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[Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Aaron I. <ais...@ap...>]

Hi All,

Does anyone know what's going on with Get It Now for the Samsung a670?  They
barely launch any new apps for that phone, yet I know they have apps ready
to go.  Its such a popular phone so it's a shame that new apps aren't being
launched for it in significant numbers (well I guess not for those who
already are on the a670 deck).

Thanks,

-Aaron

Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[David P. <da...@ma...>]

Hi there,

Dunno what going with verizon lately.. No more 9500 submissions, now 15 
devices support required for a launch, aso..
But well, xmas is soon, so maybe it's just a big slacking period..

/David aka kUfa


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Isaksen" <ais...@ap...>
To: <gam...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung 
a670?


> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know what's going on with Get It Now for the Samsung a670? 
> They
> barely launch any new apps for that phone, yet I know they have apps ready
> to go.  Its such a popular phone so it's a shame that new apps aren't 
> being
> launched for it in significant numbers (well I guess not for those who
> already are on the a670 deck).
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Bill K. <bi...@pe...>]

Hey kUfa...  I've enjoyed your posts over on the forums. :)

You wrote:
 > now 15  devices support required for a launch

I'm not the 'business' end of things where I'm at, but I'm definitely 
curious...  Does this mean what I think it means?  (i.e., VZW requires that an 
app/game support 15 devices otherwise they won't release it)

Or am I totally hallucinating something when I read that line? :)

-bill!

RE: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Tom H. <to...@am...>]

> I'm not the 'business' end of things where I'm at, but I'm definitely
> curious...  Does this mean what I think it means?  (i.e., VZW
> requires that an
> app/game support 15 devices otherwise they won't release it)
>
> Or am I totally hallucinating something when I read that line? :)

That's exactly what it means. Sprint requires 9 devices last I checked,
other carriers have similar requirements.

Tom

Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Guido H. <gh...@g3...>]

> I'm not the 'business' end of things where I'm at, but I'm definitely 
> curious...  Does this mean what I think it means?  (i.e., VZW requires 
> that an app/game support 15 devices otherwise they won't release it)

Yes, that is what it means. Verizon over the past months has developed some 
really nasty habits and this is one of them. They will accept applications 
only - among many other criteria - if you can provide it on at least 15 
handsets for launch. They are no longer willing to stagger releases.

Guido 

Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Bill K. <bi...@pe...>]

Guido Henkel wrote:
> They will accept applications only - among many other criteria - if you can
> provide it on at least 15 handsets for launch. They are no longer willing to
 > stagger releases.

That's understandable, I guess.  It still sucks, though, since in some cases, 
certain apps simply /cannot/ run on certain phones, due to OS/OEM bugs.

-bill!

Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Paul J. <pa...@ap...>]

I don't really understand the problem tbh. Surely you want your game running 
on as many handsets as possible ?

I wasn't aware of this hard-coded limit, as I'm a contractor (for now) and 
don't deal directly with Verizon or any other carrier per se. However, my 
answer to the question "How many phones should we support ?" is "Well, how 
many are there ?"

<Caveat>
I think I can make an exception to those 96x54/65 things though, as I class 
them as glorified watches as opposed to gaming platforms! :-D
</Caveat>

PS. Hi guys - I'm new to the list. Anyone here from Infinite or Vindigo ?

Regards,
Paul Johnson.
www.applewoodhouse.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Kendrick" <bi...@pe...>
To: <gam...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for 
Samsung a670?


>
> Hey kUfa...  I've enjoyed your posts over on the forums. :)
>
> You wrote:
> > now 15  devices support required for a launch
>
> I'm not the 'business' end of things where I'm at, but I'm definitely 
> curious...  Does this mean what I think it means?  (i.e., VZW requires 
> that an app/game support 15 devices otherwise they won't release it)
>
> Or am I totally hallucinating something when I read that line? :)
>
> -bill!
>
>
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Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Guido H. <gh...@g3...>]

> don't deal directly with Verizon or any other carrier per se. However, my 
> answer to the question "How many phones should we support ?" is "Well, how 
> many are there ?"

Well, let me put it to you this way. We currently have 43 certified versions 
of "FlipIt!" for the North American market alone. That's how many handsets 
there are...

The reason they have instated this policy is manifold. One of the main 
reasons I've been told is to lower the overhead required to test them all 
internally. Verizon hates to spend money on data apps - they are supposed to 
make money for them not the other way round - and they try every way they 
can to minimize costs in that department, as also indicated by the fact that 
they have virtually no people dealing with all that stuff to begin with. So 
instead of ramping up testing for the same title 10 times, they want to get 
it all done in one swoop.

Guido 

Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Paul J. <pa...@ap...>]

Sounds fair to me tbh. I couldn't imagine doing this one at a time anyways.


Regards,
Paul Johnson.
www.applewoodhouse.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guido Henkel" <gh...@g3...>
To: <gam...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for 
Samsung a670?


