[gst-devel] Daily IRC logs

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[06:55] <ajmitch> hi
[07:14] Nick change: WildFox- -> Wild|AWAY
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[11:48] <sienap> hi all :)
[11:48] <sienap> someone awake ?
[11:48] <wtay> hi sienap
[11:48] <sienap> wtay!!
[11:48] <sienap> how is stuff ?
[11:49] <wtay> power outages here at 7.30 had to fsck my disks :(
[11:49] <sienap> :((
[11:49] <sienap> no loses?
[11:49] <wtay> my GF's one was acting very weird...
[11:49] <sienap> =3D[
[11:50] <wtay> had to run fsck manually
[11:50] <wtay> I pressed 'y' to all questions and it still booted :)
[11:51] <sienap> :)
[11:51] <sienap> he
[11:51] <sienap> weil
[11:51] <sienap> :)
[11:51] <sienap> ik den kdat we wel nederlands kunnen praten nu :)
[11:51] <sienap> ik ben bezig met stuff voor een ansi demo
[11:51] <wtay> w'sup with you?
[11:51] <sienap> voor takeover ;)
[11:51] <wtay> eh?
[11:52] <wtay> wa's da?
[11:52] <sienap> je weet toch wel wat demo's zijn ?
[11:52] <sienap> weet wel coole effecten enzo
[11:52] <sienap> om mee te patsen :)
[11:52] <sienap> op demo parties
[11:52] <sienap> en geld te innen
[11:52] <sienap> als je wint >:)
[11:52] <wtay> oh ja die dinges waar ik er 30+ van gemaakt heb :)
[11:52] <wtay> 40+
[11:52] <sienap> mwha dit he :)
[11:52] <sienap> mwha guess so :)
[11:52] <sienap> wij zijn er een in ansi aanut maken :)
[11:52] <sienap> gister de ansi plasma gefixt ;)
[11:52] <sienap> nu met nice flash effectje bezig :)
[11:52] <wtay> asci art?
[11:52] <sienap> straks flame maken
[11:53] <sienap> mwha demos zijn normaal in svga mode :)
[11:53] <sienap> ofzo
[11:53] <wtay> ok
[11:53] <sienap> wij doen hem in 80x25x15
[11:53] <sienap> :)
[11:53] <sienap> aka textmode
[11:53] <wtay> heh
[11:53] <sienap> je kent plasma effect neem ik aan wel ?
[11:53] <wtay> yup
[11:53] <sienap> mwha ik hebber een gemaakt in textmode gister >:)
[11:53] <sienap> *TROTS*
[11:53] <wtay> cool
[11:53] <wtay> color cycling?
[11:53] <sienap> he natuurlijk niet :)
[11:53] <sienap> real time :)
[11:54] <sienap> uit een cosine table
[11:54] <wtay> cool
[11:54] <sienap> static gaat niet in textmode ;)
[11:54] <sienap> je kunt je palet zo lastig aanpassen >:)
[11:54] <wtay> hehe ja
[11:54] <sienap> mwha maat van me is bezig met 3d engine in ansi :)
[11:54] <sienap> en tja :)
[11:54] <sienap> het wordt een vette demo
[11:54] <sienap> maar het is voor de gein enzo :)
[11:55] <wtay> tof
[11:55] <sienap> we weten niet eens of er wel een linux compo is :)
[11:55] <sienap> je zietum wel alsie wat meer af is :)
[11:55] <sienap> ben nu nog afzonderlijk effectjes aanut uitvogelen :)
[11:56] <wtay> ik ga nog wat foefelen aan de videosink en capsnego...
[11:56] <sienap> he :)
[11:56] <sienap> waarom moet video sink eigenlijk caps nego hebben ?
[11:57] <wtay> zodat ie zich kan aanpassen voor Xv or gewone X
[11:58] <sienap> he
[11:58] <sienap> ic
[11:58] <wtay> ook alle plugins die verschillende formaten aankunnen moet=
 negotieren met hun peers
[11:59] <sienap> ic
[11:59] <wtay> ben wel tevreden nu... tamelijk..
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[12:00] <wtay> yo
[12:00] <sienap> he toffe stuff :)
[12:00] <sienap> ah hi holger
[12:00] <holger> HI !
[12:00] <sienap> wtay time to disable rot13 mode :)
[12:01] <sienap> maarja
[12:01] <sienap> flash effect af :)
[12:01] <wtay> heh
[12:01] <sienap> zo eens tutorials over flame effect gaan lezen :)
[12:06] <sienap> maarja
[12:06] <sienap> jij vroeger demo's gemaakt dus ? :)
[12:06] <sienap> noem eens cool effect wat er ZEKER in moet :)
[12:08] <sienap> hmms
[12:08] <sienap> jij vandaag vrij ?
[12:09] <wtay> yup
[12:09] <wtay> mijn demo's waren op C64... lang voordat er PC's bestonden=
...
[12:10] <sienap> he
[12:10] <sienap> jij c64 scener geweest
[12:10] <sienap> wat cool ;)
[12:10] <sienap> wellse van "TIC" gehoord ?
[12:11] <wtay> nope
[12:12] <sienap> he
[12:12] <sienap> shit happens ;)
[12:12] <sienap> was een groep=20
[12:12] <wtay> ok
[12:12] <sienap> die zijn nu ook allemaal oud
[12:12] <sienap> maar ken er paar  van :)
[12:13] <wtay> hehe, "ook oud" <g>
[12:13] <sienap> he
[12:13] <sienap> ik bedoel ouder :)
[12:13] <sienap> eentje heeft al partij kinderen :)
[12:13] <sienap> andere is vaag ;)
[12:13] <sienap> zijn broers trouwens
[12:14] <wtay> doh
[12:15] <wtay> NFC, F4CG, WOW?
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[12:18] <sienap> mwha ik ken het allemaal niet joh
[12:18] <sienap> toe nwas ik nog 4 ofzo :0
[12:18] <sienap> kommop hej
[12:18] <sienap> toen code ik nog niet :)
[12:18] <wtay> hehe
[12:18] <wtay> 4 jaar hehe
[12:23] <wtay> sienap: onze vriend Njaard is hier geweest...
[12:23] <sienap> wie is njaard ?
[12:23] <wtay> sienap: de aRts man and noatum etc..
[12:24] <sienap> he
[12:24] <wtay> een echte lul, ben je op -devel?
[12:24] <sienap> van gstreamer
[12:24] <sienap> ja ?
[12:24] <sienap> maar ik lees niet alles
[12:24] <sienap> kun je me pointen naar het mailtje :)
[12:24] <sienap> ik zit tegenwoordig op teveel mailinglisten
[12:24] <sienap> moet er eens wat aan doen
[12:24] <sienap> mwha alle kde mensen zijn op een of andere manier stinke=
nde extremisten
[12:25] <wtay> in de IRC logs vanaf 22.15 you
[12:25] <sienap> he damn kun je me die dcc senden ?
[12:25] <sienap> m'n mailbox is 11k mailtjes
[12:25] <sienap> dat vind ik neit meer terug
[12:25] <wtay> heh
[12:25] <wtay> sec...
[12:25] <sienap> :)
[12:25] <sienap> okie
[12:25] <sienap> thanks
[12:26] <sienap> =F9=ED=F9 DCC Unable to create connection: Connection re=
fused
[12:26] <sienap> mail maar
[12:26] <sienap> sy...@th...
[12:26] <wtay> okie
[12:26] <sienap> ik ffkse iets eten paken
[12:27] <wtay> gezonden..
[12:28] <sienap> back
[12:28] <sienap> he
[12:28] <sienap> verzonden :)
[12:28] <sienap> *G*
[12:28] <sienap> ooh
[12:28] <sienap> waar ook
[12:29] <sienap> mail server dood
[12:29] <sienap> aARGGH
[12:29] <wtay> hum
[12:29] <sienap> mwha
[12:29] <sienap> sourceforge heeft mail archive he ?
[12:29] <wtay> yup
[12:29] <sienap> als je eens mee helpt met zoeken daaro ;)
[12:30] <wtay> http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/1504/0/54660=
88/
[12:30] <wtay> om 22.15
[12:31] <sienap> he dat doe je rap :)
[12:31] <sienap> mom=20
[12:31] <sienap> ffse loeren
[12:33] <sienap> hej dobey was here?
[12:33] <sienap> did he show any intrest
[12:33] <sienap> i know dobey from irc as well
[12:33] <wtay> no interest, he didn't even listem IMO
[12:35] <sienap> arts en design
[12:35] <sienap> arts is geen sound server man
[12:35] <sienap> maar synthiserzer
[12:35] <sienap> stomme kders ook
[12:35] <sienap> he :)
[12:36] <wtay> hmm ja
[12:36] <wtay> ook de Rt in de naam is nogal stom
[12:36] <sienap> waarom ?
[12:36] <wtay> 't is niet omdat er Rt instaat dat het daarom ook Real Tim=
e *is*
[12:36] <sienap> mwha aRts zuigt joh
[12:37] <sienap> een soundserver moet mixen
[12:37] <sienap> en meer niet
[12:37] <sienap> gstreamer is ook geen sound server :)
[12:38] <wtay> met zo'n attitude zal die gast zijn spul nooit in GNOME kr=
ijgen
[12:38] <sienap> mwha het blijkt dat gnome aRts toch wil gaan usen
[12:38] <sienap> zou niet mooi zijn
[12:38] <sienap> want volgens mij issut bloated stinkware
[12:38] <sienap> ik snap het probleem niet met audio servers
[12:38] <sienap> :)
[12:38] <sienap> mwha maarja
[12:39] <sienap> i still vote for mixing in the kernel :)
[12:39] <sienap> ben je in een klap van allut gezeik af
[12:39] <sienap> en dan werkt ook ALLES
[12:39] <wtay> hmm
[12:39] <sienap> en de klote spoorwegen staken hier volgens mij
[12:39] <wtay> ik ga voor de leut eens een aRts plugin voor gstreamer sch=
rijven
[12:39] <sienap> anders haddik nog kunnen denken om even bij die presenta=
tie van erik langs te gaan
[12:39] <sienap> in den haag
[12:40] <sienap> wtay he why not :)
[12:40] <wtay> oh ja deze avaond
[12:40] <sienap> mischien kun je ook hun elementjes wel wrapper
[12:40] <wtay> xmms was belachelijk simpel
[12:40] <sienap> lol ;)
[12:40] <wtay> sienap: inderdaad
[12:40] <sienap> heb je output plugin voor xmms ?
[12:40] <sienap> he
[12:40] <sienap> zou die naarjd leuk vinden
[12:40] <sienap> hej njaard
[12:40] <sienap> ehm we.. now support aRts ..
[12:41] <sienap> we use your elements in our pipelien
[12:42] <wtay> hehe
[12:42] <wtay> dat is het idee
[12:42] <wtay> laat hem dan maar eens een aRts plugin schrijven dir gst w=
rapt
[12:42] <sienap> >:)
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[12:42] <sienap> lol
[12:42] <sienap> wtay ik mag jou altitude wel :)
[12:42] <sienap> hej holger :)
[12:43] <sienap> dus je gaat arts wrappen / plugin voor maken ?
[12:43] <sienap> trouwens welles aan xmms input plugin gedacht (zovan gst=
reamer IN xmms) ?
[12:43] <wtay> hmm nog niet
[12:43] <sienap> he
[12:43] <sienap> *hint*
[12:44] <sienap> maar waneer ga je die arts wrapper maken
[12:44] <wtay> ik ben niet echt van plan om code the contributen aan xmms
[12:44] <sienap> he >:)
[12:44] <wtay> de aRts plugin.. deze of volgende week...
[12:44] <sienap> cewl
[12:44] <sienap> ook meteen wrapper voor hun stink elementen ?
[12:45] <wtay> sienap: nog niet zeker wat ik ga doen
[12:45] <sienap> he
[12:45] <sienap> okie :)
[12:45] <sienap> zou wel erg stijlvol zijn :)
[12:45] <wtay> misschien meer high level..
[12:46] <sienap> hoe bedoel je ?
[12:46] <wtay> zo van: aRts pipeline =3D=3D gstreamer plugin
[12:46] <sienap> core stuff ?
[12:46] <sienap> HAHA :)
[12:46] <wtay> niet echt de individuele elements
[12:46] <wtay> zoals de overflow gast
[12:47] <sienap> wat is overflow gast aanut doen dan ?
[12:47] <wtay> kweenie
[12:48] <sienap> he
[12:48] <sienap> er was trouwens ook een gozer
[12:48] <sienap> die met gstmixer bezig wasd
[12:48] <sienap> nog wat van gehoord ?
[12:49] <wtay> nee
[12:50] <sienap> he
[12:50] <sienap> mwha ach
[12:50] <sienap> ik kan weinig docs over flame effect vinden
[12:50] <sienap> en geen idee hoe ze dat uitrekenen
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[12:54] <ajmitch> hi
[12:54] <sienap> hej ajmitch
[12:54] <sienap> ooh xflame..
[12:54] <sienap> daar kan ik wel naar loeren
[12:54] <sienap> :)
[12:54] <ajmitch> hi sienap
[12:54] <wtay> hi ajmitch
[12:54] <ajmitch> hehe, just been at LUG meeting, won a Caldera tshirt ;)
[12:55] <sienap> ooh jeeeh ;)
[12:55] <ajmitch> and the ppl there know that i am a debian fan ;)
[12:55] <wtay> ajmitch: oh cool
[12:55] <wtay> ajmitch: why did you win it?
[12:56] <wtay> ajmitch: a bit of paint can solve that <g>
[12:56] <sienap> *G*
[12:56] <sienap> heheeh
[12:56] <ajmitch> wtay: lol
[12:56] <wtay> ajmitch: draw a red cross over it :-)
[12:56] <sienap> downloading xscreensaver :)
[12:56] <sienap> for the xflame source
[12:57] <sienap> or that red circle thingy >:)
[12:57] <ajmitch> wtay: every member put their nametag (a debian 1.3.1 cd=
) in a bag, 2 tags were drawn out
[12:57] <ajmitch> wtay: the LUG has only just started, last month there w=
ere 6 ppl, this month there were about 20
[12:57] <wtay> ajmitch: wow
[12:57] <sienap> =3D]]]
[12:57] <sienap> cool
[12:59] <sienap> hmm i need somethnig that is able to scan if there is an=
 character on a certain place on the screen
[12:59] <sienap> hmm
[12:59] <sienap> for a fade thingy
[13:05] <ajmitch> wtay: committed any cool new stuff today?
[13:05] <wtay> ajmitch: nope
[13:05] <wtay> ajmitch: reworking all plugins for capsnego
[13:06] <sienap> he
[13:06] <sienap> howlong is that going to take to be finished ?
[13:06] <sienap> hmm
[13:06] <sienap> need to shit
[13:06] <sienap> brb :)
[13:06] <wtay> sienap: today or tomorrow
[13:07] <ajmitch> wtay: oh, cool
[13:07] <ajmitch> wtay: big task?
[13:07] <wtay> ajmitch: a bit
[13:07] <wtay> ajmitch: DivX is the hardest one
[13:07] <wtay> ajmitch: I'm not going to do the videoscalers yet
[13:08] <ajmitch> ok
[13:10] <wtay> ajmitch: the nice part is that the videosink can opne an n=
ew X connection so threading issues in bonobo should go away
[13:11] <ajmitch> wtay: that could be useful...
[13:12] <wtay> yeah, gdk is quite stupid there, only one X connection AFA=
ICT
[13:13] <sienap> back
[13:14] <sienap> he
[13:14] <sienap> soon glib2.0 is going to be released
[13:14] <sienap> that will be a big task ;)
[13:15] <ajmitch> yeah
[13:15] <sienap> he allthough :)
[13:15] <sienap> i can't wait till mrrazz mad coding skills produce a fbs=
ink :)
[13:15] <sienap> and a svgalibsink
[13:15] <sienap> >:)
[13:16] <ajmitch> hmm, fbsink would be slow
[13:16] <ajmitch> not sure how it would compare to X
[13:16] <ajmitch> would depend on graphics card i guess
[13:17] <sienap> he
[13:21] <sienap> hej wtay
[13:21] <sienap> how do you spell "tuturial"
[13:22] <ajmitch> tutorial
[13:22] <sienap> he
[13:22] <sienap> ok
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[13:24] <sienap> wtay!
[13:24] <sienap> hmm YEAH fractals we need :)
[13:25] <ajmitch> hey?
[13:33] Nick change: sienap -> codenap
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[13:35] <zaheer> yo'
[13:35] <wtay> hi zaheer
[13:35] <zaheer> hi wtay
[13:35] <wtay> discussed anything interesting in A'dam?
[13:35] Action: zaheer is exhausted :)
[13:35] <codenap> he
[13:35] <codenap> yeah tell me about the adam meeting :)
[13:35] <zaheer> yah we discussed quite a few things
[13:35] <codenap> me us
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[13:36] <codenap> he cool
[13:36] <codenap> tell tell
[13:36] <zaheer> we had lunch at a nice italian restaurant and dinner at =
a nice indian restaurant
[13:36] <wtay> zaheer: was it good?
[13:36] <zaheer> and while eating and in between
[13:36] <ajmitch_> damned isp
[13:36] <ajmitch_> hi zaheer
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[13:37] <zaheer> we were talking about having pluggable schedulers
[13:37] <wtay> zaheer: ok, similar to the autoplugger IMO
[13:37] <wtay> zaheer: the API is the hard part
[13:37] <zaheer> well, not really
[13:37] <zaheer> the app would choose which scheduler
[13:37] <wtay> zaheer: how do you define the entry points for a scheduler.
