Supporters and people interested in Great Cow BASIC!
As promised months before, the new fancy Homepage for Great Cow BASIC is ready for take off. You have now the chance to look at the preview. http://gcbasic.sourceforge.net/Typesetter/index.php
Please click around, watch for errors and misspellings.
Anobium and I are curious about your comments.
Slight changes are still to come.
Last edit: bed 2017-11-01
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Thank you!
A RSS Newsfeed is still to come, but the Optic remains, you like the Background? The site is Mobile Devices aware, try it with your Smarthome
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Scales very nicely on my Phablet Device.
Very readable in both Portrait and landscape mode.
Unfortunately the help won't scale and is so tiny as to be illegible in
portrait mode,
but that is not your fault and a double tap zooms in nicely.
Thank you!
A RSS Newsfeed is still to come, but the Optic remains, you like the
Background? The side is Mobile Devices aware, try it with your Smarthome
I frequently use the Help link for the latest GCB information. It would be nice to have the links, even with no explanation, at the very top, or as a side panel in view on the very first page, rather than scrolling to the bottom to find them.
Oh, OK I see the links under Great Cow Basic Suite link at the top now. Still would be nice to have them broken out? The top header links were not obvious to me when opening the page. In Firefox, the navigation and toolbar links have that same sort of light gray background, so the font sort of blends in and does not standout. So, a different header background color, and font?, for the links to more prominent at the top? I miss the cow.
I hope I am not overly critical, and again, good job!
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Indeed, the enlighment of Menu selection is very low, its depends a bit on the Monitor, too.
I will try out a smooth correction.
And yes, we want critics, the homepage should be easy and understandable. Not only for current users, also for Newbies as a good starting Point
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Yea, it is not not that obvious that you have landed on the Great Cow Basic homepage. Somehow that badge/moniker needs to be more prominent to come across.
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I fighting with the Grey below Home, I am not the CSS specialist, only a casual user. So it will last some time until I found a nice solution for the Menu.
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Don't sweat it to much bad.
I have tested the page under Chrome and Firefox in both Windows and Linux,
and with Chrome on Android, and the menus are perfectly visible and the
contrast fine.
That said it may be an issue for others who have colour contrast / vision
issues, but it is not a show stopper.
I fighting with the Grey below Home, I am not the CSS specialist, only a
casual user. So it will last some time until I found a nice solution for
the Menu.
I do have some success, but not fully, I have a lot of css errors, will investigate where the error comes from sure my own unability to understand css fully ;-)
So I will let it as it is and manage the 2 points left for us, I'm sure Weekend will bring an update to the Site.
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Ich mag es, aber wo ist die Kuh? :)
Very nice. A good job.
Which microcontroller supported could be Pic and AVR to save looking for a different one.
Mention GCB is a fast compiler as an alternative to C to get AVR users on board.
oder vielleicht nicht
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Ok, where is the Cow? I looked for it, for some drafts it was somewhere, it is lost in space. Suggest where it would bee a good place. @ "Which microcontroller supported could be Pic and AVR to save looking for a different one.
Mention GCB is a fast compiler as an alternative to C to get AVR users on board."
Yes this should be definitly flow in anywhere
ps: meanwhile the Site was somewhat extended :-)
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@Stan. You write some copy/words as a complete paragraph on ' GCB is a fast compiler as an alternative to C to get AVR users on board. ' and we can use it.
And, PIC v AVR ... 18F26K42 v MEGA328p. My view.
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A minor typo on the 'Home' page, the line containing ...the fastest method to program a Microchip PIC ir Atmel AVR 8-bit microcontroller for those just starting and the professional user... I presume should read "Microchip PIC or Atmel AVR"?
I'm very impressed. Well done, and thank you for your hard work.
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Does anyone here know what the intention of GCGB is? It seems 'gimmcky' to me. Does anyone really use it? I think it confuses the 'brand' of the main product for someone who's breezing by, looking for a good development tool set. The 'brand' should be clean and boldly proclaimed as the only dual-platform (PIC/AVR) programming language that lets you easily develop applications that take advantage of all the Arduino processors and peripherals available, plus anything else you might want to use in the PIC/AVR repertoire. The 'Great Cow' name is bad enough; I think showing the GCGB Graphical IDE on the home page could lead one astray about what the product really is, giving the impression of an amateurish system.
My 2 cents; apologies to whom I offended.
