I have been using an original Eudora 7.1.09 for many years and on and
off I think about changing/updating to a newer email client but never
quite got around to it. My email needs are pretty simple but I want
to be able to keep my historic emails and their attachments and am
aware that converting to another client could be difficult and risk
loosing data, especially attachments. Can't quite remember how but I
recently came across Hermesmail which I think was recommended as I am
having SSL issues with my Eudora installation. I have just bought a
new laptop which seemed a good time to make any changes. I was
thinking of converting to Thunderbird or Outlook via whatever means
available or even running two clients, Eudora for the old stuff so I
don't have to risk any conversion, and a new client going forward,
which would be a bit of a pain. It looks like there may be or fairly
soon may be a third way in the form of an updated version of Eudora -
Hermesmail. This sounds great and hopefully would work in Windows 11.
I am current using my unmodified Eudora in Windows 10 and while it
works, there are some glitches. I have found links to downloads for
this alpha version and wonder whether I should wait for the beta
version. I am no IT professional and would be wary of editing
code/registries etc. Is this software something to add to a current
Eudora installation or is it a whole new installation to replace
existing Eudora and then import addresses, mailboxes etc.
Thanks
Peter
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I will start by answering your last question. The Aurora Alpha is strictly something to add to a current Eudora installation. And once you do add it you can switch back and forth between Eudora and Aurora.
Since I am the one working on Aurora, it kind of behooves me to recommend that you stick with Eudora for now and migrate to Aurora later. However I suggest that you not try the alpha. This is partly because I think we have enough alpha testers and partly because you say you are wary of editing registries and such. Please do try the beta when it comes.
Pete Maclean
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I will start by answering your last question. The Aurora Alpha is
strictly something to add to a current Eudora installation. And once you
do add it you can switch back and forth between Eudora and
Aurora.
Since I am the one working on Aurora, it kind of behooves me to recommend
that you stick with Eudora for now and migrate to Aurora later. However I
suggest that you not try the alpha. This is partly because I think we
have enough alpha testers and partly because you say you are wary of
editing registries and such. Please do try the beta when it
comes.
I have completely given up on this Hermes thing after waiting years and years, and even contributing money to their original Kickstarter in 2018 (!). It has been that long! Communication has been non-existent, even to us early contributors.
I had used Eudora since The Beginning of Time, up to 7/Pro. I began having problems, losing entire mailboxes so I "upgraded" to Eudora OSE which was supposed to be the wave of the future. It was not. But I limped along with it for a number of years until Comcast decreed that it was no longer compliant with their security and would no longer work. TLS 1.1 deprecation, I recall was the situation. Since OSE was based on Thunderbird (now ancient version 3), I moved to the then latest version of Thunderbird. It has worked reasonably well for me and not too difficult to get used to. It also looks like Thunderbird will continue to exist.
If Hermes ever sees the light of day (I should live so long), I will at least test it. (I delight in playing with the Registry.) However, I have NO idea if it will be able to import Thunderbird mailboxes and stuff since the formats are different.
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I have completely given up on this Hermes thing after waiting years and years, and even contributing money to their original Kickstarter in 2018 (!). It has been that long! Communication has been non-existent, even to us early contributors.
I had used Eudora since The Beginning of Time, up to 7/Pro. I began having problems, losing entire mailboxes so I "upgraded" to Eudora OSE which was supposed to be the wave of the future. It was not. But I limped along with it for a number of years until Comcast decreed that it was no longer compliant with their security and would no longer work. TLS 1.1 deprecation, I recall was the situation. Since OSE was based on Thunderbird (now ancient version 3), I moved to the then latest version of Thunderbird. It has worked reasonably well for me and not too difficult to get used to. It also looks like Thunderbird will continue to exist.
If Hermes ever sees the light of day (I should live so long), I will at least test it. (I delight in playing with the Registry.) However, I have NO idea if it will be able to import Thunderbird mailboxes and stuff since the formats are different.
HERMES (that's the company, not the product) Aurora (that's the
product) has already been released. If you were a backer, you have an
automatic right to it. Please send me a direct message and I'll send
you a link.
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I'm so sorry, Neal. We're currently on Alpha 26, but I had a database crash and essentially all people's proofs of purchase from 2018 went up in smoke (or so I thought—turns out I had a backup on a drive which doesn't fit my computer).
That's OK. Because of our rapid release schedule towards our backers, we use the Signal messenger to distribute and talk about the software. Anyway, I private-messaged you the link to the group.
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There are no SSL issues with using Stunnel. Gmail gave me the same issues a few years ago, which pushed me to find Stunnel. I've been using it since without issue, with Eudora 7 of course..
