From: <wim...@ch...> - 2001-07-14 04:29:47
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[06:41] Kuroyi (ri...@ub...) joined #gstream= er. [06:41] wingo (wi...@rd...) left irc: Client Exiting [06:46] wingo (wi...@rd...) joined #gstreamer. [06:58] ChiefHighwater (fl...@su...) left irc: R= ead error to ChiefHighwater[sub18-226.member.dsl-only.net]: Connection re= set by peer [07:00] ChiefHighwater (fl...@su...) joined #gst= reamer. [07:09] Nick change: wingo -> wingo-rest [07:56] ChiefHighwater (fl...@su...) left irc: L= eaving [07:59] Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch [07:59] steveb (st...@no...) joined #gstreamer. [08:09] walken (fo...@c1...) joined #gstreame= r. [08:09] <walken> yop [08:09] <walken> wazzup ? [08:09] <ajmitch> hi [08:09] Action: walken running mpeg2dec on itanium today [08:10] <walken> damn, it feels superslow [08:10] <ajmitch> hehe [08:10] <ajmitch> itanium, the new wonder processor from intel? [08:13] <omega_> walken: what clock ratE? [08:17] bronson (bronson@209.157.137.89) joined #gstreamer. [08:17] <omega_> yo [08:18] <bronson> What it is. [08:18] <omega_> ? [08:18] <bronson> Hey, I'm starting a project that uses gstreamer. [08:19] <omega_> what kind? [08:19] <bronson> Should I go CVS or tarballs? [08:19] <omega_> cvs [08:19] <bronson> It's pretty stable? [08:19] <omega_> erm, for an 0.2-ish package, yeah <g> [08:19] <bronson> Good enough. [08:19] <bronson> gstreamer is pretty ideally suited for what I'm doing. [08:19] <omega_> which is? [08:20] <bronson> Capturing images, running them through some serious ima= ge processing/compression steps, transmitting them over the network, then= storing them on a big central server. [08:20] <omega_> cool [08:20] <bronson> The image processing is the tricky part. [08:20] <omega_> research or "production" ? [08:21] <bronson> Research, with a possible move towards $$ in the future= if things work out. [08:21] <omega_> heh [08:21] <omega_> is this "live" type stuff or more batch processing?> [08:21] <bronson> Hm... Live, but not real-time. [08:21] <omega_> right [08:22] <omega_> what kind of image processing? [08:22] <bronson> Edge-detection, sharpen, then serious compression. [08:22] <omega_> hmm, compression research? [08:22] <omega_> or something like a corpus for machine vision? [08:22] <bronson> Yep, machine vision. [08:22] <omega_> cool ;-) [08:23] <bronson> I hope so. :) [08:23] <bronson> We'll see. [08:23] <omega_> you at a uni? [08:23] <bronson> Nah, just unemployed now, so I get to play around with = what interests me. [08:23] <omega_> heh [08:23] <bronson> Has anyone given thought to image processing pipes? [08:23] <omega_> not afaik [08:24] <omega_> but there's not much to it really, in gstreamer [08:24] <bronson> That's what I was thinking. [08:24] <omega_> you do stuff in rgb or yuv? [08:24] <omega_> or hsv, or something else? [08:24] <bronson> Maybe a merging of Gimp plugins and video pipelines... [08:24] <bronson> Whatever I want. [08:25] <omega_> yeah, there's an effort apparently to make the gimp usab= le for movie-production pipelines.... [08:25] <bronson> Actually, I expect the final image will be 4-bit graysc= ale or so. [08:25] <omega_> several people suggested merging, and I think they were = looking at it at one point [08:25] <omega_> but haven't heard anything in a long time... [08:25] <bronson> ??? [08:25] <omega_> hrm, what format is that? [08:25] <bronson> 4-bit grayscale? [08:25] <omega_> yeah, packed 2 sampels per byte or something? [08:25] <bronson> There was gimp-film or something, that I remember. [08:25] <omega_> yeah, that's it [08:25] <bronson> But that was pretty different from gstreamer. [08:26] <omega_> had some similar characteristics [08:26] <omega_> but I'm not sure how much it really overlaps without act= ually seeing how people would use such a beast [08:26] <bronson> Nah, that was giving the Gimp 24-bit components, for fi= lm post-production. [08:26] <bronson> AFAIK, fo course. [08:26] <omega_> yeah, that too <g> [08:26] <bronson> 4-bit grayscale is just 2 pixels per byte. [08:26] <omega_> ok [08:26] <omega_> is your image set *that* large? [08:27] <bronson> Yep. :) [08:27] <omega_> why not 8-bit gray high-quality jpeg? [08:27] <omega_> or png? [08:27] <bronson> Too big. Gotta get the image size down to 2 or 3 K. [08:27] <omega_> what rez? [08:27] <bronson> Otherwise transmission costs are too high. [08:27] <bronson> Dunno, maybe 240x120 or so... [08:27] <bronson> That will take some experimentation. [08:28] <omega_> hmm that should be quite easy for jpeg to do [08:28] <omega_> better than 4bpp uncompressed [08:28] <bronson> True, but jpeg's not so happy with sharp edges. [08:28] <omega_> or do you rle the stuff? [08:28] <omega_> oh, point [08:28] <bronson> Prolly rleish. [08:28] <bronson> Dunno, I'll have to play with it. [08:28] <omega_> yeah [08:28] <bronson> Hence, gstreamer pipes. [08:28] <omega_> ;-) [08:28] <bronson> Configure a pipe, see if it's better or worse than the = last one. [08:28] <omega_> probably want to use 8-bit gray for intermediate, though [08:28] <bronson> Definitely. [08:29] <bronson> No need to quantize till the end. [08:29] <omega_> more, even, for initial stages [08:29] <omega_> are your source images always b&w ? [08:29] <bronson> Depends on if anyone still makes B&W CCDs... [08:29] <omega_> heh [08:29] <omega_> what kinds of source images? [08:29] <bronson> Well, right now I'm just using webcams. [08:30] <omega_> no, I mean the actual picture contents <g> [08:30] <bronson> Oh. Readouts. [08:30] <omega_> uh? [08:30] <bronson> Dials, switches, stripcharts, gauges, ... [08:30] <bronson> Telemetry. [08:30] <omega_> pictures of dials ? [08:30] <bronson> Yep. [08:30] <omega_> huh?? [08:31] <omega_> why not just grab the source data? [08:31] <bronson> Too obtrusive. [08:31] Action: omega_ isn't sure he wants to know <g> [08:31] <bronson> I can't change the instruments. [08:31] <omega_> hmm, interesting [08:31] Action: bronson doesn't want to give away quite everything yet. = :) [08:31] <bronson> Yeah, just something to play with. [08:32] <omega_> so you're presumably going to retrieve the data from the= se sources back into useful values, right? [08:32] <omega_> why does image size matter then? [08:32] <bronson> Well, recording them is OK for now. [08:32] <bronson> I could OCR them, but that leads to another large set o= f unreliabilites [08:33] <omega_> so you're building a corpus? [08:33] <bronson> corpus? [08:33] <omega_> in speech processing, corpus =3D=3D large database of pe= ople saying things, time-correlated with the words they're supposed to be= saying [08:33] <omega_> to be used for later study [08:34] <bronson> Ah. Yep, similar. [08:34] <bronson> But, it's more like taking a normal static gauge, and t= urning it into a stripchart. [08:34] <omega_> so at 2KB each, you're looking at 10's of millions of im= ages.... [08:34] <bronson> Yep, over time. At 1 image a second or so. [08:34] <omega_> that's a *long* time..... [08:35] <bronson> Well, over a large number of gauges. :) [08:35] <omega_> hmm, ok [08:35] <omega_> 115 days for a single camera [08:35] <omega_> or about 2.4 *years* on an 80GB drive <g> [08:36] <bronson> True. Multiply that by 1000 gauges, tho. [08:36] <omega_> yeah [08:36] <omega_> that's a lot of webcams <G> [08:36] <bronson> Izz true. [08:37] <bronson> Well, I'll grab the CVS source and look around. [08:37] <omega_> need to cluster several gauges into a single field of vi= ew <g> [08:37] <bronson> Are there any large changes being