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From: Theodore T. <T.T...@ue...> - 2016-06-27 12:48:57
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All, For those of you who may not have seen this on our Facebook or Twitter feeds. If you haven’t please consider following us on one or both — as we intend to retire this email circulation list soon. We are presenting a practical tutorial on computation in game theory at EC '16: http://www.sigecom.org/…/Tutorials/practical-computation.pdf <http://www.sigecom.org/ec16/Tutorials/practical-computation.pdf>. This will run from 9:30-12:00 on Sunday 24 July, in Maastricht. Attendees of GAMES 2016 can participate at no charge. Please pass this on - and if you are interested in attending please contact us so we can estimate numbers. Please DO NOT reply-all to the list if you are interested - contact me personally! TLT — Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics and Deputy Head of School School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue... |
From: Theodore T. <T.T...@ue...> - 2015-06-25 12:01:50
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All, For those of you who don’t follow our Twitter feed (@thegambitproj), Vincent Knight and his group have been working on integrating Gambit into Sage (http://www.sagemath.org <http://www.sagemath.org/>). The latest cool thing is the ability to interact with Gambit online using the SageMathCloud (http://cloud.sagemath.com <http://cloud.sagemath.com/>), so you can use Gambit without having to go through the faff of installing it on your system. Check out a demo at: https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/13024fb1-84dc-432f-8fb3-0311cb775e54/files/Gambit%20in%20Jupyter.html <https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/13024fb1-84dc-432f-8fb3-0311cb775e54/files/Gambit%20in%20Jupyter.html> Ted -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue... |
From: Theodore T. <T.T...@ue...> - 2015-06-16 14:44:01
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Paul, Many thanks as always for taking on these builds. I regret that I rarely boot into Linux anymore — those lovely days as a junior when I had the time and energy to admin a system appear to be behind me now, perhaps for good. I almost exclusively use OS X because I find it easier to manage the scientific stack. I’ve gone soft. The test examples aren’t ringing any bells, although in the documentation each tool does have example output for a game which is included in the source distribution. For my part, the direction of travel has been investing in Python integration instead, for an easier cross-platform experience. Gambit is now available in SAGE (and soon one should be able to launch and use it entirely via a hosted IPython/Jupyter notebook — there are some friends of Gambit working on developing this just now). Ted -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue... On May 28, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Paul Johnson <pau...@ku...> wrote: > Linux packages for Gambit were built yesterday. All of these do > install and I'm able to open the Gambit GUI and create a game. I > compiled with no special arguments, these may not include all of the > features you want. If I got that wrong, email me at pau...@ku.... I'm > willing to do this once again, but only if you ask:). > > The RPM for EL7 systems can be found in the repo described here: > > http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL > > but if you just want the RPM, get them here: > > http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL/7/x86_64/gambit-14.1.0-1EL7.x86_64.rpm > http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL/7/x86_64/gambit-debuginfo-14.1.0-1EL7.x86_64.rpm > > If you are in different flavor of Linux, maybe you rebuild the SRPM instead: > > http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL/7/SRPMS/gambit-14.1.0-1EL7.src.rpm > > I also built packages for Ubuntu/Debian systems. I was uncertain at > first if the stable version of Gambit is 13.1.2 or 14.1.0, and so I made > both. Get the deb files in these directories > > http://pj.freefaculty.org/Ubuntu/14.10/amd64/gambit-13.1.2 > http://pj.freefaculty.org/Ubuntu/14.10/amd64/gambit-14.1.0 > > I am struck once again by how incredibly baroque and cumbersome the > Debian packaging process has become. Its too bad. I did not build an > apt repo, there's no straightforward way to do that. Again, too bad. > > This Gambit compile did not produce any shared libraries, which improves > the chances that one can run them on similar, but not identical, > Linuxes. I'm almost certain these will install & run on Debian or > Ubuntu-based Mint. If not, all of the stuff to rebuild is uploaded in > the same directory. > > This version of Gambit does require the wxWidgets 2.8 or newer. In the > end, I used the