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Re: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: <chr...@pl...> - 2003-02-24 21:56:52

J GHrant wrote:
> [...] The results are very positive: with
> some configuration the same source code can be compiled and the
> resulting binary can run on any MS-Windows computer.

Umm, eh, hmm.. how exactly does this relate to _consoles_?

Christer Ericson
Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica

RE: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: Troy G. <Tr...@cs...> - 2003-02-24 22:09:26

As was mentioned at the top of post, the document was written in furtherance
of a PS2Linux project. Perhaps a second-degree relation to a console (or
third-degree...).

> From: chr...@pl...
> J GHrant wrote:
> > [...] The results are very positive: with
> > some configuration the same source code can be compiled and the
> > resulting binary can run on any MS-Windows computer.
> 
> Umm, eh, hmm.. how exactly does this relate to _consoles_?
> 
> Christer Ericson
> Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica

RE: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: <chr...@pl...> - 2003-02-24 23:50:26

Troy Gilbert wrote:
>As was mentioned at the top of post, the document was written in
furtherance
>of a PS2Linux project. Perhaps a second-degree relation to a console (or
>third-degree...).

No, really. My question stands. How _exactly_ does this relate to, say,
the development of a PS2, GameCube or even a GBA game?

Christer Ericson
Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica

RE: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: Mick W. <mi...@ne...> - 2003-02-25 00:07:58

Since console development is usually cross-platform development (unless
you work somewhere like Sony), then anything related to cross platform
development will be of interest to most console programmers. 

Of coure, you could argue about this.   But nobody cares.

Mick.

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> Troy Gilbert wrote:
> >As was mentioned at the top of post, the document was written in
> furtherance
> >of a PS2Linux project. Perhaps a second-degree relation to a console 
> >(or third-degree...).
> 
> No, really. My question stands. How _exactly_ does this 
> relate to, say, the development of a PS2, GameCube or even a GBA game?
> 
> 
> Christer Ericson
> Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica
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Re: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: J. G. <jg-...@jg...> - 2003-02-25 00:29:04

Hi Christer Ericson,

Appologies, I sent this went to the wrong address.  However, porting to 
PS2Linux was the reason the MS-Windows builds moved to the same dev 
enviroment.


JG



chr...@pl... wrote:
> Troy Gilbert wrote:
>>As was mentioned at the top of post, the document was written in
> furtherance
>>of a PS2Linux project. Perhaps a second-degree relation to a console (or
>>third-degree...).
> 
> No, really. My question stands. How _exactly_ does this relate to, say,
> the development of a PS2, GameCube or even a GBA game?
> 
> 
> Christer Ericson
> Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica

RE: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: <phi...@pl...> - 2003-02-25 00:39:04

Oddly enough, we cross-compile to the PC. Not the most efficient renderer,
but the debugging's easier. The more compilers you run your code through,
the more stuff gets caught automatically.

Cheers,
Phil

PS Since the toolset invariably includes some of the engine code, and
almost certainly doesn't actually run on the console in question, the jab
at Sony, would be more accurately directed at our friends in Redmond
(either of them, I don't care...;)



                                                                                                                                          
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Since console development is usually cross-platform development (unless
you work somewhere like Sony), then anything related to cross platform
development will be of interest to most console programmers.

Of coure, you could argue about this.   But nobody cares.

Mick.

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> Troy Gilbert wrote:
> >As was mentioned at the top of post, the document was written in
> furtherance
> >of a PS2Linux project. Perhaps a second-degree relation to a console
> >(or third-degree...).
>
> No, really. My question stands. How _exactly_ does this
> relate to, say, the development of a PS2, GameCube or even a GBA game?
>
>
> Christer Ericson
> Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica
>
>
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Re: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: J. G. <jg-...@jg...> - 2003-02-25 01:17:46

Hi Phil,

I find that gcc's output fixes many bugs MS VC++ does not see, and a few 
the other way too.

Out of interest do you compile your video games for MS-Windows with the 
same graphics libs as on the console? (Using two sets of game 
libs/renderware or the like?)

Cheers!

JG

phi...@pl... wrote:
> Oddly enough, we cross-compile to the PC. Not the most efficient renderer,
> but the debugging's easier. The more compilers you run your code through,
> the more stuff gets caught automatically.
> 
> Cheers,
> Phil
> 
> PS Since the toolset invariably includes some of the engine code, and
> almost certainly doesn't actually run on the console in question, the jab
> at Sony, would be more accurately directed at our friends in Redmond
> (either of them, I don't care...;)

RE: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: <chr...@pl...> - 2003-02-26 18:28:14

Mick West wrote:
>Since console development is usually cross-platform development (unless
>you work somewhere like Sony), then anything related to cross platform
>development will be of interest to most console programmers.

Well, perhaps I misunderstood, not previously familiar with "Wine",
but I assume it is this product ("Wine - a free Windows implementation
for Linux"):

http://www.winehq.com/

It says:

"Wine is an implementation of the Windows Win32 and Win16 APIs on top of
X and Unix. Think of Wine as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine provides
both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting Windows sources to Unix
and a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows
3.x/95/98/ME/NT/W2K/XP
binaries to run under Intel Unixes. Wine works on most popular Intel
Unixes,
including Linux"

So, I'm still confused and I still think my question is valid. What
*really* is the value of this in terms of *consoles*? Did you actually
bother reading the paper? I couldn't find anything relating to consoles
other than the mentioning of "PS2Linux" in one place. What relevant
text did you see?

Perhaps the original author could clarify?

>Of coure, you could argue about this.   But nobody cares.

If you don't care, don't bother commenting.

Christer Ericson
Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica

Re: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: <chr...@pl...> - 2003-02-26 20:10:49

>Out of interest do you compile your video games for MS-Windows with the
>same graphics libs as on the console? (Using two sets of game
>libs/renderware or the like?)

We don't have a "graphics lib" as such. I.e. there is no graphics API
that the game code works against. The PC rendering -- which is for
debugging, not for speed -- just hooks into the midst of the code
building a DMA of graphics commands for the PS2 and takes the DMA
list, parses it, and uses OpenGL to draw polys.

Not the way to go if you were serious about releasing a PC SKU, but
we're not (obviously).

Debugging C++ code in Visual Studio is, however, so much nicer than
doing it with SN Systems debugger (which is what we're using) that
it's worth making the code run on the PC in addition to on the PS2.


Christer Ericson
Sony Computer Entertainment, Santa Monica

Re: [GD-Consoles] Compiling MS-Windows Builds Under Wine

From: Brian H. <bri...@py...> - 2003-02-26 20:19:04

>Debugging C++ code in Visual Studio is, however, so much nicer=
 than
>doing it with SN Systems debugger (which is what we're using)=
 that
>it's worth making the code run on the PC in addition to on the=
 PS2.

We ran into the same issue with PocketPC.  It is much, much=
 easier to 
develop on the desktop and then abstract so that there is minimal=
 
system specific debugging for the target machine.

Brian