Basically:
1. Stunnel sets up a local server.
2. Eudora sends mail to it on your choice of ports.
3. Stunnel passes it to Comcast on its required ports.
4. SSL/TLS is handled by Stunnel, for whatever level you choose.
There's no reason to dump Eudora for Comcast.
I've also installed Hermes and it seem to work fine. I'm waiting for a refined version to handle built-in HTML viewing and UTF-8 better. On the UTF-8 note, this has been largely fixed with Len Shustek's free program here:
I use it daily in filters to do the job. I also run it once a month on all MBX's just to clean up anything that fell through. With only a minor glitch, it has worked well.
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This is for real time use, using TEMP mbx. Edit the bat file and set any parameters as noted.
You can also run the bat file on its own to fix the entire mbx, preferably when the mbx is closed. Finally, close Eudora and run the bat file on all mbx'es. I would make a backup of everything before doing this.
I run Eudora with all it's mbx'es in the Eudora folder, basically a portable installation as I can simply copy the entire folder to another system and have Eudora running perfectly.
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What's this Aurora you speak of? I'd be willing to donate to the Eudora repair/replacement project (show me how, where) to get a reliable something something Eudora.
I've been following along about how tricky the design of Eudora was. It would be fantastic if you wonderful brainiacs just rewrote the whole thing in current coding that looks and feels like the original, but operates in today's standards. (So it wouldn't be such an ordeal to update it as needed, ya know?)
I ran into a new issue today where it just sits there until it replies "Got tired of waiting...". But it's still working on another computer. Meh, I could say more but why bore you nice folks here.
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I have taken on the job of repairing and updating the Eudora source code to create a program that we are calling Aurora. When I started out I considered three possible roads to take. One was to start from scratch and create a Eudora-work-a-like. Two was to take another existing email client and convert and embellish it to become a Eudora for the future. Three was to work on the source code for Eudora. The project is going slowly but well.
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What's this Aurora you speak of? I'd be willing to donate to the Eudora repair/replacement project (show me how, where) to get a reliable something something Eudora.
Honestly, the only issues I think Eudora needed fixing were these:
UTF-8
New viewer, perhaps option to use Chrome, Firefox or Edge engine.
TLS
From a recent email of Nick Werver-Matavka to update paid customers, he noted work on the Mac version as well. I feel this has slowed down progress on Eudora for Windows. Aren't the vast users of Eudora PC users? If so, why also move resources to the Mac???
On another post of YOURS, you note for Aurora "The primary focus at present is getting derived messages (replies, forwards, redirects, etcetera) to work properly.". I'm confused: I have no issues with Eudora and any of these. Have you taken road three as you mention above? If so, I would think there wouldn't be much rework required for these functions that are not an issue in Eudora.
Finally, it would greatly put everyone at ease to list for us which features have been resolved, which remain to be, what features are to be added, etc.
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Why am I working on replies, forwards and redirects for Aurora? The reason is that sometimes when I repair one thing, I unwittingly break another. This is part and parcel of software development especially when one does not have a highly paid QA department to help.
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I hope the work is progressing Pete.
...
From a recent email of Nick Werver-Matavka to update paid customers, he noted work on the Mac version as well. I feel this has slowed down progress on Eudora for Windows. Aren't the vast users of Eudora PC users? If so, why also move resources to the Mac???
Not really. In fact, not at all. Aurora (which is what we named our PC
client, a direct evolution of Eudora) is being developed by Pete. Eos
(our Mac client) is NOT being developed by Pete. Given that Pete has
Aurora development well in hand, I felt that breathing down his neck
was a waste of his patience and my breath. The only one "distracted"
(if you can call it that) is me, and I have other HERMES-related
things on my plate, including getting our Web site back online.
Also, it's worth noting I'm not very distracted from Aurora, either.
This is a temporary thing; once I manage to get someone onto Eos to
get that finished (I did most of the grunt work) I'll be back on the
PC side and breathing down his neck again ;)
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Okay, donation made. Not sure how much as it was in US dollars as opposed to Canadian (the only choice close enough). So I bumped it up to 150.00 CAD which included the tip of 22.00. It kinda suggested that 70 US is 90 CAD, so I should be good.
I do have another question about Aurora. One line states: "...but the fundamental takeaway is that a direct lineal descendant of Eudora 7.1 exists right now. We at Team HERMES are calling it Aurora" but it also states later: It's essential to highlight that Aurora is an original creation, not a child of any other software. So which is it?
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Okay, donation made. Not sure how much as it was in US dollars as opposed to Canadian (the only choice close enough). So I bumped it up to 150.00 CAD which included the tip of 22.00. It kinda suggested that 70 US is 90 CAD, so I should be good.