newest ones I could get more-or-less easily. I used the > wx from the EPEL repo on the EL7 system. That provided: > > wxGTK-media-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 > wxGTK-gl-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 > wxBase-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 > wxGTK-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 > wxGTK-devel-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 > > It appears to me I may have been conservative there, I did not > intentionally avoid the packages named wxGTK3 on EPEL, I simply took the > first set I understood. If you require RPM based on wxGTK3, I think i > can do it. Just let me know. > > On the Ubuntu system, the wx 3.x is available in the default > repositories. However, there is an allegation of an unpatched bug > (which I've not experienced). Currently, I'm running with these packages: > > libwxgtk3.0-dev_3.0.1-3_amd64.deb > libwxgtk3.0-dev_3.0.2-1.utopic_amd64.deb > wx3.0-headers_3.0.1-3_amd64.deb > wx3.0-headers_3.0.2-1.utopic_amd64.deb > wx-common_3.0.1-3_amd64.deb > libwxgtk3.0-0-unofficial_3.0.2-1.utopic_amd64.deb > > Note the last one is the "unofficial" version, that's an update from the > non-base repo. In my heart, I don't think you really need that, but I > was feeling compulsive and downloaded it from the wx home site. If you > want your Ubuntu to work exactly like mine, you can install this repo > > deb http://repos.codelite.org/wx3.0.2/ubuntu/ utopic universe > > I found that by Mr. Google, same way you would, I expect > (https://www.wxwidgets.org leads you to > https://www.wxwidgets.org/downloads which leads to > http://codelite.org/LiteEditor/WxWidgets30Binaries#toc2). > > For Ted T, I have a question. In the olden days, I recall packging up > the Gambit test programs with this and telling users how to run from the > command line to test the calculations. I can't find any evidence of > that now, however. It would be nice if we could set this up to install > some examples that are supposed to run. Maybe call them templates or > whatnot. They may be in the source code now, but I'm too careless to > find them. What do you think? > > I promised one user I'd demonstrate steps to compile Gambit on EL7. > > I did a "manual compile" as a non-root user that installed into /tmp, > for exploration. The session was in an Emacs shell, here it is, errors > and all: > > http://pj.freefaculty.org/scraps/gambit-build-201505.txt > > I had to install wxWidgets devel support from the EPEL repository. In > case you want to see what the RPM building process does, here is the output > > http://pj.freefaculty.org/scraps/gambit-RPM-build.txt > > > > -- > Paul E. Johnson University of Kansas > Professor Director, Center for Research > Political Science Methods & Data Analysis > http://pj.freefaculty.org http://crmda.ku.edu > pau...@ku... > 1541 Lilac Lane 1425 Jayhawk Blvd. > Blake Hall, Rm. 504 Watson Library, Rm. 470 > Lawrence, Kansas Lawrence, Kansas > 66045-3129 66045-0001 > Ph: (785) 864-3353 |
From: Paul J. <pau...@ku...> - 2015-05-28 15:42:31
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Linux packages for Gambit were built yesterday. All of these do install and I'm able to open the Gambit GUI and create a game. I compiled with no special arguments, these may not include all of the features you want. If I got that wrong, email me at pau...@ku.... I'm willing to do this once again, but only if you ask:). The RPM for EL7 systems can be found in the repo described here: http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL but if you just want the RPM, get them here: http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL/7/x86_64/gambit-14.1.0-1EL7.x86_64.rpm http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL/7/x86_64/gambit-debuginfo-14.1.0-1EL7.x86_64.rpm If you are in different flavor of Linux, maybe you rebuild the SRPM instead: http://pj.freefaculty.org/EL/7/SRPMS/gambit-14.1.0-1EL7.src.rpm I also built packages for Ubuntu/Debian systems. I was uncertain at first if the stable version of Gambit is 13.1.2 or 14.1.0, and so I made both. Get the deb files in these directories http://pj.freefaculty.org/Ubuntu/14.10/amd64/gambit-13.1.2 http://pj.freefaculty.org/Ubuntu/14.10/amd64/gambit-14.1.0 I am struck once again by how incredibly baroque and cumbersome the Debian packaging process has become. Its too bad. I did not build an apt repo, there's no straightforward way to do that. Again, too bad. This Gambit compile did not produce any shared libraries, which improves the chances that one can run them on similar, but not identical, Linuxes. I'm almost certain these will install & run on Debian or Ubuntu-based Mint. If not, all of the stuff to rebuild is uploaded in the same directory. This version of Gambit does require the wxWidgets 2.8 or newer. In the end, I used