[gst-devel] Daily IRC logs

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[06:30] <PartyZan> And i thoght,what is "nz" in your host name:)
[06:31] <PartyZan> I'm from Russia
[06:31] <ajmitch> ah, cool
[06:32] <ajmitch> what are you interested in using gstreamer for?
[06:33] <PartyZan> And what is it ?(sorry for stupid quastion)
[06:34] <PartyZan> I'm for 5 days was looking for Xlib,and finally join t=
he first channel about Linux
[06:34] <ajmitch> oh, ok ;)
[06:34] <ajmitch> there are quite a lot of linux related channels on this=
 irc network
[06:36] <PartyZan> Please,send me any link about gstreamer,i'm interestin=
g in multimedia,especially video
[06:36] <ajmitch> as you can see in the channel topic, the homepage is at=
 http://gstreamer.net
[06:37] <PartyZan> And Xlib I need to compile player for  DivX
[06:37] <PartyZan> Sorry,did'n see it:)
[06:39] <ajmitch> how fast is your computer?
[06:39] <PartyZan> PII 333 Cel 32Mb 4Mb Video
[06:40] <PartyZan> Is it bad connect with me?
[06:40] <ajmitch> no, i was just wondering how well DivX would work
[06:41] <PartyZan> I tryed under MD'98 : rather good,except sound
[06:43] <ajmitch> MD'98 ?
[06:43] <PartyZan> In gstreamer.net is too much clever words,could you ex=
plain me in two words?
[06:44] <PartyZan> MustDie'98 (Windows'98 SE)
[06:44] <ajmitch> hehe, ok ;)
[06:45] <ajmitch> what do you want me to try & explain?
[06:45] <PartyZan> What is gstreamer?
[06:46] <PartyZan> It's too far from user's problems
[06:46] <ajmitch> gstreamer mainly allows developers to make multimedia a=
pps, but there is an example player included that works quite well
[06:46] <PartyZan> Is it unlinear video editor?
[06:47] <ajmitch> no, but one can be made with gstreamer
[06:48] <PartyZan> OK,and do you developed it?
[06:48] <ajmitch> no, i am working on an application that uses the gstrea=
mer library
[06:48] <PartyZan> What exactly?
[06:49] <ajmitch> a program for getting msuc, etc off tapes through the m=
icrophone jack, and converting it to mp3 or ogg
[06:50] <PartyZan> MP3 encoding on-the-fly without wav-files,yes?
[06:51] <ajmitch> yes
[06:52] <ajmitch> the only problem there is that the encoder can be slowe=
r than the tape player
[06:52] <PartyZan> Hey,send me please your location.Today my account ends=
 in 3 minutes:(
[06:52] <ajmitch> so i might need to use .wav files
[06:52] <ajmitch> my email address?
[06:52] <PartyZan> yes,or icq
[06:52] <ajmitch> icq number 11392490
[06:53] <PartyZan> OK ,thanks for help,hear you later:)
[06:53] <ajmitch> ok ;)
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[07:37] Nick change: taaz -> taazzzz
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[07:59] <etienned> hello
[07:59] <etienned> anyone here?
[07:59] <etienned> exit
[07:59] <etienned> quit!
[07:59] <etienned> control see
[07:59] <etienned> escape escape
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[08:33] <walken> yop
[08:33] <Omega> hello
[08:33] Action: Omega is very very pissed
[08:33] <walken> wazzup ?
[08:33] <walken> huh ?
[08:34] <Omega> I leave for Europe in <36hrs
[08:34] <Omega> and the *other* hinge for my laptop's LCD just shattered
[08:34] <Omega> 3mo ago they replaced the left hinge
[08:34] <walken> whats hinge ?
[08:34] <Omega> the !@#%@#$ idiots didn't replace the right hinge at the =
same time
[08:34] <Omega> def ?
[08:34] <walken> yes
[08:35] <Omega> more specifically, the bottom half of the hinge, the part=
 that connects the LCD to the laptop and allows the LCD to swivel
[08:35] <walken> oh
[08:35] <Omega> it's a very poorly designed and build part that gets all =
the stress of the hinges, which have significant friction built in in ord=
er to keep the LCD from flopping over
[08:36] <Omega> and now both of them have (in turn) shattered
[08:36] <Omega> my laptop is untransportable and unusable
[08:36] <Omega> so now I'm attempting to either borrow or rent a laptop t=
o put the hard drive into
[08:36] <Omega> it's gonna cost at least $200
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[08:59] <Omega> yo
[09:00] <steveb> hi
[09:00] <Omega> what was the url of that hotel?
[09:00] <steveb> www.apollofirst.nl
[09:00] <Omega> haven't heard back from them via email yet
[09:00] <steveb> the booking i mentioned was actually under my name throu=
gh some agent
[09:01] <Omega> hmm, ok
[09:01] <steveb> but as long as they quote you fl 275 then you're getting=
 the same deal\
[09:01] <Omega> yeah
[09:01] <Omega> that's what they show on the website anyway, so...
[09:01] <steveb> yeah
[09:01] <Omega> ok
[09:02] <Omega> ok, I'll figure out how to call them
[09:02] <Omega> I assume everyone speaks english...
[09:02] <steveb> do it, dial it
[09:02] <steveb> hotels are used to english speakers
[09:02] <steveb> hey, i live here and I can't speak Dutch!
[09:04] <Omega> um...
[09:05] <Omega> do I dial the (0) in the # ?
[09:05] <Omega> doesn't look like it, from here
[09:06] <steveb> no
[09:06] <Omega> ok.
[09:06] <steveb> +3120... where + is your international code (00?)
[09:07] <Omega> should I tell them that the booking under your name is ac=
tually for me, or are you going to be staying there too?
[09:07] <Omega> 011 31 ...
[09:07] <steveb> i won't be staying their - if you mention my name and th=
e meeting it might ring a bell
[09:07] <Omega> ok
[09:08] <Omega> calling..
[09:11] <Omega> ok, set up for room
[09:11] <Omega> but the guy said that the breakfast room couldn't be used=
...
[09:11] <Omega> but there is a lounge that might work
[09:11] <Omega> so... we probably can work that out when we get there eve=
n
[09:12] <steveb> ok
[09:12] <steveb> did you ask about whiteboards?
[09:12] <Omega> else the conference room is 275
[09:12] <Omega> nope
[09:12] <Omega> didn't sound like he was the right person to ask anyway
[09:12] <Omega> he said to call back after 11am (2am my time, so.. ;-( ) =
and ask for Caroline
[09:13] <steveb> i could do that
[09:13] <Omega> if you can, that'd help <g>
[09:13] <Omega> I'm about ready to collapse
[09:13] <Omega> my laptop is trashed, I have to find a replacement loaner=
/renter *tomorrow*
[09:13] <steveb> so we want to know - can we use the breakfast room, is t=
here powerpoints, is there a whiteboard
[09:14] <Omega> not to mention having spent the day meeting with matth an=
d brentb discussing gstreamer stuff...
[09:14] <steveb> how did the events meeting go
[09:14] <Omega> we have a pretty good idea of what to do now
[09:14] <steveb> cool
[09:15] <Omega> matth still thinks that events should be sent via the sam=
e mechanism as buffers, but I see all kinds of problems with that, not th=
e least of which is the overhead of checking for a buffer vs. an event fo=
r every single buffer receive
[09:15] <Omega> which for some pipelines (esp large real-time audio ones)=
 could be in the millions of buffers per second
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[09:16] <Omega> btw, the reservation should now be under some approximati=
on of my name...
[09:16] <steveb> i've gone off the idea of control info via pads
[09:16] Action: Omega keeps reaching for a mouse that isn't there ;-(
[09:16] <steveb> ok
[09:16] <Omega> actually... check out freespeech.sourceforge.net/overflow=
.html
[09:16] <steveb> as long as plugins can feed events to any other plugins
[09:16] <Omega> rather, if you're on the mailing list, you already have t=
hat mail...
[09:16] <steveb> i've seen that - looks good
[09:17] <Omega> yeah, though they're definitely at a much smaller granula=
rity
[09:17] <Omega> I'd have to play with it some more....
