From: IRC B. <wt...@us...> - 2002-03-01 05:29:19
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******************************************************************* [03:00] Action: RageMax is back (gone 01:00:32) [03:14] <wingo> prolly not [03:14] <wingo> but we were linked to enough, which is nice [03:21] idcmp (anakin@CPE0004ac25fca0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gstreamer. [03:22] idcmp (anakin@CPE0004ac25fca0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #gstreamer ("Client Exiting"). [04:40] chillywilly (~da...@d1...) joined #gstreamer. [04:48] walken (fo...@12...) joined #gstreamer. [04:48] <walken> boink [04:50] RageMax (~ra...@12...) left #gstreamer ("Client Exiting"). [05:07] walken (fo...@12...) left irc: "l8r" [05:27] mort_ (mo...@ny...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [05:33] <ds> taaz: ? [05:54] walken (fo...@12...) joined #gstreamer. [05:57] <ds> yo [05:57] <walken> hi ds :) [05:58] <walken> whats up ? [05:58] <ds> realizing that after 6 months of not doing anything, the things that I want done in gstreamer haven't been done [05:59] <tnt> ds: What do you want done? [06:00] <ds> most of it depends on omega's library optimization stuff [06:00] <tnt> The stuff that detects the CPU? [06:01] <ds> not really [06:02] <ds> I want to write optimization code, and there isn't a framework to put it in currently [06:02] <tnt> ic. [06:02] <tnt> Do you mean optimized towards a CPU?... or to a colorspace?... or what? [06:02] <ds> but i've decided recently that I'm not waiting. [06:03] <ds> I'm just going to write stuff in such a way that it can be plugged as a source-code component, i.e., a header file [06:03] <ds> CPU optimization [06:04] <tnt> ic [06:04] <tnt> Wnat type of plug-ins are you writing?... Audio? Video? 3D? Or what? [06:06] <ds> mainly optimizing audio and video codecs and filters [06:06] <tnt> ic [06:12] <ds> I also wouldn't mind if my test programs still worked =) [06:13] <tnt> :-) [06:14] <tnt> GStreamer needs alot better documentation. [06:14] <ds> I had about 30 gst-launch scripts that tested a lot of the plugins [06:15] <ds> about a month ago, but few of them work anymore =) [06:15] <ds> But I don't keep up much anymore [06:33] Vakor (ms...@c2...) got netsplit. [06:34] Vakor (~ms...@c2...) returned to #gstreamer. [06:34] CHW_away (pa...@te...) left irc: [06:36] chillywilly_ (~da...@d1...) joined #gstreamer. [06:38] chillywilly_ (da...@d1...) left irc: Client Quit [06:39] ChiefHighwater (~pa...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [06:42] rambaby (~tj...@hm...) joined #gstreamer. [06:44] chillywilly (da...@d1...) left irc: "brb" [06:44] chillywilly (~da...@d1...) joined #gstreamer. [06:45] timj (tj...@hm...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:49] chillywilly (da...@d1...) left irc: [06:52] <MSpin> say, how unstable is the CVS version? [07:16] <ChiefHighwater> MSpin:depends on what you're doin [07:17] <ChiefHighwater> sorry about that lag, been away [07:23] <MSpin> no prob [07:23] <MSpin> I'm pulling it down now.... [07:23] <ChiefHighwater> k [07:24] <MSpin> I really like the API design BTW:) [07:24] <ds> hmmm... gststandardscheduler.c doesn't compile for me [07:24] <ChiefHighwater> I'm really a nobody, but one of the main developers is in the room [07:25] <ChiefHighwater> the physical room, not this chat room [07:26] <MSpin> physical room? what's that?:) [07:26] <ChiefHighwater> hehe [07:27] <ChiefHighwater> right now it is full of hackers in desperate need of more caffiene [07:28] <MSpin> heh [07:28] ChiefHighwater (pa...@te...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:28] <ds> apparently his connection needs more caffeine as well [07:28] <MSpin> yeah [07:30] ChiefHighwater (~pa...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [07:30] <ChiefHighwater> that's what I get for bein online while we're workin on the firewall [07:31] <ds> who's in the room? [07:32] <ChiefHighwater> omega [07:32] Anch (~mi...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [07:33] <ChiefHighwater> theres someone from the room [07:33] <Anch> I am a hacker in need of weapons grade Caffieeeeeeeeeeeeennnnn [07:33] <ChiefHighwater> Ello 8-] [07:33] omega (~om...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [07:33] Action: ChiefHighwater uses peer pressure to get omega to join [07:33] Action: omega is dragged kicking and screaming into the channel while working on a firewall..... [07:33] <ds> guessing that you're not withing chucking distance [07:33] <omega> ds: of who? [07:33] Action: Anch Thinks we should take a magical trip to 7-11 [07:33] Action: omega picks up an AP [07:34] <ChiefHighwater> lol [07:34] <ds> of me [07:34] <omega> oh, hrm [07:34] <Anch> This is bad.. we are all sitting around a single table.. we could talk to one another in stead, yet we find it takes less effort to type. [07:34] <ChiefHighwater> speak for yourself [07:34] Action: ds chucks caffeine-filled beverages at o & chw [07:35] Action: ChiefHighwater <gulp> [07:35] <ds> why doesn't gststandardscheduler.c compile? [07:35] <ds> for me [07:36] <omega> cause the compiler doesn't get it <g> [07:36] <Anch> What distro you running? [07:36] <ds> debian [07:36] <ds> sid [07:36] <Anch> Hrmm.... [07:37] <Anch> Couldn't tell ya, I don't run Debian. what is the error that it dumps? [07:37] <ds> starts with undefined errno in a cothreads_ macro [07:38] <ds> (it scrolled off screen) [07:38] <ChiefHighwater> the daily build worked...do you get that email? [07:39] <ds> yep [07:39] <ds> I suppose I should try this on i386... [07:40] <ChiefHighwater> kinda a pain, but it shouldn't really matter for that should it [07:42] Nick change: ChiefHighwater -> CHW_7-11 [07:43] <Anch> Heheh.. Hint Hint... [07:43] Nick change: Anch -> Anch-7-11-or-ZzzzZZ [07:43] Nick change: Anch-7-11-or-ZzzzZZ -> Anch [07:43] <CHW_7-11> you want me to choose? [07:43] Action: omega reaches for the LART [07:43] <Anch> If you did I wouldn's sleep until friday. [07:44] <CHW_7-11> 8-> (evil grin) [07:50] Nick change: Anch -> Anch|7-11|YAY [07:51] Action: tnt finishes reading the first new article posted @ LinuxPower.org... a good read. [07:51] Action: tnt now reads the second one. [07:55] <vektor> Did you notice I'm quoted in Uraeus' article? [07:55] <tnt> vektor: Yes I noticed :-) [07:55] <tnt> vektor: You're famous now. [07:56] <tnt> vektor: I'm still waiting to get quoted in the Union-Tribune... in reference to Lindows. [07:57] <tnt> vektor: Then I'll be famous too :-) [07:57] <tnt> vektor: (I got interviewed a little while ago for an article in that newspaper.) [07:58] <vektor> haha. [07:58] <tnt> vektor: Hey... I already got 2 e-mails from people saying they'd attend a Linux Multimedia Conference. [07:58] <tnt> vektor: I guess I should wait for 7 more people, eh :-) [07:59] <walken> I guess I'd attend it [07:59] <walken> heh [07:59] <tnt> Ok... 6 left. [07:59] <tnt> :-) [08:00] Action: walken looking again at the MC code in libmpeg2 [08:00] <walken> boy its been a while [08:00] <walken> have to get the ball rolling again [08:02] <tnt> vektor: Shouldn't you be asleep? [08:03] <vektor> i need to finish this assignment [08:03] <tnt> vektor: Ahhh.... still working on it, ic. [08:05] Nick change: CHW_7-11 -> ChiefHighwater [08:08] Nick change: Anch|7-11|YAY -> Anch [08:14] jmellen (Ja...@65...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:15] omega (om...