From: Pete M. <AC...@da...> - 2010-01-29 06:48:03
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I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this cash to go towards: * Maintaining servers online and similar Is that mechanism in place ? Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and branded package, eg local Secondary School? Pete |
From: Erik H. <er...@eh...> - 2010-01-29 08:21:02
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Pete Morgan wrote: > I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. > > My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this > cash to go towards: > * Maintaining servers online and similar > > Is that mechanism in place ? > > Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? > > Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and > branded package, eg local Secondary School? Please tell me you're not affiliated with FlightPro sim.. Erik |
From: James S. <fli...@go...> - 2010-01-29 09:04:39
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On 29/01/10 21:20, Erik Hofman wrote: > Pete Morgan wrote: > >> I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. >> > Please tell me you're not affiliated with FlightPro sim.. > Seems to me, that Pete has asked a reasonable question, why shoot back such an unpleasant accusation? Pete has been documenting bugs and misfeatures here on the list recently, seeming like he is doing some fairly thorough testing of things. While perhaps Pete doesn't always report them in the most, shall we say, tactful manner, I'm sure that this is a useful development contribution. I've also noted in some of his posts that Pete has been working to fix bugs, for example tuning the autopilot. In comparison, the only thing FlightProSim has ever done for FlightGear is download, recompile and rip off everybody's screenshots to sell it. In short, I think that Pete is nothing like FlightProSim. And if Pete wants to make some money by adding value to FlightGear for a specific use, more power to him, he's certainly not the only one on this list who would be using FlightGear in the course of their job. Especially since in doing so he is obviously keen to improve FlightGear itself and not just silently stand on the backs of all the rest of the developers. |
From: Erik H. <er...@eh...> - 2010-01-29 09:30:10
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James Sleeman wrote: > On 29/01/10 21:20, Erik Hofman wrote: >> Pete Morgan wrote: >> >>> I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. >>> >> Please tell me you're not affiliated with FlightPro sim.. >> > > Seems to me, that Pete has asked a reasonable question, why shoot back > such an unpleasant accusation? > > Pete has been documenting bugs and misfeatures here on the list > recently, seeming like he is doing some fairly thorough testing of things. > > While perhaps Pete doesn't always report them in the most, shall we say, > tactful manner, I'm sure that this is a useful development contribution. So if he is rude and offensive to developers I highly appreciate (like the coder of the GUI) I do have to be very polite? Neh; what comes around goes around and if he can't take that he should react differently himself. Erik |
From: Rob / E. <fli...@ev...> - 2010-01-29 09:39:07
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L.S. I would like to contribute financially too, no millions but any bit helps i guess. I found and used the paypal donation button already on the tracker website (http://fgfs.i-net.hu). And I kind of expected to find one on the flightgear website too to be honest. (so i clicked some ad instead :) ) but that does not contribute too much. :) I don't know what is on the list of items for the FG project to buy or where there are a lot of costs. But such a project is bound to have costs somewhere. Is there a chance FG will have a paypal button on the the site soon too? That would be great imho, Kind Regards Rob On 01/29/2010 07:47 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: > I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. > > My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this > cash to go towards: > * Maintaining servers online and similar > > Is that mechanism in place ? > > Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? > > Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and > branded package, eg local Secondary School? > > Pete > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > |
From: Reagan T. <tho...@gm...> - 2010-01-29 14:54:27
