Re: [GD-Linux] ANSI/ISO C++

[D. S. <st...@id...>]

Matt Davies wrote:
> 
> I would like to use the techniques used in Modern C++ Design and the Loki
> library.  This is however impossible as MSVC (my only current compiler) does
> not support partial template specialisation or template template parameters
> (when are they going to get their act together on this).
> 
> I hoped that perhaps GCC (on Linux) would support templates properly and I
> will try out version 3.0 - thanks.  As for Windows I've tried out Borland
> C++ 5.5 which handles them nicely except I cannot use its debugger with any
> executable that I create.  Could someone let me known how this is done.

g++ 2.96 of redhat supports partial specialization. The 3.x series does.
I don't know if the older 2.91.x supports it or not. Even if older ones
support partial specialization, I'd recommend going newer g++ due to
much better STL support (this is probably due more to packaging than to
the compiler itself, but I'm not sure). IMHO, the template support on
2.96+ is really nice for g++, the only real complaint I know of there is
that lots of templates results in long compile times. I don't know what
LOKI uses, I suggest you just give it a try. As someone else mentioned,
there is no such thing as a fully ANSI/ISO C++ compiler. If you are
going to distribute source code, you probably want what you expect the
end user to compile on; if sending binary code, probably whatever gives
you the best code and most coding quality.

D. Stimits, st...@id...

> 
> I plan to implement my code on Linux when I install it.  I do have the Code
> Fusion compiler which I bought 2 years ago which is GCC with help from
> Intel.  I am hoping that it has decent template support.  But I doubt it.
> Is the free GCC not that efficient at optimising then?
> 
> I would like to take this conversation to SWENG but it seems to be down and
> I haven't heard a peep from it for a few days now.  I am hoping that a few
> on this list subscribe to SWENG so please forgive me when I ask this
> question:
> 
> Has anyone converted the LOKI library to not use partial template
> specialisation so that I can compile it under MSVC?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Matt Davies
> Programmer, Confounding Factor
> ma...@co...
> www.confounding-factor.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Vogel [mailto:vo...@ep...]
> Sent: 11 December 2001 10:03
> To: Matt Davies; gam...@li...
> Subject: RE: [GD-Linux] ANSI/ISO C++
> 
> None of the commercial compilers out there supports the full range of the
> ISO C++ Standard though on either the sweng or algorithm list someone posted
> a list of "research" compilers that claim to be fully compliant.
> 
> gcc 3.0 seems to have okay template support though I can't really tell as we
> hit a regression with gcc >= 2.96. You might try Intel's C++ compiler - it's
> not free for commercial use but I think you can use it for free if you are
> student or something like that. For a personal project it might be worth
> looking up the details as the compiler is $400 otherwise IIRC. If it's for
> real (time==money) use it's worth every penny as it compiles code roughly
> three times faster than gcc :)
> 
> On Windows MSVC is free IIRC as long as you are a student or for non
> commercial use (as above I only vaguely remember the terms) though they only
> provide you with access to a non optimizing version of the compiler. MSVC
> has a nice IDE and debugger so you might want to give that a try.
> 
> BTW, cross platformness and nifty template tricks are usually mutually
> exclusive - at least in my experience. Michael Vance @ TreyArch should be
> able to tell a lot of horror stories ;)
> 
> -- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gam...@li...
> [mailto:gam...@li...]On Behalf Of Matt
> Davies
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:36 AM
> To: gam...@li...
> Subject: [GD-Linux] ANSI/ISO C++
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any free compilers for Linux that supports the full ANSI/ISO C++
> language - which includes template template parameters and partial template
> specialisation.  Does GCC support them yet?  I need a compiler for Windows
> as well.  Borland C++ 5.5 seems to do the job but I've had no luck making it
> work with the Turbo Debugger.  Perhaps someone can provide me with help
> there?
> 
> BTW, does anyone know whats happened to the SWENG mailing list.  I've sent
> some messages out but I haven't received any.  Is it down?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Matt Davies
> Programmer, Confounding Factor
> ma...@co...
> www.confounding-factor.com
> 
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