Re: [Freemarker-devel] Profiling

[Jonathan R. <jre...@te...>]

On Friday 19 July 2002 05:25 am, Attila Szegedi wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@fr...>
> To: "Jonathan Revusky" <fre...@li...>
> Sent: 2002. július 18. 20:29
> Subject: Re: [Freemarker-devel] Profiling
>
> > > (Meanwhile Geir and the rest of the Velocity people can be hard at work
> > > making their loggers and resource managers a little bit more
>
> pluggable... ;-))
>
> > :) Aren't we too evil sometimes? We can't if the topic is Geir, right?
> >
> > ;)
>
> Trust me, you can be too evil to Geir Magnusson Jr. Having a healthy
> professional rivalry between projects is one thing (Jon's remark falls into
> this category). 

Well, that we're rivals is both true and not true. For example, I do not 
believe that there is currently any genuine rivalry with the Velocity project 
on technical grounds.

Velocity is simply not competitive with FreeMarker any more. Six months ago, 
one could make a fair-minded assessment and say the two products were roughly 
comparable, with one being better in some ways and the other being better in 
other ways. But now the gap is really quite huge and is only going to widen 
further.

Now, that's on technical grounds. In terms of "developer mind-share" we are 
definitely rivals and Velocity has a huge built-in advantage, due to being 
under the whole apache umbrella. You see, it's easier for people in companies 
and orgnizations to advocate using Velocity because the apache connection 
gives it a sort of "respectability". Also, I think that a lot of typical lazy 
corporate IT people (oops, that's a lapse, I know I shouldn't say that) just 
sort of use the jakarta stuff as a "one-stop-shop" for open source java 
libraries and would use Velocity by default and not even evaluate FreeMarker.

So, given the way the contest is structure, FreeMarker has to be a lot better 
than Velocity to win overall.

> Making remarks targeted on someone's person on a public
> list is another (rather unprofessional) thing - regardless of who you are
> targeting.
>
> Of course, in this particular case I'm certainly biased since I consider
> Geir to be a friend of mine. I found Jon's remark funny, but I find yours
> not. Also, I'm glad to see that Jon learned to shape its own feelings
> toward Geir into humor. :-)

Well, there's that famous line from Shakespeare: "Many a truth is spoke in 
jest." :-) 

Ciao,

Jonathan



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