[13:38] <wtay> entry points =3D generic scheduling interface
[13:38] <zaheer> well erik is gonna work on a schedular base class
[13:38] <zaheer> hopefully
[13:38] <wtay> zaheer: cool
[13:38] <wtay> zaheer: hopefully?
[13:39] <zaheer> its one of the things on the todo list of what we discus=
sed
[13:39] <wtay> what else?
[13:40] <zaheer> also discussed the need for the app to be able to "see" =
stream properties between elements
[13:40] <wtay> zaheer: yup
[13:40] <wtay> and a way to influence capsnego
[13:40] <zaheer> and change the pipeline if necessary
[13:41] <wtay> does Erik understand the current capsnego algo's?
[13:42] <wtay> I mean, has he had time to look at it?
[13:43] <zaheer> he hasnt yet
[13:43] <zaheer> but i told him its very easy :)
[13:43] <wtay> :-)
[13:46] <codenap> he
[13:46] <codenap> this isc ool
[13:46] <codenap> i am really on the way to get a flame effect in textmod=
e ;)
[13:46] <wtay> zaheer: enything he is not happy with and would like to se=
e changed soon?
[13:47] <zaheer> i have done a mulaw encoder plugin using caps nego at mo
[13:47] <zaheer> i am about to test it...
[13:47] <wtay> zaheer: cool, still no problems with capsnego?
[13:47] <zaheer> steveb did a mono2stereo with caps nego plugin on saturd=
ay
[13:47] <zaheer> and modified the helloworld to use mono2stereo after ste=
reo2mono :)
[13:48] <zaheer> and it worked in amsterdam :)
[13:48] <wtay> cool :)
[13:48] <zaheer> we were talking about the new cool feature in gstreamer,=
 a command line based mp3 player that plays all stereo mp3's in mono :)
[13:49] <wtay> ooohh *the* killer app for sure <g>
[13:49] <zaheer> yah well noone's done that be4 :P
[13:50] <wtay> zaheer: the aRts guy was here yesterday
[13:50] <wtay> Njaard
[13:50] <zaheer> ah cool
[13:50] <wtay> not really
[13:50] <zaheer> i was playing 36 holes of golf yesterday
[13:50] <wtay> read the IRC logs starting from 22.15
[13:51] <zaheer> was he flaming gstreamer?
[13:51] <wtay> sure
[13:51] Action: zaheer goes to his email
[13:55] <zaheer> im going for lunch
[13:55] <zaheer> but so far it sounds interesting :)
[13:56] <zaheer> arguments galore! :P
[13:56] <ajmitch> hehe
[13:57] <wtay> zaheer: very diplomatic indeed :)
[13:58] <ajmitch> gez, dobey was as bad as Njaard
[13:58] <wtay> ajmitch: yup, I almost kicked him
[13:58] <ajmitch> Njaard was *very* restrained by his standards
[14:02] <codenap> he
[14:02] <codenap> i hope he reads the irc logs >:)
[14:02] <wtay> I'm sure he doesn't
[14:02] <codenap> >:)
[14:05] <ajmitch> why is dobey so against kde & c++, and anything like th=
at? almost like Njaard with C, GNOME, etc ;)
[14:05] <wtay> ajmitch: ask him :)
[14:06] <codenap> dobey is extreme
[14:06] <codenap> :)
[14:06] <codenap> he also hate galeon
[14:06] <codenap> for some reason
[14:06] <codenap> :)
[14:06] <codenap> think it is because there browser is better then his en=
compass >:)
[14:08] <ajmitch> hehe
[14:09] <ajmitch> what does dobey work on?
[14:11] <codenap> encompass
[14:11] <codenap> and he is packager at ximian
[14:11] <codenap> if i am not wrong
[14:11] <ajmitch> oh, ok
[14:12] <ajmitch> i don't see anything wrong with KDE, really, nor GNOME.=
 pity we have these extremists who believe that the other is pure evil
[14:13] <codenap> jap
[14:13] <ajmitch> like my main web browser is konqueror because mozilla i=
s damned slow ;)
[14:14] <ajmitch> even with mor ram mozilla (0.8) is still slower
[14:15] Action: ajmitch doesn't need any more ram just yet...
[14:15] <codenap> use galeon
[14:15] <codenap> it is great
[14:16] <ajmitch> hmm, is it in sid? ;)
[14:16] <codenap> he ?
[14:16] <codenap> galeon.sourceforge.net
[14:16] <ajmitch> debian unstable
[14:16] <codenap> ooh
[14:16] <codenap> :)
[14:16] <codenap> i don't know
[14:16] <ajmitch> i've used galeon before, back when it was fairly new
[14:17] <codenap> he
[14:17] <codenap> atm
[14:17] <codenap> it is SUPERRRRRRB
[14:18] <ajmitch> i shoudl try it...
[14:19] <codenap> he
[14:19] <codenap> indeed
[14:21] <ajmitch> gnome 1.4 should be out soon, i think i'm running all t=
he stuff from gnome 1.4RC1 anyway
[14:23] <codenap> he
[14:23] <codenap> okie
[14:23] <codenap> hmm
[14:27] <wtay> sorry was away...
[14:27] <ajmitch> hehe
[14:27] <codenap> hmm bah
[14:27] <codenap> this pixel routine doesn't work in tweaked mode
[14:27] Action: ajmitch should sleep now
[14:28] Nick change: ajmitch -> aj_zzzz
[14:28] <aj_zzzz> night all
[14:28] <codenap> i think
[14:28] <codenap> he
[14:28] <codenap> let's see ;)
[14:28] <wtay> aj_zzzz: try galeon I use it all the time
[14:28] <wtay> aj_zzzz: very good IMO
[14:39] <codenap> he
[14:39] <codenap> cute ;)
[14:39] <codenap> i almost have a grapical version working with a tweaked=
 mode off 23*79
[14:39] <codenap> :)
[14:39] <codenap> if that is finished it takes 5 mins to port it to textm=
ode
[14:40] <wtay> cool
[14:41] <codenap> he i've got some issues that only count for this grapic=
al mode
[14:41] <codenap> in text it will work
[14:41] <codenap> but i first want this too work
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[14:48] <wtay> yo
[14:48] <Uraeus> hello
[14:48] <Uraeus> wtay: home early today?
[14:48] <wtay> Uraeus: vacation
[14:48] <wtay> I woke up early :)
[14:48] Action: Uraeus wishes he was on vacation
[14:49] <zaheer> back
[14:49] <Uraeus> hi zaheer
[14:51] <zaheer> yo uraeus
[14:51] Nick change: Wild|AWAY -> WildFox
[14:51] <zaheer> i have confirmed my flights to copenhagen
[14:51] <wtay> zaheer: cool!
[14:51] <WildFox> hi
[14:51] <zaheer> now i need to get the hotel sorted
[14:51] <Uraeus> hi wildfox
[14:51] <WildFox> hi wtay Uraeus zaheer
[14:52] <zaheer> hiya wildfox
[14:52] <wtay> hi WildFox
[14:53] <zaheer> <Njaard> vektor: I hate anything with a G
[14:53] <Uraeus> WildFox: kde-multimedia isn't exactly positive reading f=
rom a GStreamer perspective :)
[14:53] <zaheer> thats discrimination against alphabetical notations :)
[14:54] <WildFox> yep
[14:54] <zaheer> <Njaard> vektor: I was kidding about the G, actually ;)
[14:54] <WildFox> Njaard is kind of stupid if it is a GNOME aspect .)
[14:54] <zaheer> thats just having a laugh :)
[14:56] <wtay> But well, it's up to whoever writes the code to choose wha=
t to do ;)
[14:56] <wtay>    Cu... Stefan
[14:56] <wtay> --=20
[14:57] <zaheer> <Njaard> well, personally, in *my opinion* gsteamer is u=
seless, due to
[14:57] <zaheer> aRts
[14:57] <wtay> oooh intelligent!
[14:57] <wtay> I'll write the gstreamer plugin wrapping aRts and this is =
settled then :)
[14:57] Action: zaheer thinks Njaard is ignorant of GStreamer's inner bea=
uty
[14:58] <Uraeus> hehe
[14:58] <wtay> how much indepth knowledge do we have in aRts?
[14:58] <zaheer> wtay: its a way of removing essence to ppls' arguments, =
yes...
[14:58] <Uraeus> wtay: not much, except WildFox's input I guess
[14:59] <wtay> I'm probably too stupid to see the problem <g>
[15:00] Action: wtay has apt-getted the aRts SDK...
[15:00] <zaheer> <wtay> might be a nice idea to actually try a C++ plugin=
 in
[15:00] <zaheer> gstreamer...
