Nice one shareing. Link had my details already and I got an email to click. ETA xmas?
Anobium suggested requesting evaluation boards from microchip but then they wouldn't sell any.
Also more chance if you say you're a gcb developer.
Last edit: stan cartwright 2018-03-08
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To be added at the next release. From the next release note.
Item 497 New
ChipFiles Supported added for [710 and 712]
PIC16F18426
PIC16F18446
PIC16F19195
PIC16F19196
PIC18F25K83
PIC18F26K83
PIC18F27K42
PIC18F47K42
PIC18F57K42
So, we need to get a pre-release version out to the folks who get the new board. I have three boards coming.
Why do we need to get pre-release version out ? These new microcontrollers will need to be tested and quality assessed. I think we should be ok with K42's but the new 16f's could need to more functional changes.
@Randall. I will add you to the pre-release version list of testers.
Anobium
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I use gmail. I must have an account as I just clicked the link and my details were filled in already.
I'll send you mine...I'm going off new pics :)
New pics on linux...ARGHHHH!!
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Can you please explain the connection between PIC Microcontrollers and Linux - do you mean the Pi?
/Rant On
I get that you are an Arduino Fan and like clone Nano Boards from China, but constantly bad mouthing advanced devices from the world's largest Microcontroller manufacturer, just because you are not used to the architecture, is doing no one any good.
Especially not GCBASIC.
The Enhanced Mid-Range PIC devices are aimed at the professional Electronics and Process control markets, they have very advanced peripherals that cover both Analogue and Digital fields and configuration options that make them extremely flexible when used in Industrial applications.
When you consider that each pin of an Enhanced Mid-Range Device may have as many as 16 different functions, which may be digital or analogue, it is quite remarkable that it is actually supported by GCBASIC.
In fact GCBASIC is the ONLY non Microchip Compiler to fully support them, including PPS and a full configurator.
They are not aimed at the hobby market and never claimed to be, they are advanced devices that require a full understanding of both the hardware and software needed in the target application, and not just the board, they even go so far as to incorporate Configurable Logic Elements in the device so you can design your own hardware interfaces and peripherals.
They are, therefore, not comparable to any PICAxe, Arduino or Linux processors.
If you are serious about learning Microcontrollers then study the PIC architecture.
Start with the Baseline devices, progress to the Mid-range and finally, when you think you know the architecture, you may then progress to enhanced Mid-range devices and the Xpress Boards. There are plenty of published examples in the Demo and Help folders along with extensive application notes and DataSheets on the Manufacturers website.
Until then please stop showing your ignorance and annoying one of GCBASIC's principle backers, in the form of Microchip, by bad mouthing their most advanced devices and comparing their professionally designed evaluation boards to cheap chinese hobby boards.
The tools may be harder to grasp but that is true of any field.
The more advanced the toolset the larger the learning curve and the subsequent reward.
/Rant Off
Cheers
Chris
Last edit: Chris Roper 2018-03-11
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Ha! Good points Chris. bed uses linux and new pps pic...no connection except difficult.
I'm not a prof so can say it's not easy stuff. I'm a hobbyist.
I'm an arduino fan as it's a practical, easy to use general purpose cheap microcontroller board for hobbyist use.
Anobium recommended xpress board for picaxe users new to gcb. Would you recommend such professional devices to a picaxe user? This is my rant.
I don't want to learn about pics, that's why I use gcb.
Is bad mouthing the same as saying a beginner finds it difficult?
I think you may have taken this the wrong way Chris. The work done is great.
I'm just relating a beginner's experience and thoughts.
I have more learning curves than I can throw a stick at.
Maybe split the forum into hobbyist and professional but what if the hobbyist gets a job getting paid for what they did as a hobby?
Think that's it. Monday tomorrow.
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re anobiums recommendation so where I came from...why did I bother. "Reduce learning curve"
@Mario.
Welcome.
You will enjoy Great Cow BASIC. There are many converts here.
Ask questions, there is a learning curve but others have been there before you.
Re the PicKit3 - there is some good news coming on this from us, but, meanwhile, you will need to update the PicKit3 software and the underlying database. You will find this in your Great Cow BASIC installation folder - reinstall the GUI software then update the .dat file provided.