I do have another question about Aurora. One line states: "...but the fundamental takeaway is that a direct lineal descendant of Eudora 7.1 exists right now. We at Team HERMES are calling it Aurora" but it also states later: It's essential to highlight that Aurora is an original creation, not a child of any other software. So which is it?
That was written by my secretary, who's a bit inexperienced. I don't
disclaim it but do wish to clarify: Aurora is not a fork, in the
sense that, for example, Postbox is (i.e. Mozilla Thunderbird with so
many extensions added that you can't identify the original Thunderbird
underneath unless you know what to look for, then it's blatantly
obvious). It's the original creation of Qualcomm, there was a handover
in development teams, and the name changed. That's it.
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Hi
I have been using an original Eudora 7.1.09 for many years and on and
off I think about changing/updating to a newer email client but never
quite got around to it. My email needs are pretty simple but I want
to be able to keep my historic emails and their attachments and am
aware that converting to another client could be difficult and risk
loosing data, especially attachments. Can't quite remember how but I
recently came across Hermesmail which I think was recommended as I am
having SSL issues with my Eudora installation. I have just bought a
new laptop which seemed a good time to make any changes. I was
thinking of converting to Thunderbird or Outlook via whatever means
available or even running two clients, Eudora for the old stuff so I
don't have to risk any conversion, and a new client going forward,
which would be a bit of a pain. It looks like there may be or fairly
soon may be a third way in the form of an updated version of Eudora -
Hermesmail. This sounds great and hopefully would work in Windows 11.
I am current using my unmodified Eudora in Windows 10 and while it
works, there are some glitches. I have found links to downloads for
this alpha version and wonder whether I should wait for the beta
version. I am no IT professional and would be wary of editing
code/registries etc. Is this software something to add to a current
Eudora installation or is it a whole new installation to replace
existing Eudora and then import addresses, mailboxes etc.
Thanks
Peter
Peter,
I will start by answering your last question. The Aurora Alpha is strictly something to add to a current Eudora installation. And once you do add it you can switch back and forth between Eudora and Aurora.
Since I am the one working on Aurora, it kind of behooves me to recommend that you stick with Eudora for now and migrate to Aurora later. However I suggest that you not try the alpha. This is partly because I think we have enough alpha testers and partly because you say you are wary of editing registries and such. Please do try the beta when it comes.
Pete Maclean
Appreciate the reply
At 07:46 AM 3/12/2023, you wrote:
I have completely given up on this Hermes thing after waiting years and years, and even contributing money to their original Kickstarter in 2018 (!). It has been that long! Communication has been non-existent, even to us early contributors.
I had used Eudora since The Beginning of Time, up to 7/Pro. I began having problems, losing entire mailboxes so I "upgraded" to Eudora OSE which was supposed to be the wave of the future. It was not. But I limped along with it for a number of years until Comcast decreed that it was no longer compliant with their security and would no longer work. TLS 1.1 deprecation, I recall was the situation. Since OSE was based on Thunderbird (now ancient version 3), I moved to the then latest version of Thunderbird. It has worked reasonably well for me and not too difficult to get used to. It also looks like Thunderbird will continue to exist.
If Hermes ever sees the light of day (I should live so long), I will at least test it. (I delight in playing with the Registry.) However, I have NO idea if it will be able to import Thunderbird mailboxes and stuff since the formats are different.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 03:48, Neal tugwit@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
HERMES (that's the company, not the product) Aurora (that's the
product) has already been released. If you were a backer, you have an
automatic right to it. Please send me a direct message and I'll send
you a link.
I'm so sorry, Neal. We're currently on Alpha 26, but I had a database crash and essentially all people's proofs of purchase from 2018 went up in smoke (or so I thought—turns out I had a backup on a drive which doesn't fit my computer).
That's OK. Because of our rapid release schedule towards our backers, we use the Signal messenger to distribute and talk about the software. Anyway, I private-messaged you the link to the group.
There are no SSL issues with using Stunnel. Gmail gave me the same issues a few years ago, which pushed me to find Stunnel. I've been using it since without issue, with Eudora 7 of course..
Basically:
1. Stunnel sets up a local server.
2. Eudora sends mail to it on your choice of ports.
3. Stunnel passes it to Comcast on its required ports.
4. SSL/TLS is handled by Stunnel, for whatever level you choose.
There's no reason to dump Eudora for Comcast.
I've also installed Hermes and it seem to work fine. I'm waiting for a refined version to handle built-in HTML viewing and UTF-8 better. On the UTF-8 note, this has been largely fixed with Len Shustek's free program here:
https://github.com/LenShustek/Eudora_fix_mbx
I use it daily in filters to do the job. I also run it once a month on all MBX's just to clean up anything that fell through. With only a minor glitch, it has worked well.
