Re: [GD-General] Eiffel

[Jesse J. <jes...@mi...>]

At 9:09 AM -0800 12/22/01, Brian Hook wrote:
>At 10:08 AM 12/21/2001 -0500, Thatcher Ulrich wrote:
>>but IMHO the STL stinks as far as usability goes.
>
>THANK you for saying that.  I'm so tired of people going on and on 
>about how great STL is (it's probably the #1 validation of C++ and 
>templates I've seen),

Templates are flawed but great. There might be better options in 
other languages, but for C++ there's just a ton of useful stuff you 
can do with them. In my code I make heavy use of smart pointers 
(exception safety, memory management, COM-style interface ptr 
wrappers, and preferences), the boost callback classes, type-safe 
logging functions, and STL. Note that this is all stuff that is very 
useful to ordinary programmers.

>when in fact IT'S NOT THAT GOOD.  It's convoluted, difficult to 
>debug, has bizarre syntax, takes forever to compile, generates tons 
>of warnings, requires third party implementations for stability. 
>The only reason people dig on it is that they didn't have to write 
>it.
>
>Someone should sift through the STL source code some time then come 
>back and tell me it's GOOD.

The design is more important than the implementation and IMO the 
design is quite good. I've yet to see a really good implementation, 
but CodeWarrior's at least doesn't suck.

   -- Jesse