@te...) left irc: "swapping RAM in gateway to make it not suck" [08:16] Anch (mi...@te...) left irc: "ACK, ram time" [08:17] ChiefHighwater (pa...@te...) left irc: [08:21] <walken> boy boy boy [08:21] <ds> ok. so it's a powerpc problem [08:21] <walken> its been 1 year since I did the first half of these changes [08:28] Company (~Company@pD9004144.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gstreamer. [08:29] steveb (~st...@no...) joined #gstreamer. [08:30] bstard (Lor...@pl...) got netsplit. [08:30] mattias (ma...@ga...) got netsplit. [08:32] bstard (~Lor...@pl...) returned to #gstreamer. [08:32] mattias (~ma...@ga...) returned to #gstreamer. [08:36] Company (Company@pD9004144.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:04] Anch (~mi...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [09:07] <MSpin> dammit, pkg-config [09:08] <tnt> MSpin: You need the newest version. [09:08] <tnt> MSpin: And... [09:09] <tnt> MSpin: ... it need to be installed under /usr/ and not /usr/local/ [09:10] <MSpin> I just installed the rpm of 0.10 [09:10] <tnt> I think 0.8 is needed. [09:12] <tnt> MSpin: Wait... 0.10 is newer... that *should* work... I think. [09:12] <tnt> MSpin: What problem is it giving you? [09:12] <MSpin> yay! [09:12] <MSpin> it wasn't seeing glib2 [09:13] <tnt> Is it seeing it now? [09:13] <MSpin> yeah [09:13] <MSpin> oddness [09:14] <tnt> What did you do to fix it? [09:14] <MSpin> removed 0.10 and threw on 0.8 [09:14] <MSpin> oh, wait [09:15] Action: tnt is getting alot of SPAM today :-( [09:15] <tnt> wait? [09:24] <MSpin> hrm, I was stupid [09:31] Zygo (zbl...@ot...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:31] Zygo (zbl...@ot...) joined #gstreamer. [09:32] <tnt> MSpin: Did you get things fixed? [09:32] <tnt> MSpin: or working? [09:32] <MSpin> I'm working on getting my *.pc files back hehe [09:33] <tnt> Didn't they come with the RPMs? [09:33] <tnt> (I'm assuming you installed everything with RPMs.) [09:34] <MSpin> they did [09:34] <MSpin> I thought they were built dynamicaly [09:35] <tnt> So why not just uninstall... and then reinstall? [09:36] <MSpin> oh, I will, but that involves finding the right pakcages, getting 'em and installing 'em [09:36] <tnt> ic. [09:36] <tnt> I'm guessing you aren't using RedCarpet. [09:36] Zygo (zbl...@ot...) left irc: "Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.0" [09:37] <MSpin> I am [09:37] <MSpin> it's verify feature seems b0rked [09:37] Zygo (zbl...@ot...) joined #gstreamer. [09:37] <tnt> Oh... I see. [09:37] <tnt> When did it get "broken"? [09:38] <MSpin> well, actually, I guess it's just verifing the database, not the packages [09:39] <tnt> ya. [09:39] Action: tnt is getting sleepy... [09:39] <tnt> I'm going to bed. [09:39] <tnt> See y'all. [09:40] <MSpin> thanks [09:40] <MSpin> later [10:25] Anch (mi...@te...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [10:30] MSpin (jj...@12...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [10:42] thomasvs-sleep (th...@ad...) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:55] billh (bi...@ws...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] <walken> boink [11:11] <walken> zzZZZZZZzz [11:20] walken (fo...@12...) left irc: "l8r" [11:57] Uraeus (~csc...@c1...) joined #gstreamer. [11:58] Uraeus (csc...@c1...) left irc: Client Quit [12:59] bstard (Lor...@pl...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:59] bstard (~Lor...@pl...) joined #gstreamer. [13:02] bstard (Lor...@pl...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] thomasvs-sleep (~th...@21...) joined #gstreamer. [13:12] Nick change: thomasvs-sleep -> thomasvs [13:42] Zygo (zbl...@ot...) left irc: "Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.0" [13:42] Zygo (zbl...@ot...) joined #gstreamer. [14:27] jorn (~jo...@21...) joined #gstreamer. [14:36] wingo (wi...@rd...) left irc: "going to school" [14:49] Nick change: rambaby -> rambokid [14:57] Uraeus (~csc...@c1...) joined #gstreamer. [14:57] <Uraeus> hello [14:58] <Uraeus> thomasvs: around? [15:02] <jorn> hi Uraeus [15:04] <Uraeus> hi jorn [15:06] Uraeus (csc...@c1...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [15:15] <thomasvs> Uraeus: yeah [15:15] <thomasvs> just downloaded crossover, man, this rocks ;) [15:15] <thomasvs> I can even watch quicktime stuff from galeon [15:15] <thomasvs> we need to somehow integrate gstreamer with it [15:33] wingo (~wi...@rd...) joined #gstreamer. [15:57] dobey (~dobey@141.154.95.125) joined #gstreamer. [16:11] <BBB|zZz> hmm..... [16:11] <BBB|zZz> thomasvs: how expensive is it? [16:44] <thomasvs> BBB|zZz: still using the demo version [16:44] <thomasvs> uraeus bought it, I remember it not costing much [17:01] <BBB|zZz> hmm.... [17:01] <BBB|zZz> it can play windows media player now 8-) :P [17:06] grub_booter (~charlie@D57602A9.kabel.telenet.be) joined #gstreamer. [17:06] <thomasvs> heh, another belgian hits the channel [17:07] <grub_booter> heh [17:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:08] <grub_booter> doh [17:09] <grub_booter> i don't think residency in a country entitles you to nationality... (was what i meant to type before by finger slipped) [17:09] <thomasvs> hm, ok ;) [17:10] <grub_booter> what's the status with gstreamer? i was looking at using it in the kino project a while back, but had huge problems getting it to compile and run :-/ [17:11] <thomasvs> grub_booter: it compiles and runs a lot better now [17:11] <thomasvs> we have massively imrpoved the build system [17:11] <thomasvs> grub_booter: what distro ? [17:11] <thomasvs> and arch ? [17:12] <grub_booter> intel, various distros... redhat was the biggest problem [17:12] <grub_booter> and yes i am aware of the compiler issue there [17:12] <thomasvs> well, redhat has gotten a lot easier ;) [17:12] <grub_booter> ah cool :-) [17:12] <thomasvs> redhat doesn't have a compiler issue, all projects not coding properly do ;) [17:12] <thomasvs> grub_booter: I run two rh72 autobuilds and they generate snapshot rpms whenever the build succeeds [17:12] <thomasvs> so you're in luck [17:13] <grub_booter> cool... [17:13] <grub_booter> so.. do you have dv encoding/decoding yet? [17:13] <thomasvs> omega is working on it [17:13] <grub_booter> k.. basing it on libdv? [17:13] <grub_booter> or other? [17:14] <thomasvs> I know there is some right now, but don't know how it works [17:14] <thomasvs> grub_booter: yeah, libdv. actually, omega is rewriting it [17:14] <grub_booter> ah... good :-) [17:15] <grub_booter> i had a vague plan to look into it myself... really to expose the encoding functionality, but also to try and find the bottlenecks in the decoder [17:15] <grub_booter> been kind of sidetracked for kino over the past coupla months... hope to pick it up again very soon [17:16] <grub_booter> i've written plugin functionality for ffmpeg export (but the av sync issue makes it pretty unworkable) [17:16] <grub_booter> was kind of hoping they would've resolved that one by now :-/ [17:17] <grub_booter> ideally, i'd like to see a plugin for gstreamer (both input and output)... [17:19] <thomasvs> well, since omega has a firewire camera, he'll sure want it to work ;) [17:19] <thomasvs> I know that raw dv streaming worked, if I understood him correctly [17:20] <grub_booter> my feeling (and i don't know whether the rest of them agree or not) is that the core kino product can continue being dv in and out... but other formats of i/o should be available through