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From: Dimitry P. <dpo...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 17:50:47
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Hallo, from now we can use this list for all project internal discussions. The list is configured as follows: 1. Everyone can subscribe. Every new subscriber has "moderation" flag set. 2. Only members with moderation flag not set are allowed to post, the others get following message if they try to post: "Only FreeMind developers may post here. The others should use forums instead." 3. Currently only following members are allowed to post: dan...@gm... chr...@gm... dpo...@gm... Er...@la... fre...@zo... sv...@us... This list can be edited using the mailman administrator interface. 4. The "Replay to" filed is set to the list. 5. The "From" Field is set to the author of the posting and is not hidden. I am currently registered as a list owner. The list owner password can however be reset using administrator interface of the project. If you want to change the settings let me know. Best Regards Dimitri |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 19:27:20
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Hi Dimitri, thank you. I have received your email and, upon pressing reply, I indeed am replying to the list. Best regards, Dan On 2/4/07, Dimitry Polivaev <dpo...@gm...> wrote: > > Hallo, > > from now we can use this list for all project internal discussions. > The list is configured as follows: > > 1. Everyone can subscribe. Every new subscriber has "moderation" flag set. > 2. Only members with moderation flag not set are allowed to post, the > others get following message if they try to post: > > "Only FreeMind developers may post here. The others should use forums > instead." > > 3. Currently only following members are allowed to post: > > dan...@gm... > chr...@gm... > dpo...@gm... > Er...@la... > fre...@zo... > sv...@us... > > This list can be edited using the mailman administrator interface. > > 4. The "Replay to" filed is set to the list. > 5. The "From" Field is set to the author of the posting and is not hidden. > > I am currently registered as a list owner. The list owner password can > however be reset using administrator interface of the project. If you > want to change the settings let me know. > > Best Regards > Dimitri > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier. > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Freemind-developer mailing list > Fre...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer > |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 21:03:07
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Hi All, the list seems to work very well. Dan: how can I send the beta version to you prior to publishing? Yours, Chris |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-05 19:05:56
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Hi Chris, I see you have already found a way. Best regards, Dan On 2/4/07, Christian Foltin (GMX) <chr...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > the list seems to work very well. > Dan: how can I send the beta version to you prior to publishing? > > Yours, Chris > |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-10 23:57:05
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Hi Dan, did you spent some time on the beta? Can I publish it officially?? Yours, Chris |
From: Dimitry P. <dpo...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 09:57:48
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Hi Chris, I have found a critical bug and have fixed it last Friday. The pre-beta version should be rebuild. Dimitry Christian Foltin (GMX) schrieb: > Hi Dan, > > did you spent some time on the beta? Can I publish it officially?? > > Yours, Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Freemind-developer mailing list > Fre...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer > > |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 10:56:20
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Hi Chris, please do not publish the beta officially yet. I am working on feedback to it; I would like to see some changes. One change that I would like to see requires me to do a lot of work, which is why I have not answered yet. I am working on it. The change is to have window icon in several sizes so that it looks good both in 16x16 and 32x32. That probably requires a change of code; I am now trying to find out how to change the code to achieve this. Dan On 2/11/07, Christian Foltin (GMX) <chr...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > did you spent some time on the beta? Can I publish it officially?? > > Yours, Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier. > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Freemind-developer mailing list > Fre...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer > |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 14:18:34
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Chris, that is right. I am indeed looking only at the logo design; not at the features and their underlying code. Dan |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-04 22:08:50
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Dear Dan, I've put the light bulb version (only for the icons and that stuff) under /home/groups/f/fr/freemind/htdocs/testversions_private/freemind-bin-max-0.9.0_Beta_9.zip where you can easily access it via http://freemind.sourceforge.net/testversions_private/ Best regards, Chris PS: The file is there in 12 minutes... |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 12:39:00
