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RE: [GD-Windows] DirectX Pure Device / HW Vertex Processing Stuff

[Vek <ve...@ho...>]

Thanks for the response.

Dang... its way, WAY above that.  So I guess this is nothing to do
with AGP... I'm going to do it the long way (Rip the renderer out
of my engine, create some test models in MAX (one with lots of tris
but one texture, one with lots of textures but same amount of tris,
one with many submodels one texture, etc) and try to see why its
grinding so badly.  For some reason it drops terribly when I mess
with vertex buffers myself, before throwing it to the vid card...
but it also drops significantly when simply throwing pre-built,
static models (in vertex buffers) directly to the card, using a
vertex shader with no pixel shader.

The real question, I suppose, is what would case a program to go
SLOWER using hardware vertex processing, than if using software?  And
I mean a heck of a lot slower. :(

-Nick Lawson
nl...@ho...

PS. If nobody's seen this kind of thing before and responds, I will
go ahead with the renderer tests and post the results here. (Unless
someone objects of course!)  =)




-----Original Message-----
From: gam...@li...
[mailto:gam...@li...]On Behalf Of
Dirk Ringe
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:21 AM
To: gam...@li...
Subject: RE: [GD-Windows] DirectX Pure Device / HW Vertex Processing
Stuff


Simple stuff. Run benmark from nvidia. If you are below 20mio triangles per
second, then there is an agp config error.

Greets,

 Dirk

-----Original Message-----
From: gam...@li...
[mailto:gam...@li...]On Behalf Of
Vek
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:35 AM
To: gam...@li...
Subject: [GD-Windows] DirectX Pure Device / HW Vertex Processing Stuff


I guess this is the best place to ask this - since DX is windows specific...
and its not really about Algos or such.

I recently got ahold of Geforce3 hardware to test my vertex shaders / pixel
shaders in, on my Game Engine.
To my surprise though, simply flipping the engine into 'hardware vertex
processing mode' cut my framerate to about 50% of what it is in software
vertex processing mode.  This is when dumping raw vertices to the card to
transform and light and render via a vertex shader... using vertex index
buffer and vertex buffers... no pixel shaders involved.

It also drops to 5% of what it is in software vertexprocessing mode if I
additionally mess with those vertexes (Transforming them by my program
manually instead of by a vertex shader).   Are there AGP specifics I'm
missing out on?  Or some situations which I'm not aware of?  I'm setting the
device up almost exactly like the NV demos, etc... except those go at
several hundred frames a second in the same situations.

I would have thought that hardware vertex processing would be the same speed
or faster... not 5% as fast.  500 polygons are enough to bring it to a
crawl.

If I can't mangle this soon, I'll take the renderer code out and place it
into a nice 'clean room' to mess with it, and find out whats going on by
brute force ;) But I was hoping someone out there already ran into this.
-Nick Lawson
ve...@ho...
project: http://members.home.net/vektuz/gw2k

hooray.


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RE: [GD-Windows] DirectX Pure Device / HW Vertex Processing Stuff

[Dirk R. <ri...@ph...>]

Simple stuff. Run benmark from nvidia. If you are below 20mio triangles per
second, then there is an agp config error.

Greets,

 Dirk

-----Original Message-----
From: gam...@li...
[mailto:gam...@li...]On Behalf Of
Vek
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:35 AM
To: gam...@li...
Subject: [GD-Windows] DirectX Pure Device / HW Vertex Processing Stuff


I guess this is the best place to ask this - since DX is windows specific...
and its not really about Algos or such.

I recently got ahold of Geforce3 hardware to test my vertex shaders / pixel
shaders in, on my Game Engine.
To my surprise though, simply flipping the engine into 'hardware vertex
processing mode' cut my framerate to about 50% of what it is in software
vertex processing mode.  This is when dumping raw vertices to the card to
transform and light and render via a vertex shader... using vertex index
buffer and vertex buffers... no pixel shaders involved.