a general plugin structure (all very vague and tenuous right now) [17:20] <grub_booter> but a conversion mechanism for dv importing is mandatory... [17:22] <grub_booter> anyway... i'll give it a crack and see how i get on :-) [17:25] <grub_booter> hmm... dunno if my other project is of any interest to you guys ... it's basically a library that provides web server functionality and it has 'compile to native' scripting (sorta asp/jsp/php but with c code)... i've written a mini icecast and web server plugin with it for xmms... [17:27] <wingo> url? [17:28] <grub_booter> www.sf.net/projects/acp [17:28] <grub_booter> can show you my online demo if you're interested [17:28] <thomasvs> ok, anyone know the question to this one [17:28] <thomasvs> I have two identical rtl8139 cards in a machine, sharing the same irq [17:28] <thomasvs> should I expect trouble or not ? [17:28] <grub_booter> not necessarily [17:28] <wingo> but don't be surprised either :) [17:29] <grub_booter> pretty sure i have a similar set up on one of my boxes... [17:33] <grub_booter> hmm... nope... have 8029 and 8129 (with different irqs)... [17:51] <grub_booter> trying a compilation now :-) ... slowish laptop though :-/ [18:01] richardb (~ri...@pc...) joined #gstreamer. [18:02] <wingo> yo [18:02] <richardb> hi [18:03] <richardb> lots about gstreamer in the gnome weekly summary, then. :) [18:04] <wingo> kind of vacuous, but yes :) [18:04] <richardb> is anyone working on the synaesthesia plugin? [18:04] <richardb> If not, I may be able to find some time tonight to polish it up. [18:05] <richardb> Or more probably, reimplement it. [18:06] Nick change: richardb -> richardb-busy [18:07] Action: BBB|zZz is back (gone 18:02:53) [18:07] Nick change: BBB|zZz -> BBB [18:08] <wingo> richardb-busy it's broken atm. if you could fix it that would be neat :) [18:12] Action: thomasvs laughs out loud [18:12] <thomasvs> all right, who wants to hear something stupid [18:12] <thomasvs> ? [18:13] <wingo> me me me! [18:13] <thomasvs> ok, so I bought a second hand compaq deskpro yesterday to use as a firewall at work [18:13] <thomasvs> so this morning I put in the rh install cd [18:14] <thomasvs> it doesn't go in too well (it's not a tray, it's one of these drives with flaps) [18:14] <taaz> richardb-busy: if you could remove the gtk dependency on that plugin that would be cool... should just output raw video or something. (i haven't looked at it really, but it links to gtk which is not as good as outputing raw video) [18:14] <thomasvs> and it gets spit out immediately again [18:14] <thomasvs> so I think, maybe there's another one in it [18:14] <thomasvs> I press eject [18:14] <thomasvs> nothing happens [18:14] <thomasvs> so I try a few times more [18:14] <thomasvs> and the cd comes out all scratched [18:14] <thomasvs> and it still won't bite [18:14] <thomasvs> I run the compaq bios diagnostics stuff [18:14] <thomasvs> it tells me there's no cd in the drive [18:14] <thomasvs> so I give up and install from net [18:15] <thomasvs> a few hours later I need to install another nic and decide to check the cd rom drive [18:15] <thomasvs> there was a 3.5 inch FLOPPY in it !!! [18:15] <wingo> hah! [18:15] <thomasvs> the label on the disk showed it was a woman ;) [18:15] <thomasvs> this is an unbiased statement btw ;) [18:17] Action: taaz wonders what ds wanted last night... [18:17] Nick change: taaz -> taaz-away [18:18] <thomasvs> grub_booter: what's the module used for an 8029 ? [18:21] <grub_booter> 8390 i think [18:21] <grub_booter> ne2k-pci [18:22] <thomasvs> yep, thanks ;) [18:26] <grub_booter> hmm.. what's the xmms plugin and what does it need to be built? (configure said it wouldn't...) [18:26] <thomasvs> I think that --enable-xmms will do it [18:26] <thomasvs> don't expect it to build easily though ;) [18:27] <grub_booter> heh.. k [18:27] <grub_booter> what does it provide? [18:27] <thomasvs> supposedly, a wrapper around xmms plugins [18:27] <grub_booter> ah... k [18:27] <grub_booter> not a plugin for xmms then [18:28] <thomasvs> no ... [18:28] <thomasvs> ... but how would that work ? [18:28] <grub_booter> heh.. that was why i was asking :-) [18:29] <thomasvs> ok ;) [18:30] <thomasvs> grub_booter: did you assign irq's manually to one of the two nics ? [18:30] <grub_booter> nope [18:31] <thomasvs> damn [18:31] <grub_booter> have the same config on two boxes (current gateway and old one)... don't recall doing anything specific [18:32] <steveb> anyone care enough to comment on this? http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=28657&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=152&mode=thread&cid=3082058 [18:37] <grub_booter> hmm... on the issue of av sync... audio IS generally more important than video... [18:38] <grub_booter> i disagree on the comment about the human ear forgiving or allowing dropped/repeated audio... the eye is much more forgiving [18:44] <grub_booter> the argument about the presentation is odd... if your api is independent of the gui, then any components you write using it can also be gui independent... am i missing something there? [18:44] <grub_booter> ah well.. my 2 cents worth :-) [18:45] <thomasvs> later [18:45] thomasvs (th...@21...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [18:48] Nick change: dobey -> dobey-eat [18:49] <grub_booter> hmm... got a build error on the plugins.. undefined ref to g_object_get in demo-mp3.c [19:13] Nick change: dobey-eat -> dobey [19:15] Nick change: jorn -> jornaway [19:33] billh (bi...@ws...) joined #gstreamer. [20:05] Uraeus (~csc...@c1...) joined #gstreamer. [20:05] <Uraeus> evenin all [20:10] Action: BBB looks @ wtay-away [20:10] <BBB> he's probably playing snooker? :| [20:10] <Uraeus> BBB: have you fixed the avi problems I reported yesterday? <g> [20:11] <BBB> it's a gstplayer/autoplugger problem [20:11] <BBB> avimux should never be used by a player ;) [20:11] Action: Uraeus looks around for Company [20:11] <BBB> <g> [20:12] <BBB> I think he was here this morning [20:12] <BBB> he'll be back ;) [20:13] <Uraeus> I think it is very little we need before the player can play all our formats so I am kinda wanting to fix those issues before next release [20:18] <wingo> grub_booter: you need glib2 for 0.3.2 [20:19] Nick change: wtay-away -> wtay [20:19] <wtay> yo [20:22] <wingo> yo [20:25] <Uraeus> yo [20:25] Nick change: richardb-busy -> richardb [20:25] <richardb> yo [20:26] <Uraeus> this is almost like a rapper convention :) [20:26] <Uraeus> wtay: did you look at the link I sent you [20:26] <richardb> Right - so now I'm going to rewrite the synaesthesia plugin. [20:27] <Uraeus> richardb: great :) [20:27] <richardb> wtay: is the goom plugin in a suitable state to be used as a template? [20:27] Action: Uraeus thinks that the synaesthesia have never worked as long as he been involved [20:27] <wtay> Uraeus: yes [20:28] <wtay> richardb: yes, very [20:28] <richardb> wtay: excellent [20:29] thomasvs (~th...@ad...) joined #gstreamer. [20:29] <thomasvs> doink [20:29] <wingo> poing [20:30] <wtay> teut [20:31] <thomasvs> wtay: had too much to drink ? ;) [20:31] <richardb> Will anyone object if I destroy the old synaesthesia plugin and replace it with my new one, or should I make a new plugin with a different name? [20:31] <richardb> I would rather replace it, since as far as I can tell it doesn't work. [20:31] <wtay> richardb: replace [20:32] <wtay> richardb: does goom work for you? [20:32] <richardb> wtay: yes, very nicely. [20:33] <wtay> ah cool [20:33] Company (~Company@pD9500546.