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I will let Anobium give you a full reply but in a nutshell Hugh was only 16 when he wrote the compiler so Great Cow BASIC sounded like a cool name. As for GCGB the graphical programing interface is part of the English School Curriculum and so is there to encourage juniors to use it.
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I understand the sensitivity of the subject to Hugh, whom I respect very, very much for what he produced and what it has become (also to Evan and several others including you, who have really taken it by the horns and driven it home). However, I think the product is mature enough now that it could be at a tipping point. What it needs is a good ‘marketing’ campaign to make the world aware there’s an easier and better way than Arduino (at least for beginners).
To me, GCGB is a similar but different product. Maybe it should have its own section on the web site, or even its own site? Right now, I think it confuses the brand, which is already confusing enough.
From: Chris Roper
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 3:21 PM
To: [gcbasic:discussion]
Subject: [gcbasic:discussion] Re: New Homepage for Great Cow BASIC is Ready!
I will let Anobium give you a full reply but in a nutshell Hugh was only 16 when he wrote the compiler so Great Cow BASIC sounded like a cool name. As for GCGB the graphical programing interface is part of the English School Curriculum and so is there to encourage juniors to use it.
GCBASIC was the original tool, but I had some resistance in getting high schools to agree to text based programming. GCGB is a tool to overcome this, the idea is that GCGB essentially acts like a set of training wheels. The idea of GCGB is that the icons make it less scary, and since they all share names with the BASIC commands it's then easy to remember what command corresponds to each icon. Users can then switch to text mode whenever they want to, go backwards and forwards a few times if they want, and finally end up using just the text programming.
Those who already have programming experience can go straight to GCBASIC, while those who'd prefer a lighter learning curve can take the GCGB option. We're targetting two different sets of users here who ultimately want to do the same thing.
As for the name, it was about the fourth one I tried. First name was BASPIC, but it didn't seem memorable enough. Then I considered some animal names - first thought was Chipmunk BASIC, but someone already used that. Then Bear Basic, but decided against it on finding out the slang meaning of bear. Last choice was Great Cow BASIC, which is named after something my sister and I came up with (when aged 12 and 15). No-one else had that name, it had no meanings that could offend, and it was something odd enough to be memorable, so Great Cow BASIC it was.
And don't worry, no offense taken. All good questions!
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I think it looks like a sheep ?
Ggcb is like picaxe blocky, for educational use in schools it seems...they don't teach c maybe. I tried it for 5 minutes and gave up...too old :)
How about-
" TRIED PICAXE AND WAITED FOR THE KETTLE TO BOIL OR ARDUINO C AND CAN'T MAKE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT ?....THEN TRY GCB ! "
hmmm, nah
Ps I knew it was atom heart mother but computers weren't around then
Stan
I think it’s a good sentiment and should be included in a page with a name something like “Why GCB?”
Also, maybe a list of one-line endorsements from the many who have been using it successfully for years.
From: stan cartwright
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 3:40 PM
To: [gcbasic:discussion]
Subject: [gcbasic:discussion] New Homepage for Great Cow BASIC is Ready!
I think it looks like a sheep ?
Ggcb is like picaxe blocky, for educational use in schools it seems...they don't teach c maybe. I tried it for 5 minutes and gave up...too old :)
How about-
" TRIED PICAXE AND WAITED FOR THE KETTLE TO BOIL OR ARDUINO C AND CAN'T MAKE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT ?....THEN TRY GCB ! "
hmmm, nah
bed
May I suggest something for a future version? I think it would be nice to have a couple of side-bar areas where news (new releases, features, etc) could be announced on the home page..
Also, has anyone done a YouTube video on any related subject? If so, it would be good to feature them in a 'Videos' section. Same applies to any related educational/informational documents that might be wandering around the 'net. A list of links to work/projects others are doing with GCB would be nice (maybe this already exists).
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There are several videos, Even and I are just discussing that at the moment
joe, so you are on the same page :)
At this rate we will be keepin bed away from his bed.
bed
May I suggest something for a future version? I think it would be nice to
have a couple of side-bar areas where news (new releases, features, etc)
could be announced on the home page..
Also, has anyone done a YouTube video on any related subject? If so, it
would be good to feature them in a 'Videos' section. Same applies to any
related educational/informational documents that might be wandering around
the 'net. A list of links to work/projects others are doing with GCB would
be nice (maybe this already exists).
Supporters and people interested in Great Cow BASIC!
