groupsuite-list — General Discussion about GroupSuite

[Groupsuite-list] FASD project: Online survey launched

[<ben...@id...>]

Dear Open Source developer

I am doing a research project on "Fun and Software Development" in which I kindly invite you to participate.
You will find the online survey under http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/. The questionnaire consists of 53 questions and you will need about 15 minutes to complete it.

With the FASD project (Fun and Software Development) we want to define the motivational significance of fun when software developers decide to engage in Open Source projects. What is special about our research project is that a similar survey is planned with software developers in commercial firms. This procedure allows the immediate comparison between the involved individuals and the conditions of production of these two development models. Thus we hope to obtain substantial new insights to the phenomenon of Open Source Development.


With many thanks for your participation,
Benno Luthiger


PS:
The results of the survey will be published under http://www.isu.unizh.ch/fuehrung/blprojects/FASD/.
We have set up the mailing list fa...@we... for this study. Please see http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/mailinglist_en.html for registration to this mailing list.

_______________________________________________________________________

Benno Luthiger
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich
8092 Zurich

Mail: benno.luthiger(at)id.ethz.ch
_______________________________________________________________________

[Groupsuite-list] What Happened

[Jake S. <js...@us...>]

I haven't heard anything from this project in a while, everyone seemed so
enthusiastic a few months ago but everything seems to have died down a
bit.

I have been working on my original project
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/egs) which I offered as a basis to get
this project off to a start in the beginning. It is getting quite a few
visitors at the moment so if people are still interested in developing a
complete CRM/Groupware project then you may be interested to see where my
project is going since the CRM part is fairly complete and feature full,
and many of the other modules such as ticketing/calendaring/project
management are working (but lack some advanced functionality, such as
searching).

I would be interested in hearing from people since I would like some
feedback on my project even if people feel that they cannot help with
development.

Thanks

Jake

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Suggestions for GroupSuite

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Cevetan,


>>> So  far, moregroupware (www.moregroupware.org) is among the nicest in
>>> appearence  and usability that I have come accross.
>>But not very easy to install as far as I can say.
> I didn't find it too hard to install.

What I forgot to say...

I am currently working under Windows... :-((
I like linux more but the laptop I use now does not have it yet.
(Will be working on this case as soon as there is time for it...)

> I havn't tried the knoppix-demo ... seems more trouble than its worth.
> Its a shame they don't have a working demo. I can arrange one on my
> server once we have properly moved over to it.
> However, please look at a couple of screenshots I took recently:
> http://excel-tech.net/groupware/moregroupware_calendar.jpg &
> http://excel-tech.net/groupware/moregroupware_webmail.jpg
>
>  Therefore most users will not be able to look inside
> the nice appearance...

It lloks really nice but - as I already told you - I really don=B4t like
Frames...

Bye,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Suggestions for GroupSuite

[Cvetan S. <cve...@ad...>]

Hi Alexander,

> I am looking forward for your ideas.
> Via this list or if possible directly in the feature request tracker:
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=3Dadd&group_id=3D80532&atid=3D560=
065

I shall do that soon.

>> PDA sync is a bit ambitious at this stage of the game
>Do you (or anybody else on this list) have any information upon how to d=
o
>this?

>> I think the appearence and user usability is also a major concideratio=
n.
>Yes, indeed.
>Have you had the time to install the development version yet. It should
>give you an idea upon how it looks so far.

Yeah, I have it running on my server. Its not bad for a framework.

>> So  far, moregroupware (www.moregroupware.org) is among the nicest in
>> appearence  and usability that I have come accross.

>But not very easy to install as far as I can say.

I didn't find it too hard to install.
-Dowload
-tar xvfz <file>
-chmod (or chown if applicable) a couple of directories
-and point your browser to a setup.php file which automates the install
(including database setup)
-resecure various dirs and database
-change admin pwd
-done

>Even the knoppix-demo they provide doesn=B4t work and there also is no
>online demo availabe.