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gstreamer. [20:34] <Company> hi all [20:35] <wtay> yo [20:36] <Company> Uraeus: 2 things about your .desktop file: 1) Are we really the "GNOME Media Player" and not the "GStreamer Media Player"? 2) Shouldn't we use our own icon, the GStreamer SVG if it still exists? [20:37] <Uraeus> Company: well as part of the GNOME 2 useability work every application has gotten a name that clearly states is purpose, but I guess gstreamer mediaplayer is just as good as GNOME media player [20:37] <Uraeus> Company: as for icon, you mean having the three waves as an icon? [20:38] <Company> Uraeus: well, GNOME media player sound as if we were part of GNOME, which we are not [20:39] <Uraeus> Company: the advantage of calling it the GNOME Media Player is that is doesn't create a conflict if someone makes a KDE based mediaplayer on top of GStreamer [20:39] <Company> Uraeus: and yes, I thought about that 3 waves icon - corporate identity or better project identity :) [20:39] <Uraeus> Company: well as gstreamer is to become part of the gnome library structure I am guessing a gstreamer based mediaplayer will the official mediaplayer [20:40] <Uraeus> Company: ok, I got it sent to me in vector format so I can try and make a app icon of it [20:40] <Company> Uraeus: if we know that we will become part of GNOME than GNOME media player is indeed better [20:41] <Uraeus> Company: well I have yet to meet a core GNOME hacker thinking GStreamer is not to be considered part of the GNOME development plattform [20:41] <Uraeus> (not that I have ever held such a discussion where I have given an opening for any other conclusion :) [20:42] <Company> Uraeus: well in that case we probably are the GNOME media player [20:42] Nick change: taaz-away -> taaz [20:42] <Company> Uraeus: but it would be stupid if we had to rename that thing because someone decided they wanted some arts based thing [20:43] <Company> Uraeus: and gst-player sounds more like GSTreamer media player anyway [20:43] <Uraeus> Company: no chance of that, remember that arts have never been considered to be used for GNOME, only artsd [20:43] <Uraeus> Company: well I choose the name based on the changes I see in names that Seth have done with the gnome-utils etc. [20:45] <Uraeus> Company: I have two bugs in the player that would be cool to get fixed before the new release [20:45] <Uraeus> Company: the first is that .fli playback fails for me, does it work for you? [20:48] <Company> Uraeus: don't know - what's .fli anyway? [20:49] <Uraeus> Company: it is a animation format, think originally created on Amiga, there is a sample .fli on gst.net/media [20:49] <Company> Uraeus: ah, in media there is a .fli file :) [20:49] <Uraeus> Company: wtay fixed the plugin not long ago so it should work [20:50] <Uraeus> Company: this works for me: gst-launch filesrc location=pmotion.fli ! flxdec ! colorspace ! sdlvideosink [20:50] <Uraeus> thomasvs: gst-launch-ext don't seem to support .fli either [20:50] <Company> Uraeus: and it doesn't work in the player? [20:50] <Uraeus> Company: no [20:51] <wtay> Company: do ou automagically select the colorspace plugin too? [20:51] <Company> wtay: yes [20:51] <Company> wtay: spidertest does play it [20:51] <wtay> how did you do that? [20:51] <Uraeus> Company: when I try plating a .fli I get:gst-player (pid:1729): ** CRITICAL **: file gstavimux.c: line 918 (gst_avimux_chain): assertion `GST_BUFFER_DATA (buf) != NULL' failed [20:52] <Company> Uraeus: gstreamer/gst/autoplug/spidertest pmotion.fli - does that work? [20:52] <wtay> Company: do you listen for cpasnego failure and decide to insert the colorspace plugin? [20:53] <Company> wtay: no, videosink and flxdec can't plug directly, so the autoplugger inserts colorspace [20:53] <wtay> ah ok [20:53] <Uraeus> Company: yes, that works [20:54] <Company> Uraeus: what's the other thing? [20:54] bstard (~Lor...@pl...) joined #gstreamer. [20:54] <thomasvs> hm, doesn't xmms have any really full-screen vis plugins ? without window decs ? [20:55] <thomasvs> Uraeus: feel free to add the right pipeline for fli playback to gst-launch-ext, it's really straightforward [20:55] <Uraeus> Company: .vob only gives me sound [20:56] <Company> hm, I have to recheckout gst-player, mine currently is quite dirty with that video widget stuff in it :) [20:56] <Uraeus> thomasvs: is it just a script? [20:57] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-bath [20:58] <thomasvs> Uraeus: yeah, a simple shell script [20:58] <dobey> thomasvs: some gl ones are full-screen [20:58] <Uraeus> thomasvs: where do I find it in the src directory? [20:59] <thomasvs> gst-plugins/tools/gst-launch-ext.in [21:01] RagingMind (~Rag...@fl...) joined #gstreamer. [21:06] <Uraeus> ah, it is in the plugins module :) [21:07] Nick change: thomasvs -> thomasvs-movie [21:08] <grub_booter> wingo: cheers - trying again :-) [21:08] <Company> Uraeus: I cannot build the player because my GNOME2 is not updated completely to beta2, only Gtk+ is and I was stupid enough to delete the old stuff... [21:10] <Company> Uraeus: but I'm committing a hack that should make it work - you have to try it though [21:10] <Uraeus> Company: np, just tell me when its commited and I try building again [21:11] <Uraeus> Company: what did you fix btw? fli or vob or both? [21:11] <Company> Uraeus: it's in... [21:12] <Company> 3 [21:12] <Company> 2 [21:12] <Company> 1 [21:12] <Company> now [21:12] <Uraeus> hehe [21:12] <Uraeus> Company: which module? [21:13] <Company> the player [21:14] Nick change: RagingMind -> RMind-busy [21:14] <Uraeus> Company: what did you fix btw? fli or vob or both? [21:16] <Company> Uraeus: I applied a hack from spidertest so hopefully both works now [21:19] <Uraeus> Company: both work now, thanks this is great! :) [21:20] <Uraeus> Company: a third small request, is it much work adding a appicon for the taskmanager/windowmanager? [21:23] Zeenix (~zeenix@195.219.161.17) joined #gstreamer. [21:24] <Uraeus> BBB: I still get this: gst-player (pid:9260): GStreamer-WARNING **: The function gst_element_send_event is gone. Use g_object_notify instead. [21:24] <Uraeus> BBB: when playing avi :) [21:24] <Zeenix> hi [21:25] <Uraeus> hi Zeenix [21:30] <Company> Uraeus: I guess it's not difficult, but I don'T want to do this while I can't test what I did [21:31] <Uraeus> Company: ok, we save that for the next release then [21:32] <Company> Uraeus: or find someone else in this channel who can do this :) [21:33] <Uraeus> Company: well only one I think might know how to do this is Arik and he had not been seen in a while again :) [21:34] <Company> wingo could do this, too :) [21:34] <Uraeus> heh :), well wingo could you please add a appicon to the player? [21:35] <Company> basically it's: include item png in pixmaps dir - in libs/gst/player/gstmplay.c in the _init function make a pixbuf out of it and call gtk_widget_set_icon or something with that [21:35] <Company> oh: and modify the Makefile in pixmaps [21:39] <BBB> Uraeus: playing AVI should just work with avidemux, I never touched avidemux except for making it work with jpegmmxdec ;) [21:39] <BBB> Uraeus: ask company why gst-player tries to use avimux :P [21:40] <Uraeus> Company: why does gst-player try to use avimux? [21:41] <Company> Uraeus: it does? [21:43] Zeenix2 (~zeenix@195.219.29.230) joined #gstreamer. [21:43] <Uraeus> Company: [cschalle@localhost cschalle]$ gst-player [21:43] <Uraeus> INFO (10170: 0) Initializing GStreamer Core Library [21:43] <Uraeus> INFO (10170: 0) CPU features: (c0c1f9ff) MMX 3DNOW MMXEXT [21:43] <Uraeus> gst-player (pid:10170): ** WARNING **: removing currently running element! typefindsink_0 [21:43] <Uraeus> gst-player (pid:10170): GStreamer-WARNING **: The function gst_element_send_event is gone. Use g_object_notify instead. [21:43] <Uraeus> gst-player (pid:10170): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstbuffer.c: line 168 (gst_buffer_create_sub): assertion `(offset+size) <= parent->size' failed [21:43] <Uraeus> gst-player (pid:10170): [E]xit, [H]alt, show [S]tack trace or [P]roceed [21:44] <Company> uhm, press [F]orget, please :) [21:44] <Company> what file btw? [21:45] <Uraeus> Company: the tombraider intro file [21:46] Action: Uraeus starts downloading the Matrix movie to test [21:46] <Company> I would guess it's an avi error [21:47] <Uraeus> Company: well BBB claims it is your player that does something wrong :) [21:47] <BBB> :P [21:47] Action: BBB wonders why Uraeus says it in such a way ;) [21:48] <Uraeus> BBB: well it is either you or company's fault/resposibility to fix, so I am trying to get you talking here :) [21:49] <Company> Uraeus: try it with spidertest, then with -launch [21:49] <Company> if spidertest works, it's the player [21:49] <Company> if -launch works, it's the autoplugger [21:49] <Uraeus> ok [21:50] <Company> and if -launch doesn'T work, it's BBB's fault ;) [21:50] apoc_ (~ap...@dy...) joined #gstreamer. [21:50] <Uraeus> hi apoc_ [21:50] <apoc_> Yo uraeus [21:51] <Company> hi apoc_ [21:51] <apoc_> Yo company [21:51] <Company> Uraeus: btw: if it's my fault, I won't fix it :) [21:52] <BBB> <g> [21:52] <apoc_> I think modplug is ready for commit. Someone can test it ? [21:52] Action: BBB claims it's company's fault >:) [21:53] Action: Company thinks it has to be BBB's fault :p [21:53] <Company> well actually my bet is on the autoplugger :/ [21:53] <BBB> :P [21:53] <BBB> I think so too, actually [21:53] <BBB> I mean, normally, avimux shouldn't be in a decoding pipeline ;) [21:53] <Uraeus> actually it was the movei clip that was bad :) [21:54] <Company> now that's a good one [21:54] <Company> "blame it on the media" :D [21:54] <RMind-busy> apoc_: test how? [21:55] Nick change: RMind-busy -> RagingMind [21:55] <apoc_> with mod song :) [21:55] <Uraeus> Company: ok, the Matrix movie plays without sound using gst-launch-ext [21:55] <apoc_> RMind-busy : your're on i386 ? [21:56] <Uraeus> Company: but using spidertest I get just a lot of: disk_source: offset = 18339840 [21:58] <RagingMind> apoc_: yep [21:58] <Uraeus> apoc_: commit it and I will test it [21:59] <apoc_> Ok ... It *should* compile on PPC too .. [22:00] <Company> Uraeus: that means typefinding doesn't work [22:01] <Company> Uraeus: if you get output, the autoplugger works, if you get errors, autoplugging doesn't work, if you get nothing, typefinding doesn't work [22:01] <Company> Uraeus: rule of thumb :) [22:01] <Uraeus> Company: whose fault is it? [22:01] <Company> heh [22:01] <Company> BBB, I suppose :) [22:02] arik ([6jX...@sp...) joined #gstreamer. [22:02] <arik> hi [22:02] <Uraeus> arik ! [22:02] <Zeenix2> you [22:02] <Zeenix2> yo [22:02] <BBB> hi arik! :) [22:02] <arik> Uraeus: hey :-) [22:02] <RagingMind> well speak of the devil... [22:02] <arik> hey all [22:02] <RagingMind> :) [22:02] <arik> are you talking of me? [22:02] <arik> heh [22:02] <arik> Company: are you here? [22:02] Action: Uraeus points BBB to the typefinder [22:02] <BBB> so, company, who's fault is it? ;) [22:02] <Company> hi arik [22:02] <BBB> what's a typefinder? :P [22:02] <Uraeus> arik: we where wondering if you where hit by a buss or something [22:02] <arik> Company: hey, is gst-player working for you? [22:03] <arik> Uraeus: heh, no, just very very busy with school [22:03] <Company> BBB: that thing the autoplugger needs to know that your demuxer wants to decode it? ;) [22:03] <Zeenix2> arik: of course, run-off Uraeus & company had been looking to hunt you.. :) [22:03] <arik> Uraeus: i have been doing work though on gstplay [22:03] <arik> Zeenix2: hehe [22:03] <Company> arik: yes, it works mostly [22:03] <Uraeus> arik: we fixed a fli and vob file just 2 minutes ago [22:03] <arik> Company: here is the error i am getting, i suspect my gst build is wrong somehow [22:03] <arik> lt-gst-player (pid:5184): ** CRITICAL **: file gstplay.c: line 301 (get_default_video_element): assertion `video_show != NULL' failed [22:03] <BBB> hmm..... [22:04] <arik> Uraeus: hmm [22:04] <Uraeus> arik: I mean a fli and vob file playback error [22:04] <arik> Uraeus: right [22:04] <Uraeus> arik: using gst-player [22:04] <BBB> Company: is that the thing that we use as get_caps() and as typefinder caps in the factory? [22:04] <arik> Uraeus: i saw the commit, i finally subscribed to gst-cvs-commits [22:05] <Uraeus> arik: we are trying to get .avi fixed now, just waiting for BBB and Company do agree on whose to blame of them :) [22:05] <Uraeus> s/do/to/ [22:05] <arik> Uraeus: hehe :-) [22:05] chillywilly (~da...@d5...) joined #gstreamer. [22:05] <arik> Uraeus: i'm trying to just get gst-player working here so i can commit some of the code i've been working on [22:06] <Uraeus> arik: well I started with a fresh checkout of everything yesterday and it works for me [22:06] <arik> lt-gst-player (pid:5260): Gnome-WARNING **: invalid gnome config path '=/section/key' [22:06] <arik> Uraeus: hmm [22:06] <Uraeus> arik: got the latest gnome2 libs? [22:06] <arik> Uraeus: i just keep getting that video_show error [22:06] <Company> BBB: a typefinder function is a function that checks if the buffer it's passed contains the right data (AVI in this case) and returns AVI caps if that's the case and NULL if not [22:06] <arik> Uraeus: i think so, i got the ximian ones [22:06] Zeenix (zeenix@195.219.161.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] <Uraeus> arik: don't have a clue then, cause it works 'perfectly' for me [22:07] <arik> hrm [22:08] <arik> ok [22:08] <Uraeus> arik: can you play using spidertest? [22:08] <Company> arik: lt-gst-player (pid:5184): ** CRITICAL **: file gstplay.c: line 301 (get_default_video_element): assertion `video_show != NULL' failed - you have xvideosink installed? [22:08] <arik> maybe it's cause i don't have libxvideosink [22:08] <arik> heh [22:08] <Zeenix2> need to go now, bye [22:08] <Company> cya [22:08] Zeenix2 (zeenix@195.219.29.230) left irc: "Client Exiting" [22:09] <arik> Company: isn't xvideoxink installed by default though? [22:09] <BBB> Company: I don't think there's a typefunder function in avimux.... [22:09] <Uraeus> arik: it should be [22:09] <arik> gst-all/gst-plugins/sys/xvideo has the .o files [22:10] <Uraeus> arik: do you have /usr/lib/gst/libxvideosink.so ? [22:10] <arik> Uraeus: i' [22:10] <arik> Uraeus: i'm doing an uninstalled build [22:11] <apoc_> uraeus : modplug commited [22:11] <Company> arik: it's installed by default, yes - but don't ask me why it isn't working uninstalled [22:11] <Uraeus> apoc_: ok, let me update and test [22:11] <Company> arik: maybe you need to run gst-register? [22:12] <arik> Company: i've run gst-register, the error i get with spidertest is "could not create output plugins" [22:12] <arik> ok [22:12] <arik> is there a new gst-register