the newest ones I could get more-or-less easily. I used the wx from the EPEL repo on the EL7 system. That provided: wxGTK-media-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 wxGTK-gl-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 wxBase-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 wxGTK-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 wxGTK-devel-2.8.12-13.el7.x86_64 It appears to me I may have been conservative there, I did not intentionally avoid the packages named wxGTK3 on EPEL, I simply took the first set I understood. If you require RPM based on wxGTK3, I think i can do it. Just let me know. On the Ubuntu system, the wx 3.x is available in the default repositories. However, there is an allegation of an unpatched bug (which I've not experienced). Currently, I'm running with these packages: libwxgtk3.0-dev_3.0.1-3_amd64.deb libwxgtk3.0-dev_3.0.2-1.utopic_amd64.deb wx3.0-headers_3.0.1-3_amd64.deb wx3.0-headers_3.0.2-1.utopic_amd64.deb wx-common_3.0.1-3_amd64.deb libwxgtk3.0-0-unofficial_3.0.2-1.utopic_amd64.deb Note the last one is the "unofficial" version, that's an update from the non-base repo. In my heart, I don't think you really need that, but I was feeling compulsive and downloaded it from the wx home site. If you want your Ubuntu to work exactly like mine, you can install this repo deb http://repos.codelite.org/wx3.0.2/ubuntu/ utopic universe I found that by Mr. Google, same way you would, I expect (https://www.wxwidgets.org leads you to https://www.wxwidgets.org/downloads which leads to http://codelite.org/LiteEditor/WxWidgets30Binaries#toc2). For Ted T, I have a question. In the olden days, I recall packging up the Gambit test programs with this and telling users how to run from the command line to test the calculations. I can't find any evidence of that now, however. It would be nice if we could set this up to install some examples that are supposed to run. Maybe call them templates or whatnot. They may be in the source code now, but I'm too careless to find them. What do you think? I promised one user I'd demonstrate steps to compile Gambit on EL7. I did a "manual compile" as a non-root user that installed into /tmp, for exploration. The session was in an Emacs shell, here it is, errors and all: http://pj.freefaculty.org/scraps/gambit-build-201505.txt I had to install wxWidgets devel support from the EPEL repository. In case you want to see what the RPM building process does, here is the output http://pj.freefaculty.org/scraps/gambit-RPM-build.txt -- Paul E. Johnson University of Kansas Professor Director, Center for Research Political Science Methods & Data Analysis http://pj.freefaculty.org http://crmda.ku.edu pau...@ku... 1541 Lilac Lane 1425 Jayhawk Blvd. Blake Hall, Rm. 504 Watson Library, Rm. 470 Lawrence, Kansas Lawrence, Kansas 66045-3129 66045-0001 Ph: (785) 864-3353 |
From: Paul J. <pau...@ku...> - 2015-05-26 17:02:37
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I made those packages in the past. I'll put it on my list for this week to do again. My head has been completely out of the game on this. Tell me what version you are trying to compile. Your configure statement will give more information, problem is most certainly the VERSIONS required of the support libraries. Not just wxXwidget, but all of the other ones too. I am going to make this for EL7, not Fedora. Is there are current Debian package for Gambit? If so, point me at it. Don't use Alien. There's a disaster in your future with that. pj On 05/25/2015 02:43 PM, C. Andrews Lavarre wrote: > Hello all. I have successfully installed v.14 but the GUI does not compile. > > Linux openSUSE 13.2 64-bit > > John Nash's unfortunate demise this weekend revitalized my earlier interest > in game theory which led to trying to find some software to use to play > with > it. > > It would appear that GAMBIT is the leading (well, the only) such > critter, at > least for Linux. (and unfortunately there is *another "Gambit" program > under a science package that is a genome sequencing program... more > confusion... :-) > > It apparently is not available as an RPM, but as source so > I have successfully compiled and installed it. Except the GUI does not > compile. > > I get no errors or dependency complaints, indeed have the -dev > versions of the wxWidget dependency. > > I *do* get the gambit-XX command line apps in /usr/local/bin, but gambit > itself regardless of the case does not seem to exist. > > I think I can find a .deb file and use Alien to convert to RPM, but if > someone actually knows what they're doing with this and would tell me > what I'm doing wrong that would be better. > > :-) > > Kind regards, Andy -- Paul E. Johnson University of Kansas Professor Director, Center for Research Political Science Methods & Data Analysis http://pj.freefaculty.org http://crmda.ku.edu pau...@ku... 1541 Lilac Lane 1425 Jayhawk Blvd. Blake Hall, Rm. 504 Watson Library, Rm. 470 Lawrence, Kansas Lawrence, Kansas 66045-3129 66045-0001 Ph: (785) 864-3353 |
