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RE: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag

[Tom F. <to...@mu...>]

So that's why we got a sudden mad spike in our malloc/free profile (10% CPU
time!). I thought the original coder had gone bonkers and used STL
inappropriately, but in retrospect it was just fine with the old
implementation. *sigh*

Tom Forsyth - Muckyfoot bloke and Microsoft MVP.

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and does not in any way imply existence of the author.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Stewart [mailto:ne...@r0...]
> Sent: 13 June 2003 15:15
> To: gam...@li...
> Subject: Re: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag
> 
[snip]
> Here's one from me:
> 
> For some reason, they have changed the functionality of 
> vector::clear() to
> actually deallocate memory, rather than simply doing 
> erase(begin(), end()),
> which leaves the memory allocated. If, like a lot of people, 
> you are relying
> on the performance characteristics of non-deallocation, you could be
> suffering a serious performance loss from this "small" 
> change. I was more
> than a little bit disgusted when I discovered this. Needless 
> to say, we
> don't use that particular implementation any more.
> 
> - Neil.

RE: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag

[Andrew G. <ag...@cl...>]

> 7) Can we have an option to turn off the task list?

Options/Environment/Project And Solutions.


One thing related to this I'd like, less crap at the end of the build
window. After the last error there seems to be about 10 lines of fluff which
are either blank lines or could be condensed into one line. As it is
there'ss just enough to make any errors scoll up out of sight, annoying.

Andy @
Climax Brighton





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Carter [mailto:be...@gu...]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: Enno Rehling
> Subject: Re: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag
> 
> 
> On Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:44:24 PM, someone wrote:
> 
> > I can add a few cents here, too...
> 
>  ...and a "few" more...
> 
> 1) Various source-control operations cause the Solution Explorer to
> spend several minutes jumping randomly between files in the project
> (apparently opening/closing/saving them or whatever) if you have many
> windows open.
> 
> 2) In fact, can the Solution Explorer jump-to-current-file behaviour
> be turned off? It's occasionally useful, but far more often just
> annoying.
> 
> 3) Editing multiple project properties at once is buggy, as is editing
> multiple configurations - frequently the properties window
> mysteriously looses changes, vanishes altogether, displays "there are
> no properties for the selected item", or, in extreme cases, simply
> crashes VS.net entirely. I've had to edit the .vcproj files by hand a
> couple of times to make changes thanks to this...
> 
> 4) If you do a "get latest" from within Sourcesafe recursively, and
> several .vcproj files are updates, then VS.net only notices the first
> one that's changed, and blindly goes on using the others without
> reloading them.
> 
> 5) "Get latest" from within the IDE is useless because it seems to
> operate on the *current* .vcproj file, not the one in Sourcesafe (or a
> merge of the two), and hence misses newly-added files.
> 
> 6) Custom build step dependencies are crippled - it seems 
> impossible to
> set up a configuration that allows (for example) compiling a vertex
> shader and then "incbin-ing" the resulting bytecode into a header file
> for inclusion in the project in such a way that everything rebuilds
> correctly without resorting to multiple rebuilds and/or abuse of
> "touch" on things.
> 
> 7) Can we have an option to turn off the task list? It's just a
> pointless recap of the information in the build window (usually with
> the important bits missing), and more often than not you spot the
> error in the build window, go to read it and... blam, you're looking
> at the task list instead because the build just aborted.
> 
> 8) An option to suppress the comments dialog when checking out files
> would be good. We never use them, but I've lost track of how many
> checkouts now have comments along the lines of "nt blah=0;" because
> we're all used to just hitting ENTER to clear the "check out now?"
> prompt...
> 
> 9) I haven't tried too hard to make this work so it could just be a
> misplaced setting, but Japanese SJIS text support in the editor is
> broken (it worked in VC6).
> 
> 10) And yes, yet another plea for a one-step "show settings for
> current project and build" button. And, if possible, a convenient
> way to change the "Debug->Command line parameters" setting for the
> current project (in fact, the option to have that as a edit box on the
> toolbar would be best).
> 
>  ...er.. I think I'll stop now ^-^;
> 
> -- 
> Ben Carter - Neko Technologies - be...@gu...
> http://www.neko-tech.com/ - http://www.absoluteterror.com/
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>  But just you and I can find the answer, 
>  and then we can run to the end of the world."
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> 
> 
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Re: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag

[Ben C. <be...@gu...>]

On Friday, June 13, 2003, 7:18:54 PM, someone wrote:

>> 7) Can we have an option to turn off the task list?