somewhere? [22:13] <arik> cause the one in gstreamer/tools is only registering things in gstreamer not in gst-plugins [22:13] <Company> arik: I don't know if you have to specify the path to the uninstalled gst-plugins [22:13] <arik> Company: hmm [22:13] <richardb> Try ./gst-register --gst-plugin-path=../../gst-plugins/ [22:14] <richardb> Or whatever the path to your gst-plugins is. [22:14] <arik> ok [22:14] <arik> that works [22:14] <arik> woo!!!! [22:14] <arik> the player works! [22:14] <Uraeus> hehe [22:14] <arik> ok [22:14] <arik> sweet [22:15] <arik> wow this needs a lot of work [22:15] <arik> ok [22:15] <Uraeus> s/work/love/ [22:15] <arik> heh [22:15] <arik> so true [22:15] <arik> ok [22:15] <arik> now i can finally start adding stuff :-) [22:16] Action: Uraeus looks forward to seeing what goodies arik will commit [22:16] <arik> hehe [22:16] <arik> :-) [22:16] <Company> yeah [22:17] <Company> GstVideoWidget is working :) [22:17] <Uraeus> apoc_: make[2]: Entering directory `/home/cschalle/gst-plugins/gst/modplug' [22:17] <Uraeus> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `README', needed by `distdir'. Stop. [22:17] <Uraeus> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/cschalle/gst-plugins/gst/modplug' [22:17] <arik> Company: woo :-) [22:17] <Company> only fullscreen is missing [22:17] <apoc_> uraeus : oups [22:17] <arik> Company: how do i play video with this thing? [22:17] <arik> Company: i will be adding fullscreen back in rsn [22:17] <apoc_> uraeus : did you make an autogen.sh ? [22:17] <Uraeus> apoc_: yes [22:17] <Company> arik: select a video file and push play :) [22:18] <Company> arik: fullscreen will be part of the widget so no need in the player :) [22:18] <arik> Company: sweet :-) [22:18] <Uraeus> arik: specifying a file on the command line doesn't work [22:18] <arik> Company: i did that, i don't see anything, i only hear stuff [22:18] <arik> Uraeus: yeah i noticed :-( [22:18] <Uraeus> arik: what format? [22:18] <arik> Uraeus: mpeg [22:18] <Uraeus> arik: works for me, but it use sdl I think [22:18] <arik> Uraeus: hmm [22:19] <arik> i just get audio [22:19] <richardb> Is tee broken? Goom is working for me, but if I try and tee off the audio so I can hear what I'm visualising, the pipeline stops after 2 iterations... [22:19] <arik> Company: when i was last working on this i was adding some overlay windows to fullscreen that i will commit at some point [22:20] <richardb> I'm trying: ./gst-launch filesrc location="file.ogg" ! vorbisdec ! tee silent=true 'tee0.src0!' queue ! { goom ! colorspace ! xvideosink } 'tee0.src1!' osssink [22:20] <apoc_> uraeus : try a cvs update in modplug directory [22:20] <Uraeus> richardb: let me test [22:20] <Uraeus> apoc_: ok [22:21] <Company> richardb: try src%d instead of specifying the number - maybe that works [22:21] <richardb> The following displays the goom output only, but works correctly: ./gst-launch filesrc location="file.ogg" ! vorbisdec ! tee silent=true 'tee0.src0!' queue ! { goom ! colorspace ! xvideosink } [22:21] <richardb> Company: same behaviour. [22:22] <richardb> The pipeline is setting up and beginning the play, but I'm then getting: [22:22] <richardb> ERROR: sink1: pull on pad sink1:sink but it was unconnected [22:22] <richardb> This pipeline used to work (couple of weeks ago) [22:23] <Uraeus> richardb: it works for me (using a mp3) [22:24] <Uraeus> gst-launch filesrc location=anastasia.mp3 ! mad ! tee silent=true 'tee0.src0!' queue ! { goom ! colorspace ! xvideosink } [22:24] Nick change: wtay-bath -> wtay [22:24] <Uraeus> wtay: wb clean boy [22:24] omega (~om...@om...) joined #gstreamer. [22:25] <arik> hey wtay and omega [22:25] <Uraeus> hi omega [22:25] <omega> yo [22:25] <wtay> richardb: isn't is src%d! ? [22:25] <wtay> yo [22:25] <apoc_> yo wtay, omega [22:25] <richardb> Uraeus: yes, that works, but try: [22:25] <richardb> gst-launch filesrc location=anastasia.mp3 ! mad ! tee silent=true 'tee0.src%d!' queue ! { goom ! colorspace ! xvideosink } 'tee0.src%d!' osssink [22:26] <Uraeus> ERROR: sink1: pull on pad sink1:sink but it was unconnected [22:26] <richardb> Same as me, then. [22:27] <richardb> wtay: yes, src%d is better, but doesn't work either. Both used to work. [22:27] <Uraeus> apoc_: make dist on modplug worked now [22:27] RMind (~Rag...@fl...) joined #gstreamer. [22:28] <apoc_> Uraeus : cool [22:28] <Company> yeah, it's somehow broken [22:29] <Uraeus> BBB: any progress on the typefind issue? [22:29] <wtay> richardb: that's weird.. [22:29] <BBB> erm, I don't know what typefind is (and some girl started talking to me on MSN so I had to deal with that first :P) [22:29] <richardb> Wierder: if I put the osssink before the videosink, I get "pipeline doesn't want to play" [22:30] <wtay> richardb: hmm, it looks like there is only a tee1 element... [22:30] <Uraeus> wingo: around? [22:30] <richardb> wtay: Aha! [22:31] <richardb> That makes it work perfectly. Um, are the numbers _meant_ to start at 1? [22:31] <wtay> I think wingo changed that somehow.. [22:32] <wtay> it sill doesn't work for me... [22:33] <wtay> hmm.. ok I have some local hacks that break it.. [22:34] RagingMind (Rag...@fl...) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:34] Nick change: RMind -> RagingMind [22:35] <Company> right, wingo changed the naming stuff [22:35] <Company> now you have to guess the right names ;) [22:35] <wtay> that's just great.. [22:36] <wtay> good think he didn't choose random numbers, I guess :) [22:36] <Company> I don't know how it works now [22:36] <wtay> s/think/thing [22:36] <wtay> looks like some element is called 'm1' now.. [22:36] <Company> heh [22:36] <Company> fun, isn't it? ;) [22:37] <wtay> pdf4dsj2 would be more fun :) [22:37] <apoc_> hmmm .. goom doesn't work with mikmod or modplug ;( [22:37] <Company> I'm sure there is a logic somehow... [22:38] <Uraeus> apoc_: fix it then ;) [22:38] <wtay> aah, it's so cool with aasink.. [22:38] <apoc_> ;) [22:39] <apoc_> uraeus : you can play a song with modplug ? [22:39] <Uraeus> apoc_: still compiling [22:39] <richardb> Hmm: gst-register should enforce (or calculate) absolute paths when it builds the registry... [22:40] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-brb [22:41] <arik> ok i need to go to class [22:41] <arik> i just commited some minor ui stuff [22:41] <arik> see you all later [22:41] <Uraeus> arik: 6 months to next time? [22:41] <Uraeus> :) [22:41] <arik> Uraeus: hehe, no :-) i am really back [22:41] <Uraeus> good :) [22:41] <arik> *grin* [22:42] <arik> later all [22:42] arik ([6jX...@sp...) left #gstreamer. [22:42] sxpert (~sx...