[09:19] <steveb> i've found that if you mix control flow and data flow in=
 the same graph diagram then things get unmanagable when complexity grows
[09:19] <Omega> yeah, doesn't surprise me
[09:21] <steveb> then if you add GUI elements into the same graph then yo=
u're screwed (aka Ircam's Max)
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[09:26] <Omega> @#^#$@% X
[09:28] <steveb> :)
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[09:42] <Uraeus> morning
[09:42] <Uraeus> omega?
[09:55] <Omega> ?
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[10:04] <Omega> yo
[10:07] Action: Omega is in need of sleep
[10:07] <Omega> be back in the morning some time....
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[10:17] <steveb> holger: you based in Berlin?
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[10:25] <tool-man> yo
[10:26] <steveb> hi
[10:26] <tool-man> hiya steveb
[10:26] <tool-man> how well do you understand gstreamer internals, specif=
ically the osssink?
[10:32] <steveb> a bit, ask away
[10:36] <tool-man> how is it that I can run 4 seperate gstreamer apps tha=
t all use osssink simultaneiously?  I'm used to only being able to run on=
e app that grabs the sound device at a time
[10:38] <tool-man> not that I'm complaining
[10:45] <steveb> hmm, does it mix the outputs?
[10:47] <tool-man> I dunno
[10:48] Action: tool-man needs to go to bed
[10:50] <tool-man> g'night, steve...I'll prolly just fire off an email to=
 the list with my question
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[11:04] <holger> steveb: yes.
[11:04] <steveb> holger: how many work in Amsterdam?
[11:05] <holger> How do you mean this ?
[11:07] <steveb> www.convergence.de has some Amsterdam contacts - i just =
wondered how many work from Amsterdam
[11:08] <steveb> ah, the cryptolabs
[11:09] <holger> Ah, right. Not that many -- only two or three.
[11:10] <holger> Why do you ask ?
[11:18] <steveb> oh, just curious
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[11:19] <ajmitch> hi
[11:20] <Uraeus> hello
[11:20] <holger> hi
[11:20] <steveb> hey
[11:22] <ajmitch> what're people doing this fine day (or night)? ;)
[11:23] <Uraeus> just got out of bed and editing my Eazel interview :)
[11:24] <steveb> peering through the dutch fog
[11:24] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:24] <ajmitch> i just got back from a nice little bit of exercise up N=
E valley ;)
[11:24] <ajmitch> hmm, maybe people don't know where that is... ;)
[11:25] <Uraeus> probably :)
[11:25] <ajmitch> Uraeus: if you lived, or have lived, in Dunedin, you'd =
know ;)
[11:25] <Uraeus> ajmitch: think you struck at the heart of the issue ther=
e; lived in Dunedin :)
[11:26] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:26] <ajmitch> steveb: you lived here for a little while, didn't you?
[11:27] <steveb> ajmitch: nz? all my life, bar the last 6 months
[11:27] <ajmitch> steveb: you lived down south?
[11:28] <steveb> I grew up in Dunedin and left for uni
[11:28] <ajmitch> what time does wtay usually get online, btw?
[11:28] <ajmitch> steveb: yeah, thought so
[11:28] <steveb> after his work 1800+ CET
[11:28] <ajmitch> k
[11:29] <ajmitch> Uraeus: so i'm not the only poor soul from down here ;)
[11:32] <Uraeus> ajmitch: ever considered the fact that if it had been pe=
ople from South-America or Oceania who had colonized the world then we in=
 Europe would be the ones living 'down here' :)
[11:34] <steveb> maybe, i don't know what other sea-faring cultures thoug=
ht 'up' was
[11:35] <Uraeus> I would think most pepole would(if there was no outside =
influnce) consider their own side up
[11:35] <ajmitch> ah, it's all relative, doesn't matter much ;)
[11:36] <ajmitch> of course they'd consider their side to be up - also mu=
ch superior than the other
[11:37] <Uraeus> wonder if an equatorial culture would have depicted eart=
h with the poles to the left and right
[11:38] <ajmitch> who knows...
[11:38] <ajmitch> i see RMS has been talking to the Brazilian Congress ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> old news...
[11:39] <Uraeus> RMS:.......and so you see that GNOME themeing is the equ=
ivalent of the Rio carnival.....
[11:40] <ajmitch> umm, what? ;)
[11:40] <Uraeus> just taking out some highlights from the speech
[11:41] <ajmitch> he might have been talking to politicians, but they're =
not that bad, are they?
[11:41] <steveb> what was his point exactly?
[11:41] Action: Uraeus realises ajmitch probably hasn't spent much time w=
ith politicians
[11:41] <ajmitch> talking about free software, i think
[11:41] <ajmitch> Uraeus: true... ;)
[11:41] <ajmitch> Uraeus: only met a couple
[11:42] Action: Uraeus was active in norwegian politics for many years
[11:43] <ajmitch> heh, closest i got to politics was meeting Bill English=
, representative for the district i came from
[11:43] <steveb> ha!
[11:44] <ajmitch> Uraeus: many years? howold are you?
[11:44] <ajmitch> steveb: what?
[11:44] <Uraeus> 27
[11:44] <ajmitch> you were active as a student, i guess ;)
[11:44] <steveb> ajmitch: that was my opinion of Bill English
[11:45] <ajmitch> steveb: i gather you don't like him much ;)
[11:45] <Uraeus> ajmitch: actually I was mostly active before I started u=
niversity and a while after I finished, not so much during
[11:46] <steveb> i don't dislike him - i just think he is a fool
[11:50] <Uraeus> ok, mail sent to Ardour dev list
[11:51] <ajmitch> i should get my maths assignment done so i can spend th=
e rest of the night & morning coding ;)
[11:52] <Uraeus> Nice, the overflow project maintainer mailed us about co=
-operation
[11:52] <ajmitch> yeah, i saw that
[11:53] <ajmitch> it's good ;)
[11:54] Action: ajmitch is bored, let's start a flame war
[11:54] <Uraeus> the GStreamer snowball is rolling faster and faster :)
[11:54] <ajmitch> how long before GNOME rules the linux desktop? ;)
[11:54] <Uraeus> 6-7 months max
[11:55] <ajmitch> you reckon?
[11:55] <ajmitch> KDE is still damned good, and has a large following
[11:55] <Uraeus> true, but the release of KDE2 hasn't had any noticeable =
effect on GNOME's userbase
[11:55] <ajmitch> neither project seems to stand still, they both improve=
 at an impressive rate
[11:57] <Uraeus> well I think as time goes by GNOME's now very large base=
 of full time developers will start to show
[11:57] <ajmitch> but how likely is it that existing users will switch? i=
 think that the new users are very important
[11:58] <ajmitch> so the key is probably having GNOME as default for new =
users, and having it be userfriendly (not windows-like tho)
[11:58] <ajmitch> which is mainly the job of th distros, i guess...
[11:58] <Uraeus> yup
[11:59] <Uraeus> but the bundling deals that Eazel and Ximian strike with=
 computer manufactures are an important part of it too
[12:00] <ajmitch> yes, but how many users buy their pcs with GNU/Linux in=
stalled?
[12:00] <Uraeus> heh, will if they don't start doing to the question of b=
eing the leading Linux desktop is only of academic interest :)
[12:01] <Uraeus> s/will/well/  s/to/so/
[12:01] <ajmitch> the corporate desktop area is also a big market, this i=
s where GNOME will lead IMHO
[12:02] <Uraeus> true, but there the bundling deals will play a big role =
again
[12:02] <ajmitch> yup, this is probably the biggest area for bundling (co=
mpanies don't want to waste weeks configuring computers)
[12:03] <ajmitch> i wonder what the new computers in the CS lab at uni ru=
n? i know that they are P3-800 computers, running GNU/Linux
[12:03] <Uraeus> ajmitch: you better make sure they use the right choice =
:)
[12:04] <ajmitch> Uraeus: i don't get to use them till next year, i think=
 ;)
[12:05] <ajmitch> Uraeus: i guess you prefer GNOME then? ;)
[12:06] <Uraeus> ajmitch: heh, well lets just say me doing all those GNOM=
E related interviews isn't just a coincidence :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> Uraeus: hehe
[12:07] <Uraeus> need to buy some food, brb
[12:27] <Uraeus> ah, my mail has reached the gstreamer archive
[12:28] <ajmitch> ah, ok
[12:31] <ajmitch> Uraeus: you now a full gstreamer supporter, are you? ;)
[12:31] <ajmitch> Uraeus: unofficial marketing volunteer ;)
[12:32] <Uraeus> yup
[12:32] <Uraeus> something like that
[12:32] <ajmitch> do you think gstreamer will get accepted into the mains=
tream GNOME libs, or something like that?