From: C. A. L. <ala...@gm...> - 2015-05-25 19:43:25
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Hello all. I have successfully installed v.14 but the GUI does not compile. Linux openSUSE 13.2 64-bit John Nash's unfortunate demise this weekend revitalized my earlier interest in game theory which led to trying to find some software to use to play with it. It would appear that GAMBIT is the leading (well, the only) such critter, at least for Linux. (and unfortunately there is *another "Gambit" program under a science package that is a genome sequencing program... more confusion... :-) It apparently is not available as an RPM, but as source so I have successfully compiled and installed it. Except the GUI does not compile. I get no errors or dependency complaints, indeed have the -dev versions of the wxWidget dependency. I *do* get the gambit-XX command line apps in /usr/local/bin, but gambit itself regardless of the case does not seem to exist. I think I can find a .deb file and use Alien to convert to RPM, but if someone actually knows what they're doing with this and would tell me what I'm doing wrong that would be better. :-) Kind regards, Andy |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2014-11-20 17:17:09
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Hello Dimitri, Thank you for your report. As a note, there are a few things one can do to help the bug tracking process along: (1) Use the Gambit issue tracker, rather than this list - as it is much easier to track the relevant data to the issue (and also to avoid filling the inboxes of everyone on the list); (2) Provide a detailed set of instructions to reproduce the issue. In particular, knowing which version of Gambit you’re using, as well as the version of the OS, etc. is quite helpful. As far as your specific issue, I have so far not been able to reproduce it. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a real issue (as obviously you have experienced a crash), but without being able to reproduce it, it’s hard to dig further — there must be some interaction with e.g. an operating system I don’t have access to. If your main question is as to the equilibrium structure of this particular game, I can confirm that the equilibria in this game are comprised of a convex set, with the four extreme points identified by your run of the algorithm: NE,5/14,0,9/14,0,5/14,0,9/14,0 NE,5/14,0,9/14,0,3/38,0,35/38,0 NE,3/38,0,35/38,0,5/14,0,9/14,0 NE,3/38,0,35/38,0,3/38,0,35/38,0 convex-1,3/38,0,35/38,0,3/38,0,35/38,0 convex-1,3/38,0,35/38,0,5/14,0,9/14,0 convex-1,5/14,0,9/14,0,3/38,0,35/38,0 convex-1,5/14,0,9/14,0,5/14,0,9/14,0 TLT -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 — T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:12 PM, dim...@ac...<mailto:dim...@ac...> wrote: Dear Gambit Users, I installed gambit on my windows 7 machine trough the .msi file. I then accessed gambit via the windows command line. I solved my game (4x4 matrix strategic game) via gambit-enummixed, that worked fine and all the equilibria have been calculated. For my purpose I need all nash-equilibria that means I also need the convex sets which make up the set of equilibria. So I tried the switch “-c” to show the convex sets but the command line tool always crashes, I’ve also tried with other games but it didn’t work. Could anyone please help me? Am I doing something wrong? My game is attached to this mail. Thanks in advance and best regards Dimitri ________________________________ Dimitri Steiner People Mobility Service Delivery ASG Accenture AG Fraumünsterstrasse 16 CH-8001 Zürich Telefon +41 44 219 56 01 dim...@ac...<mailto:dim...@ac...> ________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. <q=4.nfg>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk_______________________________________________ Gambit-users mailing list Gam...@li...<mailto:Gam...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambit-users |
From: <dim...@ac...> - 2014-11-17 14:47:25
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Dear Gambit Users, I installed gambit on my windows 7 machine trough the .msi file. I then accessed gambit via the windows command line. I solved my game (4x4 matrix strategic game) via gambit-enummixed, that worked fine and all the equilibria have been calculated. For my purpose I need all nash-equilibria that means I also need the convex sets which make up the set of equilibria. So I tried the switch "-c" to show the convex sets but the command line tool always crashes, I've also tried with other games but it didn't work. Could anyone please help me? Am I doing something wrong? My game is attached to this mail. Thanks in advance and best regards Dimitri ________________________________ Dimitri Steiner People Mobility Service Delivery ASG Accenture AG Fraumünsterstrasse 16 CH-8001 Zürich Telefon +41 44 219 56 01 dim...@ac...<mailto:dim...@ac...> ________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. |