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Rob / EViLSLuT wrote: > L.S. > > I would like to contribute financially too, no millions but any bit > helps i guess. I found and used the paypal donation button already on > the tracker website (http://fgfs.i-net.hu). And I kind of expected to > find one on the flightgear website too to be honest. (so i clicked some > ad instead :) ) but that does not contribute too much. :) > > I don't know what is on the list of items for the FG project to buy or > where there are a lot of costs. But such a project is bound to have > costs somewhere. Is there a chance FG will have a paypal button on the > the site soon too? That would be great imho, > > Kind Regards > Rob > > On 01/29/2010 07:47 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: > >> I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. >> >> My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this >> cash to go towards: >> * Maintaining servers online and similar >> >> Is that mechanism in place ? >> >> Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? >> >> Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and >> branded package, eg local Secondary School? >> >> Pete >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation >> Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business >> Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts >> Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightgear-devel mailing list >> Fli...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > Rob, There *is* a "PayPal button" at FlightGear.org: http://www.flightgear.org/dvd/ Perhaps Curt will explain if there is another means of directly contributing funds. FlightGear is definitely worthy of support. I vow that if I win the lottery, I will make a very significant financial contribution. /Maybe I should actually buy a lottery ticket some time ;) |
From: Curtis O. <cur...@gm...> - 2010-01-29 15:24:39
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Reagan Thomas wrote: > There *is* a "PayPal button" at FlightGear.org: > > http://www.flightgear.org/dvd/ > > Perhaps Curt will explain if there is another means of directly > contributing funds. > > FlightGear is definitely worthy of support. I vow that if I win the > lottery, I will make a very significant financial contribution. > Here are a couple thoughts. 1. Don't buy lottery tickets ... send the money you would have spent to a worthy charity. Then the money benefits people in real need rather than some lottery organization, probably run by the gov't. If someone out there doesn't agree, take a statistics class (and pay attention.) :-) 2. No one has stepped forward and offered to invest the time and expertise for setting up a true non-profit. I personally do not have the knowledge or experience, nor do I have the time to maintain such an organization, keep records, file taxes, etc. etc. I don't know how much of a time commitment this would be, but for someone who knows nothing about it I think it would be a lot of time just to get up to speed, and when you are dealing with people's money, paying taxes, etc. you don't want to make rookie mistakes. 3. I don't feel comfortable setting up a "donate to FlightGear" paypal button, but having it go straight to my personal paypal address. It would make more sense to have some separation, but when money is flowing, there are tax implications not to mention accountability to the FlightGear group. That is why I think if we do this, we should do it under some sort of "official" organizational umbrella like a true non-profit. 4. If someone has a substantial chunk of money they would consider donating to the project, then feel free to contact me. Maybe we can work something out ... like purchase some particular developer's time to achieve some key feature that would be hard to achieve with small slices of volunteer time. Or maybe fund a trip for several developers to a conference or show to promote the FlightGear project. But here I would prefer to act as some sort of broker (I don't know if that's the right word) but have the money go straight from source to destination without flowing through my hands. 5. This leaves a gap for all of those who might be willing to donate small slivers of money ($10?) to FlightGear. We don't have a structure or mechanism to handle that. This doesn't get mentioned very often though. What would we expect to pull in through a donation box? Who would oversee that money and that process and how it is spent? A person or organization would need to report income on their taxes, write off expenses on their taxes, track everything carefully, etc. etc. ... no small task. If a donation box pulls in $50-$100 a year ... that's something, but how hard do you work to create a system to support that. If we would anticipate pulling in $250,000 a year, then that's a different story ... but honestly, I think we'd be closer to $100 year ... and if someone had a bigger chunk to donate, then it might be better to discuss that as a special case. These are all just thoughts, it's not necessarily the end of the story ... but it's one thing to say "here's something we should do" versus thinking through all the steps to make that happen. There could be a ton of volunteer time and effort that would have to go in behind the scenes to support and manage all of this. Should we setup a non-profit? Maybe -- but the right person with the right experience in the area needs to come along and be willing to put in the requisite amount of time and effort ... and be willing to commit time and effort going forward year to year. In the context of a volunteer project, anything involving money has to be handled with *extreme* care and thought and wisdom or it will blow up in all our faces. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ |
From: Dale J. C. <da...@ch...> - 2010-01-29 15:32:31
