RE: [GD-General] How I hate recruitment agencies within any indus try especially games...

[Jacob T. (C. D. Ltd) <Ja...@Co...>]

Or get the BRITsoft book (about =A350) from elspa
(http://www.elspa.com/britsoft/) which contains the addresses and =
contacts
of UK video games companies and more.

Then send your CV to the companies where you would like to work (saving =
them
the 25% of your salary)

Jake

-----Original Message-----
From: Javier Arevalo [mailto:ja...@py...]
Sent: 09 May 2002 15:53
To: gam...@li...
Subject: Re: [GD-General] How I hate recruitment agencies within any
industry especially games...


Take the time to put together a good resume and a demo or art reel =
(demo in
your case). Buy Edge magazine for a couple months since many UK houses =
ad
there. Do your homework and put together a list of companies that you =
would
want to work for, check their websites, find their addresses and =
contact
infos, mail company employees whose emails you find in public forums =
like
this one (ONLY as a last resort, always politely and concisely, and =
only
ONCE whether you get an answer or not). Then send copies of your resume =
and
demo/reel, along with personalized letters explaining what makes you
interested in working for each specific company.

Doing all this hard(er) work will pay off, and it'll be a good warmup =
since
once you land the job, you'll be working quite hard anyway. :)

As for recruitment companies, I don't know nor care. I guess they have =
their
place since people and companies use their services, it's up to each =
one to
decide if the time & hassle saved is worth the money paid. No need to =
call
them names, at least not before you have proven your own worth =
methinks.

Javier Arevalo
Pyro Studios


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anon Pie" <an...@ho...>


> At the moment I'm looking for a new programming job within the (UK) =
games
> industry (Well I'm beginning to wonder if I should do something else
> instead) and I'm part playing with the fun that is recruitment =
agents.  I
> really do hate them.  If they place me the lucky company will have to
shell
> out ~25% of the offered salary to the agency after I've been there =
three
> months.  This has the effect of driving down the salary I will be =
offered
> which sucks.
>
> So why use a recruitment agency?  The simple reason why I find myself
being
> thrown back into that trap when I move jobs is because there is no =
single
> one place where I can find a list of 'real' jobs currently available =
-
plus
> some companies do not have the time or resources to advertise =
properly.
Yeh
> you can see job listings on the internet but I can guarantee the =
majority
do
> not exist and have been placed as bait by agents.  This is an =
appalling
> situation.
>
> I have not yet seen or heard of one example where an agent has been
anywhere
> remotely worth the ~25% they charge.  I find it sickening.  All they =
have
> ever done is get in the way and lose me jobs by not responding =
quickly
> enough - or by reformating my CV - Ever turned up for an interview =
and
found
> that the company has an altered form of your CV with the wording
changed? -
> this is especially great when an agent assumes that his/her technical
> knowledge is far superior and rewords jargon so it no longer makes =
any
sense
> or infact creates new words that have no meaning...
>
> Every time I'm called in for an interview that turns out to be with =
an
agent
> I find it immensely frustrating - as if this guy sat in front of me =
is
> really is able to fathom my knowledge of C++, assembly language and =
3d
> experience!  And as if he was there until 3am the other day doing =
'just
one
> more room' in Dungeon Siege or fragging someones ass online.  They're
> vultures who provide nothing more than a rip-off introductory service =
and
> then proceed to pop up in an annoying manor afterwards.
>
> It's annoyed me so much I'm actually thinking of setting up my own =
games
> recruitment agency (eek!).  As far as I can see it a decent agency =
should
> provide:
>
> 1) A web service where companies can advertise directly for a =
standard
> decent advertising rate.  ie: candidates can go to one central place =
and
> find a list of jobs currently available and actually have decent =
details
on
> them and who they're for and how to contact the company involved
*directly*.
>
> 2) A premier service where employers can ask the agency to filter
candidates
> as they simply don't have the time and resources to see everyone.  =
But the
> filtering service would be provided by people like me who actually =
knew
what
> they were talking about and could properly evaluate a candidates
expertise.
>
> I'd be grateful to hear anybody elses opinions on this matter even if =
you
> think I've gone mad! .... which I probably did a while back ;)
>
> Now I have a strange urge to watch Jerry Maguire....
>
> PS: If I actually do this and I end up being like the rest of the =
agency
> fuckwits please someone shoot me and put me out of my misery!



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