@e1...) joined #gstreamer. [22:43] <Uraeus> apoc_: plugin works perferctly [22:43] <sxpert> heh, I just read the articles on LinuxPower and can't get to www.lurkertech.com... [22:43] <Uraeus> sxpert: chris mailed me, the load had broken the ISP completely :) [22:44] <sxpert> Uraeus: heh :-( [22:44] <sxpert> Uraeus: we need a mirror ;-) [22:44] <omega> no, /. needs a mirror [22:44] <apoc_> Uraeus : cool .. thx [22:44] <Uraeus> sxpert: he have to change ISP due to it [22:44] <sxpert> heh... [22:45] <Uraeus> omega: mailed chris as you talked about? [22:45] <sxpert> (damn cheap ISP [22:45] <omega> Uraeus: hrm? [22:45] <Uraeus> omega: you said after reading his rant that you would mail him [22:45] <omega> Uraeus: um, I'm writing a response to pbd, not chris [22:45] <omega> I haven't read chris's article yet [22:46] <omega> oh, that rant [22:46] <omega> um, lemme deal with pbd first <g> [22:46] <Uraeus> omega: I know, I am talking about what you said when I mailed youthe rant a month ago :) [22:46] <Uraeus> omega: ok :) [22:46] <sxpert> omega: the article is neat, just forget about the links to any section of lurkertech.com [22:48] <omega> yeah, that sucks. I should have mirrored them first [22:48] <omega> Uraeus: eta on getting lurkertech back online [22:48] <omega> ? [22:48] <omega> wow, DNS is already down [22:49] <Uraeus> omega: he didn't know, told me in the mail that the ISP didn't even answer his phone now [22:49] <omega> great [22:49] <Uraeus> omega: he was already looking for a new ISP [22:53] <Uraeus> omega: seen the OpenML engineer from SGI that replied on Linuxpower? [22:54] <omega> nope [22:54] <Uraeus> http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=215&mode=comments&ctype=feature [22:55] <Uraeus> there is also another dude advocating OpenML [22:55] <omega> the top or second? [22:55] <omega> who? [22:56] <Uraeus> Jon Leech [22:56] <Uraeus> is the SGI fellow [22:56] <Uraeus> Jah Shaka is a guy also advocating OpenML from a project called http://www.jahshaka.com [22:57] <omega> problem with openML is that it's a very very narrow scope [22:57] <omega> designed a lot like real and xmms, from the point of view of any kind of pipelining [22:57] <tnt> It's very low level too. [22:57] <tnt> (OpenML... that is.) [22:58] <tnt> (At least from what I've read from the docs.) [22:58] <Uraeus> this looks interesting however: http://jahshakafx.sourceforge.net/ [22:58] <tnt> Already seen it. [22:58] <tnt> There doing some of the same stuff as us. [22:59] <tnt> Ummm... same stuff as matterial. [22:59] <sxpert> chris is right in his conclusions.. the more I am thinking to my video editing thing, the more I think that he's right. the really important thing is a reading / writing lib that can read from any source, give frames out and get frames in and write (again) to any destination... [22:59] <tnt> At least for the compositor. [23:00] <sxpert> tnt: it's me or they have read the AVID docs and copied the stuff ? [23:01] <tnt> The Jahshakafx people? [23:02] <sxpert> tnt: uh, no, not avid, the softimage thing, combustion [23:03] <sxpert> tnt: I was confusing the 2 [23:04] <tnt> Well... the last Softimage thing I played with was about 3 years ago... and with that version at least... it does NOT seem like a clone. [23:04] <tnt> Of course, I was playing with it in the store... I didn't get too in depth with it. [23:04] <tnt> (The sales man was trying to get me to buy it :-) ) [23:05] <sxpert> tnt: heh [23:05] <tnt> It does seem a bit like combustion though. [23:07] <sxpert> tnt: http://www.discreet.com/images/events/siggraph2001/screenshots/3d_shot.jpg [23:07] <omega> hmm, looks like a bad raytracer... [23:07] <sxpert> it's really a Discreet product, (the ones that do autocad and 3DSmax [23:08] <sxpert> omega: lemme get a better shot ;-) [23:08] <omega> not even a raytracer, just a GL app with textures... [23:08] <sxpert> http://www.discreet.com/images/events/siggraph2001/screenshots/Eddie_grain_31view.jpg [23:09] <omega> ok, that looks better [23:09] MSpin (jj...@12...) joined #gstreamer. [23:09] <sxpert> the menus at the bottom are pretty similar looking (I knew I saw that look somewhere) [23:10] <sxpert> http://www.discreet.com/images/events/siggraph2001/screenshots/keyer.jpg [23:11] <omega> pretty clean [23:11] <omega> what's amusing is that I've seen quite a few commericals on TV recently where the bluescreening is rather obvious [23:11] <tnt> Hey... do any of the icc have alpha values? [23:11] <omega> icc? [23:12] <tnt> omega: That's probably because of bad lighting. [23:12] <tnt> International Color Codes. [23:12] <omega> tnt: what're those? [23:12] <tnt> You're using them in GStreamer... for Video... to describe the format. [23:12] <omega> oh, the fourcc? [23:12] <tnt> Ya... those ones. [23:12] <omega> um, don't remember [23:12] <omega> www.webartz.com/fourccc/ [23:13] <omega> er, fourcc [23:13] <omega> or maybe fourcccc <g> [23:13] <richardb> synaesthesia is half done: I'll probably finish it later tonight. [23:13] Nick change: richardb -> richardb_away [23:13] <omega> cool [23:14] Nick change: wtay-brb -> wtay [23:14] <tnt> If there isn't one... we'll have to come up with a new way of describing the video format. [23:14] <taaz> hmm.. libalsaplayer now. we need to figure out some reason to link to it ;) [23:14] <tnt> :-) [23:14] <Uraeus> hehe [23:14] <taaz> make gstreamer a alsaplayer plugin ;) [23:14] <omega> tnt: if we can get libcolorspace finished, that may be what we use [23:15] <omega> but that introduces significant complexity, unless we can keep a decent list of common things like the fourcc's available [23:15] <wtay> someone should take a look at libcolorspace [23:15] <omega> which is already in libcolorspace in cvs... [23:15] <sxpert> www.webartz.com/fourcc/ [23:15] <tnt> I think vektor may have had some critisizms with libcolorspace... he should probably bring them up with everyone. [23:15] <omega> wtay: we should get on the codecs.org list, get the gcms guy there, and start discussing [23:16] <wtay> yeah [23:17] <taaz> Uraeus: going to remove GNOME from those Comment[..]= things too? [23:17] <Uraeus> taaz: no cause that is a help text description :) [23:17] <taaz> ah.. there should be an [en] one ;) [23:17] <Uraeus> taaz: but I am hoping wtay will commit a [be] translation soon :) [23:18] <Uraeus> taaz: its the default :) [23:18] <taaz> default from what? [23:18] Action: taaz has no clue what that file is ;) [23:18] <Uraeus> oops [23:18] <wtay> 'click this button'== duw met uw vettige vinger op dit knopje.. I'm going to love this.. :) [23:18] Action: Uraeus removed the english text [23:19] <Uraeus> taaz: it is the gnome2 menu entry file [23:19] Action: tnt gets back to his (paying) job. [23:19] Action: wtay tries to add transitions and effects to gnonlin [23:21] <apoc_> need my bed now ... night all [23:21] <Uraeus> apoc_: night dude [23:21] <omega> wtay: have you figured out how you're getting back from guad3c yet? [23:22] apoc_ (~ap...@dy...) left #gstreamer ("ZzZ"). [23:22] <taaz> omega: done any OLS proposels yet? [23:22] <wtay> omega: I'm going to arrange stuff this saturday [23:22] <omega> taaz: not yet, soon [23:22] <omega> wtay: fly, drive, etc.? [23:22] <wtay> omega: fly, definatly [23:23] <omega> ok, I need to get a flight to either BRU or AMS, so if you have a flight in mind that I can book online, send me the details asap [23:23] <Uraeus> ok, need to get to bed, have a customer who wants me to hold their hand tommorow [23:24] <wtay> omega: I'm going to vist a travel agent first, if that fails I'll try to book something online [23:24] Uraeus (csc...@c1...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [23:25] <taaz> Uraeus: typo in that commit [23:25] <taaz> oops.. too late [23:36] steveb (st...@no...) left irc: "l8er" [23:45] ChiefHighwater (~pa...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [23:49] Nick change: thomasvs-movie -> thomasvs [23:49] <thomasvs> wtay: does gnonlin do audio ? [23:49] chillywilly_ (~da...@d5...) joined #gstreamer. [23:49] <thomasvs> I mean, can it do audio only ? [23:49] <wtay> thomasvs: it's media agnostic [23:49] <wtay> thomasvs: I'm using audio for my testcases for now [23:49] chillywilly (da...@d5...) left irc: Killed (NickServ (Ghost: chillywilly_!~da...