;+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re the K8048. I put mine in the bin. There a lots and lots of much better boards. From a learning experience I would recommend the Microchip Xpress Board - a 16f18855. It will reduce your learning curve hughly.
:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And, you may want to walk through a set of demos. See your installation. ..\GreatCowBasic\Demos\Vendor Boards\Microchip - Low Pin Count Demo Board\PICKit3 Board\16F1829 Whilst this may not be your chip (cus that would be so lucky!) you can just adapt these demos for your select chip and board. I used to use the AXE091 board for all prototyping about 5 years ago.
Yes, I am exPicaxe.
Anobium
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A few years ago I created a Guide to PPS for the PIC32/ChipKIT community that attempted to show what PPS is, what it is for and how it is used. I will have a look at modifying that for use with the new PIC16 devices and update the examples to reflect PIC16 and GCBASIC rather than PIC32 and GCC.
Initially I will post it under User Submitted Projects & Guides. Then if required we can fix the inevitable typos and grammatical errors before adding it to the Help Files.
Cheers
Chris
p.s. Give me a couple of days as It is a fairly complex task and I want to do it properly to avoid future confusion.
Last edit: Chris Roper 2018-03-11
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Anobium, yes,out of context as in the best intentions you recommended xpress board as a way of using it to show pps but I thought it's to show a cool general purpose board. My error.
I'll use this board for the pps understanding at first.
Sorry if I upset anyone.
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Try maplin now they gone bust. I remember the first shop in cairdiff. No more sending off for stuff...a bit. before ebay or cpc/farnell/rs trade only. All there stuff will be in poundland soon...honest. I still use one of their multimeters.
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I spotted the PIC16F18446 on the website a few months back but they weren't expecting any to ship for a long time so didn't bother requesting a sample to play around with.
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Item 497 New
ChipFiles Supported added for [710 and 712]
PIC16F18426
PIC16F18446
PIC16F19195
PIC16F19196
PIC18F25K83
PIC18F26K83
PIC18F27K42
PIC18F47K42
PIC18F57K42
So, we need to get a pre-release version out to the folks who get the new board for testing.
Why do we need to get pre-release version out ? These new microcontrollers will need to be tested and quality assessed. I think we should be ok with K42's but the new 16f's could need to more functional changes.
Anobium
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I am requesting Samples of the following:
14 PIN PIC16F18426,
20 PIN PIC16F18446
and the
28 PIN PIC16F18456
They are all part of the PIC16F18446 family.
I see that the 28 PIN device is not listed above but it should be compatible as it appears to be the same core as the PIC16F18446 in a 28 PIN package.
When they arrive I can test that theory.
I think the Samples will arrive long before the board as I suspect they will have a large backorder on the board.
Cheers
Chris
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We do not support PIC16F18456 yet. As Microchip have not released MPASM support for that microcontroller. There was supporting microcontroller INC file @ IDE 4.10 Feb 2018. For the following also,
Yes the PIC16F18456 and the rest of the PIC16F1845x series are currently listed as a Future Product so will hopefuly be put on backorder. But by the time Microchip do release support I should have recived stock to be able to help test it.
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Well I had an email a few weeks back from Microchip saying an order had been placed, but nothing was showing on my account. Sales support confirmed it was the PIC16F18446 board so I was expecting it to have arrived, but then I had an email yesterday saying it had been dispatched so we'll see when it turns up...
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Howdy all,
I'm not sure GCB basic support the PIC16F18446 yet but , see ...
"Evaluation Board Giveaway, PIC16F18446 Product Family"
http://page.microchip.com/184freeboard.html
Easy to request, just takes a second.
Best,
R.
Last edit: Randall Young 2018-03-08
Nice one shareing. Link had my details already and I got an email to click. ETA xmas?
Anobium suggested requesting evaluation boards from microchip but then they wouldn't sell any.
Also more chance if you say you're a gcb developer.
Last edit: stan cartwright 2018-03-08
To be added at the next release. From the next release note.