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Curtis Olson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Reagan Thomas wrote: > > There *is* a "PayPal button" at FlightGear.org: > > http://www.flightgear.org/dvd/ > > Perhaps Curt will explain if there is another means of directly > contributing funds. > > FlightGear is definitely worthy of support. I vow that if I win the > lottery, I will make a very significant financial contribution. > > > Here are a couple thoughts. > > 1. Don't buy lottery tickets ... send the money you would have spent > to a worthy charity. Then the money benefits people in real need > rather than some lottery organization, probably run by the gov't. If > someone out there doesn't agree, take a statistics class (and pay > attention.) :-) The only thing you overlook in your equation is the tax revenue that would have to be made up. Those who pay the lottery lower our taxes. Ben Franklin said "The only fair form of taxation is the lottery, you can decide whether to pay or not." > > 2. No one has stepped forward and offered to invest the time and > expertise for setting up a true non-profit. I personally do not have > the knowledge or experience, nor do I have the time to maintain such > an organization, keep records, file taxes, etc. etc. I don't know how > much of a time commitment this would be, but for someone who knows > nothing about it I think it would be a lot of time just to get up to > speed, and when you are dealing with people's money, paying taxes, > etc. you don't want to make rookie mistakes. A non profit must be formed to perform some service deemed useful to the community. The only benefit of a non-profit versus a not for profit is that those who contribute can write off the donation on their taxes. Other than that from the receiver's point of view, no difference between a non-profit and just not making a profit. > > 3. I don't feel comfortable setting up a "donate to FlightGear" paypal > button, but having it go straight to my personal paypal address. It > would make more sense to have some separation, but when money is > flowing, there are tax implications not to mention accountability to > the FlightGear group. That is why I think if we do this, we should do > it under some sort of "official" organizational umbrella like a true > non-profit. See the above. There are two choices for where to send the money. A corporation or an individual. A corporation protects the individual who would otherwise be receiving the money. It does little for the person making the donation other than perhaps giving some dubious sense of security. > > 4. If someone has a substantial chunk of money they would consider > donating to the project, then feel free to contact me. Maybe we can > work something out ... like purchase some particular developer's time > to achieve some key feature that would be hard to achieve with small > slices of volunteer time. Or maybe fund a trip for several developers > to a conference or show to promote the FlightGear project. But here I > would prefer to act as some sort of broker (I don't know if that's the > right word) but have the money go straight from source to destination > without flowing through my hands. > > 5. This leaves a gap for all of those who might be willing to donate > small slivers of money ($10?) to FlightGear. We don't have a structure > or mechanism to handle that. This doesn't get mentioned very often > though. What would we expect to pull in through a donation box? Who > would oversee that money and that process and how it is spent? A > person or organization would need to report income on their taxes, > write off expenses on their taxes, track everything carefully, etc. > etc. ... no small task. If a donation box pulls in $50-$100 a year ... > that's something, but how hard do you work to create a system to > support that. If we would anticipate pulling in $250,000 a year, then > that's a different story ... but honestly, I think we'd be closer to > $100 year ... and if someone had a bigger chunk to donate, then it > might be better to discuss that as a special case. What do you hope to gain? > > These are all just thoughts, it's not necessarily the end of the story > ... but it's one thing to say "here's something we should do" versus > thinking through all the steps to make that happen. There could be a > ton of volunteer time and effort that would have to go in behind the > scenes to support and manage all of this. Should we setup a > non-profit? Maybe -- but the right person with the right experience in > the area needs to come along and be willing to put in the requisite > amount of time and effort ... and be willing to commit time and effort > going forward year to year. In the context of a volunteer project, > anything involving money has to be handled with *extreme* care and > thought and wisdom or it will blow up in all our faces. > > Regards, > > Curt. > -- > Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ > <http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” – Ben Franklin |
From: Pete M. <AC...@da...> - 2010-03-21 16:41:39
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Curtis Olson wrote: > > 2. No one has stepped forward and offered to invest the time and > expertise for setting up a true non-profit. I personally do not have > the knowledge or experience, nor do I have the time to maintain such > an organization, keep records, file taxes, etc. etc. I don't know how > much of a time commitment this would be, but for someone who knows > nothing about it I think it would be a lot of time just to get up to > speed, and when you are dealing with people's money, paying taxes, > etc. you don't want to make rookie mistakes. > Just had an email from PJ (Groklaw). It seems that http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ could possible help. --------------- 1. Free Software Foundation Europe has a program to help you set up a trust. It's called the Freedom Task Force: http://www.fsfe.org/projects/ftf/index.en.html <http://www.fsfe.org/projects/ftf/index.en.html>; 2. Software Freedom Law Center can help with that too or with a corporate setup. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ <http://www.softwarefreedom.org/> -------------- pete snip >> Non-profit Corporate Assistance SFLC helps FOSS projects develop and maintain legal status to help ensure their longevity. SFLC assists its clients with all stages of corporate existence, including formation and tax exemption, and helps projects with their contracts and governance. SFLC established and continues to serve as counsel to the Software Freedom Conservancy <http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/>, which provides an alternative to independent corporate formation for FOSS projects. SFLC directly represents many of the most significant existing FOSS conservancies, and provides formation assistance for new projects seeking to create similar conservancies. SFLC is also able to represent its clients in negotiations in a variety of situations. << |
From: Olivier J. <oli...@fr...> - 2010-01-29 15:56:58
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Well you have : http://www.cafepress.com/+bbq_apron,2594039 http://www.cafepress.com/+flightgear_logo_white_tshirt,1609093 http://www.cafepress.com/+flightgear+mousepads http://www.cafepress.com/+flightgear_logo_mousepad,1609111 Lol. Don't know how the money is redistributed, though. Cheers, Olivier ----- Mail Original ----- De: "Rob / EViLSLuT" <fli...@ev...> À: fli...@li... Envoyé: Vendredi 29 Janvier 2010 10h21:05 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Money and Contributions L.S. I would like to contribute financially too, no millions but any bit helps i guess. I found and used the paypal donation button already on the tracker website (http://fgfs.i-net.hu). And I kind of expected to find one on the flightgear website too to be honest. (so i clicked some ad instead :) ) but that does not contribute too much. :) I don't know what is on the list of items for the FG project to buy or where there are a lot of costs. But such a project is bound to have costs somewhere. Is there a chance FG will have a paypal button on the the site soon too? That would be great imho, Kind Regards Rob On 01/29/2010 07:47 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: > I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. > > My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this > cash to go towards: > * Maintaining servers online and similar > > Is that mechanism in place ? > > Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? > > Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and > branded package, eg local Secondary School? > > Pete > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Fli...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel |
From: Curtis O. <cur...@gm...> - 2010-01-29 16:02:49
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There is also: http://www.cafepress.com/fgfs Everything at this particular page is sold "at cost" so there is zero profit and zero distribution. Torsten's wife did the logo and it came out extremely cool. I wear my flightgear t-shirt ever day despite the protests of my kids and my wife (who threatens to cut it off my back when I'm sleeping so she can wash it.) Curt. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Olivier JACQ wrote: > Well you have : > > http://www.cafepress.com/+bbq_apron,2594039 > http://www.cafepress.com/+flightgear_logo_white_tshirt,1609093 > http://www.cafepress.com/+flightgear+mousepads > http://www.cafepress.com/+flightgear_logo_mousepad,1609111 > > Lol. > > Don't know how the money is redistributed, though. > > Cheers, > > Olivier > > ----- Mail Original ----- > De: "Rob / EViLSLuT" <fli...@ev...> > À: fli...