[12:33] <Uraeus> yes, the fact that they accepted my proposal for invitin=
g Erik to speak at GUADEC is a strong sign
[12:34] <ajmitch> yes, i hope that it will be central to some of the GNOM=
E multimedia apps at some stage soon
[12:35] <ajmitch> but what about once they see Erik? ;)
[12:35] <ajmitch> omega_: ignore the logs at this point, if you read them=
 ;)
[12:36] <Uraeus> hehe, well another thing is that speaking with Bart Decr=
em of Eazel I know that they are looking into using GStreamer to add full=
 multimedia capabilites to Nautilus
[12:36] <ajmitch> hehe, that sounds very cool
[12:37] <Uraeus> and if GStreamer is used by Nautilus, then it is accepte=
d into the mainstream GNOME libs
[12:37] <ajmitch> and if overflow and gstreamer get togther as well, then=
 that will be good
[12:38] <ajmitch> i'm guessing that the API will need to be stabilised so=
on, and the glib 2.0 port will need to be done
[12:40] <Uraeus> yes, my hope is that when gstreamer is ported to glib2.0=
 it can start to get bundled with the GNOME2 development releases
[12:40] <ajmitch> yeah, i'll have to keep up with GNOME on CVS now...
[12:41] <ajmitch> i want to be able to help out with some of this porting=
 & testing
[13:23] <Uraeus> hmm, .ba where is that? Bahrain?
[13:24] <ajmitch> umm
[13:24] <ajmitch> what is full hostname?
[13:31] <Uraeus> djesi.ba (its the end of a mail adress)
[13:33] <ajmitch> domain:      DJESI.BA
[13:33] <ajmitch> descr:       Open Society Fund-The SOROS Foundations
[13:33] <ajmitch> descr:       Djenetica Cikma 2a
[13:33] <ajmitch> descr:       BA, 71000 Sarajevo
[13:33] <Uraeus> oh, Bosnia
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[13:34] <ajmitch> whois is good ;)
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[13:39] <Uraeus> holger: convergence don't seemt to have a good internet =
connection :)
[13:41] <ajmitch> hehe
[13:45] <Uraeus> ajmitch: did you think the mail I sent the Ardour develo=
pers and CC'ed the Gstreamer list was good? Or to put it differently woul=
d you get curious enough to look at GStreamer from reading it
[13:46] <ajmitch> yes, i think it was quite good, although i don't really=
 know what Ardour is
[13:46] <Uraeus> http://ardour.sourceforge.net
[13:46] <ajmitch> i'd say they'd be interested in anything that saves the=
m time, and improves their project
[13:47] Action: Uraeus nods
[13:47] <ajmitch> ah, i see.
[13:47] <Uraeus> I am really curious to what the response will be
[13:48] <steveb> I remember omega saying that technically, Mr Ardour is a=
 "rival"
[13:48] <ajmitch> they would probably be very interested in gstreamer the=
n ;)
[13:48] <ajmitch> hopefully positive
[13:48] <ajmitch> steveb: if projects can work together, then it is good
[13:49] <ajmitch> arts is a rival in a way
[13:49] <Uraeus> what is a bit bad is that the Alsa driver is broken curr=
ently, and the ardour people seems to be very Alsa oriented
[13:50] <ajmitch> yeah
[13:50] <holger> Uraeus: Nope; I just have to reboot my box sometimes bec=
ause I'm working on hardware drivers;
[13:50] <ajmitch> anyone here know how to interpret alsa source to fix th=
e driver? ;)
[13:51] <Uraeus> ajmitch: hmm, seems like you have to do it
[13:51] <ajmitch> Uraeus: umm, hehe ;)
[13:52] <ajmitch> Uraeus: i use the alsa kernel drivers, but that is the =
limit of my experience with it
[13:52] Action: ajmitch does not know why he uses alsa drivers on an ISA =
sb16pnp
[13:53] <Uraeus> ajmitch: but that is great! then it will be a learning e=
xperience for you when you fix the driver <g>
[13:53] <ajmitch> Uraeus: haha
[13:54] <Uraeus> talk about win/win situation
[13:55] <ajmitch> i wish i had the time to learn...
[13:55] <Uraeus> ajmitch: you do, remember time is relative
[13:56] <ajmitch> Uraeus: ;)
[13:56] <ajmitch> Uraeus: i think they'd want the driver fixed *fast*, th=
o
[14:08] <ajmitch> damn, i gotta get some sleep
[14:09] Nick change: ajmitch -> aj_zzzz
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[14:14] <Uraeus> hi zaheer
[14:15] <zaheer> hi Uraeus
[14:16] <zaheer> nice email to the Ardour guys
[14:16] <Uraeus> thanks
[14:20] <Uraeus> hmm, just noticed that I wrote irc.openprojects.org -not=
 sure if that is a valid irc servername
[14:22] <Uraeus> ok, mailed them a small update :)
[14:23] <zaheer> its .net :)
[14:23] <Uraeus> zaheer: cool thing that the Overflow author wants to wor=
k with us
[14:27] <zaheer> yes
[14:27] <zaheer> i saw their thing on gnotices
[14:27] <zaheer> and someone suggested to them on talkback that they shou=
ld work together with us
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[16:12] <sienap> i am just thinking...
[16:12] <sienap> i still never heard something negative about gstreamer :=
)
[16:12] <sienap> how cool
[16:13] <greg_> hi all
[16:13] <sienap> hi greg!
[16:14] <greg_> I think I am getting addicted to IRC ;) havent used it si=
nce 4 years till 2 weeks ago ;)
[16:15] <greg_> would you please explain me one thing: During compilation=
 of gstreamer stuff I have seen
[16:15] <greg_> some "v4l.*". The question is: is it possible for example=
, to get input from v4l device and
[16:16] <greg_> compress it into a stream than thur network to another co=
mp, uncompress and view ??? I mean: is it possible now ?
[16:16] <greg_> And what magic do I have to use to achieve it ?
[16:17] <sienap> he
[16:17] <sienap> hmm i think not really atm
[16:17] <sienap> but it should be done with:
[16:17] <sienap> somethingsink -> mpegenc -> rtpsink | rtpsrc -> mpegpars=
e -> mpegdec -> xvideosink
[16:17] <sienap> something like this
[16:18] <greg_> the idea I know, but how it is supposed to be configured =
in gstreamer ? Will I have to write my own program, or will I be given bo=
xes I could configure and put together with just a config file ?
[16:19] <greg_> own program that uses gstreamer as a library.
[16:23] <sienap> he you can make every pipeline with gstreamer-launcher
[16:23] <sienap> so you won't have to creat an new program
[16:23] <sienap> however it can be really neat ofcourse
[16:23] <sienap> :)
[16:23] <sienap> to make a nice program for it..
[16:23] <sienap> and it is also a great educatioln
[16:24] <greg_> thanks. I am no familiar with other gstreamer programs, t=
han gstmediaplay yet.
[16:25] <sienap> he :)
[16:25] <sienap> gstreamer-launcher is some kind of console thingy for ma=
king pipelines
[16:25] <sienap> a more nice gui would be gst-editor
[16:25] <sienap> or something
[16:25] <sienap> gsteditor even
[16:25] <sienap> however you still need to know how the pipelines are bui=
ld
[16:26] <greg_> I was thinking about sth like I have seen for sound proce=
ssing project using GTK (cant remmember its name )
[16:27] <sienap> he
[16:27] <sienap> maybe glame ?