Item 497 New ChipFiles Supported added for [710 and 712] PIC16F18426 PIC16F18446 PIC16F19195 PIC16F19196 PIC18F25K83 PIC18F26K83 PIC18F27K42 PIC18F47K42 PIC18F57K42So, we need to get a pre-release version out to the folks who get the new board. I have three boards coming.
Why do we need to get pre-release version out ? These new microcontrollers will need to be tested and quality assessed. I think we should be ok with K42's but the new 16f's could need to more functional changes.
@Randall. I will add you to the pre-release version list of testers.
Anobium
See,Anobium gets 3, we get 1 :)
One from the website, one from Marketing and one from mate inside on Microchip. I am expecting you (Stan ) to send me yours as this is a PIC!!
Many thanks. Just ordered one for me, one for work.
Thanks Randall. Hopefully one will find itself on the doorstep in the near future.
hhm, it seems My email Address is not allowede for it. :-(
I use gmail. I must have an account as I just clicked the link and my details were filled in already.
I'll send you mine...I'm going off new pics :)
New pics on linux...ARGHHHH!!
Can you please explain the connection between PIC Microcontrollers and Linux - do you mean the Pi?
/Rant On
I get that you are an Arduino Fan and like clone Nano Boards from China, but constantly bad mouthing advanced devices from the world's largest Microcontroller manufacturer, just because you are not used to the architecture, is doing no one any good.
Especially not GCBASIC.
The Enhanced Mid-Range PIC devices are aimed at the professional Electronics and Process control markets, they have very advanced peripherals that cover both Analogue and Digital fields and configuration options that make them extremely flexible when used in Industrial applications.
When you consider that each pin of an Enhanced Mid-Range Device may have as many as 16 different functions, which may be digital or analogue, it is quite remarkable that it is actually supported by GCBASIC.
In fact GCBASIC is the ONLY non Microchip Compiler to fully support them, including PPS and a full configurator.
They are not aimed at the hobby market and never claimed to be, they are advanced devices that require a full understanding of both the hardware and software needed in the target application, and not just the board, they even go so far as to incorporate Configurable Logic Elements in the device so you can design your own hardware interfaces and peripherals.
They are, therefore, not comparable to any PICAxe, Arduino or Linux processors.
If you are serious about learning Microcontrollers then study the PIC architecture.
Start with the Baseline devices, progress to the Mid-range and finally, when you think you know the architecture, you may then progress to enhanced Mid-range devices and the Xpress Boards. There are plenty of published examples in the Demo and Help folders along with extensive application notes and DataSheets on the Manufacturers website.
Until then please stop showing your ignorance and annoying one of GCBASIC's principle backers, in the form of Microchip, by bad mouthing their most advanced devices and comparing their professionally designed evaluation boards to cheap chinese hobby boards.
The tools may be harder to grasp but that is true of any field.
The more advanced the toolset the larger the learning curve and the subsequent reward.
/Rant Off
Cheers
Chris
Last edit: Chris Roper 2018-03-11
Ha! Good points Chris. bed uses linux and new pps pic...no connection except difficult.
I'm not a prof so can say it's not easy stuff. I'm a hobbyist.
I'm an arduino fan as it's a practical, easy to use general purpose cheap microcontroller board for hobbyist use.
Anobium recommended xpress board for picaxe users new to gcb. Would you recommend such professional devices to a picaxe user? This is my rant.
I don't want to learn about pics, that's why I use gcb.
Is bad mouthing the same as saying a beginner finds it difficult?
I think you may have taken this the wrong way Chris. The work done is great.
I'm just relating a beginner's experience and thoughts.
I have more learning curves than I can throw a stick at.
Maybe split the forum into hobbyist and professional but what if the hobbyist gets a job getting paid for what they did as a hobby?
Think that's it. Monday tomorrow.
re anobiums recommendation so where I came from...why did I bother. "Reduce learning curve"
@Mario.
Welcome.
You will enjoy Great Cow BASIC. There are many converts here.
Ask questions, there is a learning curve but others have been there before you.