What is your process to use Len's fix tool with filters?
See here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/discussion/general/thread/16a048c89e/?limit=25#ce72
This is for real time use, using TEMP mbx. Edit the bat file and set any parameters as noted.
You can also run the bat file on its own to fix the entire mbx, preferably when the mbx is closed. Finally, close Eudora and run the bat file on all mbx'es. I would make a backup of everything before doing this.
I run Eudora with all it's mbx'es in the Eudora folder, basically a portable installation as I can simply copy the entire folder to another system and have Eudora running perfectly.
What's this Aurora you speak of? I'd be willing to donate to the Eudora repair/replacement project (show me how, where) to get a reliable something something Eudora.
I've been following along about how tricky the design of Eudora was. It would be fantastic if you wonderful brainiacs just rewrote the whole thing in current coding that looks and feels like the original, but operates in today's standards. (So it wouldn't be such an ordeal to update it as needed, ya know?)
I ran into a new issue today where it just sits there until it replies "Got tired of waiting...". But it's still working on another computer. Meh, I could say more but why bore you nice folks here.
I have taken on the job of repairing and updating the Eudora source code to create a program that we are calling Aurora. When I started out I considered three possible roads to take. One was to start from scratch and create a Eudora-work-a-like. Two was to take another existing email client and convert and embellish it to become a Eudora for the future. Three was to work on the source code for Eudora. The project is going slowly but well.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 21:59, Raymond Storla
stoker@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
https://igg.me/at/hermes80
Sorry for my curtness; travelling.
Should this same link (igg.me/at/hermes80) be at the page https://hermes.cx?
hermes.cx contains an invalid link: https://igg.me/hermes80/
Oops. Fixed.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 2:50 AM E. van Elk evelk@users.sourceforge.net
wrote:
@nmatavka Nice, but there is another (invalid) link at the start of the Eudoramail text:
Purchase it here by sending a "donation" for any amount
Last edit: E. van Elk 2024-11-26
I hope the work is progressing Pete.
Honestly, the only issues I think Eudora needed fixing were these:
From a recent email of Nick Werver-Matavka to update paid customers, he noted work on the Mac version as well. I feel this has slowed down progress on Eudora for Windows. Aren't the vast users of Eudora PC users? If so, why also move resources to the Mac???
On another post of YOURS, you note for Aurora "The primary focus at present is getting derived messages (replies, forwards, redirects, etcetera) to work properly.". I'm confused: I have no issues with Eudora and any of these. Have you taken road three as you mention above? If so, I would think there wouldn't be much rework required for these functions that are not an issue in Eudora.
Finally, it would greatly put everyone at ease to list for us which features have been resolved, which remain to be, what features are to be added, etc.
Why am I working on replies, forwards and redirects for Aurora? The reason is that sometimes when I repair one thing, I unwittingly break another. This is part and parcel of software development especially when one does not have a highly paid QA department to help.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 01:14, Arthur-Boston
art-boston@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
Not really. In fact, not at all. Aurora (which is what we named our PC
client, a direct evolution of Eudora) is being developed by Pete. Eos
(our Mac client) is NOT being developed by Pete. Given that Pete has
Aurora development well in hand, I felt that breathing down his neck
was a waste of his patience and my breath. The only one "distracted"
(if you can call it that) is me, and I have other HERMES-related
things on my plate, including getting our Web site back online.
Also, it's worth noting I'm not very distracted from Aurora, either.
This is a temporary thing; once I manage to get someone onto Eos to
get that finished (I did most of the grunt work) I'll be back on the
PC side and breathing down his neck again ;)
Okay, donation made. Not sure how much as it was in US dollars as opposed to Canadian (the only choice close enough). So I bumped it up to 150.00 CAD which included the tip of 22.00. It kinda suggested that 70 US is 90 CAD, so I should be good.
I do have another question about Aurora. One line states: "...but the fundamental takeaway is that a direct lineal descendant of Eudora 7.1 exists right now. We at Team HERMES are calling it Aurora" but it also states later: It's essential to highlight that Aurora is an original creation, not a child of any other software. So which is it?
I am unable to answer this. I certainly had no part in writing the second thing you cite. Maybe someone else can.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 14:06, Raymond Storla
stoker@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
That was written by my secretary, who's a bit inexperienced. I don't
disclaim it but do wish to clarify: Aurora is not a fork, in the
sense that, for example, Postbox is (i.e. Mozilla Thunderbird with so
many extensions added that you can't identify the original Thunderbird
underneath unless you know what to look for, then it's blatantly
obvious). It's the original creation of Qualcomm, there was a handover
in development teams, and the name changed. That's it.