made now? [08:37] <bronson> (not a bad idea) [08:37] <omega_> an event system is going to be written soon [08:37] <omega_> but that shouldn't affect much of what you're doing [08:37] <bronson> Events, like play/pause/...? [08:37] <omega_> you'll just want to connect v4lsrc to your own processin= g plugins, and write them out to disk [08:38] <walken> omega. itanium 733. [08:38] <omega_> events like end-of-stream, seek, new-file, etc. [08:38] <walken> its a slow slow beast [08:38] <bronson> Yep. And preview. [08:38] <omega_> walken: compared to PIII of equiv rate? [08:38] <omega_> bronson: right [08:38] <walken> we got one at work to play with [08:38] <omega_> the tee is going to need a little bit of work to handle = preview [08:38] <omega_> because the caps negotiation is still problematic [08:38] <walken> omega. I'm downloading my usual test stream so I can rea= lly compare [08:39] <omega_> so v4lsrc, your code, and the videosink may have trouble= agreeing on a single format ;-( [08:39] <omega_> walken: ok [08:39] <omega_> bronson: wtay is going to be rewriting capsnego in order= to handle that case better, soon [08:39] <bronson> Hm. Could do format conversion on the fly, yes? [08:39] <omega_> yes [08:39] <walken> judging subjectively from the decoding speed of the conf= ormance test streams, I dont expect to get more than about 50 fps with nu= llslice output [08:39] <omega_> you can take two sets of caps for different formats, and= use the autoplugger [08:39] <walken> but if I only get 20 I wont be much surprised either [08:39] <omega_> if there's a valid sequence of elements that will do tha= t conversion, it will create it [08:40] <omega_> walken: as compared to? [08:40] <walken> 110-115 on a pIII 666 [08:40] <omega_> hmmmm [08:40] <omega_> CIF ? [08:40] <walken> southpark DVD [08:40] <walken> part of it [08:40] <omega_> hmmmmmm [08:40] <walken> first 165.3 MB actually [08:40] <omega_> that seems really high for a ~700 [08:41] <walken> for an itanic ? [08:41] <omega_> bronson: when you get it compiled (check REQUIREMENTS to= make sure you have the dependent libs for each of the plugins you're gon= na want), check back and we can get you started with some stuff to get yo= u familiar with the thing [08:41] <omega_> and check out the slides and docs on the website [08:42] <omega_> walken: 100-115 for a PIII 700 seems very high for a DVD [08:42] <bronson> omega_: actually, I've done that. Compiled the tarball. [08:42] <omega_> bronson: hmm, ok [08:42] <omega_> bronson: have you messed with gstreamer-launch ? [08:42] <bronson> Nah, I haven't tried to run it yet. [08:42] <walken> omega. nullslice output...... [08:42] <walken> speeds things up a lot [08:42] Action: bronson could try that right now... [08:42] <omega_> walken: meaning what specifically? [08:43] <omega_> bronson: try ./gstreamer-launch disksrc location=3Dsome.= mp3 ! autoplugger ! osssink [08:43] <walken> meaning no actual output or color conversion - nothing [08:43] <walken> just decompressing the stream [08:43] <omega_> walken: yeah? that shouldn't make a significant differe= nce [08:43] <walken> it makes a huge difference [08:43] <omega_> hmm, wow [08:43] <walken> even with xv output [08:43] <omega_> oh, right. [08:43] <omega_> because Xv =02*SUCKS!*=02 [08:44] <ajmitch> hehe [08:44] <walken> here I get about 150 fps with nullslice and 90 with xv [08:44] <omega_> I just got 68 for bullet.vob on my PIII 500 [08:44] Action: ajmitch would get about 10fps [08:44] <omega_> ajmitch needs to get a new computer [08:44] <ajmitch> :P [08:44] <walken> ok, so on the first few megs of the stream, I get 30 fps= on the itanium [08:44] <omega_> ouch [08:44] <ajmitch> gah [08:44] <omega_> is that because the compiler sucks, or because the chip = sucks? [08:44] <omega_> isn't it vliw? [08:45] <walken> (these are actually a lot of black pictures, I'd get at = least 150 fps on a pIII 666 there) [08:45] <omega_> that would make the compiler a really really big part of= the picture [08:45] <walken> yeah... [08:45] <walken> its gcc for ia64 [08:45] <walken> I think both suck :) [08:45] <omega_> walken: written asm mcomp for it yet? [08:45] <walken> no :) [08:45] <walken> I dont think I will [08:46] <omega_> ajmitch: see /usr/src/linux/arch/ppc/math-emu/double.h:9 [08:46] <walken> doh - I realized the standard gcc doesnt have the nice a= ltivec vector support [08:46] <walken> that sucks :( [08:46] <omega_> grrrr [08:46] <omega_> gcc seems really slow about getting these things, which = is stupid [08:46] <ajmitch> haha [08:46] <walken> yeah :(( [08:47] <omega_> I thought intel was supporting gcc, which means there's = no excuse for not having sse2 opcodes and such [08:47] <omega_> and functioning mmx/sse register constraints [08:47] <omega_> ajmitch: saw that as a fortune on /. yesterday [08:49] <walken> whats the line ? [08:49] <walken> I dont have the right kernel here [08:49] <omega_> whoah. $530 for a VA 2130, PIII 533, 128MB, 10GB, CD, r= ackmount server [08:49] <omega_> walken: check it out, you have sources <g> [08:50] <walken> not on this machine [08:50] <omega_> #if _FP_W_TYPE_SIZE < 32 [08:50] <omega_> #error "Here's a nickel kid. Go buy yourself a real com= puter." [08:50] <omega_> #endif [08:50] <walken> not for this kernel [08:50] <walken> lol :) [08:50] <omega_> walken: so where could I find some asm-level docs on the= merced? [08:50] <bronson> omega_: Well, after creating gstreamer's etc directory = by hand and running gstreamer-register, it works beautifully. [08:50] Action: omega_ =02hates=02 the name "Itanium" [08:50] <omega_> bronson: plays the mp3 and such? [08:51] <bronson> Yep. Sounds great. [08:51] <omega_> try an mpeg video [08:51] <omega_> same command line, just change the filename [08:51] <bronson> Hm, that'll take some time to d/l... [08:51] <bronson> Maybe off a DVD? [08:51] <omega_> um.... decrypted, maybe [08:51] <omega_> lemme try [08:52] <omega_> problem is ac3dec doesn't have caps afaik [08:52] <omega_> oh, wait [08:52] <walken> caps ? [08:52] <omega_> autoplugger element can't do anything but elementary str= eams atm [08:52] <omega_> walken: description of the media format; mime/type + key= /value pairs [08:52] <walken> oh [08:52] <walken> gstreamer-ac3dec :) [08:52] <omega_> audio/mp3, bitrate=3D128, framed=3Dno, channels=3D2, etc. [08:52] <omega_> walken: um, yeah, this =02is=02 #gstreamer ;-) [08:53] <walken> btw, I have a LOT of ac3dec updates, you might want to s= ync sometime [08:53] <omega_> walken: you release 0.2.1 ? [08:53] <walken> of libmpeg2 ? [08:53] <walken> I should [08:53] <omega_> no, ac3 [08:53] <walken> that would be 0.7.0 then [08:53] <omega_> or whatever the next ver is [08:53] <walken> or 0.6.something [08:53] <omega_> right [08:53] <walken> yeah, I will release it anytime soon [08:53] <omega_> bronson: http://gstreamer.net/media/ [08:53] <walken> I need to get rid of the remaining globals [08:54] <omega_> walken: please do [08:54] <omega_> bronson: grab everest.m1v (935KB) [08:54] <bronson> OK, but I'm on dialup... [08:54] <bronson> Sure, that won't take too long. [08:54] <omega_> hmmm... something's broken [08:55] <omega_> I don't get a video window [08:55] <omega_> you do at least have to replace osssink with xvideosink = or sdlvideosink, of course <g> [08:55] <omega_> but it doesn't work for me ;-( [08:55] <omega_> it seems to be decoding, but not displaying [08:55] <omega_> darn [08:56] Action: walken wonders how itanic will sell [08:56] <omega_> but gstmediaplay should have no trouble [08:56] <omega_> walken: um, if they hire Celine Dion...... [08:56] <walken> this is a piece of crap with a giant marketing machine a= ttached [08:57] <walken> you should see the heatsink for that beast [08:57] <omega_> walken: why do you think AMD calls theirs' the Sledgeham= mer ?? [08:57] <walken> or just for the voltage regulator module [08:57] <omega_> um, no thx <g> [08:57] <walken> VRM is just as big as the CPU itself [08:57] <omega_> pfff [08:57] <ajmitch> ouch [08:57] <ajmitch> runs hot? [08:57] <omega_> ajmitch: you need a permit from the fire dept..... [08:58] <walken> I didnt try to touch it [08:58] Action: ajmitch imagines having an itanic in each room, just to h= eat the house ;) [08:58] <walken> there is 3 big fans in front of it with some polystyrene= (or something) coating to guide the fresh air to the processor and VRM a= nd nowhere else [08:58] <omega_> oh, duh! that's so they can =02melt=02 the icebergs..... [08:59] <ajmitch> lol [08:59] <bronson> If nothing else, that sounds like it looks pretty sweet= . :) [08:59] Action: omega_ wonders whether he should stand up.... [09:00] <walken> oh yeah, it *looks* super cool :) [09:00] <walken> (or super hot, depending on your point of view) [09:00] <omega_> walken: are the sink fins annodized tie-die or something= ? [09:00] <omega_> s/die/dye/ ... [09:00] <walken> no :) [09:01] <omega_> or blue, to match the Blue Man thing.... [09:02] <bronson> omega_: it doesn't work for me either. [09:02] <bronson> everest.m1v [09:02] <omega_> bronson: with gstmediaplay? [09:02] <bronson> uh? wasn't I supposed to run gstreamer-launch ... | sd= lvideosink? [09:03] <omega_> yeah, try gstmediaplay, it should work better [09:03] <omega_> I can't seem to find the code in -launch that's supposed= to actually show the window, which is a problem [09:03] <omega_> walken: so you're saying I should but AMD stock? [09:03] <omega_> s/but/buy/ [09:03] <bronson> How do I invoke gstmediaplay? [09:03] <omega_> just run it [09:03] <bronson> Well, amd plummeted 10 points last week. [09:04] <bronson> It's a bargain now. [09:04] Action: omega_ looks [09:04] <bronson> _this_ week. [09:04] <omega_> oooh, nice cycle [09:05] <omega_> about every 8 days [09:05] Action: omega_ senses some quick cash <g> [09:05] <walken> omega. I say you shouldnt buy an itanic :) [09:05] <omega_> walken: same difference [09:05] <walken> and I wonder if mckinley will be any good [09:06] <omega_> next gen p4 ? [09:06] <bronson> gstmediaplay doesn't get installed with make install? [09:06] <walken> nect gen itanic [09:06] <omega_> it should [09:06] <walken> except that one was designed by hp engineers not intel [09:06] <omega_> walken: um, shouldn't they get the =02itanic=02 right, s= hipped, recalled, and re-shipped =02FIRST=02? [09:06] <walken> rumor says its much faster - well, I dont think it could= be much slower :) [09:07] <omega_> walken: makes you wonder if intel has some warehouse ful= l of old p5's to get rid of [09:07] <omega_> extract the die, cram 50 into a cartridge, and call it "= new and improved" [09:07] <omega_> bronson: do you have GNOME? [09:07] <bronson> yep [09:08] <omega_> hmmm, see if there's a binary in the build dir? [09:08] <bronson> nyet [09:08] <omega_> hmm, odd [09:08] <bronson> making... [09:08] <omega_> oh, libglade-gnome ? [09:08] <omega_> you have ximian ? [09:08] <bronson> Nah, just the Debian unstable stuff. [09:08] <omega_> hmmm [09:08] <bronson> Too many conflicts with Ximian. [09:09] <omega_> check the configure output when you autogen CVS, see if = there's something missing that's listed in the player's Makefile.am [09:09] <bronson> libglade-gnome 0.16-4 installed. [09:09] <omega_> eventually the configure will actually *tell* you what a= ll isn't gonna be built based on what libs it does and doesn't find [09:09] <omega_> but we're still working through some autoconf/automake d= eficiencies [09:09] <bronson> I've got a Makefile here. That means that configure wa= s happy, right? [09:10] <bronson> :q [09:10] <bronson> (whoops) [09:10] <omega_> bronson: nope [09:10] <bronson> ah. [09:10] <omega_> only happy if the *parent* dir's Makefile lists that dir= ... [09:11] <bronson> Main makefile: #SUBDIRS_LGG =3D gstplay editor [09:11] <bronson> (commented out) [09:11] Action: omega_ wimpers as he makes the mistake of looking at his = portfolio [09:11] <omega_> bronson: that's LGG =3D libglade-gnome [09:11] <omega_> you'll want to check to see why configure didn't find it [09:11] <omega_> config.log maybe [09:11] <bronson> ok, I'm on it... [09:12] <omega_> my stocks are worth =021/40th=02 of what they peaked at [09:12] <bronson> configure:10182: checking for libglade-config config= ure:10211: result: no [09:12] <omega_> hmm [09:12] <bronson> (ow) [09:12] <omega_> try to run it? [09:12] <omega_> or `which libglade-config` [09:12] <bronson> ./configure, doing that right now. [09:12] <omega_> no, libglade-config [09:13] <omega_> see if it's installed/in your path [09:14] <bronson> no. investigating... [09:16] <bronson> apt-get install libglade0-dev [09:16] <bronson> (that should fix it) [09:16] <omega_> um, stock question: AMD is trading at 22.60. I want to = buy it if it stays below 25. if I set a limit order at 25, and it opens = tomorrow below that, does it become a market order immediately? [09:16] <omega_> bronson: yup <G> [09:17] <omega_> or, does the limit order only *edge* trigger? [09:17] <bronson> Yep. No, it's a level trigger. [09:17] <omega_> ok, good [09:17] <bronson> (or should be, won't speak for your broker. :) [09:17] <omega_> etrade [09:17] <omega_> so as long as it doesn't break 25 *before* tomorrows tra= ding (could), I'll get it at +- opening price for the day... [09:18] sbaker (ste...@21...) joined #gstreamer. [09:18] <omega_> it jumped 1.5 last night..... [09:18] <omega_> so there's a chance it might break 25 before tomorrow op= ens [09:18] Nick change: sbaker -> steveb_ [09:18] <omega_> sbaker: /me is gonna buy AMD [09:18] <bronson> Check after hours prices? [09:19] <omega_> +.15 [09:19] <steveb_> omega_: its a good club to join :) [09:19] <omega_> steveb_: yeah, the graph shows a nice +-8-10 on an ~8day= cycle [09:19] <omega_> in, out, in out, =3D=3D $$$$ [09:19] <ajmitch> hehe [09:20] Action: omega_ prepares to go to a tax person again next year.... [09:20] <steveb_> oh, i thought you were buying a new pc - not stock! [09:21] <omega_> heh [09:21] <omega_> steveb_: that too [09:21] <omega_> but walken here has been telling us about his experience= s with the itanic [09:23] <omega_> grrr, it won't accept my trading password [09:25] <bronson> what are all the sed commands doing during the configur= e step? [09:25] <bronson> processor's peaked... [09:26] <omega_> that's just what configure does [09:26] <omega_> it always does it, but there are a lot more things for c= onfigure to do in the gstreamer package [09:26] <omega_> so it takes a ridiculously long time [09:26] <omega_> sed is the wrong tool, but autoconf doesn't have an opti= on to use perl for that ;-( [09:27] <bronson> oh well. it's not TOO painful. [09:27] <omega_> it is when you have to configure a lot ;-( [09:28] <steveb_> omega_: I have made some changes to get gstreamer to bu= ild with the latest glib2 cvs [09:28] <omega_> ok [09:28] <steveb_> lots of: [09:28] <steveb_> < g_signal_connectc (G_OBJECT(src), "new_pad", [09:28] <steveb_> < G_CALLBACK (gst_autoplug_pads_autop= lug_func), sink, FALSE); [09:28] <steveb_> --- [09:28] <steveb_> > g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT(src), "new_pad", [09:28] <steveb_> > G_CALLBACK (gst_autoplug_pads_autop= lug_func), sink); [09:28] <omega_> ok [09:28] <omega_> good, I never did like that.... [09:28] <omega_> the convenience macro was added just after I changed it = all to connectc, so I never bothered to change it back [09:29] <steveb_> and g_signal_newc is renamed to g_signal_new [09:29] <omega_> heh, great [09:29] <steveb_> oh, and [09:29] <steveb_> < g_type_init(0); [09:29] <steveb_> --- [09:29] <steveb_> > g_type_init(); [09:30] <omega_> guess I should update glib [09:30] <omega_> whoah [09:30] <steveb_> just a minor api change :) [09:30] <steveb_> should i wait for another glib snapshot release before = committing? [09:31] <omega_> oh, um [09:31] <omega_> good thing I didn't =02install=02 the latest glib <g> [09:32] <omega_> probably, yes [09:33] <bronson> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lglade-gnome [09:33] <bronson> great... [09:33] <bronson> investigating... [09:41] <bronson> OK, ld is requiring static libs. glade-gnome and gnome= ui don't have .a versions, just .so. [09:41] <bronson> So, it doesn't find them. [09:43] <ajmitch> hmm, it works here [09:43] <bronson> what dist? [09:43] <ajmitch> i've always been able to compile gstmediaplay=20 [09:43] <ajmitch> debian unstable, of course [09:43] <omega_> bronson: do you have the -dev packages for everything? [09:43] <ajmitch> are there any others worth mentioning? ;) [09:43] <bronson> I think so. [09:44] <bronson> ajmitch: do you have /usr/lib/libgnomeui.a ? [09:44] <ajmitch> yes [09:45] <bronson> dpkg --seearch !$ ? [09:45] <ajmitch> am looking [09:45] <ajmitch> libgnome-dev [09:46] <bronson> Oh, I'm getting some dependency errors now. [09:46] <bronson> Looks like I had a little bubble of outdated packages. [09:46] <bronson> This'll take a while... [09:46] <bronson> Funny how dpkg only notices this when I ask it specific= ally about libgnome-dev... [09:47] <ajmitch> hehe [09:47] <ajmitch> and what about apt-get dist-upgrade? [09:47] <bronson> Just did it this morning. [09:48] <bronson> Hopefully that's up-to-date enough. :) [09:48] <ajmitch> weird [09:48] <bronson> Yeah, it looks like libdb3-dev, libesd0-dev, and a few = others were missed too. [09:49] <bronson> Dunno. But I bet that fixes it. [09:50] <bronson> I've kept a list of all the packages I had to install f= or gstreamer... [09:50] <bronson> apt-get install nasm libglade0-dev libgnome-dev hermes1= -dev libghttp-dev libavifile-dev libquicktime4linux-dev libsndfile-dev li= bgsm1-dev libvorbis-dev xmms-dev libcdparanoia0-dev [09:51] <ajmitch> ouch [09:51] <omega_> oh, that's gotta hurt [09:51] Action: omega_ hands bronson a DSL [09:51] Action: bronson takes it with enthusiasm [09:51] Action: ajmitch lends bronson his 33.6k modem [09:51] <omega_> ooooh, EQL'd 33.6's! yay! [09:52] <ajmitch> lol [09:52] <bronson> I'd get DSL or cable, but I'm moving out of this rat ho= le in 2 months... [09:52] <bronson> they all want 1 year terms. [09:52] <bronson> I can deal for the next 60 days, but it is hard... :) [09:52] Action: ajmitch can't get cable [09:54] <bronson> ajmitch: or DSL? Do you live in the US? [09:54] Action: ajmitch will wait until next year before being able to ge= t DSL [09:54] <ajmitch> nope, NZ [10:05] <walken> hmmmmmmmmm [10:05] <walken> I used to do about 100-300 KB/s with my workplace (which= is less than 10 hops away) [10:05] <walken> now I'm down to about 15 [10:05] <ajmitch> ouch [10:05] <omega_> walken: the MPAA found you, time to move again [10:05] <walken> and all att could tell me is to reset my cable modem [10:06] <walken> I think I know what happens [10:06] <walken> I had digital cable too and I unsubscribed [10:06] <walken> so they might have plugged a line filter in the box down= stairs [10:06] <omega_> hmm [10:07] <omega_> that would be stupid^Wnormal [10:07] <walken> well I know I had a line filter in that box originally [10:08] <walken> then when they installed my cable modem they put a line = splitter in my home and they moved the filter so the cable modem has no f= ilter and the tv box has a filter [10:08] <walken> (different filter from what they removed, since that one= lets the digital tv go thru) [10:08] <omega_> sounds like att sent an idiot (surprise!) to your site [10:09] steveb_ (ste...@21...) left irc: Read error= to steveb_[212186169160.chello.com]: EOF from client [10:12] <walken> support is nice too [10:12] <walken> they asked me if I'm "familiar with a power cycle" [10:12] <omega_> "um, yeah, that's 60Hz, right?" [10:27] Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy [10:27] <bronson> omega_: ok, it's all built. gstmediaplay runs, I try t= o open everest, then it segfaults. No movie... [10:27] <bronson> I don't think this is why, but this is part of the outp= ut: WARNING: plugin /usr/lib/avifile/libmjpeg.so.0 could not be opened: /= usr/lib/avifile/libmjpeg.so.0: undefined symbol: DecodeFrame__13IVideoDec= oderPciUidib [10:30] <omega_> hmm [10:31] <omega_> run gstmediaplay <file> --gst-mask=3D-1 [10:31] <omega_> past the last few lines [10:31] <omega_> er, paste [10:31] <bronson> same result, pasting... [10:32] Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch [10:32] <bronson> hang on... [10:33] <bronson> huh. I had neglected to run gstreamer-register. [10:33] <bronson> AGAIN, after making with the new config. [10:33] <bronson> Works now. [10:33] <omega_> hmm [10:33] Action: omega_ needs to rewrite the plugin handling [10:34] <bronson> Tell me if you want me to look deeper at something... [10:34] <ajmitch> what can be changed w.r.t the plugin handling? ;) [10:34] <ajmitch> i thought it was partly glib's fault [10:34] <omega_> ajmitch: the whole thing.... [10:34] <omega_> no, it's the way the registry works [10:35] <omega_> and I just realized the change will coincide with change= s needed to allow static linking of plugins, too [10:35] <walken> hmmmm [10:35] Nick change: wingo-rest -> wingo [10:35] <walken> actually maybe my superslow transfers are due to the fac= t I was uploading not downloading [10:35] <omega_> walken: don [10:35] <omega_> er, doh [10:35] Action: omega_ needs to go to sleep [10:35] Action: wingo can't sleep, so he plays with gstreamer ;) [10:35] <omega_> heh [10:36] <ajmitch> hehe [10:36] Action: bronson concurs [10:36] <walken> it seems than when I upload stuff that fucks up my conne= ction, but when I just download I'm fine [10:36] <omega_> hmm, uploading and cable modems tends not to mix [10:36] <omega_> "don't do that!" [10:36] <omega_> anyway.... zzzzzz [10:36] <omega_> l8r all [10:36] <walken> is this an artificial limit they put, or ? [10:36] <omega_> both [10:37] <bronson> Thanks omega. [10:37] <walken> suxxors [10:37] <bronson> One last q: [10:37] <wingo> 'nigh [10:37] <walken> they make my 1st hop go to 500+ ms [10:37] <bronson> does gstmediaplay actually quit? [10:37] <wingo> t [10:37] <omega_> bronson: um.... <g> [10:37] <bronson> Or does it crash every time? :) [10:37] <omega_> yes. [10:37] <omega_> event system will fix that [10:37] Action: omega_ needs to get on with it [10:37] <bronson> Cool. good night! [10:37] Action: omega_ will do some hacking in the car on the way back fr= om SJ tomorrow [10:38] Action: omega_ needs to charge his other laptop battery <g> [10:38] <bronson> Get an inverter. [10:38] Action: omega_ needs to sleep...