Re the PicKit3 - there is some good news coming on this from us, but, meanwhile, you will need to update the PicKit3 software and the underlying database. You will find this in your Great Cow BASIC installation folder - reinstall the GUI software then update the .dat file provided.
;+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re the K8048. I put mine in the bin. There a lots and lots of much better boards. From a learning experience I would recommend the Microchip Xpress Board - a 16f18855. It will reduce your learning curve hughly.
:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And, you may want to walk through a set of demos. See your installation. ..\GreatCowBasic\Demos\Vendor Boards\Microchip - Low Pin Count Demo Board\PICKit3 Board\16F1829 Whilst this may not be your chip (cus that would be so lucky!) you can just adapt these demos for your select chip and board. I used to use the AXE091 board for all prototyping about 5 years ago.
Yes, I am exPicaxe.
Anobium
@Stan, Do not take my advice out of context. You must read the context. The context is the K8048!! Read the start of the sentence.
Chris, please make pps easier to use for dummies. Others have sorted it. How? Are they professionals?
Good Idea Stan.
A few years ago I created a Guide to PPS for the PIC32/ChipKIT community that attempted to show what PPS is, what it is for and how it is used. I will have a look at modifying that for use with the new PIC16 devices and update the examples to reflect PIC16 and GCBASIC rather than PIC32 and GCC.
Initially I will post it under User Submitted Projects & Guides. Then if required we can fix the inevitable typos and grammatical errors before adding it to the Help Files.
Cheers
Chris
p.s. Give me a couple of days as It is a fairly complex task and I want to do it properly to avoid future confusion.
Last edit: Chris Roper 2018-03-11
Anobium, yes,out of context as in the best intentions you recommended xpress board as a way of using it to show pps but I thought it's to show a cool general purpose board. My error.
I'll use this board for the pps understanding at first.
Sorry if I upset anyone.
@Stan. Nothing to do with PPS. The context was a low cost PIC board with no programmer or no serial to figure out how to use. Crikey.
Last edit: Anobium 2018-03-11
Try maplin now they gone bust. I remember the first shop in cairdiff. No more sending off for stuff...a bit. before ebay or cpc/farnell/rs trade only. All there stuff will be in poundland soon...honest. I still use one of their multimeters.
Thanks for sharing, I've requested one.
I spotted the PIC16F18446 on the website a few months back but they weren't expecting any to ship for a long time so didn't bother requesting a sample to play around with.
Support will be added at the next release.
Item 497 New ChipFiles Supported added for [710 and 712] PIC16F18426 PIC16F18446 PIC16F19195 PIC16F19196 PIC18F25K83 PIC18F26K83 PIC18F27K42 PIC18F47K42 PIC18F57K42So, we need to get a pre-release version out to the folks who get the new board for testing.
Why do we need to get pre-release version out ? These new microcontrollers will need to be tested and quality assessed. I think we should be ok with K42's but the new 16f's could need to more functional changes.
Anobium
I am requesting Samples of the following:
14 PIN PIC16F18426,
20 PIN PIC16F18446
and the
28 PIN PIC16F18456
They are all part of the PIC16F18446 family.
I see that the 28 PIN device is not listed above but it should be compatible as it appears to be the same core as the PIC16F18446 in a 28 PIN package.
When they arrive I can test that theory.
I think the Samples will arrive long before the board as I suspect they will have a large backorder on the board.
Cheers
Chris
We do not support PIC16F18456 yet. As Microchip have not released MPASM support for that microcontroller. There was supporting microcontroller INC file @ IDE 4.10 Feb 2018. For the following also,
PIC16F18424
PIC16F18425
PIC16F18444
PIC16F18445
PIC16F18455
PIC16F18456
Yes the PIC16F18456 and the rest of the PIC16F1845x series are currently listed as a Future Product so will hopefuly be put on backorder. But by the time Microchip do release support I should have recived stock to be able to help test it.
Well I had an email a few weeks back from Microchip saying an order had been placed, but nothing was showing on my account. Sales support confirmed it was the PIC16F18446 board so I was expecting it to have arrived, but then I had an email yesterday saying it had been dispatched so we'll see when it turns up...
I heard same news today. Shipping is commencing. We will see.