From: CHENG N. <nie...@gm...> - 2014-10-14 16:16:19
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I build and make the Python extension as advised and the import and read game functions in Python work perfectly. But the call to external solvers to get Nash Equilibrium are not working. This is an example in the command line tool documentation and it's supposed to give me a mixed strategy while it gives me an error: In Python command line to call the Python interface to Gambit: >>> import gambit >>> g = gambit.Game.read_game("e02.nfg") >>> solver = gambit.nash.ExternalEnumPureSolver() >>> solver.solve(g) Error: [] Since the Python is actually calling the command line tool as described in the documentation. I tried it in the Mac command line (Terminal): gambit-enumpure < e02.nfg Search for Nash equilibria in pure strategies Gambit version 14.0.3, Copyright (C) 1994-2014, The Gambit Project This is free software, distributed under the GNU GPL Error: There is no information provided after the Error message. Is there any solution for this Error? Best, Cheng |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2014-01-16 15:38:41
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All, There is no limit on the size of data files. However, the time to compute equilibria typically rises quickly (exponentially) in the size of the game. So the question is how patient you want to be. I would expect that it is impractical to solve an arbitrary 100x100 game with gambit-enummixed. Once a game gets to be of a certain size, it becomes essential in practice to have a computational structure that exploits something about the structure of the game. (Or if the game has no such structure, it probably means that solving it is infeasible in practice.) TLT -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:52 PM, "Gupta, Anshul [anshul]" <Ans...@li...<mailto:Ans...@li...>> wrote: Dear Gambit users, Can anyone give some idea on the size of data files that gambit supports on command-line tools. I have tried to compute Nash equilibria for two-players strategic game on data file of size 100x100 (that makes total of 2 x 10000 entries) using gambit-enumpoly and gambit-enummixed command line options. Gambit took around 2 hours to compute NE using gambit-enumpoly and didn’t output any result using gambit-enummixed (for few hours). Is it due to the large data size? Further, is there a way to compute the actual payoff of two players in NE or does the Gambit outputs only equilibrium strategy profiles. Kind regards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk_______________________________________________ Gambit-users mailing list Gam...@li...<mailto:Gam...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambit-users |
From: Gupta, A. [anshul] <Ans...@li...> - 2014-01-15 16:52:57
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Dear Gambit users, Can anyone give some idea on the size of data files that gambit supports on command-line tools. I have tried to compute Nash equilibria for two-players strategic game on data file of size 100x100 (that makes total of 2 x 10000 entries) using gambit-enumpoly and gambit-enummixed command line options. Gambit took around 2 hours to compute NE using gambit-enumpoly and didn't output any result using gambit-enummixed (for few hours). Is it due to the large data size? Further, is there a way to compute the actual payoff of two players in NE or does the Gambit outputs only equilibrium strategy profiles. Kind regards. |
From: Gualdani, C. <c.g...@uc...> - 2013-12-12 09:44:49
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Hi all, I would like to call Gambit from Matlab. Could anyone of you help me by specifying the procedure step by step? Best regards and thanks in advance, Cristina |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2013-12-09 10:49:51
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The file should contain the empirical strategy profile from your experimental data. It should be just one line, with counts of each strategy separated by commas, in the same order as the probabilities are output. That is, if Sij is strategy j for player i, and #Sij is the number of times this strategy was played in the data, then the file would contain, for your 4x4 example game, #S11,#S12,#S13,#S14,#S21,#S22,#S23,#S24 Ted -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 -- T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> On 9 Dec 2013, at 00:14, "Bachrach, William" <wb...@my...<mailto:wb...@my...