=20 [10:38] <bronson> like 35 bucks. [10:38] <omega_> yeah, maybe [10:38] <bronson> Fry's. [10:38] <omega_> but ChiefHighwater wants me to get a permit tomorrow so = I can drive part of the way...... [10:39] <ajmitch> lol [10:39] <omega_> so chances are I'll be driving part of the time [10:39] <ajmitch> night omega_ :) [10:39] <bronson> type one-handed... [10:39] <bronson> the other on the wheel. :) [10:39] <omega_> get permit, fly to SJ, sleep, go to electronics flea mar= ket, top off fluids, drive "new" $510 rx7 from San Jose to Portland [10:39] <bronson> You going to Foothill? [10:39] <omega_> eek, yeah, I need to get sleep while I can <g> [10:39] <omega_> eh? [10:40] <bronson> The flea market. Foothill's? [10:40] <omega_> no idea [10:40] <omega_> monthly thing, open-air, etc. [10:40] <omega_> buy tools and scopes and chips and such [10:40] <bronson> probably. have fun. [10:40] <omega_> you in SJ ? [10:40] <bronson> SF. Close enough. [10:41] <omega_> hmm, you go to that? [10:41] <bronson> Foothill? Back when I hacked hardware. [10:41] <omega_> heh [10:41] <bronson> Back when I had a room to put the scopes and solder sta= tions in... [10:41] <omega_> if you go tomorrow, we should try to meet <G> [10:41] <omega_> hehehe [10:41] <bronson> Um, I think it's on Saturday... [10:41] <bronson> I don't know of one on Friday. [10:41] <omega_> right, tomorrow [10:41] <bronson> When is it? [10:41] <omega_> look at the clock <G> [10:41] <bronson> Ah, yes. [10:42] Action: walken in SF too [10:42] <walken> well redwood city actually [10:42] <omega_> oh, right, /me forgot that [10:42] <omega_> gee, we should meet [10:42] <bronson> greetz. :) [10:42] <walken> omega. you're around SF these days ???? [10:42] <bronson> Awesome... http://www.electronicsfleamarket.com/ [10:42] <omega_> will be flying in tomorrow evening, driving out Sat ~noo= n [10:43] <bronson> They've come a long way since I last went. [10:43] <bronson> (1998 or so?) [10:43] <omega_> hmm, I'll xref that, see if it's the same [10:43] <bronson> July 14 [10:43] <bronson> =A8 [10:43] <bronson> West Valley Amateur Radio Association [10:43] <bronson> Prolly that's the one. [10:43] <bronson> You looking for anything in particular? [10:44] <omega_> me? nothing specific [10:44] <omega_> I'd like to find some white LEDs for a reasonable price [10:44] <omega_> but mostly just messing around [10:44] <bronson> It's awesome. But get up early. [10:44] <walken> you mean you're only here for friday evening and saturda= y morning ? [10:44] <omega_> I got $$ from Southwest for a bump, paid for the ticket [10:44] <bronson> All the good stuff is gone by 8AM. [10:44] <walken> or do you stay one week [10:44] <bronson> Most serious guys get there at 6:30. [10:44] <omega_> walken: yeah, was gonna fly back Sat evening, but ChiefH= ighwater bought a car we have to drive back [10:44] <bronson> It's brutal, but it can pay off big. [10:45] <omega_> bronson: eek, we're both very *late*-morning ppl [10:45] <bronson> well, it's still awesome at 10AM. People start leaving= at 11:30. [10:45] <omega_> heh [10:46] <omega_> that's what CHW's wife mentioned [10:46] <bronson> I remember it being worth setting the alarm... [10:46] <omega_> doh [10:46] <walken> wow, itanic is up to 27 fps now [10:46] <omega_> you mean the bucket-o-cold-water alarm? [10:46] <walken> by the end of the stream it might reach the 30 [10:46] <bronson> if it has to be... [10:47] <bronson> Just depends on how aggro you are. :) [10:47] <omega_> aggro? [10:47] <bronson> If you just want to browse, you just need to show befor= e 11... [10:47] <omega_> ah [10:47] Action: omega_ wants to actually maybe get stuff.... so early it = is ;-( [10:47] <omega_> bronson: so any chance you'll be there? [10:48] <bronson> I may cruise down. You have a cell phone? [10:48] <omega_> yup [10:48] <bronson> e-mail me the number. [10:48] <omega_> /msg'd you the # a min ago [10:48] <bronson> br...@ri... [10:48] <bronson> eh? [10:48] <bronson> looking... [10:49] <bronson> dunno. [10:49] <bronson> xchat doesn't seem to be cooperating. [10:49] <omega_> flight is at 6:35pm, so will be leaving home ~5pm [10:49] <omega_> that work? [10:50] <walken> omega. when do you want to meet ? [10:50] <walken> I suppose you have plans too [10:50] <omega_> walken: kinda vague atm [10:50] <walken> and its gonna be the 14th of july (french party time) [10:50] <omega_> doh [10:50] <bronson> I'll cruise down for the show Saturday morning. [10:50] <omega_> I'll check with CHW, if you can drop by IRC by around 4p= m we can sync [10:51] <bronson> But msgs don't seem to be showing up (Grrr). [10:51] <omega_> hmm, I emailed it [10:51] <bronson> email me? bronson2rinspin.com [10:51] <bronson> cool [10:51] <bronson> s/2/@/ of course. :) [10:51] <omega_> right <g> [10:51] <walken> omega. email is probably best for me... [10:51] <walken> well I have your cell... [10:51] <omega_> walken: did you get the msg? [10:51] <omega_> yeah [10:51] <omega_> walken: ok, I'll email you both with any specifics (time= s, etc.) [10:51] <walken> say, email me your plans and I'll call you in the evenin= g [10:51] <omega_> walken: ok [10:52] <omega_> meantime, /sleep [10:52] Action: omega_ means it this time <g> [10:52] <bronson> Got the #. Thanks. g'night [10:52] <walken> email me your cell again too so I dont loose it :) but I= shouldnt - but right now I have it on paper only [10:52] <omega_> l8r all [10:52] <walken> cya [10:52] <omega_> sent [10:52] omega_ (om...@om...) left irc: Z@=10 [10:53] <bronson> walken: you got that? [10:53] <walken> yup :) [10:54] <bronson> I'm busy tomorrow, but I think I'll go to the show on S= at. [10:54] <bronson> It's fun stuff. [10:54] <walken> what show are you talking about [10:54] <bronson> The Foothill Flea Market. [10:54] <walken> oh [10:54] <walken> I have a friend going too [10:54] <bronson> competition. :) [10:55] <walken> I'm more into friday night parties though :) [10:55] <bronson> Agreed. [10:55] <bronson> Bed time for me. [10:55] <bronson> Good night! [10:55] <walken> you want to hang out sometime ? [10:55] <walken> 'night :) [10:55] <bronson> Yeah. Maybe lunching after the show? [10:56] <walken> might be cool [10:56] <walken> wheres that show ? [10:56] <walken> SF ? [10:56] <bronson> Foothill College. Near you. [10:56] <walken> good [10:56] <bronson> for you. :) [10:56] <walken> :) [10:56] <bronson> See you... [10:56] <walken> hmmm [10:57] <walken> if you go with omega maybe you could come by my place wh= en you're done [10:57] bronson (bronson@209.157.137.89) left #gstreamer. [11:40] Nick change: wingo -> wingo-sleep [11:55] walken (fo...@c1...) left irc: l8r [13:09] Nick change: ajmitch -> ajzzzz [13:26] greg_ (gr...@ho...) joined #gstreamer. [14:35] dobey (do...@dr...) joined #gstreamer. [14:38] <greg_> hi dobey ! hi All! [14:38] <dobey> hi greg [14:39] <greg_> dobey: what is current time at Your locations (where are = You BTW ?) [14:39] <dobey> 8:40 AM [14:39] <dobey> boston [14:39] <greg_> dobey: thanks. I am waiting for bugzilla developers to wa= ke up. ;-) [14:40] <dobey> heh [14:40] dobey (do...@dr...) left irc: Read error to dobe= y[dreadnought.ximian.com]: EOF from client [14:40] dobey (do...@dr...) joined #gstreamer. [14:40] <dobey> fscking nautilus [14:40] <greg_> dobey: I know there is a way to get current time in any t= imezone using unix tools. Just forgot how to. [14:41] <dobey> just set your system clock to gmt, and change your timezo= ne for one of the million clock thingies [14:42] <greg_> dobey: linus used it in an email with information where h= is daughter was born ;-) [14:42] <dobey> heh [14:42] <greg_> dobey: my system and me gonna get crazy after playing wit= h timezones like this ;0 [14:42] <dobey> heh [14:42] <dobey> just do what i do, and ignore the time [14:44] greg_ (gr...@ho...) left irc: Read error to greg_[home.sen= te.pl]: EOF from client [14:46] greg__ (gr...@ho...) joined #gstreamer. [14:46] <dobey> yay [14:47] <greg__> dobey: what's that ? does it hurts ? ;-) [14:47] <greg__> /s/hurts/hurt/ [14:47] <dobey> heh [16:17] sbaker (ste...@21...) joined #gstreamer. [16:18] sbaker (ste...@21...) left irc: quit has st= eveb, yes [17:28] <dobey> http://dobey.free.fr/screens/ [17:28] <dobey> nice? [17:30] Nick change: wtay-zZz -> wtay [17:30] <wtay> yo [17:34] dobey (do...@dr...) left irc: Ping timeout for d= obey[dreadnought.ximian.com] [17:35] dobey (do...@dr...) joined #gstreamer. [17:35] <dobey> that sucked [17:35] Nick change: wingo-sleep -> wingo [17:35] <wingo> 'morning [17:35] <wtay> hi [17:35] <dobey> whee [17:52] <wingo> wtay: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D= 87667&repeatmerged=3Dyes [17:53] <wingo> i'm reading up on PIC stuff, but if you've got any insigh= t, let me know [17:53] <wingo> anyway, i've got to go to work now ;) [17:53] Nick change: wingo -> wingo-job [17:57] <taaz> ohh wingo, please fix the PIC stuff ;) [17:57] Nick change: wingo-job -> wingo [17:57] <wingo> yeah, that looks like a real bitch! [17:57] <taaz> i've looked into it a bit... [17:58] <taaz> and since its a lintian error it really needs to be fixed [17:58] <taaz> have you looked at the lintian test that fails? it greps = some objdump output and fails when it finds certain stuff [18:00] <wingo> no, not yet, i was just reading up on deb's last night ;)= maybe i'll get to look at it later today. i sure would be nice to get ou= t some packages ;) [18:00] <wingo> s/i sure/it sure/ [18:01] <taaz> yeah, i've been swamped with stuff to do lately. then i g= ot Gras Turismo 3 yesterday ;)... they are almost working... but my last = attempt broke the lib deps for some reason [18:02] <taaz> s/Gras/Gran/ [18:04] <taaz> http://gstreamer.net/releases/debian/ has the latest build= and the diff to the 0.2.1 tarball i'm using [18:06] <wingo> i'll check that out. it's a huge project, packaging all o= f those plugins... thanks for your work, without debs no one would use my= app <g> [18:08] <taaz> yeah, it's kind of big, which is why i'm not done yet ;) = that stupid lib dep thing is only thing stopping this from wider testing.= the PIC thing doesn't seem to actually matter for functionality as far = as i can tell [18:09] <taaz> and those mpeg2dec packages there have the same issue. :( [18:09] <wingo> but the debian gods are displeased nonetheless ;) hey, wh= at about mpg123's license? [18:23] Nick change: wingo -> wingo-work [18:36] Zeenix (programmer@203.135.12.69) joined #gstreamer. [18:36] <Zeenix> hi [18:38] <Zeenix> can't hear anybody, hmm... , i think its the same prob. [18:40] Zeenix (programmer@203.135.12.69) left irc: Leaving [18:43] Zeenix (dwdwdwdfwf@203.135.12.69) joined #gstreamer. [18:43] <Zeenix> hi [18:43] <wtay> yo [18:43] <dobey> oi [18:43] <Zeenix> wtay: hmm..., i sent you the wrong file [18:44] <Zeenix> i wanted to send you the mpgPlayer2.c, see if it works o= n your PC [18:44] <wtay> ok [18:44] <Zeenix> wtay: i cant do it just now, i'll do it after 4-5 min. [18:45] <dobey> oi! oi! [18:45] <wtay> dobey: oi <g> [18:45] <wtay> dobey: how's life? [18:45] <dobey> ok [18:45] <dobey> how's yours? (mayam) [18:45] <dobey> heh [18:46] <wtay> dobey: pretty good, I'm a bit tired though... [18:46] <dobey> heh [18:48] <Zeenix> wtay: sending.... [18:48] <Zeenix> wtay: sent mpgPlayer2.c [18:51] <Zeenix> wtay: got lost in the movie ? [18:51] <wtay> ? [18:51] <dobey> i am also tired [18:53] <Zeenix> wtay: you got the file ? [18:53] <wtay> not yet [18:54] <Zeenix> wtay: ahhh..., email: wim...@ch... ? [18:55] <wtay> taym=034a=031ns [18:56] <Zeenix> wtay: any min. Hardware Requirements for gstreamer ? [18:56] <wtay> Zeenix: depends on what you want to do with it [18:57] <wtay> Zeenix: generally, the faster the better [18:59] <Zeenix> wtay: sent [18:59] <Zeenix> wtay: check you inbox again plz [18:59] <wtay> got it [19:03] <wtay> works fine on a vob [19:05] Zeenix (dwdwdwdfwf@203.135.12.69) left irc: Ping timeout for Zeen= ix[203.135.12.69] [19:07] Zeenix (dwdwdwdfwf@203.135.12.69) joined #gstreamer. [19:07] <Zeenix> wtay: ? [19:07] ChiefHighwater (pa...@te...) joined #gstreamer. [19:07] <wtay> works fine for vob, doesn't work for mpeg1 [19:08] <Zeenix> wtay: mpeg2 ? [19:08] <wtay> Zeenix: yup, only works with mpeg2 [19:08] <Zeenix> wtay: thats what i made it for [19:09] <Zeenix> wtay: no prob. on mpeg2 ? [19:09] <wtay> nope [19:09] <Zeenix> wtay: it sucks on my PC [19:09] <wtay> too slow? [19:10] <Zeenix> wtay: the sound goes away after a min. [19:10] <Zeenix> s/min/5 sec [19:11] <Zeenix> And keeps on saying an error. its from mpeg2parse. it sa= ys something about unkown id 0xde( simmilar ) [19:11] <wtay> Zeenix: that's because you have an mpeg1 stream, not an mp= eg2 stream [19:12] <wtay> Zeenix: a vob file usually has ac3 audio too.. [19:13] <Zeenix> wtay: do you get the same prob. as i am when you open an= mpeg1 stream [19:13] <wtay> sure [19:14] <Zeenix> wtay: but when i change the pipeline as you directed me = to do( for running mpeg1 streams ), it didnt do ? [19:15] <wtay> Zeenix: trying... [19:16] <wtay> works perfect then [19:18] <Zeenix> wtay: what changes you made ? [19:19] <wtay> s/mpeg2parse/mpeg1parse, s/mpeg2dec/mpeg_play/, s/mp2video= parse/mp1videoparse [19:21] <Zeenix> wtay: i did the same [19:21] <Zeenix> wtay: any way i'll try again [19:22] <Zeenix> wtay: lets come to my real business, zchat [19:22] <Zeenix> wtay: those gsmdec & gsmtest3 apps. [19:23] <Zeenix> wtay: you asked me to try without gsm, it works( not eve= rytime ) but with an error [19:23] <Zeenix> ** CRITICAL **: file gstqueue.c: line 267 (gst_queue_cha= in): assertion `buf !=3D NULL' failed. [19:23] <wtay> cool [19:26] <Zeenix> wtay: i agree that my PC is too slow infront of your PC,= but its not that slow: 266Mhz MMX, 64MB RAM [19:26] <wtay> I don't seem to have that problem [19:27] <Zeenix> wtay: what would you suggest [19:27] <Zeenix> ? [19:27] <wtay> use --gst-mask=3D-1 to find out why it happens... [19:27] <Zeenix> wtay: an argument for gst_init() ? [19:28] <wtay> ./gsmdec --gst-mask=3D-1 [19:29] <Zeenix> wtay: ok i'll try that today [19:29] <Zeenix> wtay: any idea where could i find the min. Hardare requi= rements for GNOME ? [19:30] <Zeenix> s/find/see [19:30] <wtay> Zeenix: dunno, I don't think there are any.. PII333 with 6= 4 should be a bare minimun I think [19:30] <wtay> s/64/64MB [19:31] <wtay> gnome is not the fastest desktop around... [19:31] <Zeenix> wtay: i heard that its 128 MB min. [19:32] <wtay> It'll run on 64MB [19:32] <Zeenix> wtay: i have a CIREX processor [19:32] <wtay> Zeenix: well, I doubt it'l be fast and snappy... [19:32] <Zeenix> it says 33Mhz, but actually it acts as a 266Mhz [19:33] <Zeenix> wtay: can all these trouble be caused by the processor i= tself, not the speed [19:34] <wtay> I myself wouldn't want to run it on anything less than 450= Mhz and 256MB ram [19:34] <Zeenix> wtay: you can say that as you can afford that [19:35] <Zeenix> wtay: wanna see my picture [19:35] <Zeenix> ? [19:35] <wtay> Zeenix: I ran gnome on a P100 with 64MB and I can tell you= that it sucks [19:35] <wtay> Zeenix: and that was even gnome 1.0 [19:36] <ChiefHighwater> wtay:could MMX stuff be messing with his Cyrix p= roc? [19:36] <wtay> or 1.2 I dunno [19:36] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: no idea [19:36] <ChiefHighwater> no MMX on that chip [19:36] <wtay> Zeenix: where? [19:36] <wtay> high probability, yeah [19:37] <Zeenix> wtay: that Cirex has a very bad reputation, i bought tha= t as i could afford anything else [19:37] <Zeenix> s/could/couldnt [19:37] <wtay> but then again gnome doesn't use much MMX in the core libs [19:37] <Zeenix> wtay: gstreamer, gsm does [19:37] <Zeenix> wtay: not sure about esd [19:37] <wtay> maybe it's emulated, I dunno [19:38] <ChiefHighwater> i might have 3Dnow!, but it might not [19:38] <ChiefHighwater> s/i/it [19:38] <Zeenix> wtay: when i run esd on gnome, gnome halts [19:38] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: somehow I doubt that even more.. [19:39] <ChiefHighwater> that generation of procs was when mmx was breaki= ng into the market [19:39] <ChiefHighwater> will GStreamer disable MMX if it doesn't find it= ? [19:39] <Zeenix> Chief: talking of Cirex ? [19:39] <wtay> 3Dnow is very AMD specific AFAICT [19:39] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: yes [19:40] <ChiefHighwater> Zeenix:only Intel procs have true MMX...early em= mulations were not 100% compatable [19:41] <ChiefHighwater> might want to pick up a p266mmx...dunno how much= it would cost [19:41] <ChiefHighwater> but should still be a socket7 proc [19:41] <Zeenix> Chief: i doubt my proc. is not even 1% compatible then, = it sucks too much [19:42] <Zeenix> Chief: you can send me as a gift, i dont mind gifts <g> [19:42] <wtay> Zeenix: how much does a PC cost there? [19:42] <Zeenix> is there a full screen mode in GNOME( like its in win98 = ) [19:42] <ChiefHighwater> hehe..I gifted a 200mmx to Omega just last month [19:43] <Zeenix> wtay: there aint any branded PC here [19:44] <wtay> Zeenix: only second hand? [19:44] <Zeenix> wtay: you just tell the hardware seller what you want & = what you dont & he tells you the price of everything [19:45] <ChiefHighwater> Zeenix: where is 'here'? [19:45] <wtay> Zeenix: what would a typical PC cost then? say PIII500 128= MB ram? [19:46] <Zeenix> wtay: our currency( dont know spelling ) is Rs. [19:47] <Zeenix> wtay: it would be about 20,000 Rs, 1 US$ =3D 55 Rs. [19:47] <ChiefHighwater> $365 [19:47] <ChiefHighwater> did I do my math right? [19:47] <wtay> We should all buy our PC's there [19:47] <Zeenix> wtay: its only my estimate, could be too wrong, i'll hav= e to consult my friend for asking that [19:48] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: yup [19:48] <Zeenix> wtay: but i know, no PC costs greater than 40,000 Rs her= e [19:48] <wtay> Zeenix: that price *3 is what you would pay here [19:49] <Zeenix> wtay: price *3 , what does this mean ? [19:49] <wtay> about 60.000 Rupees [19:50] <ChiefHighwater> multiply times three [19:50] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: roughly right? [19:50] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: $1000? [19:50] <ChiefHighwater> p3 500...here isn't quite that much [19:51] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: maybe not... [19:51] <Zeenix> wtay: what you calculated to be 60,000 Rs [19:51] <Zeenix> ? [19:51] <wtay> Zeenix: a typical PC [19:52] <wtay> well, PIII500 isn't even listed on my supliers list anymor= e :( [19:52] <Zeenix> wtay: i said no PC is greater than 40,000 here [19:52] <wtay> Zeenix: cool [19:52] <Zeenix> Rs [19:53] <Zeenix> wtay: want to buy one ? [19:53] <wtay> not really.. [19:54] <wtay> heh, MS Office would cost you 23,000 Rs here.. [19:54] <Zeenix> wtay: but i cant even afford a 1000 Rs. on my PC, its to= o much here & specially for me [19:54] <Zeenix> wtay: here its free [19:55] <wtay> not legally I may hope... [19:55] <Zeenix> wtay: no law here [19:56] <wtay> hmm, that's good and bad... [19:56] <Zeenix> wtay: what can i do ? [19:56] <Zeenix> wtay: i have to go now, i have got fever [19:57] <wtay> oops [19:57] <wtay> cya [19:57] <Zeenix> wtay: wait a min. [19:57] <wtay> ? [19:57] <Zeenix> my question: is there any full screen mode in GNOME( nev= er seen one ) [19:57] <Zeenix> ? [19:57] <wtay> what do you mean, to play video in full screen mode? [19:58] <Zeenix> exactly [19:58] <Zeenix> nothing on screen but video, not even the windows border= s, title etc [19:58] <wtay> it's not part of gnome, no.. It would be part of Xfree or = SDL [19:59] <Zeenix> wtay: there should be something in gnome for it [19:59] <wtay> Zeenix: it's not really a GNOME issue I think [19:59] <Zeenix> gnome is meant to hide the Xfree from you [20:00] <wtay> Zeenix: pert of it, yes [20:00] <wtay> s/pert/part [20:00] <wtay> Zeenix: GDK hides some of XFree [20:01] <Zeenix> wtay: any need for modemsrc/sink ? [20:02] <wtay> Zeenix: no, please :) [20:02] <Zeenix> wtay: why ? [20:03] <wtay> it's a bit too lowlevel IMO [20:03] <wtay> better use TCP over PPP or something [20:03] <Zeenix> wtay: prbably you didnt get it [20:04] <wtay> most likely.. [20:04] <Zeenix> wtay: net2phone type of things [20:05] <Zeenix> wtay: udpsrc ! queue ! modemsink ; modemsrc ! queue ! ud= psink [20:05] <wtay> Zeenix: ugh [20:06] <wtay> well, I suppose you can do that [20:06] <Zeenix> wtay: my actual project was that, i just put it for futu= re, when i get the facilities for it [20:07] <Zeenix> wtay: my luck always sucks, now i'll have to give my pro= gs. to you( or someone else ) to check them on their PCs [20:07] <ChiefHighwater> btw, wtay, if you want to check US computer pric= es, go to pricewatch.com...they got prices for everything [20:08] <ChiefHighwater> p3 600 ccomplete system (no monitor) $348 plus s= hipping [20:08] <ChiefHighwater> includes win98..so you could get em to knock off= more for no OS [20:09] <Zeenix> now i have to go [20:09] <Zeenix> bi [20:09] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: that's cheap... [20:09] <wtay> cya [20:09] Zeenix (dwdwdwdfwf@203.135.12.69) left irc: Leaving [20:09] <ChiefHighwater> yup [20:10] <ChiefHighwater> complete 1.4 athlon [20:10] <ChiefHighwater> $501 [20:10] <wtay> you think they ship overseas? [20:10] <ChiefHighwater> company with lowest price is usually LLS Technol= ogy [20:10] <ChiefHighwater> for systems [20:11] <ChiefHighwater> http://www.llstech.com/ [20:11] <ChiefHighwater> you could ask em if they do international [20:12] <ChiefHighwater> customs stuff is always kinda a pain, but it can= be done [20:12] <wtay> yeah [20:14] <wtay> maybe I'll try that for my next PC.. those prices are more= then half of what you pay here [20:15] <wtay> brb [20:31] rowenc (rowenc@Kreidler-233-130.PLU.edu) joined #gstreamer. [20:31] <wtay> yo [20:31] <ChiefHighwater> ello [20:31] <rowenc> hi [20:32] <ChiefHighwater> wtay:just buy it through Omega..let him test it = to make sure it works, then private party ship it to ya 8-] [20:33] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: yeah, that would be =FCber cool :) [20:34] <ChiefHighwater> wtay: or you could just move here...and save on = the shipping <G> [20:34] <wtay> ChiefHighwater: yeah, yeah... <g> [21:34] dobey (do...@dr...) left irc: eh [21:54] _gst_newt_ joined #gstreamer. [21:57] steveb (st...@no...) got netsplit. [21:57] wtay (wi...@ca...) got netsplit. [21:59] steveb (st...@no...) returned to #gstreamer. [21:59] wtay (wi...@ca...) returned to #gstrea= mer. [21:59] #gstreamer: mode change '+o wtay' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ [21:59] #gstreamer: mode change '-o wtay' by wtay!wim@cable-195-162-214-5= 8.upc.chello.be [22:43] ShrimpX (marius@Photon.pdx.netroedge.com) left irc: Ping timeout = for ShrimpX[Photon.pdx.netroedge.com] [22:52] Nick change: wingo-work -> wingo [22:57] omega_ (om...