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[gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Arthur W. <ar...@gm...> - 2005-03-18 14:41:57

Hey everyone, 

Is any development actually going on in this project?
Will GTK 2 ever be supported?

The GTK-Quartz project is dead.
The GTK-Cocoa project looks dead as well.

This project as the most recent activity that I can see. (On mailing lists)
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Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Asko K. <ask...@sc...> - 2005-03-18 19:48:01

I have offered to give scripting support (Lua bindings) for an OS X 
GTK+ implementation.  Have the same dilemma as you - it seems there's 
no project taking the challenge right now.  My bet is on the Cairo 
backend to provide new life to this (avoiding the need to make X11 
emulating code).

So.. that's all I can offer.

-ak


18.3.2005 kello 16:41, Arthur Wiebe kirjoitti:

  Hey everyone,
>
> Is any development actually going on in this project?
> Will GTK 2 ever be supported?
>
> The GTK-Quartz project is dead.
> The GTK-Cocoa project looks dead as well.
>
> This project as the most recent activity that I can see. (On mailing 
> lists)
> -- 
> <Arthur/>
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Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Arthur W. <ar...@gm...> - 2005-03-18 20:18:30

That's sort of what I expected. What we need is someone who has good
leading skills to get a group of developers together and get an OS X
port in little time.
GTK+ is getting to be more popular all the time, and for good reason.
I'm sure there are more people who would rather not run X11 under Mac
OS X all the time.

Cairo is getting to be pretty good. It is now used my Mozilla for
cross platform SVG rendering and works just fine on my Mac.

(Me thinks to myself it's time to learn some C, and friends so I can help)
I only know Python and PHP. GTK+ on OS X would let me write better GUI
applications through PHP-GTK and pyGTK.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:47:53 +0200, Asko Kauppi <ask...@sc...> wrote:
> 
> I have offered to give scripting support (Lua bindings) for an OS X
> GTK+ implementation.  Have the same dilemma as you - it seems there's
> no project taking the challenge right now.  My bet is on the Cairo
> backend to provide new life to this (avoiding the need to make X11
> emulating code).
> 
> So.. that's all I can offer.
> 
> -ak
> 
> 18.3.2005 kello 16:41, Arthur Wiebe kirjoitti:
> 
>   Hey everyone,
> >
> > Is any development actually going on in this project?
> > Will GTK 2 ever be supported?
> >
> > The GTK-Quartz project is dead.
> > The GTK-Cocoa project looks dead as well.
> >
> > This project as the most recent activity that I can see. (On mailing
> > lists)
> > --
> > <Arthur/>
> >
> >
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Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Bob I. <bo...@re...> - 2005-03-18 20:25:13

On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:18, Arthur Wiebe wrote:

> That's sort of what I expected. What we need is someone who has good
> leading skills to get a group of developers together and get an OS X
> port in little time.
> GTK+ is getting to be more popular all the time, and for good reason.
> I'm sure there are more people who would rather not run X11 under Mac
> OS X all the time.
>
> Cairo is getting to be pretty good. It is now used my Mozilla for
> cross platform SVG rendering and works just fine on my Mac.
>
> (Me thinks to myself it's time to learn some C, and friends so I can 
> help)
> I only know Python and PHP. GTK+ on OS X would let me write better GUI
> applications through PHP-GTK and pyGTK.

There are plenty of better alternatives for GUI development on OS X.  
PyObjC, wxPython, etc.  For new code, it doesn't really make sense to 
go through all the trouble of trying to make GTK do something that it 
doesn't.

-bob

Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Arthur W. <ar...@gm...> - 2005-03-18 20:47:06

Hey Bob, I was more into porting current applications using GTK to OS
X. Unless there were some really good advantages, I wouldn't write a
new app using GTK or pyGTK unless there were some big advantages. But
it's easier to port GTK to OS X than port each individual GTK app to a
different toolkit.

And I have tried PyObjC but use wxPython instead because it's cross
platform while PyObjC is OS X only.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:25:08 -0500, Bob Ippolito <bo...@re...> wrote:
> 
> On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:18, Arthur Wiebe wrote:
> 
> > That's sort of what I expected. What we need is someone who has good
> > leading skills to get a group of developers together and get an OS X
> > port in little time.
> > GTK+ is getting to be more popular all the time, and for good reason.
> > I'm sure there are more people who would rather not run X11 under Mac
> > OS X all the time.
> >
> > Cairo is getting to be pretty good. It is now used my Mozilla for
> > cross platform SVG rendering and works just fine on my Mac.
> >
> > (Me thinks to myself it's time to learn some C, and friends so I can
> > help)
> > I only know Python and PHP. GTK+ on OS X would let me write better GUI
> > applications through PHP-GTK and pyGTK.
> 
> There are plenty of better alternatives for GUI development on OS X.
> PyObjC, wxPython, etc.  For new code, it doesn't really make sense to
> go through all the trouble of trying to make GTK do something that it
> doesn't.
> 
> -bob
> 
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Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Bob I. <bo...@re...> - 2005-03-18 20:58:50