[16:31] <greg_> I've been just loooooking for it at SF, but soory, cannot=
 find it. Remmember it has *very* nice GUI wirtten in GTK. Point and clic=
k, drag and drop kind of.
[16:31] <sienap> hej guys..
[16:31] <sienap> ehm oops :)
[16:31] <sienap> he
[16:32] <sienap> gui isn't the goal of gstreamer AT THIS MOMENT
[16:32] <sienap> there are more important issues
[16:32] <greg_> sienap: sure, you're right. I just wanted explain what I =
am thinking (dreaming?) about.
[16:33] <sienap> he ooh that isn't that difficult i think
[16:33] <sienap> ask zaheer about such things
[16:33] <sienap> he knows more about it
[16:33] <sienap> if it isn't possible ATM it will be really soon i guess
[16:36] <greg_> I've been programming GUIs since 3 years. And I know it t=
akes *very* much time to do it really userfriendly with all whistlers and=
 other stuff users like. But some nice and not too complicated helper app=
 would be nice.
[16:37] <sienap> he indeed but it doesn't has any piority atm
[16:37] <sienap> but however if you have this much experience with it :0
[16:37] <sienap> why don't you start coding nice things :)
[16:38] <BBB-zZz> what is the homepage of trinity again?
[16:39] Nick change: matth-gone -> matth
[16:40] <greg_> sienap: let me not telling you about my deadlines, shool,=
 work, and what I *am* doing in linux-related stuff. Sure I do something =
for community. As anyone.
[16:42] <sienap> let me look for ya bbb
[16:43] <sienap> can't find it
[16:43] <sienap> sorry
[16:44] <sienap> greg he it is ok :)
[16:44] <sienap> same here :)
[16:44] <sienap> doing shit as well
[16:45] <greg_> sienap: I see we understand each other. :)
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[17:09] Nick change: taazzzz -> taaz
[17:12] <BBB-zZz> ienap: np, I found it already
[17:12] <BBB-zZz> +s
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[18:28] <zaheer> i gotta go
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[18:31] <taaz> blah: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D=
2352&group_id=3D1  new sf dir layout... gotta update all our scripts and =
things before 5/1
[18:38] <taaz> hmm... trying to fix the FlowNetwork page
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[18:38] <taaz> netescape not doing the monospace thing
[18:38] <taaz> galeon works fine
[18:39] <BBB-zZz> steveb: how late and where will we meet saturday in a'd=
am?
[18:40] <taaz> any css experts here?  i have no idea what to try other th=
an what tim suggested...
[18:40] <BBB-zZz> css in the sense of dvd copyright protection or css in =
the sense of html style sheets?
[18:41] <taaz> style sheets
[18:41] <BBB-zZz> I have made a few stylesheets - if it's not too difficu=
lt I could help
[18:41] <taaz> you have netscape?
[18:41] <BBB-zZz> yups :(
[18:41] <BBB-zZz> and mozilla, and opera, and galeon, and links, and lynx=
, and...........
[18:41] <taaz> http://gstreamer.net/cgi-bin/wiki/moin.cgi/FlowNetwork
[18:42] <steveb> BBB-zZz: i live here so I can start and finish any time =
- it may depend on others travel plans
[18:42] <taaz> http://gstreamer.net/wiki/default.css
[18:43] <steveb> but it looks like we'll be meeting at http://www.apollof=
irst.nl/
[18:43] <taaz> those diagrams are using <pre class=3D"code">  I just adde=
d that font-family: monospace thing to pre.code in the css
[18:43] <BBB-zZz> taaz: it looks okay in nutscrape here
[18:43] <BBB-zZz> ns 4
[18:43] <taaz> it didn't fix anything
[18:43] <taaz> it does?
[18:44] <BBB-zZz> yups
[18:44] <taaz> hmm.  maybe it's being stupid and not reloading the styles=
heet...
[18:44] <BBB-zZz> what should not look good?
[18:44] <taaz> i dunno how to force that
[18:44] <taaz> the diagrams are not monospace on my screen
[18:44] Action: BBB-zZz corrects taaz: nutscrape, stupid and maybe in one=
 sentence is a lie - nutscrape is always stupid
[18:45] <BBB-zZz> the diagrams look okay here, just a bit smaller than in=
 mozilla
[18:45] <taaz> it's spelled "netescape" silly boy...
[18:45] <BBB-zZz> notsheep
[18:45] Action: taaz waves to _gst_newt_=20
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[18:47] <BBB-zZz> omega! :)
[18:47] <Omega> yo
[18:47] Action: BBB-zZz tries to find out where appollo first is
[18:50] Nick change: Omega -> omega-breakfast
[18:52] <matth> yo
[18:54] <taaz> yo, this versino of netscape is not dealing with that mono=
space
[18:55] <taaz> maybe its a font issue on my machine... this is just gener=
ic debian unstable stufff though hmm
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[19:02] <taaz> ok, i guess no one else cares... and i don't know how to f=
ix this.  so if those diagrams look like crap, too bad, use a non-broken =
browser
[19:03] Nick change: wtay-sleeping -> wtay
[19:03] <wtay> yo
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[19:03] <taaz> um.. what is the wiki2 dir for?
[19:12] <taaz> wtay, omega: before 5/1 need to change things that point t=
o /home/groups/gstreamer to /home/groups/g/gs/gstreamer
[19:17] <wtay> taaz: ok, I think we don't have anything pointing to that.=
..
[19:19] <taaz> well... the wiki was ;)
[19:20] <taaz> had a reference to python lib path
[19:20] <taaz> fixed
[19:20] Nick change: taaz -> taaz-working
[19:20] <wtay> ok
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[19:21] <zaheer> yo
[19:21] <wtay> yo
[19:21] Action: zaheer has had to change his flights to amsterdam...
[19:22] <zaheer> wtay: i was playing with the caps, can i ask you in a mi=
n about the caps process....
[19:22] <wtay> yup
[19:23] <zaheer> firstly is the property for number of channels called "c=
hannels"?
[19:24] <wtay> yes
[19:24] <wtay> zaheer: osssink has all the agreed properties
[19:26] <zaheer> aaah ok
[19:26] Action: zaheer goes to look at osssink
[19:27] <zaheer> aaah i like it :)
[19:27] <wtay> zaheer: that's because you agreed to it :)
[19:28] <zaheer> width =3D number of bits per sample per channel, yes? :)
[19:28] <zaheer> wtay: yah i did :)
[19:28] <wtay> sec...
[19:28] <wtay> http://gstreamer.net/docs/cvs/gst-plugin-writers-guide/cha=
-basic-types.html
[19:29] <wtay> width =3D total width of one sample
[19:29] <wtay> depth =3D bits actually used for the sample
[19:29] <zaheer> total width?
[19:29] <wtay> like I have 32 bits samples with 24 bit depth, 8 bits are =
unused
[19:30] <zaheer> aaah understood
[19:30] <zaheer> its the width i need to worry about for stereo2mono then=
 :)
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[19:32] <sienap> Hi
[19:32] <zaheer> for stereo2mono, my src pad gets the caps....all it requ=
ires is.. channels =3D 2
[19:33] <zaheer> however the element the sink pad is connected to might n=
ot like the other properties....
[19:34] <sienap> hej zaheer
[19:34] <sienap> did some coding ?
[19:34] <hadess> hi gang
[19:34] <zaheer> so i need it to negotiate with that element to see if pr=
operties ok, right?
[19:34] <hadess> wtay: i added the current list of problems in gstreamer =
in the GstApplication page on the wiki
[19:35] iGN_ (ig...@lo...) got netsplit.
[19:35] wtay (wi...@ca...) got netsplit.
[19:35] BBB-zZz (BB...@uc...) got netsplit.
[19:35] <zaheer> thats what the gst_pad_negotiate_proxy does, right?
[19:35] <zaheer> ouch...
[19:37] <steveb> zaheer: I think you will have to trigger nego on the oth=
er peer with the new caps whenever they change
[19:37] <steveb> ...except changing channels from 1 to 2 (or whatever)
[19:39] <zaheer> steveb: ok so when the src pad's negotiate is called, it=
 sets the props for sink pad and sends a negotiate to the peer of the sin=
k pad?