@om...) joined #gstreamer. [22:58] <wtay> yo [22:59] <omega_> yo [23:02] steveb (st...@no...) left irc: Client Exiting [23:08] <wingo> yo. do y'all get notification of sourceforge bugs? or is = it a 'occasionally i look there' affair [23:09] <wingo> or is the -devel list the preferred bug posting location [23:09] <wtay> we get notifications [23:12] <wingo> taaz: you there? [23:19] <taaz> nope [23:19] <taaz> whoops.. gave myself away there [23:20] <taaz> wingo: i'd use the sf bug system. we'd be better off if w= e made good use of all those sort of features... maybe [23:23] <wingo> taaz: thanks. can I set gstreamer.net somehow as an apt s= ource? I see the Packages and Sources files there, but I don't know how t= o get to them [23:24] <wtay> deb http://gstreamer.net/releases/current/debian ./ [23:26] <wingo> word up. any difference from releases/debian ? [23:27] <taaz> yes [23:28] <taaz> the rel/deb ones dont work, the rel/cur/deb ones are prett= y crappy... great choice eh? [23:28] <taaz> well... the rel/deb ones work but you have to install depe= ndencies by hand [23:29] Action: taaz sighs... no time to work on fixing this... [23:29] <taaz> wingo: there are README files in either location that tell= you what to do [23:32] <wingo> thanks. i'm looking into that. [23:34] Nick change: ajzzzz -> ajmitch [23:53] ajmitch (aj...@p2...) left irc: Ping timeout = for ajmitch[p28-max3.dun.ihug.co.nz] [23:59] ajmitch (aj...@p2...) joined #gstreamer. [00:00] --- Sat Jul 14 2001 [00:06] <wingo> i've heard there are 'seek issues' going on. will gstream= er ever be able to play streams backward, like alsaplayer can? [00:08] <wtay> wingo: probably, yes. when the plugins can handle it that = is [00:11] <taaz> how does alsaplayer do it? [00:11] <taaz> that seem very format dependent [00:11] <wtay> it is [00:11] <wtay> alsa just "does it" no framework or something [00:11] <taaz> guess you just have to read blocks (format dependent) in r= everse order but some formats make that hard [00:11] <wtay> indeed [00:11] <wtay> but not impossible [00:12] <taaz> of course its not impossible... worst case you render it t= o raw format in a file first ;) [00:12] <wtay> mpeg is going to be interesting... [00:13] <wtay> video that is [00:13] <taaz> in reverse you mean? [00:13] <wtay> yeah [00:14] <taaz> i consider that a "must have" feature. my roommates setto= p dvd player can do variable rate forwards and backwards (liek 7 rate ste= ps either way). [00:16] <wtay> anyone who thinks gstreamer takes ages to build should try= to build evolution <g> [00:16] Action: wtay is building evolution from cVS [00:16] <taaz> should just make the player have a signed float rate param= . could attempt to play streams at 10e5 their normal rate ;) [00:17] <wtay> I think the proper way to handle it is by having a negativ= e clock rate [00:17] <wtay> plugins can check that and act appropriatly [00:17] <ajmitch> wtay: you think that takes ages? try building mozilla ;= ) [00:18] <wtay> heh [00:19] Action: wingo abandoned graphical mua's when he found mutt [00:20] Action: taaz uses 'more' on the raw spool file [00:20] <wingo> wtay: and set the lower bound to 0 in its caps, no [00:20] <wingo> ? [00:20] <wtay> ? [00:21] <wingo> sorry. regarding plugins that can't handle reverse playba= ck. [00:21] <wingo> like osssrc [00:21] <wtay> right [00:22] <wtay> it's not like the rate property is going to scale.. just t= he clock [00:23] <wingo> [ot] i was thinking about what steveb was saying the othe= r day.... he was saying that [00:23] <wingo> float data, not interleaved, is ideal for pro audio. now,= gstreamer with 2 channels (for example) interleaves [00:24] <wingo> its audio. is it even desirable to refrain from interleav= ing? it seems like supporting an aribrary number of channels (5.1 comes t= o mind) [00:24] <wingo> would be difficult with non-interleaved channels. [00:25] <wtay> if you want to pack 2 channels in a buffer, interleaving m= akes most sense [00:25] <wingo> i believe his point was that dsp is easier that way. but = would that mean you'd have to have 2 pads for 2 channels? [00:25] <taaz> i think there was a whole big long LAD thread about interl= eaved vs not [00:26] <wingo> humm. i'll go dig... [00:26] <wtay> wingo: yes, that's how LADSPA does it [00:26] <wtay> 1 pad =3D=3D 1 channels [00:27] <wingo> but ladspa in gstreamer can interleave, no? i mean gstlad= spa. doesn't it take 2 channels and interleave them? [00:27] Action: wingo digs in source [00:27] <wtay> wingo: LADSPA just does its thing on the two pad/channels [00:28] <wingo> ah [00:33] <wingo> taaz: you recall about when the thread was active? [00:35] <wingo> i think i found it [00:45] Nick change: taaz -> taaz-away [00:53] ajmitch (aj...@p2...) left irc: http://www.fr= eedevelopers.net [00:59] <wtay> I'm off to bed (too tired).. later [00:59] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-zZz [01:01] ajmitch (aj...@p3...) joined #gstreamer. [01:08] gtb (syln@80.9.175.105) joined #gstreamer. [01:08] <gtb> hello [01:08] <ajmitch> hi [01:24] <ChiefHighwater> time for me to grab omega_ and head for San Jose [01:24] <ChiefHighwater> ttyl 8-] [01:24] ChiefHighwater (pa...@te...) left irc:=20 [01:28] Action: omega_ packs up [01:28] omega_ (om...@om...) left irc: [x]chat [01:30] gtb (syln@80.9.175.105) left irc:=20 [01:45] ajmitch (aj...@p3...) left irc: http://www.fr= eedevelopers.net [01:52] ajmitch (aj...@p1...) joined #gstreamer. [02:23] Yakuza (josh@64.175.236.18) joined #gstreamer. [02:23] <Yakuza> hey all [02:23] Nick change: Yakuza -> arik [02:23] <arik> er [02:23] <arik> hey all [02:25] <ajmitch> hi ;) [02:25] <arik> hey dude [02:25] <arik> you want to help me with some dsl stuff? [02:27] <ajmitch> how? [02:27] <arik> ok [02:27] <arik> so i have a roommate [02:27] <arik> who uses windows [02:27] <arik> who has dsl into his cmp [02:27] <arik> and another ethernet card [02:28] Action: ajmitch has never had the joy of using DSL ;) [02:28] <arik> hehe ;-) [02:28] <ajmitch> oooh [02:28] <arik> with cable going to my machine [02:28] <arik> but i don't know how to make it all work [02:28] <ajmitch> if you reallly really have to use DSL only on the windo= ws machine, setup ICS (if it's win98 SE or later) [02:29] <arik> ICS? [02:29] <arik> internet connection sharing? [02:29] <arik> ok, how do i do that [02:29] <arik> and that will work with my linux box? [02:30] <ajmitch> yup, it works [02:30] <arik> ok [02:30] <arik> so how do i do it? ;-) [02:30] <ajmitch> i have only set it up once, on someone else's computer,= about a year ago ;) [02:30] <arik> well [02:30] <ajmitch> RTFM, i guess ;) [02:30] <arik> where do i even go to start setting it up? [02:30] <arik> hahaha [02:31] <ajmitch> and on the linux machine, set the defautl gateway to be= the windows box [02:31] <arik> hmm [02:31] <arik> no idea what the address would be [02:31] <arik> oh [02:31] <arik> the ip of the win box? [02:31] <arik> it's dynamix [02:31] <arik> er dynamic [02:32] <ajmitch> umm, you are connected to the win box over ethernet, ri= ght? [02:32] <arik> yes [02:32] <ajmitch> use the address of the ethernet card in the windos box [02:32] <arik> right [02:32] <wingo> usually 192.168.0.1 [02:32] <ajmitch> or just install linux on your roommates computer ;) [02:32] <arik> hehe [02:32] <arik> so where in windows do i setup ics? [02:33] <ajmitch> anyway, i must go have lunch now, will bbl ;) [02:33] <arik> alright [02:33] <arik> enjoy [02:38] robertd (no...@wd...) joined #gstre= amer. [02:39] arik (josh@64.175.236.18) left irc:=20 [02:... [truncated message content] |