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Hi Dimitri, yes, the 0.9.0beta9 to publish needs not to be binary identical to the version provided to Dan. He's only looking on the logo design, AFAIK. Thus, I will update and rebuild the version that will be published. Chris |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 20:30:42
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Dear Dan, your changes are nice, but as long as the final logotype is not clear, I don't want to invest much time in making the splash screens nicer. Moreover, as both splash screens are drawn in the same way, the improvements on the splash don't have to do with the question of what logotype to take. The translation issue can be realized although I like the "translate me" string more, as many people ask: how to translate. With the '*', we don't get questions, but comments that our application mixes the native language with english. Any comments of the others? My proposal would be to put both freemind-document.ico to the web site, so that everybody can view them and to release the (recompiled) beta as it is. Best regards, Chris |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 21:23:41
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Hello Chris, your changes are nice, but as long as the final logotype is not clear, I > don't want to invest > much time in making the splash screens nicer. The appeal of the logotype including the splash screen is crucial to the acceptance of the splash screen by the users. If you do not want to change the splash yourself, I can do it myself and send you the code, so you will have very little work with it. What do you think of that? Moreover, as both splash > screens are drawn in the same > way, the improvements on the splash don't have to do with the question > of what logotype to take. I think the progress bar of the new splash should better be as high quality as the splash itself. And as I will send you the code, you will have to invest close to nothing. The translation issue can be realized although I like the "translate me" > string more, as many people ask: > how to translate. With the '*', we don't get questions, but comments > that our application mixes the > native language with english. Any comments of the others? If the string is customizable with "[translate me]" as default, everyone can decide as he sees fit at least. I can imagine that at the time of release some translations will be incomplete. As a user of such a translation, I would prefer it to the English one, with the strings that are not translated appearing in English. But English strings with "translate me" attached make using even almost complete translation rather inconvenient. Does that solve your problem? My proposal would be to put both freemind-document.ico to the web site, > so that everybody can > view them and to release the (recompiled) beta as it is. What does it cost you to add the freemind-document.icon to the beta? That is very little work. What harm does it do? Best regards, Dan |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-11 22:05:10
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Dear Dan, I'm looking forward to receive your changes to the current implementations. Please keep in mind, that I currently exchange the Splash-Class implementation between light bulb and butterfly, so your changes should only change the two splash implementations to enable an easy integration on my side. Translations: what do the others think? A customizable string is too much for this kind of thing. We decide the apperance and that will do it. I can live with '*', although it is not so visible. ico: this changes the packaging. You can provide a patch to the build.xml. I want, that no handwork must be performed to switch between the versions apart from commenting in/out the property line <!-- if set, the light bulb changes are performed. --> <property name="light_bulb" value="" /> in build.xml. Regards, Chris |
From: Eric L. - F. <fre...@zo...> - 2007-02-12 17:39:54
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Hi, Christian Foltin (GMX) said: [...] > > Translations: what do the others think? A customizable string is too > much for this kind of thing. We decide > the apperance and that will do it. I can live with '*', although it is > not so visible. > I think that missing translations are to be considered as bugs, to be resolved during the RC phase by the translators; making the missing strings as visible as possible is therefore important to not miss anything. Perhaps a string smaller than [translate me] but longer than * could make it? e.g. NOTRANS or *MISSED* or *BAD* or *%#@* or something like this. Cheers, Eric -- Eric de France, d'Allemagne et de Navarre |
From: Dimitry P. <dpo...@gm...> - 2007-02-12 19:10:37
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Hi, > Translations: what do the others think? A customizable string is too > much for this kind of thing. We decide > the apperance and that will do it. I have never had difficulties with "[translate me]". If we can make sure that all translations happens before the release I would not change it. But if you think on somebody not speaking English at all, it could be better, if the "[translate me]" would be translated in the local language itself( e.g. [Übersetzen]). I can also imagine that "[translate me]" as suffix is replaced by prefix consisting of some question marks like "??? Edit". Dimitri |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-14 20:43:46