I havn't tried the knoppix-demo ... seems more trouble than its worth. It=
s a
shame they don't have a working demo. I can arrange one on my server once=
 we
have properly moved over to it.
However, please look at a couple of screenshots I took recently:
http://excel-tech.net/groupware/moregroupware_calendar.jpg &
http://excel-tech.net/groupware/moregroupware_webmail.jpg

 Therefore most users will not be able to look inside
the nice appearance...

Cvetan

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Suggestions for GroupSuite

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Cvetan.

> Yes, one tha's more versitile than a standard labbook however.
##
I am looking forward for your ideas.
Via this list or if possible directly in the feature request tracker:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=3Dadd&group_id=3D80532&atid=3D56006=
5

> PDA sync is a bit ambitious at this stage of the game
##
Do you (or anybody else on this list) have any information upon how to do
this?

> I think the appearence and user usability is also a major concideration.
##
Yes, indeed.
Have you had the time to install the development version yet. It should
give you an idea upon how it looks so far.

> So  far, moregroupware (www.moregroupware.org) is among the nicest in
> appearence  and usability that I have come accross.
##
But not very easy to install as far as I can say.
Even the knoppix-demo they provide doesn=B4t work and there also is no
online demo availabe. Therefore most users will not be able to look insid=
e
the nice appearance...


Bye,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Suggestions for GroupSuite

[Cvetan S. <cve...@ad...>]

Hey Alexander,

>So as a subpart of the project section you want to have something like a
>project diary?

Yes, one tha's more versitile than a standard labbook however.

>There are some very special and detailed functions which might only be
>neccessary in laboratories - would be great if somebody familiar with
>working in such projects would make specifications and -if possible at
>all- do the coding part.

I will try to do as much as I can. I assume that most of this project will =
be=20
done in PHP. As I mentioned before I am still a novice but am quite capable=
=20
if I get some time free to work on this.

>PDA sync: Do you mean to im- /export files, contacts, calendar and else?
>I guess this will cause lots of trouble if there isn=B4t a similar database
>on the PDA.

PDA sync is a bit ambitious at this stage of the game and there are cetrain=
ly=20
ways this can be approached. One web-based groupware project that is trying=
=20
to integrate PDA use is Tikiwiki (http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net/). (Under=
=20
the "Upcoming version" tab).

I think the appearence and user usability is also a major concideration. So=
=20
far, moregroupware (www.moregroupware.org) is among the nicest in appearenc=
e=20
and usability that I have come accross.

Cheers,

Cvetan

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Suggestions for GroupSuite

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Cvetan,

thanks for your mail.

> Hey all,
>
> I have been looking for a web-based groupware system that can meet my
> needs.  However, after a couple of month trying out many different
> groupware systems  (including some commecrial trials) I have failed to
> find one that meets all  my needs.
##
That is why we are working on this one. ;-)

> I would be pleased to help on this project as much as I can. I am also =
a
>  hosting reseller and can provide hosting free of charge for this
> project (if  the need arises).
##
Not needed so far because we are in the ISP business, too.

> My suggestion is as follows: Report/Journaling System
> A report system would allow professionals to keep track of a project
> they are  working on. Detailed information can be kept in such a system
> and can  subsequently be referedback to. Emplementing this on a
> web-based
> system  would allow project members to keep up-to-date with the work yo=
u
> have  been doing.
##
So as a subpart of the project section you want to have something like a
project diary?

> Such a system would be usefull in many fields but I will approach this
> from a  hands-on scientific (labaratory) perspective (since this is the
> majority of  the work I do). Therefore, I can see the module being
> set-up in the form of an online book/journal.
##
Please make further suggestions about this.

> The repot module should be able to fit the following criteria:
> - Handle multiple projects.
> - Allow multiple, editable entries per day/experiment.
> - Encorporate images with text.
> - Store data files.
> - Stamp all entries with the date and time.
> - Allocate a reference code for each experiment.
> - Display a day's entries. (simple calander system)
> - Creation of templates (either forms or strings of text) for common
> experiments.* (ie. for different proceedures)
>
> * Often when doing research you will find yourself repeating the same
> experiment multiple times with slight variations. ie. volume,
> concentration,  buffer etc. However, the overall proceedure remains the
> same. It would be  nice to create templates of the proceedures and have
> field (or space) to  enter releavent information.
##
There are some very special and detailed functions which might only be
neccessary in laboratories - would be great if somebody familiar with
working in such projects would make specifications and -if possible at
all- do the coding part.

> Calender, contacts, webmail, todo, and bookmark modules are also the
> norm in  these projects. I have seen a few with PDA sync support but it=
s
> rare. But definetly the way of the future.
##
PDA sync: Do you mean to im- /export files, contacts, calendar and else?
I guess this will cause lots of trouble if there isn=B4t a similar databa=
se
on the PDA.

Bye,
Alexander

[Groupsuite-list] Incorrect date

[Cvetan S. <cve...@ad...>]

My apologies for a posting with an incorrect date (2002-12-04) and for the 
havoc it may have caused to some peoples IMAP accounts. SF has however 
restamped it with the correct date 
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2704167&forum_id=33242 
. Please have a read and get back to me about my suggesting as I am only to 
eager to help with such a project.

Cvetan

[Groupsuite-list] Suggestions for GroupSuite

[Cvetan S. <cve...@ad...>]

Hey all,

I have been looking for a web-based groupware system that can meet my needs. 
However, after a couple of month trying out many different groupware systems 
(including some commecrial trials) I have failed to find one that meets all 
my needs.

I am glad to see that there is a number of developers already on the team.

Although I have run an IT business for 5 years now (last 2 in web design, web 
application solutions for businesses), my skills in development are limited 
to modifying existing code to suite our needs.

My interest in this project is from the perspective of a scientist. I am a PhD 
student in Computer-aided drug development. A project such as GroupSuite 
would allow me to be more proficient and keep others on the team informed.

I would be pleased to help on this project as much as I can. I am also a 
hosting reseller and can provide hosting free of charge for this project (if 
the need arises).

My suggestion is as follows: Report/Journaling System
A report system would allow professionals to keep track of a project they are 
working on. Detailed information can be kept in such a system and can 
subsequently be referedback to. Emplementing this on a web-based
system  would allow project members to keep up-to-date with the work you have 
been doing.

Such a system would be usefull in many fields but I will approach this from a 
hands-on scientific (labaratory) perspective (since this is the majority of 
the work I do). Therefore, I can see the module being set-up in the form
of an online book/journal.

The repot module should be able to fit the following criteria:
- Handle multiple projects.
- Allow multiple, editable entries per day/experiment.
- Encorporate images with text.
- Store data files.
- Stamp all entries with the date and time.
- Allocate a reference code for each experiment.
- Display a day's entries. (simple calander system)
- Creation of templates (either forms or strings of text) for common 
experiments.* (ie. for different proceedures)

* Often when doing research you will find yourself repeating the same 
experiment multiple times with slight variations. ie. volume, concentration, 
buffer etc. However, the overall proceedure remains the same. It would be 
nice to create templates of the proceedures and have field (or space) to 
enter releavent information.

Calender, contacts, webmail, todo, and bookmark modules are also the norm in 
these projects. I have seen a few with PDA sync support but its rare. But 
definetly the way of the future.

Thanks,

Cvetan

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[Daniel B. <Dan...@bi...>]

On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 01:56, RT wrote:

> If someone managed to checkout groupsuite from CVS let me know.  As I=20
> write this I'm checking the status
> Sourceforge's CVS server.

I've checked out groupsuite from the SF CVS server without any problems.
But I still don't understand why it's not showing up on ViewCVS,
or why no email was sent to the groupsuite-cvsinfo list.
(The latter may be because only a import has been performed on the CVS tree=
, not a commit.
It is possible that only commits are emailed to the list.)


-Daniel

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello again.

Fine that cvs works.
Unfortunately it is still not visible on the summary page of sf.net.

I would still like everybodies suggestions about the GroupSuite in order
to plan on parts / modules and possible a functional specification for the
projekt.

Bye,
Alexander


> Sorry I've been a little slow on doing much of anything. First keyboard
> craps out, then work caught with me and we had a lot of overtime.
> Today's Canada Day so I can't do much either but I'll start hacking away
>  at something tomorrow.
>
> The CVS works fine. I don't have trouble performing a checkout.
> If you're using CVS (not WinCVS or something like it)  the following
> works
>
> export CVS_RSH=ssh
> cvs -d: ext: use...@cv...:/cvsroot/groupsuite checkout
> groupsuite
>
> I'm not to sure about WinCVS and how it works. I don't like it cause it
> causes headaches with binary files.
>
> If someone managed to checkout groupsuite from CVS let me know.  As I
> write this I'm checking the status
> Sourceforge's CVS server.
>
> I'll try and come up with something for a setup file. If you have any
> requests let me know.
>
> TeamHost Limited wrote:
>
>>Hello!
>>
>>Still there seems to be no CVS update... :-(
>>(Been a "little" more than 24 hrs. now.)
>>
>>
>>
>>>The setup(configuration) file Will be constantly changing for everyone
>>> This
>>>means the every time someone commits something it will also commit
>>> that file because it will most likely be
>>>different the to repository version. Everyone will also have to
>>> remember
>>> to change or delete there working
>>>version when they update. This is tedious and accident prone.
>>>
>>>
>>##
>>You are right on that one.
>>
>>
>>
>>>My project creates the config file on setup, and provides a template
>>> to create the actual config file, but CVS is setup
>>>to ignore the actually configuration script. I'd suggest doing
>>> something
>>> like this or, if theres better ideas out there,
>>>one of them might be more reasonable.
>>>
>>>
>>##
>>Just go ahead if your a familiar with this - would be great to make
>> installation and setup easier.
>>
>>Bye,
>>Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[RT <rt...@sy...>]

Sorry I've been a little slow on doing much of anything. First keyboard 
craps out, then work caught with me and we had a lot of overtime.
Today's Canada Day so I can't do much either but I'll start hacking away 
at something tomorrow.

The CVS works fine. I don't have trouble performing a checkout.
If you're using CVS (not WinCVS or something like it)  the following works

export CVS_RSH=ssh
cvs -d: ext: use...@cv...:/cvsroot/groupsuite checkout 
groupsuite

I'm not to sure about WinCVS and how it works. I don't like it cause it 
causes headaches with binary files.

If someone managed to checkout groupsuite from CVS let me know.  As I 
write this I'm checking the status
Sourceforge's CVS server.

I'll try and come up with something for a setup file. If you have any 
requests let me know.

TeamHost Limited wrote:

>Hello!
>
>Still there seems to be no CVS update... :-(
>(Been a "little" more than 24 hrs. now.)
>
>  
>
>>The setup(configuration) file Will be constantly changing for everyone
>>This
>>means the every time someone commits something it will also commit that
>>file because it will most likely be
>>different the to repository version. Everyone will also have to remember
>> to change or delete there working
>>version when they update. This is tedious and accident prone.
>>    
>>
>##
>You are right on that one.
>
>  
>
>>My project creates the config file on setup, and provides a template to
>>create the actual config file, but CVS is setup
>>to ignore the actually configuration script. I'd suggest doing something
>> like this or, if theres better ideas out there,
>>one of them might be more reasonable.
>>    
>>
>##
>Just go ahead if your a familiar with this - would be great to make
>installation and setup easier.
>
>Bye,
>Alexander
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello!

Still there seems to be no CVS update... :-(
(Been a "little" more than 24 hrs. now.)

> The setup(configuration) file Will be constantly changing for everyone
> This
> means the every time someone commits something it will also commit that
> file because it will most likely be
> different the to repository version. Everyone will also have to remember
>  to change or delete there working
> version when they update. This is tedious and accident prone.
##
You are right on that one.

> My project creates the config file on setup, and provides a template to
> create the actual config file, but CVS is setup
> to ignore the actually configuration script. I'd suggest doing something
>  like this or, if theres better ideas out there,
> one of them might be more reasonable.
##
Just go ahead if your a familiar with this - would be great to make
installation and setup easier.

Bye,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[RT <rt...@sy...>]

I have no idea how long it will take for the CVS tree to appear but the 
browseable data
will be older. As Daniel mentioned there's a 24 hour delay on the CVS 
tree because
it's running off a backup server. Once SF gets CVS running normallly 
again it should be visible.
According to the Site Status page there working on updating CVS 
performance which won't be
done until August. The only thing it will really noticably affect is 
that it's mostly running off the backup
server which is 24 hours old.
More information at 
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#cvs

As for the setup. It's was quite easy. I got it working (well as much as 
it works at the moment :)).
I do have once suggestion with the workings though, I'm just not sure 
how you'd want to go about it.
The setup(configuration) file Will be constantly changing for everyone 
and to my knowledge (could be
wrong on this) CVS doesn't seem to ignore files that already exist in 
the tree even if you tell it to. This
means the every time someone commits something it will also commit that 
file because it will most likely be
different the to repository version. Everyone will also have to remember 
to change or delete there working
version when they update. This is tedious and accident prone.
My project creates the config file on setup, and provides a template to 
create the actual config file, but CVS is setup
to ignore the actually configuration script. I'd suggest doing something 
like this or, if theres better ideas out there,
one of them might be more reasonable.
Quick con about a script to create the config file. The server has to 
have write access to the directory its stored in
... I can't seem to get this working on Windows. Unless you get a Perl 
script that creates it. Just suggestions

Long message. Sorry about that. I'll go now.



TeamHost Limited wrote:

>Hello Ryan!
>
>  
>
>>Due to problems at Sourceforge
>>ViewCVS isn't displaying it yet.
>>    
>>
>How long will it take to update? (=Be visible...)
>
>
>  
>
>>Now I gotta see if I can get it to run on my Linux box. :)
>>    
>>
>Did it work? Any problems?
>
>Bye,
>Alexander
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Ryan!

> Due to problems at Sourceforge
> ViewCVS isn't displaying it yet.
How long will it take to update? (=Be visible...)


> Now I gotta see if I can get it to run on my Linux box. :)
Did it work? Any problems?

Bye,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello all, Hello Daniel!

I=B4m going to answer your qeustions between the lines.

> But, I still miss a design document (program flow, base
> functionality/library) and a basic framework (API) for the groupsuite
> application.
##
Have not made that yet :-(

I rather have ideas than the programming background.
So I guess it would be best to discuss the program design in the forum or
mail-list...

> And thus many questions arise, here are just a few to show
> some examples:
> How should modules communicate?
##
Basicly each part needs to put some own code to connect with the others.
(That is why i prefered not to make completly loose modules.)
e.g. If you see a list of last documents for a contact in adress book
there must be a code which is only used here...

> E.g. how can the mail client (when it gets written) read entries from
> the address book?
##
Certainly

> How should modules store their data?
##
Database?

I guess that is not quite what you meant...
Could you please tell me what the *real* question ist?

> How/where will modules be called?
##
Contacts (=3DAdress Book)
communication (=3DMail, Forum, Tickets)
calendar
....
settings (=3DAdministration)

short code for each module (navigation, language database and else) are
the first 3 letters

(Although i did not do that in the database for the contacts itself... it
has contacts as a prefix...)

> How will authentication be performed?
##
Directly in the index.php - there is a check with the database.
Information (=3DUsername, language) is then stored in Session.

> E.g. how will the calendar read user info? (e.g. to display a list of
> other users' calendars)
###
You mean the current user?
Just by putting $u_id in the query which is fetched from Session and save=
d
to $u_id in /inc_main/variables.inc


> I feel we can't just start by implementing a module (calendar, for
> example). We need the framework/API. The base on which to build it all.
###
Thats=B4s true.
Some frames are already avaiable...
We need to discuss on them and go ahead then by collecting ideas for
developement (e.g. calendar) and then design a database for this part.
Next step will be the code to be included in:
inc_cal
The programmer of the module is free to name parts of "subnavigation" -
the way to open the content for this part sotred in $_GET['vp'] ->
$view_page
Parts will be selected in inc_main/select.inc

Startpage is inc_cal/index.inc
Everything else is up to the programmer

We then need to have developers talk about implementing further steps to
combine parts:
- what information is needed to fetch information from database / provide
code for that
- which information must be included in $_GET in order to jump directly t=
o
a special content.

> Alex: The email containing the import by Ryan may have been held by the
> mailing list manager. Can you check groupsuite-cvsinfo and see if any
> posts are held for approval?
##
There is no mail yet.
I guess that is because the CVS still isn=B4t updated...

Bye,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[Daniel B. <Dan...@bi...>]

Hi all,

I'm sorry I've not responded to any forum messages lately, I've been
offline, and then been busy the last few days.

(I was going to reply to your mail, Alex, about the CVS stuff.
It's perfectly alright for me about Ryan being CVS admin. :)

But, I still miss a design document (program flow, base
functionality/library) and a basic framework (API) for the groupsuite
application. And thus many questions arise, here are just a few to show
some examples:
How should modules communicate?
E.g. how can the mail client (when it gets written) read entries from
the address book?
How should modules store their data?
How/where will modules be called?
How will authentication be performed?
E.g. how will the calendar read user info? (e.g. to display a list of
other users' calendars)

I feel we can't just start by implementing a module (calendar, for
example). We need the framework/API. The base on which to build it all.

On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 22:08, RT wrote:
> I figured the best place to announce this would be the mailing list so=20
> everyone knows. Groupsuite has been imported to the CVS
> repository. It's available as the module 'groupsuite' . The import was=20
> successful (I have run a checkout). Due to problems at Sourceforge
> ViewCVS isn't displaying it yet.

This problem is because ViewCVS is currently running on the backup CVS
servers at Sourceforge, so content may be up to 24 hours old. Expect to
see the checkin sometime tomorrow.
I also want to mention that all changes to CVS will be emailed to
   gro...@li...
so those that want to see what's going on to the groupsuite CVS tree can
subscribe to that list.

Alex: The email containing the import by Ryan may have been held by the
mailing list manager. Can you check groupsuite-cvsinfo and see if any
posts are held for approval?



-Daniel

Re: [Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hy Ryan,

thanks for the fast work...

SF was very slow the whole day but lets hope it speeds up tommorow.

Bye,
Alexander


> I figured the best place to announce this would be the mailing list so
> everyone knows. Groupsuite has been imported to the CVS
> repository. It's available as the module 'groupsuite' . The import was
> successful (I have run a checkout). Due to problems at Sourceforge
> ViewCVS isn't displaying it yet.
>
> If you have any questions about CVS feel free to ask me.
> Questions about the project itself can be directed to Alexander.
>
> Now I gotta see if I can get it to run on my Linux box. :)
> Ryan Thompson

[Groupsuite-list] CVS Import

[RT <rt...@sy...>]

I figured the best place to announce this would be the mailing list so 
everyone knows. Groupsuite has been imported to the CVS
repository. It's available as the module 'groupsuite' . The import was 
successful (I have run a checkout). Due to problems at Sourceforge
ViewCVS isn't displaying it yet.

If you have any questions about CVS feel free to ask me.
Questions about the project itself can be directed to Alexander.

Now I gotta see if I can get it to run on my Linux box. :)

-- 
Ryan Thompson
Project Manager
OpenSource GroupWare
http://osgw.sourceforge.net

[Groupsuite-list] Re: GroupSuite CVS

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Ryan! (And the other of the team if atachments work with the list..=
.)


Here ist the latest version of the groupsuite code.

Please put it to the CVS for the review of others.

There are not many functions implemented yet.

While writing this I remember I forgot something in the install.html...
You need to open inc_main/start.inc and change the settings if you want t=
o
use GroupSuite.

It is just framework right now.
Some Ideas to the Adress book / contacts part yet, but not done.

Hope it works,
Bye,
Alexander



> If you want you can either upload it to your project shell space if you
> have SFTP and understand it
> or you can just zip it up and send it to me as an attachment. If I don'=
t
>  get it by early tonight I won't be able
> to import it until Sunday night though. (Going to Niagara Falls for the
> weekend).
>
> If you have any questions about CVS let me know. The basics aren't to
> complicated once you get the hang
> of how it actually works.
>
>
> Tea...@so... wrote:
>
>>Hello Ryan!
>>
>>
>>Hope you like the idea:
>>
>>https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3D2057344
>>
>>If this is ok, just tell me were to send first mail with files.
>>
>>Bye,
>>
>>Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ryan Thompson
> Project Manager
> OpenSource GroupWare
> http://osgw.sourceforge.net


Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen,

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Re: [Groupsuite-list] Address Book

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Yake! Hello everybody!

Your last mail:
> I can understand that, but I still think you could manage that with the
> second  example (above) and make the GUI a lot cleaner (and the backend
> considerably  more tidy!)

I don't think that this will affect the DUI very much.
Of course backend will be more complicated this way - but you have a lot
of functionality too.

I just tried to get some database structure in the web:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=863876&forum_id=274928

Would be great if you have any suggestions - this has been a fast one...


Have a nice sunday,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Address Book

[Jake S. <js...@us...>]

On Tuesday 20 May 2003 22:26, TeamHost Limited wrote:
> Hello Yake!
>
> > No, I was think along the lines of this example:
> >
> > Example:
> > Sony World Headquarter - Adress ID 1
> > Sony Europe - Subadress of 1, ID 2
> > Sony Germany - Subadress of 2, ID 3
> > Sony Sales Norther Germany, Hamburg - Subadress of 3, ID 4
> > General Salesmanager Mr. Nobody, Employee of 4
> >
> > Is it really necessary to have that level of detail? I agree that it =
is
> > a good  idea, but is it something that is really necessary. I persona=
lly
> > think that  it could end up making the GUI cluttered and difficult to
> > use.
>
> ###
> I know it is a *very* detailed example - it was just to get the point.
> What *if* there is a company in need of such detailed tool - it wouldn'=
t
> be a problem to use just two levels of an unlimited depth.
>
> > For example is it not sufficient ot say:
> > Sony World Headquarter - Adress ID 1
> > Sony Europe - Subadress of 1, ID 2
> > Sony Germany - Subadress of 1, ID 3
> > Sony Sales Norther Germany, Hamburg - Subadress of 1, ID 4
> > General Salesmanager Mr. Nobody, Employee of 4
>
> ###
> That would be a possibility, too.
>
> But talking of financial things (of the customer) it would be possible
> that billing for hamburg would be done by the germany headquarters and =
we
> therefor need to bee able to track that down.

I can understand that, but I still think you could manage that with the s=
econd=20
example (above) and make the GUI a lot cleaner (and the backend considera=
bly=20
more tidy!)

>
> > How would you easily show (in the first example) that sony germany is=
 a
> > sub  address of sony europe. Surely you want to find info as soon as
> > possible. I  believe that a good rule of thumb is that you should be
> > able to find required  information within 3 mouse clicks.
>
> ###
> That is a good point - I like 3 clicks ;-))
>
> Well as for the downline why not make same pulldown-menue for upline?
>
> > I don't mind showing people the demo of the system that
> > I have already,
> > although it would be good if people could email me
> > (js...@us...) so that I can set them up a login.
>
> ###
> Ok - let's see who is interested...
>
> Good night,
> Alexander
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Groupsuite-list] Address Book

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hello Yake!