@li... > Envoyé: Vendredi 29 Janvier 2010 10h21:05 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / > Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne > Objet: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Money and Contributions > > L.S. > > I would like to contribute financially too, no millions but any bit > helps i guess. I found and used the paypal donation button already on > the tracker website (http://fgfs.i-net.hu). And I kind of expected to > find one on the flightgear website too to be honest. (so i clicked some > ad instead :) ) but that does not contribute too much. :) > > I don't know what is on the list of items for the FG project to buy or > where there are a lot of costs. But such a project is bound to have > costs somewhere. Is there a chance FG will have a paypal button on the > the site soon too? That would be great imho, > > Kind Regards > Rob > > On 01/29/2010 07:47 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: > > I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. > > > > My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this > > cash to go towards: > > * Maintaining servers online and similar > > > > Is that mechanism in place ? > > > > Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? > > > > Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and > > branded package, eg local Secondary School? > > > > Pete > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the > business > > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call > away. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > > _______________________________________________ > > Flightgear-devel mailing list > > Fli...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the > business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the > business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ |
From: Torsten D. <To...@t3...> - 2010-01-30 09:39:41
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> There is also: > > http://www.cafepress.com/fgfs > > Everything at this particular page is sold "at cost" so there is zero > profit and zero distribution. Torsten's wife did the logo and it came out > extremely cool. I wear my flightgear t-shirt ever day despite the > protests of my kids and my wife (who threatens to cut it off my back when > I'm sleeping so she can wash it.) > > Curt. The shirt seems to have some kind of antibacterial impregnation that develops over time. I found out, that the itching stops magically after 3 weeks of constant wearing. Torsten |
From: Rob / E. <fli...@ev...> - 2010-01-29 15:39:05
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On 01/29/2010 03:32 PM, Reagan Thomas wrote: > Rob / EViLSLuT wrote: > >> L.S. >> >> I would like to contribute financially too, no millions but any bit >> helps i guess. I found and used the paypal donation button already on >> the tracker website (http://fgfs.i-net.hu). And I kind of expected to >> find one on the flightgear website too to be honest. (so i clicked some >> ad instead :) ) but that does not contribute too much. :) >> >> I don't know what is on the list of items for the FG project to buy or >> where there are a lot of costs. But such a project is bound to have >> costs somewhere. Is there a chance FG will have a paypal button on the >> the site soon too? That would be great imho, >> >> Kind Regards >> Rob >> >> On 01/29/2010 07:47 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: >> >> >>> I would gladly make a contribution to FlightGear. >>> >>> My small contrib would be around £10 per quarter and I would expect this >>> cash to go towards: >>> * Maintaining servers online and similar >>> >>> Is that mechanism in place ? >>> >>> Is FlightGear.com TradeMark in place? >>> >>> Is there a way I can take FlightGear and create my own Value added and >>> branded package, eg local Secondary School? >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation >>> Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business >>> Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts >>> Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Flightgear-devel mailing list >>> Fli...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation >> Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business >> Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts >> Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Flightgear-devel mailing list >> Fli...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel >> >> >> > Rob, > > There *is* a "PayPal button" at FlightGear.org: > > http://www.flightgear.org/dvd/ > > Perhaps Curt will explain if there is another means of directly > contributing funds. > > FlightGear is definitely worthy of support. I vow that if I win the > lottery, I will make a very significant financial contribution. > > /Maybe I should actually buy a lottery ticket some time ;) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > Hi Reagan, Thanks i didnt see that page, but afaics that's to purchase dvds. I dont want that, i just want to give money! I'm fortunate enough to have very fast internet. :) Would be cool if Curt could add the donation button (paypal page: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donate-intro-outside ) , where people can set the amounts themselves and perhaps tell if they want their money to go to a charity, flightgear funds or if they don't care so much where it goes( as long as the taxman doesnt get it.) Perhaps takes a minute or 10 to setup properly, but as soon as its up there will be a donation. :) hehe i also plan to win the lottery, but never seem to buy a ticket for it :) plan for 2010, participate in the lottery at least once :) Kind Regards Rob |
From: syd a. <ada...@gm...> - 2010-01-29 20:18:16