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Hi Dimitri, the problem with the attribute api is that it is too big and not like to others: * too big: your interface in MindMapNode is: NodeAttributeTableModel getAttributes(); but a table model contains a lot of methods (like setTableWidth) which have nothing to do with the interface here but with the layout of the table. This is bad. Better would be an interface like: /** * @return an unmodifiable list of all attribute keys as String. * There can be double entries. */ List getAttributeKeyList(); /** * @return the amount of attributes. */ int getAttributeTableLength(); /** * @param pPosition the null based position. * @return a copy of the node's attribute. */ Attribute getAttribute(int pPosition); boolean isAttributeExisting(String key); /** * Sets the attribute to the given value. */ void setAttribute(int pPosition, Attribute pAttribute); which I started to implement. Moreover, normally all change methods are contained in MindMapActions and those are undoable. In your case, you introduced a new controller AttributeController with strange methods like setcolumnwidth (again layout!). A normal programmer would search the change methods in MindMapActions and will be upset. I started to introduce some methods: void setAttribute(MindMapNode node, int pPosition, Attribute pAttribute); Let's make the interface clearer. Best regards, Chris |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-12 20:56:25
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Dear Dan, as your changes might take some time, I would suggest to publish the 0.9.0beta9 with the butterfly only (to solve the issues with java6 and others), and we publish 0.9.0beta10 after your changes will be present. ok? Chris |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-13 08:26:14
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Hello Chris, I agree with publishing 0.9.0 beta9 with butterfly icon and no light bulb icon; that is a good idea. Best regards, Dan |
From: Christian F. (GMX) <chr...@gm...> - 2007-02-24 19:09:00
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Dear Dan, for me, this all is not so critical. I'll release soon and drop a note. I would suppose to write the following mail to the forum: Dear FreeMinders, we are about to decide, if we want to choose another icon for FreeMind. In the wiki [...], you can see both: the current butterfly and the light buld. We would like you to drop a note about which icon to choose in the discussion forum under [...]. Moreover, the new beta contains the following changes: ... Yours, Chris |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-25 09:06:16
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Hello Chris, so if the wording of the note is not so critical and important to you, and given it is important to me, I would rather propose something as follows. Dear FreeMind users, we are planning to switch to a new logotype graphics in the coming release, from the existing butterfly design to a new one featuring light bulb on a turquoise background. Before committing ourselves to the new design, we would like to know your opinion on the new design. Please let us know how you like the new design and whether you would be severely disappointed if this new design is the one released in the coming version. To let us know, please write to the following forum thread: ... To try out the new design for yourself, please download FreeMind 0.9.0 beta9 from ... To see both designs in comparison, see the wikipage ... The beta release contains the following other features: ... What do you think of this proposal? Best regards, Dan On 2/24/07, Christian Foltin (GMX) <chr...@gm...> wrote: > > Dear Dan, > > for me, this all is not so critical. I'll release soon and drop a note. > I would suppose to write the following mail to the forum: > > Dear FreeMinders, > > we are about to decide, if we want to choose another icon for FreeMind. > In the wiki [...], > you can see both: the current butterfly and the light buld. > We would like you to drop a note about which icon to choose in the > discussion forum under [...]. > > Moreover, the new beta contains the following changes: > ... > > > Yours, Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Freemind-developer mailing list > Fre...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer > |
From: Eric@Lavar.de - 2007-02-25 11:30:34
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Hi, I would more suggest something along "by downloading the one or the other version, you vote which version you prefer". The sentence "Please let us know how you like the new design and whether you would be severely disappointed if this new design is the one released in the coming version" is very much biaised in your sense, but it's OK for me ;-) Instead of "To let us know, please write to the following forum thread", I understand that each news creates its own "forum", why not ask the users to answer there? Cheers, Eric Dan Polansky said: > Hello Chris, > > so if the wording of the note is not so critical and important to you, and > given it is important to me, I would rather propose something as follows. > > Dear FreeMind users, > > we are planning to switch to a new logotype graphics in the coming > release, > from the existing butterfly design to a new one featuring light bulb on a > turquoise background. Before committing ourselves to the new design, we > would like to know your opinion on the new design. Please let us know how > you like the new design and whether you would be severely disappointed if > this new design is the one released in the coming version. To let us know, > please write to the following forum thread: > ... > To try out the new design for yourself, please download FreeMind 0.9.0 > beta9 > from ... > To see both designs in comparison, see the wikipage ... > > The beta release contains the following other features: > ... > > What do you think of this proposal? > > Best regards, > Dan > > > On 2/24/07, Christian Foltin (GMX) <chr...