As promised months before, the new fancy Homepage for Great Cow BASIC is ready for take off.
You have now the chance to look at the preview.
http://gcbasic.sourceforge.net/Typesetter/index.php
Please click around, watch for errors and misspellings.
Anobium and I are curious about your comments.
Slight changes are still to come.
Last edit: bed 2017-11-01
Super! :) I have the pleasure!
Presentation is spot on and the Download and Help options prominent and
accessible.
My first impression - Excellent !!
Well done bed and thanks,
Cheers
Chris
On 1 November 2017 at 11:29, JANIS kalvitis@users.sf.net wrote:
Thank you!
A RSS Newsfeed is still to come, but the Optic remains, you like the Background? The site is Mobile Devices aware, try it with your Smarthome
Last edit: bed 2017-11-01
Scales very nicely on my Phablet Device.
Very readable in both Portrait and landscape mode.
Unfortunately the help won't scale and is so tiny as to be illegible in
portrait mode,
but that is not your fault and a double tap zooms in nicely.
On 1 November 2017 at 11:37, bed bdau@users.sf.net wrote:
Good job.
I frequently use the Help link for the latest GCB information. It would be nice to have the links, even with no explanation, at the very top, or as a side panel in view on the very first page, rather than scrolling to the bottom to find them.
Oh, OK I see the links under Great Cow Basic Suite link at the top now. Still would be nice to have them broken out? The top header links were not obvious to me when opening the page. In Firefox, the navigation and toolbar links have that same sort of light gray background, so the font sort of blends in and does not standout. So, a different header background color, and font?, for the links to more prominent at the top? I miss the cow.
I hope I am not overly critical, and again, good job!
Indeed, the enlighment of Menu selection is very low, its depends a bit on the Monitor, too.
I will try out a smooth correction.
And yes, we want critics, the homepage should be easy and understandable. Not only for current users, also for Newbies as a good starting Point
Yea, it is not not that obvious that you have landed on the Great Cow Basic homepage. Somehow that badge/moniker needs to be more prominent to come across.
I fighting with the Grey below Home, I am not the CSS specialist, only a casual user. So it will last some time until I found a nice solution for the Menu.
Don't sweat it to much bad.
I have tested the page under Chrome and Firefox in both Windows and Linux,
and with Chrome on Android, and the menus are perfectly visible and the
contrast fine.
That said it may be an issue for others who have colour contrast / vision
issues, but it is not a show stopper.
On 1 November 2017 at 15:09, bed bdau@users.sf.net wrote:
I do have some success, but not fully, I have a lot of css errors, will investigate where the error comes from sure my own unability to understand css fully ;-)
So I will let it as it is and manage the 2 points left for us, I'm sure Weekend will bring an update to the Site.
Ich mag es, aber wo ist die Kuh? :)
Very nice. A good job.
Which microcontroller supported could be Pic and AVR to save looking for a different one.
Mention GCB is a fast compiler as an alternative to C to get AVR users on board.
oder vielleicht nicht
Ok, where is the Cow? I looked for it, for some drafts it was somewhere, it is lost in space. Suggest where it would bee a good place. @ "Which microcontroller supported could be Pic and AVR to save looking for a different one.
Mention GCB is a fast compiler as an alternative to C to get AVR users on board."
Yes this should be definitly flow in anywhere
ps: meanwhile the Site was somewhat extended :-)
Die Kuh sprang über den Mond :)
@Stan. You write some copy/words as a complete paragraph on ' GCB is a fast compiler as an alternative to C to get AVR users on board. ' and we can use it.
And, PIC v AVR ... 18F26K42 v MEGA328p. My view.
Congratulations. It looks great!
A minor typo on the 'Home' page, the line containing ...the fastest method to program a Microchip PIC ir Atmel AVR 8-bit microcontroller for those just starting and the professional user... I presume should read "Microchip PIC or Atmel AVR"?
I'm very impressed. Well done, and thank you for your hard work.
I vote Cow at top left corner, along with prominent GCB or Great Cow Basic Logo, for those of us who read left to right :)
Last edit: kent_twt4 2017-11-01
Does anyone here know what the intention of GCGB is? It seems 'gimmcky' to me. Does anyone really use it? I think it confuses the 'brand' of the main product for someone who's breezing by, looking for a good development tool set. The 'brand' should be clean and boldly proclaimed as the only dual-platform (PIC/AVR) programming language that lets you easily develop applications that take advantage of all the Arduino processors and peripherals available, plus anything else you might want to use in the PIC/AVR repertoire. The 'Great Cow' name is bad enough; I think showing the GCGB Graphical IDE on the home page could lead one astray about what the product really is, giving the impression of an amateurish system.