[19:40] <steveb> yeah, in theory - I haven't done this myself yet
[19:40] <steveb> but that is what wtay advised
[19:40] Nick change: omega-breakfast -> omega-laptophunting
[19:41] <zaheer> omega-laptophunting: i will now be arriving in amsterdam=
 at 9am rather than 10:40am due to unforseen booking probs
[19:41] <omega-laptophunting> ok
[19:41] <omega-laptophunting> are you flying in?
[19:41] <zaheer> yah
[19:42] <omega-laptophunting> ah, then we can meet at the airport
[19:42] <zaheer> probably a good idea
[19:42] Action: omega-laptophunting arrives at 8:35
[19:42] <zaheer> thankfully i dont have any luggage
[19:42] <omega-laptophunting> heh, I will ;-(
[19:42] <zaheer> i can also try and smuggle a whiteboard on the plane if =
wanted :)
[19:43] <zaheer> im sure they'll let me bring an A2 sized whiteboard into=
 the plane
[19:44] <steveb> can you score some pens too?
[19:44] Action: zaheer wonders how he'd recognise omega
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[19:45] #gstreamer: mode change '+o wtay' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ
[19:46] iGN_ (ig...@lo...) got lost in the net-split.
[19:46] BBB-zZz (BB...@uc...) got lost in the net-split.
[19:46] <ajmitch> hi
[19:46] Nick change: omega-laptophunting -> omega-haslaptop
[19:46] <steveb> should I book a restaurant for sat night?
[19:46] <omega-haslaptop> steveb: actually, yeah <g>
[19:46] #gstreamer: mode change '-o wtay' by wtay!wim@cable-195-162-214-1=
98.upc.chello.be
[19:46] <zaheer> yah i can bring pens :)
[19:46] <omega-haslaptop> zaheer: if you can
[19:47] <steveb> what cuisine do people like
[19:47] <omega-haslaptop> zaheer: I'll send you a pic
[19:47] Action: matth wishes he could go
[19:47] <zaheer> i am vegetarian...
[19:47] Action: steveb is partial to thai and indian
[19:47] <zaheer> indian would be good :)
[19:47] <omega-haslaptop> zaheer: I'll be on Northwest Air 34, from Seatt=
le
[19:47] <ajmitch> hehe, i'd better like indian food ;)
[19:47] Action: omega-haslaptop is wary of thai, likes indian reasonably =
well
[19:48] <omega-haslaptop> zaheer: we can mee at the luggage carousel, sin=
ce you'll get there about the same time I finally find my luggage <g>
[19:48] <ajmitch> poor me doesn't get to meet you people, and has to sett=
le for meeting others in India ;(
[19:49] <zaheer> yah ok omega
[19:49] <zaheer> omega-haslaptop: i have an easyjet flight from london lu=
ton
[19:49] <zaheer> i used to have british midland from heathrow but the tra=
vel agent lost the good fare
[19:49] <omega-haslaptop> doh
[19:50] <zaheer> it arrives amsterdam 8:30am
[19:50] <zaheer> not 9am
[19:50] <omega-haslaptop> ah, even better <g>
[19:50] <omega-haslaptop> what flight number is yours?
[19:51] <zaheer> easyjet flight 223
[19:51] <omega-haslaptop> ok, we can try to meet in the gate area
[19:51] <zaheer> i am departing at 22:15 from amsterdam at night, so if p=
oss dinner should start like 6-7pm
[19:51] <omega-haslaptop> and if we can't do that, we can meet in baggage=
 claim
[19:54] <zaheer> yah
[19:54] <zaheer> omega-haslaptop: youre flight number 34?
[19:55] <steveb> i haven't been here but have been told that the Balti Ho=
use is nice http://www.timeout.com/amsterdam/eat/Restaurants/Indian.html
[19:56] Action: zaheer looks at the page
[19:57] Action: zaheer is Indian....
[19:57] <zaheer> sounds good from the web page :)
[19:57] <omega-haslaptop> zaheer: yeah, Northwest Air
[19:57] <steveb> just had a recommendation from a vege
[19:58] Action: omega-haslaptop has to go deal with some stuff now, will =
be back in ~2hrs
[19:58] <omega-haslaptop> email me if there are any issues pending
[19:58] <zaheer> steveb: cool i'll go for it
[19:58] Nick change: omega-haslaptop -> omega-away
[19:59] <zaheer> i gotta go eat and then head to the mosque
[20:00] <zaheer> ill be back probably 10pm BST
[20:00] <zaheer> thx steveb regarding the caps stuff...i will try that..
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[20:21] <sienap> mosque ?
[20:21] <ajmitch> sienap: he's gone, you know ;)
[20:22] <wtay> sienap: a kinda church... <g>
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[20:24] <sienap> =A0yeah i know :)
[20:24] <sienap> "moskee" :)
[20:24] <sienap> he bad anough :)
[20:25] <wtay> some people are religious, live with it :)
[20:26] <sienap> he :)
[20:26] <sienap> yeah :)
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[20:41] <wtay> yo
[20:47] <z-> why might migth the plugins be building only static librarie=
s?
[20:47] <wtay> z-: what do you mean?
[20:47] <z-> all the plugins are only built as static libraries
[20:48] <z-> which kind of defeats the point ;)
[20:48] <wtay> they aren't...
[20:48] <z-> hm they are on mine
[20:48] <wtay> no .so files?
[20:48] <z-> im building on freebsd, and i did all that auto crap
[20:48] <z-> nope
[20:48] <wtay> hmm that's abug then
[20:48] <z-> this is 0.1.1, not CVS
[20:49] <z-> i wish i knew more about libtool/automake :)
[20:49] <wtay> ok, we always used dynamic libs so something must be wrong=
...
[20:50] <wtay> did you also check .libs/*.so ?
[20:50] <z-> erm
[20:50] Action: z- slaps z-
[20:50] <wtay> :-)
[20:50] <hadess> z-: there's a freebsd fix in CVS already afaik
[20:50] <wtay> yeah, autoconf and libtool stuff..
[20:50] <sienap> aah doh
[20:50] <wtay> hadess: not yet... have to merge it still...
[20:50] <z-> hadess, fix for what ? i had modify quite a bit
[20:51] Action: hadess joins #kernelnewbies
[20:51] <z-> s/had/had to
[20:51] <wtay> checking...
[20:51] <sienap> z- always check the newest >:)=20
[20:51] <z-> i have an untested dvd patch if you want it :)
[20:52] <z-> i wanted to see if the stable version would work before i tr=
ied cvs
[20:52] <wtay> mostly build patches AFAICT in the patch I have...
[20:52] <z-> if it works ok, i'll submit a port
[20:52] <wtay> remove the cdrom and osssink stuff etc..
[20:52] <wtay> z-: cool
[20:52] <z-> i got the cdrom/dvd stuff working, i think
[20:53] <z-> just the v4l i think didn't compile obviously
[20:54] <wtay> the patch I have just excludes it from building
[20:56] <z-> is the cdrom plugin only in cvs?
[20:56] <wtay> no
[20:56] <wtay> vcdsrc
[20:56] <z-> oh
[20:57] <wtay> uses some lowlevel ioctls
[20:57] <z-> yeh i must be on craq, i didn't get that working
[20:57] <z-> ;)
[20:58] <wtay> excluded from the build here...
[20:58] Action: z- pulls out his lame linux/bsd cd player source code
[20:59] <wtay> it a video cd src so it requires something else I think...
[20:59] <z-> oh
[20:59] <wtay> yeah
[20:59] <wtay> cdparanoia is out cd src element :-)
[20:59] <wtay> s/out/our
[21:00] <z-> ah :)
[21:00] <z-> cdparanoia isn't ported to bsd
[21:00] <z-> would it be possible to rwite a dropin replacement ?