>> wrote: Hi all, I've been using Gambit to run comparative statics on a signaling game with logit QRE. Now I'm at a stage where I need to compute the log likelihoods of Lambdas to find the actual QRE. However, anything I've tried seems to result in the same output I get without invoking the -L switch. I read the prior question on this topic and have tried to incorporate the answer to no avail. Though I have attempted many variations, the syntax I am using (in windows command prompt) is gambit-logit -L test6.txt < P_case1.txt test6.txt looks like this: 0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5 0.505523,0.494477,0.50524,0.49476,0.498387,0.501613,0.5072,0.4928 0.511536,0.488464,0.511063,0.488937,0.496591,0.503409,0.515111,0.484889 strategy 1 p1, strategy 2 p2, et cetera up to a Lambda value of about 1 mil. I've also tried it with just a few lines in test6. It is essentially the results of running the QRE on P_case1 with the column for lambda removed. If anyone could give me some advice it would be greatly appreciated. Best, Bill <test6.txt><P_case1.txt>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. Download it for free now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=111408631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk_______________________________________________ Gambit-users mailing list Gam...@li...<mailto:Gam...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambit-users |
From: Bachrach, W. <wb...@my...> - 2013-12-09 00:30:59
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0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5 0.505523,0.494477,0.50524,0.49476,0.498387,0.501613,0.5072,0.4928 0.511536,0.488464,0.511063,0.488937,0.496591,0.503409,0.515111,0.484889 0.51807,0.48193,0.517537,0.482463,0.494589,0.505411,0.523795,0.476205 0.525155,0.474845,0.524741,0.475259,0.492354,0.507646,0.533314,0.466686 0.532816,0.467184,0.532759,0.467241,0.489857,0.510143,0.54373,0.45627 0.541076,0.458924,0.54169,0.45831,0.487064,0.512936,0.555104,0.444896 0.54995,0.45005,0.551639,0.448361,0.483933,0.516067,0.567489,0.432511 0.559445,0.440555,0.562724,0.437276,0.48042,0.51958,0.580928,0.419072 0.569555,0.430445,0.57507,0.42493,0.476471,0.523529,0.59545,0.40455 0.580263,0.419737,0.588812,0.411188,0.472027,0.527973,0.611057,0.388943 0.591535,0.408465,0.604084,0.395916,0.46702,0.53298,0.627723,0.372277 0.603321,0.396679,0.621018,0.378982,0.46137,0.53863,0.64538,0.35462 0.61556,0.38444,0.639731,0.360269,0.454991,0.545009,0.66391,0.33609 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1,"4.5571e-131",1,"2.05881e-183","1.00829e-067",1,1,"4.56774e-129" 1,"4.34243e-144",1,"1.1573e-201","2.04512e-074",1,1,"6.89676e-142" 1,"2.06387e-158",1,"9.73321e-222","8.88306e-082",1,1,"5.43855e-156" 1,"3.62515e-174",1,"8.04542e-244","7.08257e-090",1,1,"1.66727e-171" 1,"1.69213e-191",1,"4.1169e-268","8.74949e-099",1,1,"1.43608e-188" 1,"1.46034e-210",1,"7.84322e-295","1.3898e-108",1,1,"2.43147e-207" 1,"1.56341e-231",1,0,"2.31218e-119",1,1,"5.46299e-228" 1,"1.33862e-254",1,0,"3.21511e-131",1,1,"1.05717e-250" 1,"5.65585e-280",1,0,"2.91533e-144",1,1,"1.0953e-275" 1,"6.93303e-308",1,0,"1.31198e-158",1,1,"3.60132e-303" 1,0,1,0,"2.17017e-174",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,"9.48234e-192",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,"7.60991e-211",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,"7.52124e-232",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,"5.89781e-255",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,"2.26221e-280",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,"2.49321e-308",1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0 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From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2013-12-05 13:47:39
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What do you mean by "never recognised"? What exception is being raised? At first glance, it looks like what you're missing is import gambit.nash TLT -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 -- T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> On 5 Dec 2013, at 13:23, Patrick Zwickl <pat...@gm...<mailto:pat...@gm...>> wrote: Hi, I tried to use the python interface to call a specific solver (in order to have more control): e.g., import gambit solver = gambit.nash.ExternalIteratedPolymatrixSolver() However, gambit.nash is never recognised, though other things like g = gambit.new_table([2,2]) work fine. (Even when freshly downloaded & compiled) So, I guess the command line tools are still not found. So, I thought putting all in the $PATH could do the trick using .profile. Is there any obvious step I am missing? Or is there a detailed installation guide for the command line tools? Thanks a lot – any comment highly appreciated, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK Develop, test and display web and hybrid apps with a single code base. Download it for free now! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=111408631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ Gambit-users mailing list Gam...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambit-users |
