[Hibernate-devel] Re: Hibernate

[Daniel B. <db...@bi...>]

That was quite a large email and after reading a few times have 
extracted what I think is important and want to discuss more. I 
encourage everyone else to do the same.

- Automated tests

Yes they are great ... for things that can be tested. But when you start 
talking about developing GUI tools for Hibernate. How do you test those 
automatically? It's really hard. I'm not saying lets not test them, but 
we need to think about it if we are going to write the tests alongside 
the actual code, as I want to get started quite soon on some of this.

I have seen a project that had automated tests that required the user to 
simply go a view some output. Ok, not very automated, but as good as it 
gets maybe?

- Grouping, sum, count etc?

Just a thought. I actually needed to find out how many objects existed 
(or how many rows in the table to put it crudely). I ended up just doing 
a .size() on the collection results. Is there a better way? Do any other 
OO query langs allow this sort of thing?

- XML data binding

Had a quick talk to Gavin today about this one and I think we both agree 
it's a feature that really needs to be done soon. I think a default 
mapping would be fine to get in there just so it's listed as a feature 
and attracts more ppl to the project. Although Gavin did mention custom 
mappings (and some crazy XSL template inheritence .. what an OO purist). 
I think getting a default mapping out soon would be great!

- Visual mapping (cocoabase)

Any other ppl used these tools? I used Cocoabase once and I seem to 
remember some sort of visual mapping tool. It had potential, but didn't 
really happen. I think something really funky/nice could be done for 
this. In theory, it could really be powerful. Imagine JBuilder and WSAD 
plugins as well!

- MS SQL server and Informix

Indeed! I can get some evaluation versions of these two databases for 
the weekend and have a play. Who knows .. I might even have a dialect by 
next week. Anyone else got immediate access to these products? Get testing!

I've recently been using Hibernate in a small web project to see how 
well it stands up to it's claims of making your development cycle 
smaller/faster etc. And well, it certaintly has!

I hope we can get a bit of activity in this project and more people 
hammering out code.

Daniel