[21:01] <sienap> if you want to :)
[21:01] <z-> funky
[21:02] <sienap> ask wtay :)
[21:04] <wtay> sure go ahead :)
[21:05] <hadess> z-: cdparanoia IV will be out soon, the cdparanoia webpa=
ge was updated 2 days ago to state that work is still going on
[21:05] <hadess> cdparanoia will support *bsd and solaris afaik
[21:05] <z-> sweet
[21:06] <hadess> damn, soundbox just rocks =3D)
[21:07] <hadess> i'm adding cddb support now
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[22:23] <wtay> cool!
[22:23] <wtay> got one rented
[22:23] <wtay> ?
[22:23] <omega_> nope, borrowed
[22:23] <wtay> good
[22:24] <wtay> compatible HD?
[22:24] <omega_> my hd
[22:24] <omega_> so yes
[22:25] <wtay> got v4lsrc->xvideosink working with caps nego
[22:25] <omega_> cool
[22:25] Action: omega_ has to go do some more stuff, then head home
[22:25] <omega_> be back l8r
[22:25] <wtay> ok l8r
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[23:13] <Uraeus> howdy
[23:13] <matth> hola
[23:26] <hds-tv> hey Uraeus, i'll some more screenshots for you soon =3D)
[23:26] <Uraeus> nice :)
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[23:38] <sienap> Boe :)
[23:40] <Uraeus> hi sienap
[23:40] Nick change: wtay-tv -> wtay
[23:40] <wtay> yo sienap
[23:40] <sienap> wtay!
[23:40] <sienap> ureaus!
[23:40] <sienap> wtay-tv.. you must be kidding me :)
[23:40] <wtay> hadess: ?
[23:40] <wtay> sienap: hehe
[23:41] <Uraeus> sienap: are you good at makefile/configure coding?
[23:42] <sienap> haha
[23:42] <sienap> nope :)
[23:42] <sienap> i always make an plain simpel makefile
[23:42] <sienap> without autoconf / make
[23:42] <Uraeus> Hmm, I was just thinking that gnome menu entries should =
be added to the gstreamer applications
[23:43] <wtay> hadess: you there?
[23:45] <Uraeus> wtay: If I make .desktop files, icons and a patch to put=
 them in the correct places in the source tree, will you modify the make =
files to install them at 'make install'?
[23:46] <wtay> Uraeus: I would...
[23:46] <wtay> It does tie us 100% to GNOME though...
[23:46] <Uraeus> wtay: the .desktop files is the same ones KDE uses
[23:47] <wtay> good :)
[23:47] <wtay> I didn't know that, are they the same?
[23:47] <wtay> cool
[23:47] <Uraeus> yes, it was one of the few co-operation successstories
[23:47] <wtay> hehe
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[23:47] <wtay> yo
[23:47] <zaheer> yo
[23:48] <Uraeus> wtay: that is why you can have a KDE tree in your GNOME =
menu
[23:48] <wtay> Uraeus: nice..
[23:49] <wtay> I'm going to check in the X videosink
[23:49] <zaheer> wtay: it is gst_negotiate_proxy if called on src pad and=
 you wanna make sure peer of sink pad is fine with it?
[23:49] <wtay> nowhere near completion thoug but it is able to show somet=
hing
[23:49] <zaheer> if called =3D if negotiate called
[23:49] <Uraeus> wtay: will you or omega reply to the Overflow developer?
[23:50] <wtay> zaheer: yes
[23:50] <wtay> Uraeus: not sure...
[23:50] <Uraeus> wtay: not sure who, or if?
[23:51] <wtay> Uraeus: not sure what to reply...
[23:51] <zaheer> Overflow looks interesting
[23:51] <wtay> I didn't look at it yet...
[23:51] <zaheer> i saw it the other day on gnotices
[23:52] <zaheer> someone mentioned on the talkback/comments that they sho=
uld talk with gstreamer guys
[23:52] <wtay> zaheer: i short, what is it like?
[23:52] <zaheer> or something to taht effect
[23:52] <Uraeus> wtay: if nothing else ask if there is something that nee=
ds doing for him to hook Overflow onto GStreamer
[23:53] <wtay> ok I'll do that
[23:53] <zaheer> it seems to use neural nets
[23:54] <zaheer> to do fancy stuff
[23:54] <zaheer> like improve speech recognition
[23:54] <wtay> hmm
[23:55] <wtay> not really media then
[23:55] <wtay> more like signal processing
[23:55] <zaheer> its very audio driven
[23:55] <zaheer> yes
[23:56] <sienap> wtay did you code something today ?
[23:56] <wtay> this would typically be a gst plugin then
[23:56] <wtay> sienap: capsnego on v4lsrc and xvideosink
[23:56] <zaheer> yes more of a dsp approach
[23:57] <sienap> he cool :)
[23:57] <zaheer> the flow network they are talking about is the nodes of =
their neural net by the looks of it
[23:57] <wtay> zaheer: yes
[23:58] <sienap> hej ureaus
[23:58] <sienap> media guru :)
[23:58] <zaheer> so yes it sounds like it would be a useful toolkit to cr=
eate intelligent plugins
[23:58] <wtay> zaheer: it looks like the granularity of the algo's is muc=
h finer
[23:58] <sienap> ureaus i've got something for u
[23:58] <Uraeus> sienap: what?
[23:59] <sienap> moment
[23:59] <Uraeus> free beer?
[23:59] <sienap> glame.sourceforge.net
[23:59] <sienap> send an cool email on their MAILING list
[23:59] <sienap> :)
[23:59] Action: zaheer wonders if they have duplicated some of the work t=
he Sphix project has done
[23:59] <sienap> i already mailt the author
[23:59] <sienap> and he wanted to hear some reactions of the users
[00:00] --- Fri Mar 30 2001
[00:00] <Uraeus> sienap: the glame author?
[00:01] <sienap> uraeus ?
[00:01] <sienap> nope the mailing list
[00:01] <sienap> mail their mailing list
[00:01] <sienap> with one of your superB emails
[00:01] Action: zaheer reputs in the negotiate_proxy into his stere2mono =
plugins
[00:01] <Uraeus> sienap: no, I meant it was the Glame author you mailed?
[00:01] <sienap> btw i think they almost directly can implent there filte=
rs..
[00:02] <sienap> yes
[00:02] <zaheer> wtay: it looks like i'm about 80% to go to Copenhagen....
[00:02] <Uraeus> sienap: ok I make a mail for them to :)
[00:02] <sienap> btw evolution is getting really cool
[00:02] <Uraeus> zaheer: please come!
[00:03] <sienap> they are now working on a "meetings" planner or somethin=
g
[00:03] <sienap> ureaus he great :)
[00:03] <sienap> i was 100% sure about going to Copenhagen
[00:03] <sienap> he but now 100% sure i won't :(
[00:03] <Uraeus> sienap: what?
[00:04] <zaheer> Uraeus: i am provisionally booked saturday morning arriv=
al early morning and depart monday morning....is there anything happening=
 on monday that would be beneficial to stay till later in day?
[00:05] <Uraeus> zaheer: well a bunch of us is planning on going around C=
openhagen and look at the sights
[00:05] <Uraeus> sienap: better be a good excuse :)
[00:05] <zaheer> on monday right?
[00:05] <Uraeus> zaheer: yes, monday
[00:06] <zaheer> ok coz it doesnt matter to me whether i come back monday=
 morning or evening as i will be paying the hotel fare for sunday night r=
egardless
[00:06] <zaheer> so if you guys are planning to visit the city, i'll join=
 you
[00:06] <Uraeus> zaheer: ok, great!
[00:07] <sienap> ureaus some uncool stuff on school
[00:07] <sienap> they decided to dislike me because i was comming to less=
 or something
[00:08] <Uraeus> sienap: bad, no chance to just come sat+Sun for instance=
?
[00:08] <zaheer> wtay: has <gst/meta/audioraw.h> moved?
[00:09] Action: zaheer wonders why he has this file included in stereo2mo=
no.h :)
[00:10] <zaheer> MetaAudioRaw meta; <---- /me wonders if needed in the st=
ruct, probably not....
[00:10] <zaheer> been replaced by caps...
[00:10] <zaheer> of the pad
[00:11] <zaheer> Uraeus: you're involved in other parts of gnome right?