[15:01] <zaheer> wtay: i plan to do a festival plugin for text2speech...w=
hich will have to be in c++
[15:01] <wtay> zaheer: ok, but I still want the aRts plugin :)
[15:01] <zaheer> yah, itd be nice :)
[15:02] <wtay> just to kick a dead body... <g>
[15:02] <zaheer> c++ is not an OO hacked version of C
[15:02] <wtay> they should have removed the structs then
[15:02] <zaheer> if they removed structs, then c code wouldnt compile
[15:03] <wtay> indeed
[15:03] <wtay> they should also have removed out of class methods
[15:03] <wtay> c++ is an extension to an existing language
[15:04] <zaheer> a struct in c++ is exactly the same as a class except th=
e methods are by default public rather than private
[15:04] <wtay> zaheer: yeah, but no inheritance
[15:04] <zaheer> its very easy to write bad code in c, and it is also ver=
y easy to do so in c++
[15:04] <zaheer> doesnt make c or c++ evil
[15:05] <wtay> I know
[15:05] <Uraeus> wtay: is 'seeking' something which might be considered o=
r is it planned?
[15:05] <zaheer> if soemone decides to only use some features of c++ and =
ignore others, its up to them
[15:05] <wtay> Uraeus: planned
[15:05] <zaheer> aah yes
[15:05] <Uraeus> wtay: that is what I thought
[15:05] <zaheer> we discussed seeking in amsterdam
[15:06] <wtay> zaheer: indeed, maybe it's my lack c knowledge that polute=
s my C++ coding...
[15:06] <wtay> s/lack//
[15:06] <wtay> I do feel confortable with JAVA though
[15:07] <zaheer> :)
[15:07] <zaheer> we also discussed moving the paused state to before play=
ing
[15:07] <wtay> that makes sense IMO
[15:07] <zaheer> so NULL -> READY -> PAUSED -> PLAYING
[15:08] <zaheer> and talked about synchronised out of band event streamin=
g..
[15:08] <wtay> zaheer: what's that?
[15:09] <zaheer> passing events between between plugins
[15:10] <zaheer> such as seek events
[15:10] <wtay> but doing so outside the elements context?
[15:10] <zaheer> we kinda agreed it wasnt a good idea to pass them with b=
uffers coz it would cause extra processing in the playing...
[15:10] <wtay> yes I agree
[15:11] <zaheer> just another method that handles events
[15:11] <zaheer> as opposed to media buffers
[15:11] <wtay> the event system is similar to the negotiate system IMO
[15:11] <wtay> also with caps/props etc
[15:11] <zaheer> so a speration of control and media
[15:11] <zaheer> yes
[15:11] <wtay> not sure if we can decide on a fixed set of events
[15:11] <wtay> maybe a user event that uses caps
[15:11] <zaheer> i dont think we should
[15:11] <zaheer> have a fixed set of events
[15:12] <wtay> I would certainly have an option to extend it
[15:12] <zaheer> any not understoof by plugin should be passed along, and=
 not processed by plugin
[15:12] <zaheer> i see Orion has been following the mailing list
[15:12] <wtay> I mean, you can have a fixed set of events and extensible =
ones
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[15:13] <wtay> who's Orion again?
[15:13] <zaheer> he also does a phd
[15:13] <zaheer> at UCL
[15:14] <zaheer> he is current maintainer of rat, a VoIP telephony client
[15:14] <wtay> cool
[15:15] <zaheer> has erik been online>
[15:15] <zaheer> ?
[15:15] <wtay> not yet
[15:15] <zaheer> he was shattered on saturday
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[15:15] <zaheer> as can be expected with a long haul flight
[15:15] <wtay> yeah
[15:16] <wtay> he has to do a presentation today..
[15:17] <zaheer> you=20
[15:17] <zaheer> at denhaag lug? :)
[15:17] <wtay> yes
[15:17] <wtay> ?
[15:18] <zaheer> sorry i dont know how the "you" came out :)
[15:19] <zaheer> why so much animosity between kde and gnome guys i dont =
understand
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[15:20] <wtay> hoo
[15:20] <omega_> y
[15:20] <wtay> yo
[15:20] <zaheer> wb omnega
[15:20] <zaheer> mit? :)
[15:20] <omega_> stupid dialup
[15:20] <omega_> yeah, backup
[15:20] <codenap> boe :)
[15:20] <omega_> does anyone have info from djcb for tonight?
[15:20] <zaheer> i nearly missed my flight!
[15:21] <omega_> pls forward to om...@se... ASAP
[15:21] <wtay> omega he came here a few times asking for you
[15:21] <omega_> zaheer: you did get it though?
[15:21] <omega_> yeah, I know
[15:21] <zaheer> just!
[15:21] Action: omega_ is checking to see if temple-baptist.com is up yet
[15:21] <wtay> omega he sent you mail with directions...
[15:21] <omega_> yes, but I can't get it
[15:21] <zaheer> i got to the airport 25 mins before it flew
[15:22] <omega_> eek
[15:22] <zaheer> i was one of the last ppl to board :)
[15:22] <omega_> I do that a lot...
[15:22] <zaheer> not healthy for your heart :)
[15:22] <omega_> anyone seen CHW?
[15:23] <zaheer> chw?
[15:23] <omega_> ChiefHighwater
[15:23] <omega_> he's probably still asleep ;-(
[15:23] <omega_> he's the only one that can fix temple-baptist.com right =
now
[15:23] Nick change: WildFox- -> WildFox
[15:25] Action: omega_ hopes there's ethernet at GUADEC
[15:25] <zaheer> yah probably asleep
[15:25] <zaheer> omega: theres ethernet and also 802.11
[15:25] <omega_> cool
[15:25] Action: zaheer will have an 802.11 card for then..
[15:26] <omega_> so does anyone have any idea where this Den Haag LUG mee=
ts?
[15:26] Action: omega_ will have two with him, so if anyone needs to use =
one...
[15:26] <zaheer> and hopefully the latest pcmcia packages
[15:26] <omega_> heh, yeah
[15:26] <wtay> omega can you send mail?
[15:27] <omega_> om...@se...
[15:27] <omega_> yes
[15:27] <wtay> ok
[15:27] <zaheer> linux.denhaag.org
[15:27] <zaheer> has a page in dutch talking about the meet :)
[15:28] <omega_> ok
[15:28] <omega_> ah, there's my name
[15:28] <wtay> http://www.sociamedia.nl/~boyd/route.txt
[15:28] <wtay> all dutch...
[15:28] <zaheer> so if you dotn turn up, there'll be a lot of ppl for you=
r head :)
[15:28] <omega_> bingo
[15:28] <omega_> I guess ;-)
[15:28] <omega_> ok, have a copy on HD
[15:30] <zaheer> wim: the gnome libs prob was just a problem with my desk=
top computer at home....my laptop had it coz i coied the source tree with=
out removing config.cache
[15:30] <zaheer> so spectrum compiles..
[15:30] <wtay> zaheer: good to hear
[15:30] <zaheer> mea culpa :P
[15:30] <omega_> wtay: you're on vacation now, right?
[15:31] <wtay> omega_: yup
[15:31] <omega_> ok
[15:31] Action: omega_ is on a slow, expensive link ;-(
[15:32] <zaheer> expensive?
[15:32] <omega_> .20g/min
[15:32] <omega_> i.e. per minute
[15:32] <zaheer> thats 7p a min
[15:32] <zaheer> not too bad :P
[15:32] <omega_> btw, if I had been thinking, I'd have grabbed those 200g=
l from you and paid you back later in Kr
[15:32] <zaheer> hehe
[15:32] <omega_> but I wasn't thinking...
[15:33] <zaheer> i should have let you done that :)
[15:33] <zaheer> coz i was thinking today to keep em and change in copenh=
agen
[15:33] <omega_> ouch
[15:33] <zaheer> rather than changing twice...
[15:33] Action: zaheer has a lot of dutch currency in his wallet
[15:33] <zaheer> probably 7 times the value of british currency i have in=
 my wallet :)
[15:34] <omega_> doh
[15:34] <omega_> there will probably be some other Dutch person at GUADEC=
 you could swap with
[15:34] <zaheer> but here i use my visa delta card for everything
[15:34] <zaheer> yah there could be=20
[15:35] Action: zaheer gets his laptop setup here to get the mulaw encodi=
ng plugin tested...
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[15:38] Action: omega_ is slowly getting a handle on the incsched bugs
[15:39] Action: omega_ is slowly getting a handle on Den Haag...
[15:40] <zaheer> you think we could have a release by guadec?
[15:40] <omega_> so how odd does sound get when it's played back n the wr=
ong law?
[15:40] <zaheer> VERY odd
[15:40] <omega_> zaheer: at this rate, unless I can get my laptop connect=
ed to the net for an extended period of time, it could be hard
[15:41] <zaheer> it sounds like the radio when not tuned into a channel :=
)
[15:41] <omega_> zaheer: it'd be recognizable, right?
[15:41] <zaheer> yes lots of noise
[15:41] <zaheer> however many other things could cause that too :)
[15:41] <omega_> something to try <g>
[15:41] <Uraeus> besides since both the ESD and ALSA drivers are borked a=
 release now might be counterproductive
[15:42] <omega_> heh
[15:42] <Uraeus> in a PR point of view tgat is :)
[15:42] <Uraeus> s/tgat/that/
[15:43] <omega_> imo the alsa driver is the wrong architecture
[15:43] <omega_> s/driver/plugin/
[15:43] Nick change: WildFox- -> WildFox
[15:44] <Uraeus> well, it is the wrong (old) version of ALSA and wrong ve=
rsion of GStreamer :)
[15:45] <omega_> anyone know why netcfg wouldn't have PPP in it, on rh7 ?