>> don't deal directly with Verizon or any other carrier per se. However, my 
>> answer to the question "How many phones should we support ?" is "Well, 
>> how many are there ?"
>
> Well, let me put it to you this way. We currently have 43 certified 
> versions of "FlipIt!" for the North American market alone. That's how many 
> handsets there are...
>
> The reason they have instated this policy is manifold. One of the main 
> reasons I've been told is to lower the overhead required to test them all 
> internally. Verizon hates to spend money on data apps - they are supposed 
> to make money for them not the other way round - and they try every way 
> they can to minimize costs in that department, as also indicated by the 
> fact that they have virtually no people dealing with all that stuff to 
> begin with. So instead of ramping up testing for the same title 10 times, 
> they want to get it all done in one swoop.
>
> Guido
>
>
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Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Guido H. <gh...@g3...>]

Well, there is always a time and cost factor involved. For the past week's 
I've been trying to get the number of handset versions together for the 
launch of my new game, but it just takes forever getting them all through 
NSTL and all, especially if you have some versions failing, like it just 
happened to me. In the meanwhile you have versions sitting around that could 
make money, yet have to wait until the batch is fully tested.

By the time you have 15 versions certified you have footed quite a bill and 
it will take months until you see the first dime out of those apps. So, 
while I see it making sense from VZW's standpoint, of course, it puts quite 
a bit of additional burden on my end that I did not have before. Though I 
can certainly live with that.

Guido 

RE: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Aaron I. <ais...@ap...>]

So why, after they've put so much into testing the Samsung a670 phones,
would they not launch on it?  Seems like a lot of money waiting to be
made...

Re this 15 handset policy, what about porting your previously launched apps
to newer phones?  Are they more lenient on this?  

-Aaron

> money on data apps - they are supposed to make money for them 
> not the other way round - and they try every way they can to 
> minimize costs in that department, as also indicated by the 
> fact that they have virtually no people dealing with all that 
> stuff to begin with. So instead of ramping up testing for the 
> same title 10 times, they want to get it all done in one swoop.

Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Guido H. <gh...@g3...>]

> So why, after they've put so much into testing the Samsung a670 phones,
> would they not launch on it?  Seems like a lot of money waiting to be
> made...

Yeah, don't ask me. I do not pretend to understand Verizon at all... quite 
the opposite, actually. :-)


> Re this 15 handset policy, what about porting your previously launched 
> apps
> to newer phones?  Are they more lenient on this?

I do believe so, but again, they like to see you come over with a bunch of 
handsets at once rather than starting to support them one by one, is my 
feeling. Currently I try to send them in 4 handsets at a time, usually, but 
if need be, I simply submit a single one as well. So far it has worked.

Guido 

RE: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Jon-Eric S. <jsi...@sh...>]

I think VZW might be trying to strong-arm/punish Samsung for something. For
what, I don't know.

-----Original Message-----
From: gam...@li...
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Isaksen
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:26 AM
To: gam...@li...
Subject: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung
a670?

Hi All,

Does anyone know what's going on with Get It Now for the Samsung a670?  They
barely launch any new apps for that phone, yet I know they have apps ready
to go.  Its such a popular phone so it's a shame that new apps aren't being
launched for it in significant numbers (well I guess not for those who
already are on the a670 deck).

Thanks,

-Aaron




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Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[<jh...@lm...>]

I was at the Verizon store two months ago (yes, a geological era) helping my
housemate shop for a phone.  They were pushing the A670 hard, and it's what she
ended up buying (even though I tried to convince her that she'd be better of
with a distinct digital camera).  She got it for something like $89 after the
rebate.

It was one of maybe four Get It Now devices that they had dedicated displays
for, and they said you should buy it if "you like to take pictures".  The thing
that really shocked me was they said you should buy the Nokia 3589i if "you
like playing games".

-JHW

Quoting Aaron Isaksen <ais...@ap...>:

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know what's going on with Get It Now for the Samsung a670?  They
> barely launch any new apps for that phone, yet I know they have apps ready
> to go.  Its such a popular phone so it's a shame that new apps aren't being
> launched for it in significant numbers (well I guess not for those who
> already are on the a670 deck).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Gamedevlists-brew] what's going on with VZW Get It Now for Samsung a670?

[Nick R. <nri...@gm...>]

Re 3589i, perhaps if you like them playing games with you?


On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:27:28 -0800, jh...@lm... <jh...@lm...> wrote:
> 
> I was at the Verizon store two months ago (yes, a geological era) helping my
> housemate shop for a phone.  They were pushing the A670 hard, and it's what she
> ended up buying (even though I tried to convince her that she'd be better of
> with a distinct digital camera).  She got it for something like $89 after the
> rebate.
> 
> It was one of maybe four Get It Now devices that they had dedicated displays
> for, and they said you should buy it if "you like to take pictures".  The thing
> that really shocked me was they said you should buy the Nokia 3589i if "you
> like playing games".
> 
> -JHW
>