From: Patrick Z. <pat...@gm...> - 2013-12-05 13:23:37
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Hi, I tried to use the python interface to call a specific solver (in order to have more control): e.g., import gambit solver = gambit.nash.ExternalIteratedPolymatrixSolver() However, gambit.nash is never recognised, though other things like g = gambit.new_table([2,2]) work fine. (Even when freshly downloaded & compiled) So, I guess the command line tools are still not found. So, I thought putting all in the $PATH could do the trick using .profile. Is there any obvious step I am missing? Or is there a detailed installation guide for the command line tools? Thanks a lot – any comment highly appreciated, Patrick |
From: Manolo M. <ma...@au...> - 2013-10-04 06:22:43
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On 10/03/13 at 10:38pm, Gupta, Anshul [anshul] wrote: > Many thanks for the response. However, I tried to run Gambit on the command line but it always prints 'gambit: command not found'. > I have checked that the installation is done properly. > > Can you please advise how to run gambit on the command line. May be the answer is quite obvious but I am missing some link. > You should check the documentation at the Gambit webpage: http://www.gambit-project.org/doc/tools.html You probably want 'gambit-lcp' which, if I'm not wrong, calls the same algorithm that the GUI recommends (at least in the kinds of games that I use). Then you would take yourgame.efg and run it thus (in a POSIX shell; if you are using Windows, I don't know) cat yourgame.efg | gambit-lcp I think that the latest version of gambit also allows gambit-lcp yourgame.efg If you want to time it, in a POSIX shell you'd do something like time gambit-lcp yourgame.efg If you want to time the execution of many different games then you are better off using python to talk to gambit: http://www.gambit-project.org/doc/pyapi.html and then perhaps use python's timeit. Manolo |
From: Gupta, A. [anshul] <Ans...@li...> - 2013-10-03 22:38:14
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Hi, Many thanks for the response. However, I tried to run Gambit on the command line but it always prints 'gambit: command not found'. I have checked that the installation is done properly. Can you please advise how to run gambit on the command line. May be the answer is quite obvious but I am missing some link. Kind Regards. ________________________________ From: Gupta, Anshul [anshul] Sent: 30 September 2013 12:53 To: gam...@li... Subject: how to measure execution time in Gambit Dear Gambit users, I am having problem to find out time required by Gambit to compute Nash equilibrium while using Gambit GUI. Can anyone please suggest how to compute the execution time required by Gambit to find Nash equilibrium in strategic games. Also, please suggest can we use Gambit in an external script (C script, Java Script or Python script) to compute the equilibrium. Thanks for your advise. Kind Regards. |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2013-09-30 11:57:25
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The short answer to both is to use the command-line tools. All the graphical interface does is calls these in the background. For using Gambit in an external script, you use the Python bindings - although for many applications it may be simpler to call the command-line tools. TLT -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:53 PM, "Gupta, Anshul [anshul]" <Ans...@li...<mailto:Ans...@li...>> wrote: Dear Gambit users, I am having problem to find out time required by Gambit to compute Nash equilibrium while using Gambit GUI. Can anyone please suggest how to compute the execution time required by Gambit to find Nash equilibrium in strategic games. Also, please suggest can we use Gambit in an external script (C script, Java Script or Python script) to compute the equilibrium. Thanks for your advise. Kind Regards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60133471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk_______________________________________________ Gambit-users mailing list Gam...@li...<mailto:Gam...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambit-users |
From: Gupta, A. [anshul] <Ans...@li...> - 2013-09-30 11:53:23
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Dear Gambit users, I am having problem to find out time required by Gambit to compute Nash equilibrium while using Gambit GUI. Can anyone please suggest how to compute the execution time required by Gambit to find Nash equilibrium in strategic games. Also, please suggest can we use Gambit in an external script (C script, Java Script or Python script) to compute the equilibrium. Thanks for your advise. Kind Regards. |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2013-07-29 10:29:03