My 2 cents; apologies to whom I offended.
I will let Anobium give you a full reply but in a nutshell Hugh was only 16 when he wrote the compiler so Great Cow BASIC sounded like a cool name. As for GCGB the graphical programing interface is part of the English School Curriculum and so is there to encourage juniors to use it.
Thanks Chris
I understand the sensitivity of the subject to Hugh, whom I respect very, very much for what he produced and what it has become (also to Evan and several others including you, who have really taken it by the horns and driven it home). However, I think the product is mature enough now that it could be at a tipping point. What it needs is a good ‘marketing’ campaign to make the world aware there’s an easier and better way than Arduino (at least for beginners).
To me, GCGB is a similar but different product. Maybe it should have its own section on the web site, or even its own site? Right now, I think it confuses the brand, which is already confusing enough.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 3:21 PM
To: [gcbasic:discussion]
Subject: [gcbasic:discussion] Re: New Homepage for Great Cow BASIC is Ready!
I will let Anobium give you a full reply but in a nutshell Hugh was only 16 when he wrote the compiler so Great Cow BASIC sounded like a cool name. As for GCGB the graphical programing interface is part of the English School Curriculum and so is there to encourage juniors to use it.
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GCBASIC was the original tool, but I had some resistance in getting high schools to agree to text based programming. GCGB is a tool to overcome this, the idea is that GCGB essentially acts like a set of training wheels. The idea of GCGB is that the icons make it less scary, and since they all share names with the BASIC commands it's then easy to remember what command corresponds to each icon. Users can then switch to text mode whenever they want to, go backwards and forwards a few times if they want, and finally end up using just the text programming.
Those who already have programming experience can go straight to GCBASIC, while those who'd prefer a lighter learning curve can take the GCGB option. We're targetting two different sets of users here who ultimately want to do the same thing.
As for the name, it was about the fourth one I tried. First name was BASPIC, but it didn't seem memorable enough. Then I considered some animal names - first thought was Chipmunk BASIC, but someone already used that. Then Bear Basic, but decided against it on finding out the slang meaning of bear. Last choice was Great Cow BASIC, which is named after something my sister and I came up with (when aged 12 and 15). No-one else had that name, it had no meanings that could offend, and it was something odd enough to be memorable, so Great Cow BASIC it was.
And don't worry, no offense taken. All good questions!
I think it looks like a sheep ?
Ggcb is like picaxe blocky, for educational use in schools it seems...they don't teach c maybe. I tried it for 5 minutes and gave up...too old :)
How about-
" TRIED PICAXE AND WAITED FOR THE KETTLE TO BOIL OR ARDUINO C AND CAN'T MAKE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT ?....THEN TRY GCB ! "
hmmm, nah
Ps I knew it was atom heart mother but computers weren't around then
Last edit: stan cartwright 2017-11-01
Stan
I think it’s a good sentiment and should be included in a page with a name something like “Why GCB?”
Also, maybe a list of one-line endorsements from the many who have been using it successfully for years.
From: stan cartwright
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 3:40 PM
To: [gcbasic:discussion]
Subject: [gcbasic:discussion] New Homepage for Great Cow BASIC is Ready!
I think it looks like a sheep ?
Ggcb is like picaxe blocky, for educational use in schools it seems...they don't teach c maybe. I tried it for 5 minutes and gave up...too old :)
How about-
" TRIED PICAXE AND WAITED FOR THE KETTLE TO BOIL OR ARDUINO C AND CAN'T MAKE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT ?....THEN TRY GCB ! "
hmmm, nah
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bed
May I suggest something for a future version? I think it would be nice to have a couple of side-bar areas where news (new releases, features, etc) could be announced on the home page..
Also, has anyone done a YouTube video on any related subject? If so, it would be good to feature them in a 'Videos' section. Same applies to any related educational/informational documents that might be wandering around the 'net. A list of links to work/projects others are doing with GCB would be nice (maybe this already exists).
There are several videos, Even and I are just discussing that at the moment
joe, so you are on the same page :)
At this rate we will be keepin bed away from his bed.
On 1 November 2017 at 22:02, joe rocci jdrocci@users.sf.net wrote: