Re: [gentle] Gentle mention on dotnetrocks

[Sanders, D. <dsa...@op...>]

Ok, I just listened to his comment - grr.  I'm angry now.  Classic case
of an architect not seeing something in his own image and dismissing it,
rather than actually exploring it.  I personally wouldn't care if it
hadn't come out over DotNetRocks.

Maybe Morten needs to set up an interview with those guys and do a
podcast.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: gop...@li...
[mailto:gop...@li...] On Behalf Of Sanders,
David
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:03 PM
To: Gentle development
Subject: Re: [gentle] Gentle mention on dotnetrocks

Hrrrmph.  I've spoken with the Rob in the past about this.  When he put
out the video on Subsonic, I contacted him and we talked back and forth
about various implementations over email.  He made the claims about
Gentle's slowness and I pointed him to the AMPLE amount of work and
metrics that Morten had done and published on Gentle and he wasn't
swayed.  AFAIK, his complaints were about a much older version of Gentle
and he hadn't revisited it since.

His exact quote to me was:

"I used Gentle once before and stopped almost immediately when I ran a
small test using it. I had 2 pages open and both did the same thing-
fill a dropdown with 20 records from a table. In one page I used the
SqlClient, in the other I used Gentle. Now I know that it's not really
fair, but I wanted to see what type of noticeable performance hit I
would see, if any. I thought there would be a slight delay but...

I was not really shocked, I was actually appalled. Every time I
refreshed the page the Gentle page opened a FULL second after the
SqlClient - and this is just one simple request for data! Using an ORM
tool it's very likely people will make more calls per page - this to me
was horrifying.
=20
I'm sure there are many things to speed this up, but it triggered my gag
reflex really hard"

I haven't heard the podcast, but this completely sucks if he dissed
Gentle without giving it a fair shake, ESPECIALLY after I had recently
spoken to him about it... I'm disappointed.

D

PS: I don't know if anyone follows Scott Ambler's agiledatabases email
list, but I've been pumping Gentle up there quite a bit when the topic
turned to code generation tools / ORMs.  I think very few people on the
list use .NET though, so it's a tougher sell. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: gop...@li...
[mailto:gop...@li...] On Behalf Of Adam Bell
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:57 PM
To: Gentle development
Subject: [gentle] Gentle mention on dotnetrocks

Somebody should get on dotnetrocks and defend gentle.  In episode "Rob
Conery on Subsonic" at 24:00 minutes in he says gentle is unbelievably
slow.  His Subsonic ORM(generator)  looks pretty cool.  But Gentle is
doing just fine for me.
http://dotnetrocks.com/

Adam

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