> No, I was think along the lines of this example:
>
> Example:
> Sony World Headquarter - Adress ID 1
> Sony Europe - Subadress of 1, ID 2
> Sony Germany - Subadress of 2, ID 3
> Sony Sales Norther Germany, Hamburg - Subadress of 3, ID 4
> General Salesmanager Mr. Nobody, Employee of 4
>
> Is it really necessary to have that level of detail? I agree that it is
> a good  idea, but is it something that is really necessary. I personally
> think that  it could end up making the GUI cluttered and difficult to
> use.
###
I know it is a *very* detailed example - it was just to get the point.
What *if* there is a company in need of such detailed tool - it wouldn't
be a problem to use just two levels of an unlimited depth.

> For example is it not sufficient ot say:
> Sony World Headquarter - Adress ID 1
> Sony Europe - Subadress of 1, ID 2
> Sony Germany - Subadress of 1, ID 3
> Sony Sales Norther Germany, Hamburg - Subadress of 1, ID 4
> General Salesmanager Mr. Nobody, Employee of 4
###
That would be a possibility, too.

But talking of financial things (of the customer) it would be possible
that billing for hamburg would be done by the germany headquarters and we
therefor need to bee able to track that down.


> How would you easily show (in the first example) that sony germany is a
> sub  address of sony europe. Surely you want to find info as soon as
> possible. I  believe that a good rule of thumb is that you should be
> able to find required  information within 3 mouse clicks.
###
That is a good point - I like 3 clicks ;-))

Well as for the downline why not make same pulldown-menue for upline?


> I don't mind showing people the demo of the system that
> I have already,
> although it would be good if people could email me
> (js...@us...) so that I can set them up a login.
###
Ok - let's see who is interested...

Good night,
Alexander

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Address Book

[Jake S. <js...@us...>]

No, I was think along the lines of this example:

Example:
Sony World Headquarter - Adress ID 1
Sony Europe - Subadress of 1, ID 2
Sony Germany - Subadress of 2, ID 3
Sony Sales Norther Germany, Hamburg - Subadress of 3, ID 4
General Salesmanager Mr. Nobody, Employee of 4

Is it really necessary to have that level of detail? I agree that it is a=
 good=20
idea, but is it something that is really necessary. I personally think th=
at=20
it could end up making the GUI cluttered and difficult to use.

For example is it not sufficient ot say

Example:
Sony World Headquarter - Adress ID 1
Sony Europe - Subadress of 1, ID 2
Sony Germany - Subadress of 1, ID 3
Sony Sales Norther Germany, Hamburg - Subadress of 1, ID 4
General Salesmanager Mr. Nobody, Employee of 4

How would you easily show (in the first example) that sony germany is a s=
ub=20
address of sony europe. Surely you want to find info as soon as possible.=
 I=20
believe that a good rule of thumb is that you should be able to find requ=
ired=20
information within 3 mouse clicks.


I don't mind showing people the demo of the system that I have already,=20
although it would be good if people could email me=20
(js...@us...) so that I can set them up a login.

Jake

On Tuesday 20 May 2003 20:30, TeamHost Limited wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
> do you mean how to list employees of a company (and else)?
> There are several Alternatives...
>
> How about a scroll down menue (form) to select possible entries?
> Or a link which opens a new page (or pop up) with an employee list?
>
> Any other idea?
>
> cu Alexander
>
>
> PS: Would you be willing to share your demo-url here? Perhaps write
> something about your application within the "snippets-board"
>
> > Just a quick question, has anybody had any idea of how to display sub
> > addresses within the address book?
>
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> If flattening out C++ or Java code to make your application fit in a
> relational database is painful, don't do it! Check out ObjectStore.
> Now part of Progress Software. http://www.objectstore.net/sourceforge
> _______________________________________________
> GroupSuite-list mailing list
> Gro...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/groupsuite-list

Re: [Groupsuite-list] Address Book

[TeamHost L. <of...@te...>]

Hi Jack,

do you mean how to list employees of a company (and else)?
There are several Alternatives...

How about a scroll down menue (form) to select possible entries?
Or a link which opens a new page (or pop up) with an employee list?

Any other idea?

cu Alexander


PS: Would you be willing to share your demo-url here? Perhaps write
something about your application within the "snippets-board"



> Just a quick question, has anybody had any idea of how to display sub
> addresses within the address book?