[15:45] <Uraeus> omega_: probably since it was replaces by rp3
[15:46] <omega_> ah, ok
[15:46] <codenap> oowjeah
[15:46] <codenap> YES YES YES
[15:46] <Uraeus> codenap: what noW?
[15:46] <codenap> he :)
[15:46] <codenap> i have 1 line of flame now ;)
[15:46] <codenap> i am converting a putpixel routine into a direect mem o=
utput
[15:46] <omega_> Uraeus: rp3?
[15:47] <omega_> rp-config, ok
[15:47] <Uraeus> omega_: it should be a rp3 binary too
[15:47] <zaheer> netcfg has PPP in rh6.2
[15:48] <Uraeus> zaheer: rp3 is actually quite nice
[15:50] <zaheer> can i use fdsink to write a file?
[15:53] <wtay> zaheer: yes
[15:54] Action: omega_ is going to try to link up with his laptop
[15:54] Action: omega_ will brb, hopefully
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[15:55] Action: Uraeus is amused by the girl next door trying to play a g=
ame of jailbait with him <g>
[15:56] <zaheer> hehe
[15:56] <zaheer> can i use sgtreamer-launcher to set args of elements?
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[15:57] <omega_> ok, I live
[15:57] <zaheer> i am tired of changing helloworld.c :)
[15:57] <zaheer> omega: live?
[15:57] <omega_> use -launch
[15:57] <omega_> on omicron
[15:57] <wtay> zaheer: create you own helloworld3 then! :-)
[15:57] <wtay> or -launch yes
[15:57] <zaheer> wtay: thats what ime tired of doing :P
[15:57] <wtay> zaheer: use the editor :)
[15:57] Action: zaheer is lazy :P
[15:58] <zaheer> hehe
[15:58] <omega_> heh
[15:58] Action: zaheer decides to change helloworld afterall :P
[15:58] <zaheer> i gotta do an open and a close also :P
[15:59] Action: zaheer now has helloworld, hellworld-rtp, helloworld-file=
 :P
[16:00] <omega_> ouch
[16:00] <omega_> use -launch
[16:00] Action: omega_ is doing irc, a cvs update, and reading back UF st=
rips
[16:00] <zaheer> can i make that do an open() on a file and a close() on =
a file?
[16:00] <omega_> which?
[16:00] <zaheer> -launch
[16:01] <zaheer> coz i wana use fdsink
[16:01] <omega_> -launch has nothing to do with files
[16:01] <omega_> hrm, write filesink
[16:01] <wtay> fdsink needs a file descriptor, I think stdout will work
[16:01] <omega_> yes, the default is zero...
[16:01] <zaheer> filesink is a good idea
[16:01] <wtay> not sure what other cruft is going to stdout though
[16:01] <omega_> plenty, unfortunately
[16:01] <omega_> like osssink's stuff
[16:02] <zaheer> but for the moment ill do helloworld-file
[16:02] <zaheer> and Xv stuff too :P
[16:02] <wtay> want me to remove it?
[16:02] <zaheer> is there a need to remove it? :)
[16:02] <omega_> yeah, make it INFO
[16:02] <omega_> or even DEBUG
[16:02] <wtay> ok
[16:02] <omega_> zaheer: if you don't remove it, you get osssink: ew;fj;a=
soidvh all over stdout
[16:02] <zaheer> yah, forgot about the mask :)
[16:05] Action: wtay has gstplay using a plain X videosink and with capsn=
ego with the plugins...
[16:05] <omega_> ooooh
[16:05] <omega_> commit
[16:05] <wtay> you'll like it :)
[16:05] <omega_> before I have to log off again... <g>
[16:05] <wtay> not very polished, are you sure?
[16:05] <omega_> though I'd like to see a doc that describes exactly how =
capsnego works
[16:05] <omega_> it isn't obvious from the code
[16:05] <zaheer> can osssink play mu law?
[16:06] <omega_> wtay: is anything all that polished? <g>
[16:06] <Uraeus> omega_: did you manage to have t-shirts made for GUADEC?
[16:06] <omega_> only if you have hw that can do it
[16:06] <omega_> Uraeus: not yet
[16:06] <wtay> zaheer: osssink will fail the negotiate on mulaw currently
[16:06] <omega_> if someone with better net access than I wants to hunt f=
or a shop in Copenhagen that will print them, please do so
[16:07] <omega_> but we need to decide on a logo too <g>
[16:07] <Uraeus> omega_: ask bex
[16:07] <wtay> omegaone bug remains: the gtk_socket doesn't seem to resiz=
e yet, so gstplay has a 0x0 video window at startup
[16:07] <omega_> Uraeus: um, ok <g>
[16:07] <wtay> need to resize it manually to see something
[16:07] <omega_> Uraeus: what's her email addr?
[16:08] <omega_> wtay: oops
[16:08] <Uraeus> omega_: don't know, but I think she mailed you the confi=
rmation
[16:08] <omega_> yes, but I can't get to that right now, remember?
[16:08] <wtay> omega_: VideoMetaRaw is finally gone too :)
[16:08] <omega_> you mean the props def?
[16:08] <wtay> the include
[16:08] <Uraeus> omega_: heh, I will ask her to contact you as soon as sh=
e comes online
[16:08] <omega_> oh, gone, not done
[16:09] <omega_> Uraeus: at om...@se... for now
[16:09] <Uraeus> ok
[16:09] <wtay> all props now
[16:09] <omega_> good
[16:09] <wtay> commiting in a few moments...
[16:09] <omega_> can someone send me mail to see if om...@se... works =
right?
[16:09] <wtay> ok, sec..
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[16:10] <zaheer> done :)
[16:10] <wtay> sent
[16:10] Action: omega_ prepares for the flood
[16:10] Action: Uraeus sends 500MB mpeg clip to omega_
[16:11] <zaheer> oh didnt i tell you i had a for(i=3D0;i<STARS_IN_UNIVERS=
E;i++) send_junk_mail("om...@se...");
[16:11] Action: omega_ hides, then remembers to yank the phone cord from =
the wall
[16:11] <Uraeus> hehe
[16:12] <omega_> before it fuses in place... <g>
[16:14] <wtay> committing...
[16:14] <zaheer> interesting im getting a core in stereo2mono.c
[16:15] <omega_> don't do that.. <g>
[16:15] <omega_> NULL doesn't like to be poked too often
[16:15] <wtay> this is a large update  that will break some things (video=
 related)
[16:15] <omega_> heh
[16:19] <omega_> ok, guadec program didn't change significantly from what=
 I last saw
[16:19] <omega_> still on at 3:15
[16:19] <wtay> omega_: I'll leave a message at the hotels desk when I arr=
ive
[16:20] <omega_> ok
[16:20] <omega_> I don't know how I'm getting there yet, but I do have to=
 get there before 6
[16:20] <omega_> what's your eta there?
[16:20] <wtay> 5 april around 4oclock
[16:20] <omega_> ok
[16:20] <wtay> you?
[16:21] <omega_> dunno
[16:21] <omega_> saw a flight Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 279gl
[16:21] <omega_> not too bad
[16:21] <wtay> good
[16:21] <omega_> not sure I want to do the train thing, since it's appare=
ntly a really long trip (10hrs)
[16:21] <zaheer> my flight is 100 pounds from here
[16:22] <zaheer> 10hrs!
[16:22] <omega_> not sure I buy that
[16:22] <omega_> I think my sister is thinking of Copenhagen to Halden
[16:22] <omega_> which is not that long either
[16:22] <omega_> wtay: what day do you leave home to start up that direct=
ion?
[16:22] Action: zaheer looks to see what GST_PAD_CAPS does...
[16:22] <wtay> omega_: 4 april
[16:23] <omega_> ok, so only a day before
[16:23] <omega_> Friday, from 6-11pm is 'free hacking' <G>
[16:23] <wtay> omega_: yup, need to sleep somewhere in denmark
[16:23] <omega_> heh
[16:24] <omega_> also, wtay: think about which talks you are interested, =
I'll do the same, we can swap lists of them
[16:24] <wtay> grr, something hosed the plugin timestamps...
[16:24] <omega_> we should try to get decent coverage
[16:24] <wtay> omega_: ok
[16:24] <omega_> Uraeus and others should probably do the same, so maybe =
use the mlist
[16:24] <wtay> omega_: I'm also planning to spedn some time in denmark wi=
th my GF
[16:24] <omega_> before/during/after ?