On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:47, Arthur Wiebe wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:25:08 -0500, Bob Ippolito <bo...@re...> 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:18, Arthur Wiebe wrote:
>>
>>> That's sort of what I expected. What we need is someone who has good
>>> leading skills to get a group of developers together and get an OS X
>>> port in little time.
>>> GTK+ is getting to be more popular all the time, and for good reason.
>>> I'm sure there are more people who would rather not run X11 under Mac
>>> OS X all the time.
>>>
>>> Cairo is getting to be pretty good. It is now used my Mozilla for
>>> cross platform SVG rendering and works just fine on my Mac.
>>>
>>> (Me thinks to myself it's time to learn some C, and friends so I can
>>> help)
>>> I only know Python and PHP. GTK+ on OS X would let me write better 
>>> GUI
>>> applications through PHP-GTK and pyGTK.
>>
>> There are plenty of better alternatives for GUI development on OS X.
>> PyObjC, wxPython, etc.  For new code, it doesn't really make sense to
>> go through all the trouble of trying to make GTK do something that it
>> doesn't.
>>
> Hey Bob, I was more into porting current applications using GTK to OS
> X. Unless there were some really good advantages, I wouldn't write a
> new app using GTK or pyGTK unless there were some big advantages. But
> it's easier to port GTK to OS X than port each individual GTK app to a
> different toolkit.

Well, you said "write better applications", not "port existing 
applications"  :)

> And I have tried PyObjC but use wxPython instead because it's cross
> platform while PyObjC is OS X only.

Well, I'm biased, I'm a developer on the PyObjC project.  I do use 
wxPython when I do need to target other platforms with a single code 
base.

-bob

Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Arthur W. <ar...@gm...> - 2005-03-18 21:09:57

OK, so that explains it :)

Well to tell you the truth I would write GTK apps using PHP and Python
simply because I can. They probably wouldn't be better though but you
never know.

The major reason for a GTK+ OS X port like I said would be for
porting. I tried converting BitTorrent 4.0.0 which has switched to
pyGTK, to wxPython but decided in the end it was easier to write a new
GUI.
Such is life.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:58:45 -0500, Bob Ippolito <bo...@re...> wrote:
> 
> On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:47, Arthur Wiebe wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:25:08 -0500, Bob Ippolito <bo...@re...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mar 18, 2005, at 15:18, Arthur Wiebe wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's sort of what I expected. What we need is someone who has good
> >>> leading skills to get a group of developers together and get an OS X
> >>> port in little time.
> >>> GTK+ is getting to be more popular all the time, and for good reason.
> >>> I'm sure there are more people who would rather not run X11 under Mac
> >>> OS X all the time.
> >>>
> >>> Cairo is getting to be pretty good. It is now used my Mozilla for
> >>> cross platform SVG rendering and works just fine on my Mac.
> >>>
> >>> (Me thinks to myself it's time to learn some C, and friends so I can
> >>> help)
> >>> I only know Python and PHP. GTK+ on OS X would let me write better
> >>> GUI
> >>> applications through PHP-GTK and pyGTK.
> >>
> >> There are plenty of better alternatives for GUI development on OS X.
> >> PyObjC, wxPython, etc.  For new code, it doesn't really make sense to
> >> go through all the trouble of trying to make GTK do something that it
> >> doesn't.
> >>
> > Hey Bob, I was more into porting current applications using GTK to OS
> > X. Unless there were some really good advantages, I wouldn't write a
> > new app using GTK or pyGTK unless there were some big advantages. But
> > it's easier to port GTK to OS X than port each individual GTK app to a
> > different toolkit.
> 
> Well, you said "write better applications", not "port existing
> applications"  :)
> 
> > And I have tried PyObjC but use wxPython instead because it's cross
> > platform while PyObjC is OS X only.
> 
> Well, I'm biased, I'm a developer on the PyObjC project.  I do use
> wxPython when I do need to target other platforms with a single code
> base.
> 
> -bob
> 
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Re: [gtk+osx] About GTK-OSX Status

From: Robin R. <ro...@Mo...> - 2005-03-19 05:56:37

Arthur,

> Is any development actually going on in this project?

Yes, although slowly. Andy and I are kept busy on other projects (FCP and 
CinePaint respectively). I hope I'll be able to find more time soon. Many 
people volunteer to help us with GTK+OSX, and help is appreaciated when we 
get it.

> Will GTK 2 ever be supported?

The GTK2 project is very active. However, they have nobody working on a Mac 
port. Supporting GTK2 would be beyond our mandate. Work on GTK2 is best done 
at gtk.org against the official GTK2 CVS.

The purpose of GTK+OSX, and the reason we're here as an independent project 
from gtk.org, is to complete the orphaned GTK1 port of the Mac. We don't 
have the bandwidth to undertake that.

> The GTK-Quartz project is dead.
> The GTK-Cocoa project looks dead as well.
>
> This project as the most recent activity that I can see. (On mailing 
> lists)

This is the only GTK Mac port that's alive.

Robin
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