> Options/Environment/Project And Solutions.

 Ah ha - thanks!

-- 
Ben Carter - Neko Technologies - be...@gu...
http://www.neko-tech.com/ - http://www.absoluteterror.com/
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"Broken mirror, a million shades of light,
 the old echo fades away. 
 But just you and I can find the answer, 
 and then we can run to the end of the world."
                                - Small of two pieces, Xenogears

RE: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag

[Andrew G. <ag...@cl...>]

Oh, and I'll second the person who mentioned the breaking of project file
compatiblity between versions.

Please stop, there's no good reason for it and in situations where people
are forced to use a certain version (e.g XBox development) it's down right
annoying since everyone else has to follow, or people need to use different
version for different things.
 

Andy @
Climax Brighton





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Grant 
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: 'gam...@li...'
> Subject: RE: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag
> 
> 
> > 7) Can we have an option to turn off the task list?
> 
> Options/Environment/Project And Solutions.
> 
> 
> One thing related to this I'd like, less crap at the end of 
> the build window. After the last error there seems to be 
> about 10 lines of fluff which are either blank lines or could 
> be condensed into one line. As it is there'ss just enough to 
> make any errors scoll up out of sight, annoying.
> 
> Andy @
> Climax Brighton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Carter [mailto:be...@gu...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:12 AM
> > To: Enno Rehling
> > Subject: Re: [GD-Windows] VS.net rants, was Re: VC++ lag
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:44:24 PM, someone wrote:
> > 
> > > I can add a few cents here, too...
> > 
> >  ...and a "few" more...
> > 
> > 1) Various source-control operations cause the Solution Explorer to
> > spend several minutes jumping randomly between files in the project
> > (apparently opening/closing/saving them or whatever) if you 
> have many
> > windows open.
> > 
> > 2) In fact, can the Solution Explorer jump-to-current-file behaviour
> > be turned off? It's occasionally useful, but far more often just
> > annoying.
> > 
> > 3) Editing multiple project properties at once is buggy, as 
> is editing
> > multiple configurations - frequently the properties window
> > mysteriously looses changes, vanishes altogether, displays 
> "there are
> > no properties for the selected item", or, in extreme cases, simply
> > crashes VS.net entirely. I've had to edit the .vcproj files 
> by hand a
> > couple of times to make changes thanks to this...
> > 
> > 4) If you do a "get latest" from within Sourcesafe recursively, and
> > several .vcproj files are updates, then VS.net only notices 
> the first
> > one that's changed, and blindly goes on using the others without
> > reloading them.
> > 
> > 5) "Get latest" from within the IDE is useless because it seems to
> > operate on the *current* .vcproj file, not the one in 
> Sourcesafe (or a
> > merge of the two), and hence misses newly-added files.
> > 
> > 6) Custom build step dependencies are crippled - it seems 
> > impossible to
> > set up a configuration that allows (for example) compiling a vertex
> > shader and then "incbin-ing" the resulting bytecode into a 
> header file
> > for inclusion in the project in such a way that everything rebuilds
> > correctly without resorting to multiple rebuilds and/or abuse of
> > "touch" on things.
> > 
> > 7) Can we have an option to turn off the task list? It's just a
> > pointless recap of the information in the build window (usually with
> > the important bits missing), and more often than not you spot the
> > error in the build window, go to read it and... blam, you're looking
> > at the task list instead because the build just aborted.
> > 
> > 8) An option to suppress the comments dialog when checking out files
> > would be good. We never use them, but I've lost track of how many
> > checkouts now have comments along the lines of "nt blah=0;" because
> > we're all used to just hitting ENTER to clear the "check out now?"
> > prompt...
> > 
> > 9) I haven't tried too hard to make this work so it could just be a
> > misplaced setting, but Japanese SJIS text support in the editor is
> > broken (it worked in VC6).
> > 
> > 10) And yes, yet another plea for a one-step "show settings for
> > current project and build" button. And, if possible, a convenient
> > way to change the "Debug->Command line parameters" setting for the
> > current project (in fact, the option to have that as a edit 
> box on the
> > toolbar would be best).
> > 
> >  ...er.. I think I'll stop now ^-^;
> > 
> > -- 
> > Ben Carter - Neko Technologies - be...@gu...
> > http://www.neko-tech.com/ - http://www.absoluteterror.com/
> > ---------------------------------PGP Key available on request---
> > "Broken mirror, a million shades of light,
> >  the old echo fades away. 
> >  But just you and I can find the answer, 
> >  and then we can run to the end of the world."
> >                                 - Small of two pieces, Xenogears
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[GD-Windows] Another VC problem