@gm...> wrote: >> >> Dear Dan, >> >> for me, this all is not so critical. I'll release soon and drop a note. >> I would suppose to write the following mail to the forum: >> >> Dear FreeMinders, >> >> we are about to decide, if we want to choose another icon for FreeMind. >> In the wiki [...], >> you can see both: the current butterfly and the light buld. >> We would like you to drop a note about which icon to choose in the >> discussion forum under [...]. >> >> Moreover, the new beta contains the following changes: >> ... >> >> >> Yours, Chris >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share >> your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> _______________________________________________ >> Freemind-developer mailing list >> Fre...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV_______________________________________________ > Freemind-developer mailing list > Fre...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer > -- Eric de France, d'Allemagne et de Navarre |
From: Dimitry P. <dpo...@gm...> - 2007-02-25 12:00:03
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Hi Eric, > I would more suggest something along "by downloading the one or the other > version, you vote which version you prefer". I think that downloading and trying a new version could be better than just comparison of the variants inside of the wiki page. > Instead of "To let us know, please write to the following forum thread", I > understand that each news creates its own "forum", why not ask the users > to answer there? What do you mean? There is generally no connection between the News in wiki (which are just specially formatted paragraphs at the firts page), project news in the SourceForge page and the forum threads. Dimitry |
From: Eric L. - F. <fre...@zo...> - 2007-02-25 12:48:36
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Hi, Dimitry Polivaev said: > Hi Eric, > >> I would more suggest something along "by downloading the one or the >> other >> version, you vote which version you prefer". > > I think that downloading and trying a new version could be better than > just comparison of the variants inside of the wiki page. I think, both is required: Wiki to compare, and download to vote. But, to be honest, I'm not sure I understood your comment. > >> Instead of "To let us know, please write to the following forum thread", >> I >> understand that each news creates its own "forum", why not ask the users >> to answer there? > > What do you mean? There is generally no connection between the News in > wiki (which are just specially formatted paragraphs at the firts page), > project news in the SourceForge page and the forum threads. Wiki: true. But check the project news: each news is like a mini forum. Eric > > Dimitry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Freemind-developer mailing list > Fre...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freemind-developer > -- Eric de France, d'Allemagne et de Navarre |
From: Dimitry P. <dpo...@gm...> - 2007-02-25 14:12:36
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Hi, >> I think that downloading and trying a new version could be better than >> just comparison of the variants inside of the wiki page. > I think, both is required: Wiki to compare, and download to vote. But, to > be honest, I'm not sure I understood your comment. I am not sure if pictures in wiki are enough to compare the styles. I think that only downloading and using of the new version gives a right impression. And I am not sure, whether using of the downloads counters can give us a right result: people are likely to download the both versions in order to compare them. So I would prefer the way described by Dan. On the other side I know that we have already agreed to publish the both versions as 0.9.0 beta 9 and to use the download counters as a vote sign. I think that Chris should decide how he acts. In the last case the text written by Dan does not fit well, because it should warn against downloading the version twice by the same person. Dimitry |
From: Dan P. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-25 17:22:19
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Hi Eric and Dimitri, it is true that my proposal is biased toward the option of releasing the light bulb logotype in 0.9.0. Releasing light bulb design in 0.9.0 is what I originally requested in our negotiation, but AFAIK I have in the end agreed with a weaker option in which we get us feedback from users by publishing the new design already in beta. AFAIK we have agreed to get first some impression without voting system, and then come to a further specific agreement on voting system based on the first impression. So again, as far as I remember voting should not have been included while we get the first impression of what the user reaction is going to be. Best regards, Dan |