[16:24] <wtay> this must be like hell for her :)
[16:24] <omega_> hehehe
[16:24] <wtay> during
[16:24] <omega_> ok
[16:25] <wtay> all those geeks
[16:25] <zaheer> wtay: youre too soft :P
[16:25] <wtay> zaheer: I like it that way :)
[16:25] <omega_> mu, there goes the laptop fan
[16:25] <omega_> this machine is much faster to heat up and spin the fan =
up
[16:25] <zaheer> (((GstRealPad*)(pad))->caps)
[16:26] <zaheer> the GstRealPad doesnt have a caps attribute
[16:26] <wtay> omega_: did you see the IRC log where Njaard came to make =
a fool of himself yesterday
[16:26] <zaheer> yes it does
[16:26] <zaheer> its 0x0
[16:27] Action: zaheer guesses stereo2mono and mulawenc didnt have a nice=
 nego :P
[16:27] <vektor> wtay: the kid is pretty young.  don't be to hard on him.
[16:27] <wtay> vektor: yeah, I know
[16:27] <omega_> wtay: nope, where?
[16:28] <Uraeus> omega_: I wasn=E6t following the discussion, what should=
 I do?
[16:28] <omega_> came *here* ?
[16:28] <wtay> omega_: yes
[16:28] <omega_> inder what name, 'njaard' ?
[16:28] <wtay> omega_: care if I send you the IRC log then?
[16:28] <omega_> I can get it=20
[16:28] <wtay> oh ok, about around 22.15
[16:28] <omega_> heh, that was zaheer's flight time <g>
[16:29] <omega_> the day before, at least
[16:29] <omega_> sure it was njaard and not an april fool's joke? <g>
[16:29] <omega_> or was njaard the april fool?
[16:29] <Uraeus> <g>
[16:30] <omega_> brb
[16:30] <omega_> fixed..
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[16:32] <omega_> mu
[16:32] <sienap> Jo dudes :)
[16:32] <sienap> *ME HAPPY*
[16:32] <sienap> he has the fire effect at the 80x25 atleast :0
[16:32] <sienap> i trow away all the dirty asm routines and made some equ=
al direct mem write functions
[16:32] <sienap> he this is fun :)
[16:32] <sienap> the demo is going to be great :)
[16:32] <sienap> *HAPPY HAPPY*
[16:33] <sienap> *jumps around*
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[16:35] Action: omega_ is reading njaard logs
[16:36] <zaheer> it was my flight time!!
[16:40] <zaheer> it doesnt seem to want to play on oss...
[16:41] Action: omega_ is going to take off and save $$ after he gets the=
 logs saved to disk
[16:41] Action: zaheer is gonna use fdsink, and write disksink later...
[16:42] Action: omega_ is logging off now
[16:42] <zaheer> ok
[16:42] <zaheer> spk laters
[16:42] <omega_> will be back later, before I go to the LUG meet
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[16:42] <zaheer> wtay: what was the hotel url again?
[16:42] Action: zaheer has it at home..and wants to book
[16:45] <wtay> sorry was away..
[16:46] <wtay> zaheer: www.hebron.dk
[16:51] Action: wtay is going to use Hermes for format conversion...
[16:51] Action: wtay thinks Hermes should also do YUV conversions...
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[16:56] Action: WildFox doing ugly YUV things for his webcam driver
[16:56] <WildFox> :)
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[17:07] <wtay> richardb is right to the point with that last commit :)
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[17:07] <omega_> heh
[17:07] <wtay> Log message:
[17:07] <wtay> Add configure support for detecting artsc: if this is foun=
d, its okay
[17:07] <wtay> to build an artsdsink plugin. Now, someone just needs to w=
rite an
[17:07] <wtay> artsdsink.
[17:08] <wtay> although complete wrapper around aRts would be a bit more =
deadly..
[17:08] Action: omega_ guesses one might get written this coming weekend =
<g>
[17:09] <wtay> good point
[17:09] Action: wtay hopes that aRts guy is going to help a bit..
[17:10] <omega_> stw?
[17:11] <zaheer> wb
[17:12] <zaheer> wtay: you know how much the room rates are?
[17:15] <wtay> 1000KR
[17:15] <wtay> omega_: yeah
[17:17] <zaheer> 1000KR =3D approx 125$ right?
[17:18] Action: zaheer just did a cvs update
[17:18] <zaheer> wow, lots of changes :P
[17:18] <wtay> zaheer: yes
[17:18] <omega_> 1000Kr ~=3D 120.2$ last I looked
[17:18] <zaheer> thats cool
[17:19] <wtay> they raised their prices a little
[17:19] Action: zaheer wonders if they'll accept part guilders, part cred=
it card payment :)
[17:19] <wtay> zaheer: I gave you the price for a double deluxe room
[17:19] <zaheer> aaah
[17:19] Action: zaheer just needs a single room
[17:20] <wtay> sec...
[17:20] <zaheer> im awaiting info from the hotel anyway
[17:20] <wtay> 610 or 660 kr for a single room
[17:20] <zaheer> thats cool
[17:21] <wtay> hmm 815 for a double deluxe cool
[17:22] <wtay> I found the hotel and venue place on my map here=20
[17:22] <zaheer> how far apart?
[17:23] <wtay> about 2.4 km
[17:23] <zaheer> bus/train able?
[17:23] <wtay> not very close together
[17:23] <wtay> very
[17:23] <zaheer> 2.4k's is only 20 mins walk
[17:23] <omega_> that's about how far my hotel in amsterdam was from the =
center...
[17:24] Action: zaheer remembers doing over 6kms an hr walking...
[17:24] Action: omega_ has no idea how he *EVER* managed to avoid going i=
nsane with a modem
[17:24] <wtay> if you take copenhagen, the venue is noth/west, the hotel =
south/west
[17:24] <zaheer> omega: now you kow how its like for rest of us :)
[17:25] Action: omega_ shudders
[17:25] <zaheer> AC_ARG_ENABLE(artsd,
[17:25] <zaheer> [  --enable-artsd            enable the building of arts=
d plugins],
[17:25] <zaheer> [case "${enableval}" in
[17:25] <zaheer>         yes) : ;;
[17:25] <zaheer>         no) HAVE_ARTSC=3Dno ;;
[17:25] <zaheer>         *) AC_MSG_ERROR(bad value ${enableval} for --ena=
ble-artsd) ;;
[17:25] <zaheer>         esac],
[17:25] <zaheer> [:])
[17:25] <zaheer> already! :)
[17:25] <wtay> zaheer: :)
[17:26] <wtay> I need to write a colorconversion plugin first.. or people=
 will complain..
[17:27] <zaheer> hehe
[17:27] Action: zaheer sees wtay is working hard :P
[17:27] <wtay> that's ot working ;-)
[17:27] <wtay> s/ot/not
[17:31] Action: omega_ is gonna take a 45min nap, and hopes that the down=
load doesn't tank during that time
[17:31] Action: zaheer will set a script to auto-tank it every 5 mins :)
[17:32] Action: omega_ will shoot zaheer with a 12guage if he does that <=
g>
[17:35] <wtay> M$ has updated their D$ pages.. interesting read=20
[17:38] <zaheer> just got a reservation confirmation from the hotel
[17:38] <zaheer> 610Kr
[17:40] <wtay> that's fast
[17:40] <zaheer> yep
[17:41] <zaheer> so barring anything major
[17:41] <zaheer> I will be in Copenhagen Saturday morning
[17:41] <wtay> cool
[17:45] <zaheer> what signal does caps nego send if caps fails?
[17:45] <zaheer> if nego fails that is
[17:45] <wtay> none
[17:45] <wtay> fior now
[17:45] <wtay> for now I mean
[17:45] <zaheer> it will send a signal soon, right?
[17:46] <wtay> element or pad signal?
[17:47] <zaheer> thats true
[17:47] <wtay> I'll make a pad signal for now
[17:47] <zaheer> its a nego problem between 2 pads
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[17:47] <zaheer> hi dobey
[17:47] <dobey> hi
[17:48] <wtay> hi
[17:48] <zaheer> ok im going to write a disksink..
[17:48] <wtay> cool
[17:48] <zaheer> should i put it where the disksrc is?
[17:48] <wtay> yeah, can you try to subclass fdsink?
[17:48] <zaheer> does disksrc subclass fdsrc?
[17:49] <wtay> no
[17:49] <zaheer> ok
[17:49] <zaheer> i'll try :)
[17:49] Action: zaheer gets out his gtk programming book
[17:49] <dobey> heh
[17:50] <zaheer> aah yes
[17:51] <zaheer> i plan to start porting the glib2 work today
[17:51] <zaheer> s/porting/doing
[17:51] <wtay> very good
[17:51] <zaheer> how should i do it, should it be a CVS branch?
[17:51] <wtay> got enough information?
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[17:52] <wtay> zaheer: probably yes
[17:52] <zaheer> its a mapping really of GTK object stuff to GObject stuf=
f
[17:52] <zaheer> i want to have it working for GUADEC
[17:52] <wtay> hmm
[17:52] <wtay> ok
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[17:56] <omega> omega_ you here?