[00:12] Action: zaheer saw a Gnotice of Gnome 1.4 beta coming from Uraeus
[00:12] <Uraeus> zaheer: yes, I do some website content stuff, and there =
are rumours about me doing news and articles :)
[00:12] <zaheer> yes, those rumours are completely unfounded :)
[00:13] <Uraeus> zaheer: the GNOME Office pages at gnome.org is my work=20
[00:13] Action: zaheer goes to look
[00:13] <hadess> wtay: sorry what is it ?
[00:13] <Uraeus> http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/
[00:14] <hadess> wtay: i'm coding
[00:14] <hadess> wtay: i was i mean...
[00:14] <Uraeus> <g>
[00:14] <wtay> hmm, sorry, was answering mail...
[00:15] <wtay> zaheer: audioraw is gone..
[00:15] <hadess> so, you'd like me to test the new xvideosink, right ?
[00:15] <wtay> hadess: right, and the v4lsrc that has been adjusted
[00:15] <zaheer> wtay: as part of the caps stuff right?
[00:15] <Uraeus> zaheer: if you click on the technologies link you will s=
ee GStreamer there
[00:15] <wtay> hadess: it'll break your app so be carefull
[00:15] <wtay> zaheer: yes
[00:16] <sienap> WOOW
[00:16] <sienap> the print preview of the calendar thingy in evolution is=
 NEATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt
[00:16] <hadess> wtay: would i need to change much stuff ?
[00:16] <wtay> hadess: not really I think, depends...
[00:17] <vektor> hey, i've always wondered this.  is there a standard fla=
g to pass to a configure script to enable debugging (put -g in the cflags=
 and cxxflags)?
[00:17] <wtay> ar you only using v4lsrc->xvideosink?
[00:17] <wtay> zaheer: videoraw is also dying..
[00:18] <zaheer> wtay: cool i like these changes, makes it cleaner :)
[00:18] <hadess> wtay: no, v4lsrc -> tee -> videosink right now
[00:18] <wtay> zaheer: yup
[00:18] <wtay> hadess: ok, tee doesn't do capsnego so it'll break for sur=
e
[00:18] <hadess> wtay: i'll disable it to test that
[00:19] <wtay> hadess: you might want to keep the other branch too
[00:19] <zaheer> wtay: does queue do capsnego yet?
[00:19] <wtay> zaheer: yes
[00:19] <wtay> zaheer: just _proxy it
[00:19] Action: zaheer smiles, very thoughtful :)
[00:19] <wtay> zaheer: I mean, it just _proxies
[00:19] <wtay> zaheer: I always keep gstmediaplay in a working state so...
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[00:20] <zaheer> :)
[00:21] <hadess> wtay: the other branch ? heh, cp vanity.c vanity.c.old :=
P
[00:21] <zaheer> as rtpsink doesnt care on the caps, it doesnt need to be=
 changed, right?
[00:21] <wtay> ok there we go... I'm going to sleep soon so if these chan=
ges don't work right away...
[00:21] <wtay> zaheer: nope
[00:21] <hadess> wtay: you're overestimating my coding setup
[00:22] <wtay> hadess: I mean the gst directory :-)
[00:22] <hadess> too late then
[00:22] <wtay> hadess: I hope you can live a few days with a non function=
al vanity.c then :-)
[00:23] <hadess> wtay: i just hope it will work for guadec =3D)
[00:23] <hadess> wtay: i'll be "showcasing" my apps there
[00:23] <wtay> hadess: hum
[00:24] <wtay> hadess: you know how to put pressure on a man, don't you? =
:-)
[00:24] <zaheer> the pad passed to the negotiate function is of the pad w=
ho's been asked to negotiate right?
[00:24] <wtay> zaheer: _renegotiate?
[00:24] <hadess> Mem:    318116K total,   316944K used <- damn it, i need=
 more
[00:25] <zaheer> the negotiate function that you set for a pad
[00:25] <zaheer> thats passed a GstPad* as first param
[00:25] <wtay> oh ok, yes thats the pad that is going to be negotiated
[00:26] <zaheer> cool
[00:26] <wtay> commited my changes
[00:26] <hadess> wtay: heh, the reputation of gstreamer is in your hands =
:)
[00:26] Action: zaheer smiles at hadess
[00:26] <hadess> wtay: oh, is it xvideosink that i should use now ?
[00:26] <wtay> I have a reputation for breaking stuff hard :-)
[00:27] <wtay> hadess: just a sec...
[00:27] <wtay> hadess: a test program is commited
[00:27] <wtay> hadess: try to run it.. <g>
[00:28] <wtay> hadess: and report the errors... :)
[00:28] <hadess> wtay: mpeg2dec plugin compilation failed
[00:28] <wtay> hmm
[00:29] <hadess> that might be because i don't have it installed
[00:29] <wtay> yeah, it compiles fine here
[00:30] <hadess> i don't have the library installed, and ./configure didn=
't detect it
[00:30] <wtay> the code is fine in condigure.in though...
[00:30] <wtay> ./autogen.sh?
[00:31] <hadess> wtay: from clean tree
[00:31] <wtay> don't forget to do cvs update -P
[00:31] <wtay> ah ok
[00:31] <wtay> does configure report success with the mpeg2dec library ch=
eck then.
[00:32] <hadess> i have only 1000 lines scroll, which is not enough to se=
e that
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[00:32] <zaheer_> stupid isp :)
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or zaheer[tnt-16-137.easynet.co.uk]
[00:32] <hadess> removing it for now
[00:32] <wtay> ok
[00:32] <hadess> so that we can test the new videosink
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[00:33] Action: hadess shivers
[00:33] <wtay> zaheer_: is capsnego clear enough for you?
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[00:34] <zaheer_> wtay: still a few grey areas
[00:34] <zaheer_> i need to actually experiment...
[00:35] <zaheer_> which is why im doing stereo2mono and ulaw-enc using it
[00:35] <wtay> zaheer_: so do I :)
[00:36] <zaheer_> but your converter2.c is a good start
[00:36] <wtay> ok
[00:36] <hadess> man, libcdaudio is _so_ badly documented
[00:37] <zaheer_> once ive done these plugins i might write somin about t=
he process using stereo2mono as an example and how capsnego works, for th=
e documentation
[00:37] <wtay> zaheer_: perfect
[00:37] <zaheer_> wtay: i appreciate all the time youve given me with thi=
s, its invaluable
[00:37] <wtay> no prob
[00:38] <Uraeus> night=20
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[00:38] <zaheer_> night uraeus
[00:38] Action: zaheer_ swears at himself....
[00:39] <zaheer_> i got the pads the wrong way round :P
[00:39] <wtay> capsnego usage has so many possibilities..
[00:39] <wtay> doh
[00:39] <hadess> ** WARNING **: gstprops: unknown props id found
[00:39] <zaheer_> that explains somin major :)
[00:39] <wtay> whooa
[00:40] <wtay> when?
[00:40] <hadess> hold on
[00:41] <wtay> zaheer_: v4lsrc and xvideosink capsnego is pretty neat alr=
eady..
[00:44] <zaheer_> nice
[00:45] Action: zaheer_ looks at the gstqueue.c and converter2.c....
[00:45] Nick change: hadess -> |
[00:45] <|> #0  0xff7dd38 in g_on_error_stack_trace () from /usr/lib/libg=
lib-1.2.so.0
[00:45] <|> #1  0xf6e7b5c in gst_default_error_handler () at gstinfo.c:30=
8
[00:45] <|> #2  0xf6fa1e4 in gst_bin_schedule_func () at gstscheduler.c:3=
21
[00:45] <|> #3  0xf6dece0 in gst_bin_create_plan_func (bin=3D0x1006e348) =
at gstbin.c:618
[00:45] <|> #4  0xf6df9c4 in gst_bin_create_plan () at gstbin.c:889
[00:45] <|> #5  0xf6dc5dc in gst_bin_change_state (element=3D0x1006e348) =
at gstbin.c:263
[00:45] <|> #6  0xf6e546c in gst_element_set_state () at gstelement.c:484
[00:45] <|> #7  0x10001e68 in main (argc=3D1, argv=3D0x7ffff9cc) at video=
test2.c:73
[00:45] Nick change: | -> hadess
[00:46] <zaheer_> brb
[00:46] <wtay> hadess: ?