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All, I am preparing to roll Gambit 13.1.0 within the next week or two, which will be the stable baseline version for this academic year. Therefore, this is the "last call" for any fixes or (very minor) feature requests to make it into the stable version. Given the timeframes, any such requests will necessarily have to be minor improvements or fixes. The Gambit 13.1.x series is designed to be "suitable for instructional/classroom use" - within the series, we will refrain from making any interface or API changes except where absolutely necessary to fix bugs. Shortly after Gambit 13.1.0 is released, there will be a Gambit 14.0.0 (research) version, which will be where new developments are made available. Gambit 14.0.x will eventually be the basis for next year's stable/instructional version. Ted -- Prof Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science Professor of Economics School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ England +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> |
From: Faith He <ima...@ho...> - 2013-04-03 08:28:27
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Good Morning; I am interested in the integration of Gambit in java. I want to run Gambit directly in java to retrieve nash equilibrium in pure strategies for n player . I found nothing on the net about it, could you tell me how I can do that, I need the answer. I will be grateful if you could help me. Best Regards |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2012-12-05 06:56:41
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All, On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Manolo Martínez <ma...@au...<mailto:ma...@au...>> wrote: On 12/04/12 at 07:43am, Theodore Turocy (ECO) wrote: You forgot the command-line redirection: gambit-lcp -S < prueba.efg There you go. Sorry for being obtuse, and for the noise. Wouldn't it be useful to have gambit complain when stdin is empty? The current behaviour is somewhat misleading -- although admittedly only if you haven't payed attention to the documentation! In your example, stdin isn't empty. It's only "empty" once an EOF is read; otherwise, it's waiting for input. I've just opened up a new issue on the tracker: https://github.com/gambitproject/gambit/issues/48 which suggests modifying the behaviour of the command-line tools such that a filename of a file containing a game can be specified on the command-line, to make the tools behave more like, for example, grep(1). TLT -- Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ England +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> |
From: Manolo M. <ma...@au...> - 2012-12-04 16:24:28
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On 12/04/12 at 07:43am, Theodore Turocy (ECO) wrote: > You forgot the command-line redirection: > > gambit-lcp -S < prueba.efg > There you go. Sorry for being obtuse, and for the noise. Wouldn't it be useful to have gambit complain when stdin is empty? The current behaviour is somewhat misleading -- although admittedly only if you haven't payed attention to the documentation! Thanks, Manolo |
From: Theodore T. (ECO) <T.T...@ue...> - 2012-12-04 07:59:17
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But gambit-lcp -S prueba.efg just computes for minutes without any result. You forgot the command-line redirection: gambit-lcp -S < prueba.efg TLT -- Dr Theodore L Turocy Director, Centre for Behavioural and Experimental Social Science School of Economics University of East Anglia Norwich Research Park Norwich NR4 7TJ England +44 (0) 1603 597179 | T.T...@ue...<mailto:T.T...@ue...> On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Manolo Martínez <ma...@au...<mailto:ma...@au...>> wrote: Dear Gambit users, I have problems replicating the behaviour of Gambit GUI with the command-line tools. For example, when I feed the attached game (prueba.efg) to the GUI, and ask it to compute "as many Nash eq. as possible", it almost immediately comes up with one and subsequently stops. It claims to have obtained it "by solving a linear complementarity program in extensive game". Shouldn't these two operations be equivalent? For completion, I've tried all other methods offered by the command-line version of gambit, and none has been able to find a Nash. It's entirely possible that I'm missing something obvious, though. Thanks for any advice. Cheers, Manolo -- <prueba.efg>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d_______________________________________________ Gambit-users mailing list Gam...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambit-users |