[17:56] <omega> stay off my nick!!!!!!!!
[17:56] <omega> you'v been warned
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[17:58] <wtay> pfff
[17:59] <zaheer> what the f***
[18:00] <wtay> yeah, same guy again..
[18:00] <zaheer> very rude
[18:01] <wtay> wheneve omega has his un-underscored nick he comes to anno=
y us a bit...
[18:01] <dobey> he is the omega particle
[18:06] <zaheer> gst_elementfactory_make returns NULL only if element not=
 found, right?
[18:07] <wtay> hmm right
[18:07] <wtay> or something else goes wrong, like unresolved dependency
[18:09] <zaheer> #0  0x404971e5 in gst_stereo2mono_chain (pad=3D0x806ddf0=
, buf=3D0x806b358)
[18:09] <zaheer>     at stereo2mono.c:173
[18:09] <zaheer> 173	  width=3Dgst_caps_get_int(GST_PAD_CAPS(pad),"width"=
);
[18:09] <zaheer> (gdb) bt      =20
[18:09] <zaheer> #0  0x404971e5 in gst_stereo2mono_chain (pad=3D0x806ddf0=
, buf=3D0x806b358)
[18:09] <zaheer>     at stereo2mono.c:173
[18:09] <zaheer> #1  0x402fbe9e in gst_pad_push (pad=3D0x806b0a8, buf=3D0=
x806b358) at gstpad.c:1210
[18:10] <zaheer> (gdb) print ((GstRealPad*)pad)->caps
[18:10] <zaheer> $2 =3D (GstCaps *) 0x0
[18:10] <wtay> need to check if the pad has caps first
[18:12] <zaheer> why would caps be NULL?
[18:12] <wtay> what is connected to the peer pad?
[18:12] <wtay> to the sink pad I mean
[18:12] <zaheer> mulawencode
[18:12] <zaheer> oh sink has mpg123
[18:12] <wtay> does it set caps?
[18:12] <wtay> ah
[18:12] <zaheer> srcpad has mulawencode
[18:13] <wtay> mpg123 should set the caps...
[18:13] <zaheer> the pipeline is mpg123 -> stereo2mono -> mulawencode
[18:13] <zaheer> and stereo2mono's chain func is the one in which it core=
d in
[18:14] <wtay> is capsnego started in stereo2mono
[18:14] <wtay> ?
[18:14] Action: zaheer hasnt got any printf's in stereo2mono's nego func =
anymore...so i dont know yet..
[18:14] <zaheer> i can stick them in...
[18:15] <wtay> --gst-debug-mask=3D-1
[18:15] <zaheer> INFO(28005:-1):gst_pad_renegotiate:1065: negotiating pad=
 decoder:src and stereo2mono:sink
[18:15] <zaheer> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:16] <wtay> that's it?
[18:16] <zaheer> tahts the last 2 lines :P
[18:16] <zaheer> INFO(28005:-1):gst_bin_change_state:251: [bin] changing =
bin's state from READY to PLAYING
[18:16] <zaheer> INFO(28005:-1):gst_buffer_new:57: creating new buffer 0x=
806b2d8
[18:16] <zaheer> INFO(28005:-1):gst_buffer_create_sub:118: creating new s=
ubbuffer 0x806b310 from parent 0x806b2d8
[18:16] <zaheer> INFO(28005:-1):gst_buffer_new:57: creating new buffer 0x=
806b348
[18:16] <zaheer> INFO(28005:-1):gst_pad_renegotiate:1065: negotiating pad=
 decoder:src and stereo2mono:sink
[18:16] <zaheer> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:17] <wtay> oh try --gst-debug-mask=3D-1 instead
[18:17] <zaheer> sorry did gst-info-mask :P
[18:18] <zaheer> Aaaah!!!
[18:18] <zaheer> DEBUG(28019:-1)gst_pad_renegotiate_func:955: negotiating=
 pad stereo2mono:src and play_audio:sink counter:0
[18:18] <zaheer> DEBUG(28019:-1)gst_props_entry_check_compatibility:709: =
compare: format format
[18:18] <zaheer> DEBUG(28019:-1)gst_props_entry_check_compatibility:709: =
compare: width width
[18:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[18:18] <zaheer> DEBUG(28019:-1)gst_props_entry_check_compatibility:709: =
compare: law law
[18:18] <zaheer> DEBUG(28019:-1)gst_props_check_compatibility:842: law ar=
e not compatible
[18:18] <zaheer> interesting...
[18:18] <wtay> :)
[18:18] <zaheer> its the mulaw encoder causing it :)
[18:18] <wtay> yes
[18:19] <wtay> wrong sink caps
[18:19] <zaheer> what is the law for linear
[18:19] <zaheer> INT(0) ?
[18:19] <wtay> 0
[18:19] <wtay> yes
[18:19] <zaheer> static GstPadFactory mulawenc_sink_factory =3D {
[18:19] <zaheer>   "sink",
[18:19] <zaheer>   GST_PAD_FACTORY_SINK,
[18:19] <zaheer>   GST_PAD_FACTORY_ALWAYS,
[18:19] <zaheer>   GST_PAD_FACTORY_CAPS(
[18:19] <wtay> hehe, that's what I call 'error recovery'
[18:19] <zaheer>   "test_sink",
[18:19] <zaheer>     "audio/raw",
[18:19] <zaheer>     "format",    GST_PROPS_STRING ("int"),
[18:19] <zaheer>       "law", GST_PROPS_INT(0),
[18:19] <zaheer>       "width", GST_PROPS_INT(16),
[18:19] <zaheer>       "depth", GST_PROPS_INT(16)
[18:19] <zaheer>   ),
[18:20] <zaheer>   NULL,
[18:20] <zaheer> };
[18:20] <zaheer> aaaah!!!!!!!
[18:20] <wtay> ?
[18:20] Action: zaheer throws a baseball bat at his brain :P
[18:20] <zaheer> the nego functions are wrong way round :P
[18:20] <wtay> doh
[18:22] <zaheer> HAHAHAHAHA
[18:22] Action: zaheer listens to the mu law encoded mp3 :)
[18:22] <wtay> cool
[18:22] <zaheer> ummm
[18:22] <zaheer> kinda cool
[18:22] <wtay> try again now with aRts
[18:22] <zaheer> it sounds like Shaggy has had too much helium :P
[18:23] <wtay> too fast?
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[18:23] <djcb> omega_: ?
[18:24] <wtay> he's taking a nap
[18:24] <wtay> he should be back by now
[18:24] <djcb> wtay: ah - he's supposed to do a talk tonight...
[18:24] <wtay> and then he got kicked of by the *real* omega
[18:25] <wtay> djcb: he was asking for you
[18:25] <djcb> djcb: so hopefully he'll wake up
[18:25] <djcb> ah
[18:25] <djcb> do you have a phon #
[18:25] <wtay> djcb: I pointed him to the route description
[18:25] <djcb> phone #
[18:25] <wtay> me?
[18:25] <wtay> yeah
[18:25] <wtay> not from omega though
[18:25] <djcb> wtay: his .nl phone #
[18:26] <djcb> ?
[18:26] <wtay> doh
[18:26] <wtay> nope
[18:26] <wtay> you can send mail to om...@se... I think... checking
[18:26] <djcb> wtay: i mailed him a couple of times at baptist-something
[18:27] <zaheer> wtay: yah it is too fast...
[18:27] <wtay> djcb: no go with that e-mail, the server is down
[18:27] <wtay> djcb: you should forward to seul.org for now
[18:28] <zaheer> try om...@se...
[18:28] <djcb> wtay: thx
[18:28] <zaheer> he did want to get hold of you
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[18:28] <zaheer> yo omega
[18:28] <djcb> he omega!
[18:28] <wtay> that's not the real one..
[18:29] <wtay> I mean, err
[18:29] <zaheer> wtay: does ossink handle 8bit depth and width
[18:29] <wtay> the .nl omega :)
[18:29] <wtay> zaheer: yes
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[18:29] <wtay> zaheer: probably untested
[18:29] <zaheer> look at this tho..
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink: attempting to open sound device
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink: Capabilities 00003300
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink:   Full duplex
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink:   Realtime
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink:   Trigger
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink:   Direct access
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink: Formats 00000018
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink:   U8
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink:   S16_LE
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink: opened audio with fd=3D5
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink: negotiate
[18:29] <zaheer> osssink: setting sound card to 44100Hz 16 bit mono (6553=
6 bytes buffer, 512 fragment)
[18:30] <zaheer> look at bottom line
[18:30] <zaheer> 16bit mono
[18:30] <zaheer> should be 8 bit mono
[18:30] <wtay> yeah
[18:30] Action: zaheer will read thru the osssink code...
[18:30] <wtay> I don't check depth...
