Re: [Foxgui-users] Wayland for GUI

[Roland H. <ro...@lo...>]

On 7/18/2023 12:02 PM, Enno Rehling wrote:
> I can't speak for Joeron, but if I were in his shoes, my thinking 
> qould go like this:
>
> I wouldn't expect it to mean much for Fox. X11 still works pretty much 
> everywhere that Wayland exists, via XWayland, so support for Wayland 
> does not broaden the range of machines that a Fox application will run 
> on, it only adds complexity and support overhead with another backend.

This is incorrect. The XWayland interface only supports a subset of EGL 
and other X11 features/functionality. It is slowly being purged. In the 
embedded systems world, at least for NXP hardware and firmware, it is 
almost completely gone and slated to be gone in another 1 or 2 releases. 
There you are forced to run in Docker containers with one Wayland/Westin 
container serving up the screen for all other containers.

Massive problem with Wayland (at least using X11 tools) is that you have 
zero control when it comes to screen positioning. The Wayland compositor 
puts the window/widget up wherever it feels like. For touchscreen 
embedded systems this forces you to run a single full screen app so you 
can control the positions of things. Previously every brick on a screen 
could be its own application so you didn't have single point of failure 
for entire system. Now you have single point of failure.

>
> And no, you can't drop X11 and replace it with Wayland. X11 is still 
> the only way to get a Fox application to run on macOS, and nobody 
> wants to add native Mac Cocoa support for the same reason: mo' 
> backends, mo' problems.
>
> Enno.
>
> On 17-Jul-23 17:01, John Selverian wrote:
>> I just heard about this:
>>
>> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/ <https://wayland.freedesktop.org/>
>>
>> what does this mean for Fox?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> js
>>
>>
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