It also drops to 5% of what it is in software vertexprocessing mode if I
additionally mess with those vertexes (Transforming them by my program
manually instead of by a vertex shader).   Are there AGP specifics I'm
missing out on?  Or some situations which I'm not aware of?  I'm setting the
device up almost exactly like the NV demos, etc... except those go at
several hundred frames a second in the same situations.

I would have thought that hardware vertex processing would be the same speed
or faster... not 5% as fast.  500 polygons are enough to bring it to a
crawl.

If I can't mangle this soon, I'll take the renderer code out and place it
into a nice 'clean room' to mess with it, and find out whats going on by
brute force ;) But I was hoping someone out there already ran into this.
-Nick Lawson
ve...@ho...
project: http://members.home.net/vektuz/gw2k

hooray.


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[GD-Windows] DirectX Pure Device / HW Vertex Processing Stuff

[Vek <ve...@ho...>]

I guess this is the best place to ask this - since DX is windows specific...
and its not really about Algos or such.

I recently got ahold of Geforce3 hardware to test my vertex shaders / pixel
shaders in, on my Game Engine.
To my surprise though, simply flipping the engine into 'hardware vertex
processing mode' cut my framerate to about 50% of what it is in software
vertex processing mode.  This is when dumping raw vertices to the card to
transform and light and render via a vertex shader... using vertex index
buffer and vertex buffers... no pixel shaders involved.

It also drops to 5% of what it is in software vertexprocessing mode if I
additionally mess with those vertexes (Transforming them by my program
manually instead of by a vertex shader).   Are there AGP specifics I'm
missing out on?  Or some situations which I'm not aware of?  I'm setting the
device up almost exactly like the NV demos, etc... except those go at
several hundred frames a second in the same situations.

I would have thought that hardware vertex processing would be the same speed
or faster... not 5% as fast.  500 polygons are enough to bring it to a
crawl.

If I can't mangle this soon, I'll take the renderer code out and place it
into a nice 'clean room' to mess with it, and find out whats going on by
brute force ;) But I was hoping someone out there already ran into this.
-Nick Lawson
ve...@ho...
project: http://members.home.net/vektuz/gw2k

hooray.

Re: [GD-Windows] MP3 Playback under Windows

[Aaron H. <Vid...@ho...>]

I highly recommend using either BASS mod player, or FMOD.  They both
have mp3 playback capability, and are generally great APIs to play with.

BASS - http://www.un4seen.com/music/
FMOD - http://www.fmod.org/

Something I found very cool is that FMOD works on CE platforms now too!!
It's not perfect, but definitely getting there.

- Aaron.
Student and games coder

Tom Hubina wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for the way to provide MP3 playback with the minimum system
> requirements. That is, the oldest version of DirectX or Windows Media
> Player, or whatever else it would take.
> 
> What APIs and libraries are required, and does anyone have a link to some
> sample code for doing this?
> 
> Tom
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Re: [GD-Windows] MP3 Playback under Windows

[Niklas H. <ni...@ma...>]

Tom Hubina wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for the way to provide MP3 playback with the minimum system
> requirements. That is, the oldest version of DirectX or Windows Media
> Player, or whatever else it would take.
> 
> What APIs and libraries are required, and does anyone have a link to some
> sample code for doing this?
> 
> Tom
> 
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Have you looked at fmod (www.fmod.org) If I remebers correctly it should
be able to fallback all the way to windows generic sound system. And
shouldn't even require directx. But I haven't looked at that part
closely so I might be completely off too.

/Niklas Hansson

[GD-Windows] MP3 Playback under Windows

[Tom H. <to...@3d...>]

I'm looking for the way to provide MP3 playback with the minimum system 
requirements. That is, the oldest version of DirectX or Windows Media 
Player, or whatever else it would take.

What APIs and libraries are required, and does anyone have a link to some 
sample code for doing this?

Tom