[18:30] <zaheer> hence the feeling of Shaggy having inhaled helium :)
[18:31] <wtay> ah, they should be equal, ok
[18:31] <wtay> zaheer: nothing special about the osssink.c AFAICS
[18:33] <zaheer>  else if (width =3D=3D 8) {
[18:33] <zaheer>       if (sign =3D=3D TRUE) {
[18:33] <zaheer>         format =3D AFMT_S8;
[18:33] <zaheer>       }
[18:33] <zaheer>       else {
[18:33] <zaheer>         format =3D AFMT_U8;
[18:33] <zaheer>       }
[18:33] <wtay> looks ok to me
[18:33] <zaheer> yah
[18:34] <zaheer> im looking for where it outputs "setting soundcard to:"
[18:34] <wtay> are you sure mulawencode sets depth/width to 8?
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[18:34] <wtay> yo
[18:34] <zaheer> very sure....
[18:34] <zaheer> tho ill check again :)
[18:34] <sienap> hej wtay!
[18:34] <wtay> sienap: HI
[18:35] <zaheer>  g_print("osssink: setting sound card to %dHz %d bit %s =
(%d bytes buffer, %d fragment)\n",
[18:35] <zaheer>           osssink->frequency, osssink->format,
[18:35] <zaheer>           (osssink->channels =3D=3D 2) ? "stereo" : "mon=
o", ospace.bytes, frag);
[18:35] <zaheer> its printing osssink->format as the num of bits
[18:35] <wtay> yeah, well approximatly
[18:36] Action: zaheer looks up AFMT_U8
[18:36] <wtay> U8 and S16 are 8/16 for historical reasons
[18:36] <zaheer> yah
[18:37] Action: zaheer spotted that they equal num bits in soundcard.h
[18:37] <sienap> wtay stuff is going cool :)
[18:37] <wtay> printf time then for all the vars in _parse_caps
[18:37] Action: zaheer rechecks mulaw's nego
[18:37] Action: omega_ goes now
[18:37] <wtay> zaheer: is signed set to FALSE?
[18:37] <zaheer> omega: djcb is here
[18:38] <omega_> yeah
[18:38] <wtay> omega_: djcb is here
[18:38] <zaheer> wtay: signed wasnt even set..
[18:38] <zaheer> by mulaw or stereo2mono
[18:38] <wtay> zaheer: so it stays to signed is TRUE from mpg123 which fa=
ils for audiosink
[18:39] <zaheer> aah ok
[18:39] <wtay> mulaw needs to set it to FALSE
[18:39] <zaheer> ok
[18:39] <zaheer> wont that cause any probs?
[18:39] <wtay> I don't check (big FIXME) if the audio format was really s=
et in the osssink
[18:39] <wtay> zaheer: like?
[18:40] <zaheer> like ummm
[18:40] <zaheer> casting signed to unsigned shouldnt be a problem if all =
values are positive...
[18:40] <wtay> if the property was not originally in the caps, it will be=
 added
[18:40] <sienap> zaheer he
[18:40] <zaheer> hiya sienap
[18:41] Action: wtay needs to construct a testbed for colorspace caps neg=
o...
[18:41] <zaheer> GST_PROPS_INT or GST_PROPS_BOOL ?
[18:41] <wtay> BOOLEAN
[18:41] <wtay>       "signed",     GST_PROPS_LIST (
[18:41] <wtay>                       GST_PROPS_BOOLEAN (FALSE),
[18:41] <wtay>                       GST_PROPS_BOOLEAN (TRUE)
[18:42] <zaheer> cheers :)
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[18:42] <zaheer> hiya steveb
[18:42] <wtay> hi=20
[18:42] <steveb> hey
[18:42] <omega_> yo
[18:42] <zaheer> i noticed on sunday that chello sponsor arrows
[18:43] <zaheer> is it the same chello?
[18:43] <steveb> ha, yeah
[18:43] <steveb> as of recently a sponser in name only :/
[18:43] <zaheer> name only?
[18:44] <steveb> but you didn't hear that from me, right?
[18:44] <zaheer> hehe i dont know anyone from chello :)
[18:44] <zaheer> i dont even know who they are :)
[18:44] <steveb> :)
[18:44] Action: omega_ must go now to stop paying charges on the IP conne=
ct ;-(
[18:44] <zaheer> ok cya omega
[18:44] <zaheer> enjoy the talk
[18:44] <steveb> hi bye
[18:44] <omega_> l8r
[18:45] <omega_> I'll try to videotape my talk
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[18:45] <zaheer> cool
[18:45] <zaheer> wtay, i done that, no effect
[18:45] <wtay> zaheer: ?
[18:46] <zaheer> signed being false
[18:46] <zaheer> on srcpad of mulaw
[18:46] <wtay> printf in osssink.c then
[18:46] <zaheer> ok
[18:46] <zaheer> in props_parse?
[18:46] <wtay> yes
[18:48] <zaheer> osssink: negotiate
[18:48] <zaheer> osssink-debug: law: 0 signed: 1 width: 16 depth: 16
[18:48] <zaheer> very interesting...
[18:49] Action: zaheer wonders what is going on...
[18:49] <zaheer> must be mulawencode doing something fishy
[18:50] <wtay> so it seems
[18:51] <zaheer> static GstPadNegotiateReturn
[18:51] <zaheer> mulawenc_negotiate_src (GstPad *pad, GstCaps **caps, gin=
t counter)
[18:51] <zaheer> {
[18:51] <zaheer>   GstMuLawEnc* mulawenc=3DGST_MULAWENC (GST_OBJECT_PAREN=
T (pad));
[18:51] <zaheer>   if (*caps=3D=3DNULL) return GST_PAD_NEGOTIATE_FAIL;
[18:51] <zaheer>   *caps =3D gst_caps_copy_on_write (*caps);
[18:51] <zaheer>   gst_caps_set(*caps,"law",GST_PROPS_INT(1));
[18:51] <zaheer>   gst_caps_set(*caps,"depth",GST_PROPS_INT(8));
[18:51] <zaheer>   gst_caps_set(*caps,"width",GST_PROPS_INT(8));
[18:51] <zaheer>   gst_caps_set(*caps,"format",GST_PROPS_STRING("int"));
[18:51] <zaheer>   gst_caps_set(*caps,"signed",GST_PROPS_BOOLEAN(FALSE));
[18:51] <zaheer>   return gst_pad_negotiate_proxy(pad,mulawenc->sinkpad,c=
aps,counter);
[18:51] <zaheer> }
[18:51] <wtay> not good
[18:51] Action: zaheer is very confused now
[18:52] <wtay> mulawencode has to call gst_pad_set_caps
[18:52] <zaheer> ??
[18:53] <wtay> mulawencode outputs a very specific audio type, right?
[18:53] <zaheer> it outputs audio/raw int law=3Dmulaw width=3D8 depth=3D8
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[18:53] <zaheer> the rest is passed on
[18:54] <zaheer> oh yes, now signed=3Dfalse too
[18:54] <wtay> right before if is going to push a buffer out it has to ei=
ther _set the caps or call gst_pad_renegotiate to start the caps nego
[18:54] <wtay> the idea is that no buffer is pushed before caps are set t=
o the pad
[18:55] <zaheer> why wasnt this needed in stereo2mono?
[18:55] <wtay> so: if the encoder can output different types, it has to d=
o negotiation. If it doesn't, it simply sets the caps and be done with it
[18:56] <wtay> zaheer: the negotiation in stereo2mono was started by mpg1=
23
[18:56] <zaheer> aaah
[18:56] <zaheer> so negotiation in mulawencode isnt started by stereo2mon=
o?
[18:56] <wtay> not on the src pad, no
[18:56] <hadess> hi zaheer, wtay
[18:57] <zaheer> hiya hadess
[18:57] <wtay> and neither is it by audiosink (dabatly wrong)
[18:57] <wtay> hi hadess
[18:57] <zaheer> hadess, how you getting to copenhagen?
[18:57] <dobey> hadess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!!!!!
[18:58] <zaheer> so i do renegotiate when sink pad negotiation is done?
[18:58] Action: wtay thinks dobey has set his key repeat interval too sho=
rt
[18:58] <dobey> heh
[18:58] <hadess> zaheer: taking the plane from gatwick on thursday
[18:58] <zaheer> ok
[18:58] <zaheer> way back?
[18:58] <wtay> zaheer: I suggest setting the caps and don't attach a nego=
tiate function to the src pad
[18:59] <sienap> dobey!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:59] <dobey> hi sienap
[18:59] <hadess> zaheer: on monday, from copenhagen as well
[18:59] <sienap> dobey you mothahfucking idiot!
[18:59] <hadess> yo dobey
[18:59] <zaheer> wtay: however it can accept any sample rate, any number =
of channels...
[18:59] <sienap> dobey how is stuff going at ximian ?
[18:59] Action: dobey kicks sienap
[18:59] <dobey> good
[18:59] <sienap> he great
[18:59] <sienap> what are u working on right now ?
[18:59] <dobey> too much shit
[18:59] <wtay> zaheer: right before pushing the buffer, take the sink cap=
s, adjust and set to the sr...
 
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