Re: [OBO-Edit Working Group] Ontology development mailing list

[Tanya B. <tbe...@ac...>]

Here's one CA opinion:

go-oe-users

sounds ok to me.

Tanya

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:53 AM, David Hill <dp...@in...> wrote:

> I think go-oe-users is fine too.
>
> David
>
> Midori Harris wrote:
> > I think the potential for confusion is much, much less for
> > 'go-oe-users' than for a new 'go-editors' that doesn't mean the same
> > thing as the existing 'go-editors'! I therefore veto
> > 'go-...@ge...'.
> >
> > I'd also not mind if some of the "anyone in GO that uses OBO-Edit"
> > join the list; if it doesn't meet their expectations they can
> > unsubscribe.
> >
> > That said, if anyone comes up with a better suggestion than
> > 'go-oe-users', fine.
> >
> > m
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Jennifer Deegan (nee Clark) wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Can people let me know if they are happy with this name 'go-oe-users'
> >> before I write to request it? I want to be sure that it won't confuse
> >> people into thinking that it is just a list for anyone in GO that
> >> uses OBO-Edit (e.g. for browsing or temporary content efforts).
> >>
> >> 'go-...@eb...' is the list for the editorial office so
> >> go-...@ge... for all the people who edit (and commit)
> >> the GO regularly in the consortium might be good or might be
> >> confusing. Any other thoughts? Like I say, I have no preference as
> >> long as it seems sensible to people.
> >>
> >> Jen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jennifer Deegan (nee Clark) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks, and are you all happy with the name 'go-oe-users'?
> >>>
> >>> Jen
> >>>
> >>> Midori Harris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> You seem to have it in hand, so go ahead.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Jennifer Deegan (nee Clark) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Midori,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Great. So will you write to Mike or shall I?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Midori Harris wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Although, as I've said, I don't object to creating a list for
> >>>>>> people who use OBO-Edit to edit GO, I'd like to clarify a couple
> >>>>>> of things from this latest post:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is a really important discussion that we need to have
> >>>>>>> about cross
> >>>>>>> products that you are currently missing because you are not on the
> >>>>>>> OBO-Edit working group list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Note that there isn't a discussion of cross-products taking place
> >>>>>> on the OEWG list at the moment, although the subject has come up
> >>>>>> in a couple of recent "meetings" (online chats).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We need to have a list for people who edit
> >>>>>>> and commit the GO files as a large part of their job, so that we
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> easily bring such important issues to their attention. It is not
> >>>>>>> appropriate to write to the GO list when what we want to say is
> >>>>>>> 'Can all
> >>>>>>> GO OBO-Edit users run OBO-Edit 1.101 on their computers with the
> >>>>>>> reasoner on?' This would spam too many other people.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't actually think it would be a bad thing to inform the GO
> >>>>>> list of which version of OBO-Edit we're using for files we
> >>>>>> commit; it changes infrequently enough that it does not amount to
> >>>>>> an excessive quantity of list traffic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where a go-oe-users list will be useful is for discussions
> >>>>>> leading up to the decision to change the GO editing SOPs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please can we have this list set up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Neither David nor I has said no, now that the scope of the
> >>>>>> proposed list has been clarified.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> m
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jen
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> David Hill wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not opposed to a list like this, but I think it should
> >>>>>>>> certainly be
> >>>>>>>> supplemented with an SOP portion of the wiki where the 'gold
> >>>>>>>> standard'
> >>>>>>>> is kept. My concerns with a mailing list is that many timee
> >>>>>>>> people on
> >>>>>>>> the list don't know where discussion begins and ends and policy
> >>>>>>>> starts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jennifer Deegan (nee Clark) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Midori puts the intended scope of the list very clearly.
> >>>>>>>>> GO's OBO-Edit users is basically what we had in mind. Any name
> >>>>>>>>> is fine
> >>>>>>>>> by me.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jen
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Midori Harris wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Alex neatly identifies the key issue. The main reason David
> >>>>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>> have hesitated to create a new list for ontology content
> >>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>>>> is that managing the membership of such a list would be
> >>>>>>>>>> unwieldy at
> >>>>>>>>>> best (e.g. do we include or exclude people who are working on a
> >>>>>>>>>> specific content area, especially the outside experts?).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The proposed list of members below suggests that you're now
> >>>>>>>>>> asking
> >>>>>>>>>> for a list, not of all ontology developers, but of GO's OBO-Edit
> >>>>>>>>>> users. That is a rather more narrowly defined scope, with a
> >>>>>>>>>> smaller
> >>>>>>>>>> and more stable membership, and is an altogether more manageable
> >>>>>>>>>> prospect. I would not object to creating this list, provided
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> David also agrees.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For this list, however, "ontology development" would be a
> >>>>>>>>>> misnomer,
> >>>>>>>>>> because it would miss out a number of regular contributors to
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> ontology content, not to mention the experts who are more
> >>>>>>>>>> transiently
> >>>>>>>>>> associated with the GO effort. I therefore do not agree to
> >>>>>>>>>> name the
> >>>>>>>>>> list "ontology-development" or "go-development"; we should
> >>>>>>>>>> pick a
> >>>>>>>>>> more accurate name such as "go-oboedit-users" or "go-oe-users"
> >>>>>>>>>> (better ideas welcome!).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As for membership, the "go-oe-users" list should include
> >>>>>>>>>> Donghui, and
> >>>>>>>>>> Alex if he wants to join. There are a few others who could be
> >>>>>>>>>> invited, although if they opt out the list would still serve its
> >>>>>>>>>> purpose: Susan, Val, Pascale, Doug, Rama, Eurie, and maybe
> >>>>>>>>>> Kimberly
> >>>>>>>>>> or Ranjana. (They use OE and commit GO edits rarely or not at
> >>>>>>>>>> all,
> >>>>>>>>>> but any of them may take an interest in the practices of
> >>>>>>>>>> those who do.)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry to be so longswinded!
> >>>>>>>>>> midori
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Alexander Diehl wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jen,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is this list intended for discussion of the mechanics of
> >>>>>>>>>>> ontology file
> >>>>>>>>>>> editing or discussions of ontology development and content?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alex
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jennifer Deegan (nee Clark) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We would like to include anyone who regularly edits GO
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ontology files,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and Chris since he is so heavily involved in ontology file
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issues. I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not sure I know the complete list but I think it would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>>> like:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Midori
> >>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tanya
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jane
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jen
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Harold
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Did I forget anyone? We can always sign people up after the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> list is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> started if there are others.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Midori Harris wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who will be on the list?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jennifer Deegan (nee Clark) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David and Midori,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This evening we were discussing on the OBO-Edit Working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Group
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chat the need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for an ontology development mailing list for the people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who edit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GO.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris and I would like to ask once again, rather
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emphatically,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that such a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list should be made immediately. We have had situations
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information is not getting through to all the people who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear it, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would like to avoid having that happen again. Also this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evening we were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing the current situation with cross products and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OBO-Edit, and we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a list to which we can send the pertinent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep everybody
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the loop. Please would it be possible for this list to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be set
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up so we can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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