[00:47] <wtay> gstreamer-inspect xvideosink?
[00:47] <hadess> removed all the old libraries, and reinstalling, it segf=
aults badly right now
[00:50] <wtay> doing a complete rebuild
[00:50] <hadess> you are ?
[00:50] <wtay> yeah
[00:54] <hadess> damn, i should have disabled the docs
[00:56] <wtay> hadess: do you have Xv?
[00:56] <hadess> yep
[00:56] <wtay> good
[00:57] <hadess> doesn't load the plugins properly :/
[00:58] <wtay> hmm
[00:58] <hadess> ldconfig'd, registered
[00:58] <wtay> what does -register say?
[00:59] <hadess> stuff like:
[00:59] <hadess> INFO:gst_plugin_load_absolute:366: plugin "ossaudio" loa=
ded: 2 elements, 0 typesINFO:gst_plugin_load_all:230: loading plugins fro=
m /usr/local/lib/gst
[00:59] <hadess> that;s the end of the first part
[00:59] <hadess> and then
[00:59] <hadess> ** CRITICAL **: file gststaticautoplugrender.c: line 90 =
(plugin_init): assertion `plugin !=3D NULL' failed.
[00:59] <wtay> oh
[00:59] <hadess> for every plugin listed above
[00:59] <hadess> i should do somethign ?
[00:59] <wtay> ok, that's because you installed them
[01:00] <wtay> they are loaded from the src dir and the installed dir
[01:00] <wtay> you don't have to make install gstreamer
[01:00] <wtay> but it's not critical
[01:00] <wtay> brb
[01:00] <hadess> so it tries to load twice, right ?
[01:01] <hadess> #0  0xff7dd38 in g_on_error_stack_trace () from /usr/lib=
/libglib-1.2.so.0
[01:01] <hadess> #1  0xf6e7b5c in gst_default_error_handler () at gstinfo=
.c:308
[01:01] <hadess> #2  0xf6fa1e4 in gst_bin_schedule_func () at gstschedule=
r.c:321
[01:01] <hadess> #3  0xf6dece0 in gst_bin_create_plan_func (bin=3D0x1006e=
348) at gstbin.c:618
[01:01] <hadess> #4  0xf6df9c4 in gst_bin_create_plan () at gstbin.c:889
[01:01] <hadess> #5  0xf6dc5dc in gst_bin_change_state (element=3D0x1006e=
348) at gstbin.c:263
[01:01] <hadess> #6  0xf6e546c in gst_element_set_state () at gstelement.=
c:484
[01:01] <hadess> #7  0x10001e68 in main (argc=3D1, argv=3D0x7ffff9cc) at =
videotest2.c:73
[01:01] <hadess> on launching videotest2
[01:02] <zaheer_> does gst_caps_copy deep-copy the caps object?
[01:04] <wtay> hadess: yup
[01:04] <wtay> zaheer_: sorta
[01:04] Action: omega-away is starting to pack
[01:04] Nick change: omega-away -> omega-packing
[01:05] <hadess> wtay: do you know what could be the bad here ?
[01:05] <wtay> hadess: it looks like some element is not loaded...
[01:05] <wtay> gstreamer-inspect xvideosink?
[01:05] <zaheer_> wtay: sorta means, if i set a property on copy, will it=
 affect orig?
[01:05] <wtay> zaheer_: nope
[01:05] <djcb> hey omega; did you get my mail (european tour etc.)?
[01:05] <zaheer_> omega-packing: all you need for europe is a heavy jacke=
t? :)
[01:06] <omega-packing> zaheer_: um.... I'll be wearing a green PSU Vikin=
gs sweatshirt probably
[01:06] <omega-packing> hehehe
[01:06] <zaheer_> omega-packing: ill be wearing a red baseball cap
[01:06] <zaheer_> with black writing saying DEKRA
[01:06] <zaheer_> its Michael Schumacher's baseball cap
[01:06] <omega-packing> ok, I could do the same, I think I have a redhat =
cap somewhere
[01:06] <wtay> and a gstreamer flag...
[01:07] <omega-packing> or better yet, I'll wear my tan RidegRun cap
[01:07] Action: omega-packing needs to look at the logos Brock emailed me=
, and post them
[01:07] <omega-packing> will do that now before wtay and others sleep
[01:07] <zaheer_> and if i can sweettalk check-in and the stewardess i wi=
ll have a whiteboard underneah my arms
[01:07] <omega-packing> good luck <g>
[01:07] <hadess> wtay: no such element or plugin 'xvideosink'
[01:07] <djcb> omega-packing: ?
[01:07] <wtay> ah
[01:08] <zaheer_> i will however definitely have a bulky black backpack
[01:08] <hadess> wtay: i have a videosink though
[01:08] <omega-packing> ah, djcb, um, which one? <g>
[01:08] <omega-packing> checking mail now
[01:08] <wtay> hadess: ok manually enter the plugins/xvideosink dir and b=
uild <g>
[01:08] <zaheer_> cant go without the laptop :)
[01:08] <hadess> wtay: i don't have any xvideosink subdir
[01:08] <wtay> hadess: you did cvs update -P?
[01:09] <hadess> wtay: yup, i think it didn't get in the first update i d=
id
[01:09] <wtay> cvs update -d sorry
[01:09] <hadess> lemme do that again
[01:09] <omega-packing> I do -dPA
[01:09] <djcb> omega-packing: sent you mail on Tuesday; see you on Monday=
?!
[01:09] <zaheer_> omega-packing: if i cant find you in baggage claim i wi=
ll put an announcement for Erik from RidgeRun,Seattle :P
[01:09] <omega-packing> djcb: searching , monday sounds good
[01:09] <wtay> omega-packing: are you going to be online soon?
[01:10] <omega-packing> I'll be online for a few more minutes (on my desk=
top)
[01:10] <omega-packing> djcb: sounds good.  8pm it is
[01:10] <zaheer_> wtay: possible return values for negotiate_proxy are sa=
me as the pad's negotiation function?
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[01:10] <wtay> zaheer_: yes
[01:10] <zaheer_> omega-packing: whens your flight?
[01:10] <wtay> yo ajmitch
[01:10] <djcb> omega-packing: great! i'll send you more detailed directio=
ns and so on...
[01:11] <ajmitch> hey
[01:11] <omega-packing> zaheer_: since we arrive 5min from each other, we=
 can try to meet at the gate(s) first
[01:11] <omega-packing> 8:35am
[01:11] <omega-packing> djcb: cool
[01:11] <omega-packing> djcb: I might even have a bike to ride to the thi=
ng on <g>
[01:11] <wtay> zaheer_: make sure you can get to GUADEC too...
[01:11] <zaheer_> omega-packing: yah i will try and get to your gate....a=
msterdam airport is pretty big so we may have gates 10 mins apart
[01:11] <omega-packing> djcb: sister's address is:
[01:11] <omega-packing> Van Swietenstraat 80   =20
[01:11] <omega-packing> 2518 SL Den Haag       =20
[01:12] <omega-packing> zaheer_: true
[01:12] <omega-packing> baggage claim if all else fails, obviously the ca=
rousel for my flight, since you don't have baggage <g>
[01:12] <zaheer_> yah :)
[01:12] <zaheer_> pretty convenient our flights arrive almost same time
[01:13] <djcb> omega-packing: ack.
[01:13] <zaheer_> has meeting place been set yet?
[01:13] <wtay> isn't here a meeting point in the airport too?
[01:14] <zaheer_> wtay: that is true....but i havent a clue where that is=
 :)
[01:14] <omega-packing> djcb: ?
[01:14] <omega-packing> wtay: could be
[01:14] <wtay> zaheer_: it's marked with great big signs probably.. :)
[01:14] <zaheer_> wtay: thats where the announcer announces ppl to go to
[01:15] <ajmitch> wtay: got the FD logs sorted yet? :)
[01:15] Action: zaheer_ recalls schippol being HUGE :)
[01:15] Action: omega-packing keeps reaching for the wrong keyboard
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