[Pierre T. <p.t...@wa...>]

...I am so bored....

It just happened one more time : I was starring at the screen for a good
minute, thinking hard about some design issues, when VC(6) just shut down.
No warning, no message box, one frame later it's just not here anymore. And
of course, all the delicate changes I had been doing in order to improve a
design without breaking everything are gone, it didn't save the files.

I suspect some antivirus running in the background. I thought disabling
Norton's Auto-Protect mode prevented that kind of things to happen.
Apparently, it doesn't. But why now ? Why, why ? Why deciding at 4:50 PM on
a Friday, to attack that big bad virus called VC6 ? And after all, is Norton
really guilty ? (I remember some Flipcode threads about the issue, but who
knows, it might be totally unrelated). Any idea ?

Task Manager exposes a lot of running processes. That makes me feel pretty
unsecure. Would it be "NPROTECT.EXE", ending suspicious processes without
even asking me ?

Note that I'm a newbie on W2K. I've been forced to upgrade some weeks ago
after a nasty virus actually killed my W98. I was otherwise very happy with
it (used it for years, no real issues).

I remember a site somewhere listing common painful programs one can safely
remove from the registry, to improve things, but I can't find it anymore.
Any ideas ? It divided common exes in 3 categories : "must keep", "must
remove" and "as you like" (that's the idea, not the actual names they used).
For example, let me examine the TM...  "System Idle Process" would be "must
keep", and that old "cmesys.exe" would be "must remove". I forgot to clean
my brand new W2K after installing it, that was a mistake.

I'm so bored.

Pierre

Re: [GD-Windows] Another VC problem

[Mickael P. <mpo...@ed...>]

Pierre Terdiman wrote:
> ...I am so bored....
>
> It just happened one more time : I was starring at the screen for a
> good minute, thinking hard about some design issues, when VC(6) just
> shut down. No warning, no message box, one frame later it's just not
> here anymore. And of course, all the delicate changes I had been
> doing in order to improve a design without breaking everything are
> gone, it didn't save the files.
> [...]
> Note that I'm a newbie on W2K. I've been forced to upgrade some weeks
> ago after a nasty virus actually killed my W98. I was otherwise very
> happy with it (used it for years, no real issues).

I assume you installed Service Pack 3 of W2K, and the Service Pack 5 of VSS
?

    Mickael Pointier

Re: [GD-Windows] Another VC problem

[Pierre T. <p.t...@wa...>]

> I assume you installed Service Pack 3 of W2K,

Yes.

> and the Service Pack 5 of VSS

Do you mean of VC ? Then yes.

Re: [GD-Windows] Another VC problem

[Mickael P. <mpo...@ed...>]

Pierre Terdiman wrote:
>> I assume you installed Service Pack 3 of W2K,
>
> Yes.
>
>> and the Service Pack 5 of VSS
>
> Do you mean of VC ? Then yes.

Oups, yes, MSVC, not VSS ;)

Well, then I have absolutely no idea :)

Are you sure your Norton is recent and works fine under W2K ?
I know we've got a hell lot of troubles with the old version of McAffe when
W2K was released, and we had to wait 6 month before having a version that
work fine. Same for firewalls and things like this (close from system I
mean).

Are you using things like VisualAssist, Workspace Whiz, Windows Tabs ?