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The Unicode coverage of Indian scripts clearly lacks phonetic signs that
> were used in ancient literature such as four Vedas (Rigveda, Saamveda,
> Atharvaveda, Yajurveda). Extended Latin range in Unicode covers some
> phonetic symbols in Latin script. Other phonetic symbols are encoded in
> IPA
> area which covers some of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) in
> Unicode [U+250 - U+2AF]. But again these symbols are based on Latin
> script.
> There is a need to include all symbols (like pitch, stress, time, etc.)
> needed for Indian phonetic alphabets because even visual appearance of
> these symbols are not there in Unicode as can be seen in ancient
> literature. Since it is clear that all these symbols cannot be included
> in
> current Unicode range for Indian script, separate space should be
> provided
> for it in Unicode.
> 
> - Keyur
> 
> 
> --- "Dr. U.B. Pavanaja" <pav...@vi...> wrote:
> > Below is a posting from the VOLT message board.
> > -Pavanaja
> > 
> > Dear sir , 
> > I am Dr.B.V.Venkata Krishna Sastry, Faculty at Hindu University of
> > America. 
> > I am a Langauge technologist, working on the design of a 'new
> programming
> > langauge' 
> > having integrated features of Sound-script-langauge' inbult at the
> > 'Font'level. 
> > The exiting standards of ASCII /UNICODE do not handle the 'sound'
> issue;
> > And the 
> > office productivity softwares are focussed mainly on character based
> > processing. 
> > The issue is linked to different technical groups- a) The font
> developers
> > have to provide 
> > some way of integrating/ attribute building for the element of sound
> and
> > langauge ; 
> > which at present is handled outside the font by defining the same in to
> a
> > font-langauge 
> > family . b) Once this is made , the OS and the applications should be
> > able to read this 
> > 'FONT' properly and send the outputs/instructions properly to the
> display
> > -processing 
> > and operating devices . I am not able to get one agency where i can
> > address this issue 
> > for an intneded solution of 'True multilingual notepad and the text
> > reader'. The different 
> > groups of technologies are working in 'segments'making the solution a
> > complex one. 
> > This issue is pursued by me as a 'Content developer who has developed
> > Interactive 
> > Multimedia CD-ROM's with Cultural content -like BhagavadGita ,Gods of
> > India' and the 
> > formats of the 'Digital books for Devanagari Sanskrit studies'. 
> > I have noticed that the Micosoft Project areas related to - WHO, Speech
> > recognition, 
> > voice Data base and such areas do visualize such issues. The other
> areas
> > where this 
> > approach provides a solution is Intelligent systems, SpokenLangague
> > Interface and the 
> > like. 
> > NOTE:- Please copy your message response to - sastry_bvk@hindu-
> > university.edu also for convenince . 
> > Could you please let me know the group to whom this issue needs to be
> > addressed pl? 
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
> > Editor, Vishva Kannada
> > World's first Internet magazine in Kannada
> > http://www.vishvakannada.com/
> > 
> > Note: I don't worry about pselling mixtakes
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > _______________________________________________
> > Indic-computing-users mailing list
> > http://indic-computing.sourceforge.net/
> > Ind...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/indic-computing-users
> > [Other Indic-Computing mailing lists: -devel, -standards, -announce]
> 
> 
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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Project -new programming langauge

From: Guntupalli K. <kar...@fr...> - 2003-01-02 07:12:56

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:05:01 -0800 (PST)
Keyur Shroff <key...@ya...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The Unicode coverage of Indian scripts clearly lacks phonetic signs
> that were used in ancient literature such as four Vedas (Rigveda,
> Saamveda, Atharvaveda, Yajurveda). Extended Latin range in Unicode
> covers some phonetic symbols in Latin script. Other phonetic symbols
> are encoded in IPA area which covers some of the International
> Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) in Unicode [U+250 - U+2AF]. But again these
> symbols are based on Latin script. There is a need to include all
> symbols (like pitch, stress, time, etc.) needed for Indian phonetic
> alphabets because even visual appearance of these symbols are not
> there in Unicode as can be seen in ancient literature. Since it is
> clear that all these symbols cannot be included in current Unicode
> range for Indian script, separate space should be provided for it in
> Unicode.
> 
 There is something in plan ( though not by Unicode )

http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/

Proposals to encode Vedic characters in the UCS

    *
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/devchars.pdf
    *
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/jihvupadh.pdf
    *
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/vedic-accents.pdf
    *
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/Vedic_accents_doc.pdf
    *
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/Vedic_visarga_like_chars.pdf

Does it resolve above said issues ?


Regards,
Karunakar


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Re: [Indic-computing-users] Project -new programming langauge

From: Keyur S. <key...@ya...> - 2003-01-02 07:42:17

--- Guntupalli Karunakar <kar...@fr...> wrote:
> > 
>  There is something in plan ( though not by Unicode )
> 
> http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/vedic/
> 
> Proposals to encode Vedic characters in the UCS

Mr. Michael Everson has been actively doing research on Indic
scripts(particularly Devanagari) since many years and he is one of the
active members of Unicode consortium. I know of such proposal submitted few
year ago. But the task is still pending since inclusion of new characters
in Unicode is a lengthy and complex process. It also needs approval from
government and scholars. For some unknown reason that work slowed down
after introduction of Indic scripts in Unicode. Also, any standard for a
language is an issue under the control of state government. The central
government's task is to co-ordinate activities. Unfortunately, some state
governments (particularly Tamil) in India are unhappy with the current
Unicode/ISCII model, and as a result the entire issue is becoming more
complex :-(

However, our central government is taking right steps in that direction by
once again starting initiatives to resolve pending issues. Let us hope for
the best.

Regards,
Keyur

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