@d5...)) [23:49] Nick change: chillywilly_ -> chillywilly [23:51] <wtay> thomasvs: I'm cutting and joining pieces of mp3s; it quite fun :) [23:51] <wtay> s/it/it's/ [23:52] <BBB> cool :):) [23:52] <BBB> wtay: I have a failing scheduler I think [23:52] <BBB> wtay: osssrc has a get_function [23:52] <wtay> but I'm mostly using fake* plugins :) [23:52] <thomasvs> wtay: so, should I build my mixer on top of that then ? [23:52] <thomasvs> and are you committing anything ? ;) [23:52] <BBB> but when I go to state PLAYING with my own element, the loop_func doesn't get called [23:53] <wtay> thomasvs: I'm committing everything [23:53] <BBB> and if I do a pad_pull anyway, I get a "osssrc doesn't have a get-function" error [23:53] <wtay> BBB: strange [23:53] <BBB> yup..... [23:53] <BBB> any clue? [23:53] <wtay> thomasvs: it's very early, I wouldn't build an app on top of it yet :) [23:53] <BBB> I can send a --gst-mask=-1 log if you want [23:53] <wtay> BBB: no clue at all.. [23:53] <wtay> BBB: yes [23:54] <BBB> wim...@ch...? [23:54] <wtay> yup [23:55] <BBB> sent [23:56] <thomasvs> wtay: yeah, but I'm going to start converting my mpegmixer to gstreamer real soon now, I get tired of patching up stuff at the old college radio station. I want to leave them with something that works ;) [23:59] <wtay> thomasvs: well, in gnonline you would create a timeline and then run it... [23:59] <dobey> later [23:59] dobey (~dobey@141.154.95.125) left #gstreamer ("eh"). [23:59] <wtay> thomasvs: it basically runs fro start to end time and then it stops, dunno if that is what you are looking for... [00:00] --- Fri Mar 1 2002 [00:01] <BBB> now why did I get an empty reply from fetchmail-daemon@......chello.be? :P [00:01] <wtay> thomasvs: but it'll easily handle the mixing and switching of the sources for you.. [00:01] <wtay> Feb 28 23:39:32 cable-195-162-215-201 sendmail[5729]: XAA05729: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<rb...@ro...>, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=451 <rb...@ro...>... Sender domain must resolve [00:02] <BBB> well, I do exist, don't I? [00:02] Action: BBB has a DNS entry somewhere [00:02] <Company> ok, I'm off, goodnight [00:02] <BBB> I'll upload it [00:02] <BBB> nite, company [00:02] <wtay> BBB: hmm, I can ping you.. [00:03] <wtay> cya [00:03] Company (Company@pD9500546.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:03] <BBB> http://ronald.bitfreak.net/download/log [00:06] benno (~be...@pp...) joined #gstreamer. [00:06] <benno> hi [00:06] <thomasvs> wtay: can the timeline be changed while it's running ? [00:08] <BBB> of course [00:09] <BBB> that's the principle of a NLE ;) [00:10] <wtay> thomasvs: theoretically, yes [00:10] <benno> does anyone know if the Xsync extensions are already in XF 4 ? [00:11] <wtay> thomasvs: but time keeps on running, you'll have to seek back if you want to loop etc.. [00:12] <thomasvs> wtay: hm, I'm going to try it out then ;) see how far I can throw it [00:12] <thomasvs> ok, time for bed [00:13] Nick change: thomasvs -> thomasvs-sleep [00:13] <wtay> uh oh.. :) [00:13] Nick change: BBB -> BBB|zZz [00:13] Action: BBB|zZz is away: zzz [00:14] <wtay> BBB|zZz: hmm? who does a pull in the PAUSED state? [00:14] <BBB|zZz> ?? [00:14] Action: BBB|zZz doesn't [00:15] <wtay> wothing does a _pull in the state change.. [00:15] <wtay> gstrecelement [00:15] <BBB|zZz> actually [00:15] <wtay> gstrecelement:internal_audio_src_peer [00:16] <BBB|zZz> is that the problem? [00:16] <wtay> yes [00:16] Action: BBB|zZz writes that down [00:17] <wtay> the push/pull functions are not initialized in the PAUSED state [00:17] <wtay> and you can only push/pull in the chain/loop/_get functions [00:17] <BBB|zZz> does it do that when going from NULL to playing? [00:17] <BBB|zZz> or whan going from playing to null? [00:17] <wtay> PAUSED->PLAYING [00:18] <wtay> but you cannot pull in the state change function [00:18] <wtay> as other elements might still require a state change and you're not in the scheduler yet at that point [00:21] <BBB|zZz> hmm..... [00:21] <BBB|zZz> ok [00:21] Action: BBB|zZz writes that down for tomorrow [00:24] <BBB|zZz> anyway [00:24] <BBB|zZz> gnight for now [00:24] <BBB|zZz> *gone* [00:24] <wtay> nite [00:26] wingo_ (~wi...@rd...) joined #gstreamer. [00:26] wingo (wi...@rd...) left irc: "BitchX-1.0c18 -- just do it." [00:27] Nick change: wingo_ -> wingo [00:27] chillywilly_ (~da...@d2...) joined #gstreamer. [00:29] <wingo> yay, gsteditor is in the autobuild [00:30] <wtay> bah, parse doesn't do: fakesrc \!sink%d aggregator ! fakesink fakesrc src\!sink%d.aggregator1 [00:32] <wingo> arik made indentation 'fixes'? [00:33] <wingo> hmm, ok [00:37] <taaz> whee! identation free-for-all! [00:37] Action: taaz reidents the whole tree! [00:39] Action: wtay does not dare to ask who still understands gstparse.c [00:43] chillywilly (da...@d5...) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:46] Action: wingo does [00:46] <wingo> more or less [00:46] <wingo> but it needs rewriting, blah [00:47] <wingo> as a finite-state machine, perhaps? [00:48] chillywilly (~da...@d2...) joined #gstreamer. [00:51] <wtay> wingo: are you saying that you can make 'fakesrc \!sink%d aggregator ! fakesink fakesrc src\!sink%d.aggregator1' work? [00:52] <wtay> wingo: state machine makes sense... or yacc [00:52] Action: taaz notes launch syntax starting to look like line noise [00:53] <RagingMind> as long as the simple stuff still works [00:55] <benno> nite folks [00:56] <wtay> me too, see cya [00:56] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-zZz [00:56] benno (be...@pp...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [00:59] <taaz> wingo: do you still want to flex a sed/perl muscle and do that macro renaming task? [01:04] <wingo> wtay-zZz: no, i mean that it should be rewritten; i can understand how it works but i can't improve it :-/ [01:05] dobey (~do...@h0...) joined #gstreamer. [01:05] <wingo> taaz: which one? [01:05] <wingo> oh. [01:05] <wingo> hmm. [01:05] <wingo> maybe later ;) [01:08] jornaway (jo...@21...) left irc: "sleep" [01:08] <ds> taaz? [01:09] <ds> taaz: do you underatand both python and autoconf macros? [01:10] <taaz> maybe ;) [01:10] <ds> I'm having a problem not related to gstreamer [01:11] <RagingMind> bye [01:11] <taaz> <gasp> [01:11] <ds> apparently the pygtk and pygnome autoconf macros, um, start up gnome, which is bad if you 1) don't have an X server and 2) can't write to your home directory [01:11] RagingMind (Rag...@fl...) left irc: "Client Exiting" [01:11] <ds> this is causing build problems for a number of debian packages [01:12] <taaz> where they at? [01:15] ChiefHighwater (pa...@te...) left irc: [01:15] <ds> the package I hacked on is bonobo-python [01:15] <MSpin> hrm, gst-inspect gives 'couldn't construct element for some reason' for any plugin [01:16] <taaz> ds: lame answer: just wait until pygtk-2.0 is out then you can use pkg-config macro to check ;) [01:16] <ds> it's for woody. =) [01:17] <ds> anyway, I was reading the list and thought you might have some overlap [01:17] Action: taaz ponders why that package isn't called python-bonobo [01:18] <ds> well, it ignored the other half of debian python policy as well [01:20] Action: taaz looking at source... [01:20] <taaz> these m4 macros sure are clear as mud [01:21] <ds> this just occurred to me: perhaps there is a gnome autoconf macro repository that it can be ... [truncated message content] |