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Where does the donation money go ? To who ? And for what ?I dont like donating money when I have no idea what Im donating to. This is just another idea since I dont know how one would set this up ... How about an FSWeekend fund to help out the crew that puts in a good amount of work , time , and probably money out of thier own pockets do do this event. I would certainly donate something to that , if I knew what it was going to , and my reward is the stories , pictures and videos of the event . Maybe with the total to date displayed somewhere so that we could dig a little deeper as the event draws near. :) Cheers |
From: Martin S. <Mar...@mg...> - 2010-01-30 10:00:59
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syd adams wrote: > Where does the donation money go ? To who ? And for what ?I dont like > donating money when I have no idea what Im donating to. Now the discussion starts to get interesting, since Curt is not the only person who's spending money in order to promote FlightGear. Several individuals (not being Curt) usually have been spending up to hundreds of Euros from their very private pockets for buying equipment, paying insurance and the like, just for the sake of presenting FlightGear on a public show (travel and acommodation is not counted in, and the loss of income while staying at the show isn't either ....). This is the reason why things start getting _really_ complicated when money comes into play and is going to flow just into one single direction. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
From: Pete M. <AC...@da...> - 2010-01-30 10:05:24
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I would expect my "donation" to go to infrastructure costs, eg wiki Hosting which often complains about limit exceeded. pete Martin Spott wrote: > syd adams wrote: > > >> Where does the donation money go ? To who ? And for what ?I dont like >> donating money when I have no idea what Im donating to. >> > > Now the discussion starts to get interesting, since Curt is not the > only person who's spending money in order to promote FlightGear. > > Several individuals (not being Curt) usually have been spending up to > hundreds of Euros from their very private pockets for buying equipment, > paying insurance and the like, just for the sake of presenting > FlightGear on a public show (travel and acommodation is not counted in, > and the loss of income while staying at the show isn't either ....). > > This is the reason why things start getting _really_ complicated when > money comes into play and is going to flow just into one single > direction. > > Cheers, > Martin. > |
From: Torsten D. <To...@t3...> - 2010-01-30 09:35:25
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> Where does the donation money go ? To who ? And for what ?I dont like > donating money when I have no idea what Im donating to. > > This is just another idea since I dont know how one would set this up ... > How about an FSWeekend fund to help out the crew that puts in a good > amount of work , time , and probably money out of thier own pockets do do > this event. > I would certainly donate something to that , if I knew what it was going to > , and my reward is the stories , pictures and videos of the event . > Maybe with the total to date displayed somewhere so that we could dig a > little deeper as the event draws near. :) > Cheers > Actually, the FSWeekend/LinuxTag crew thought about founding a non profit (called "gemeinnütziger Verein" in Germany) last year, but didn't pursue that idea any further. Although the booth comes at no cost, there is usually a good amount of money that has to be spent by the participants. Not only accomodation and travel, but insurance for equipment was once an issue. Last year, we bought six (IIRC) big side screen displays. Donations from a few of us made that possible. We might pick up our idea once again and the next LinuxTag in Berlin (June, 9th - 12th) might be a good place to actually found the organization, given that enough people support that idea. Torsten |
From: Olivier J. <oli...@fr...> - 2010-01-30 09:49:05
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In France we call this "Association Loi 1901." I think we have this in nearly all country. The only problem is to make it world-wide! Cheers, Olivier >Actually, the FSWeekend/LinuxTag crew thought about founding a non profit >(called "gemeinnütziger Verein" in Germany) last year, but didn't pursue that >idea any further. |
From: Durk T. <d.t...@xs...> - 2010-01-31 11:40:41
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Hi, On Saturday 30 January 2010 10:35:13 am Torsten Dreyer wrote: > > Where does the donation money go ? To who ? And for what ?I dont like > > donating money when I have no idea what Im donating to. > > > > This is just another idea since I dont know how one would set this up > > ... How about an FSWeekend fund to help out the crew that puts in a good > > amount of work , time , and probably money out of thier own pockets do do > > this event. > > I would certainly donate something to that , if I knew what it was going > > to , and my reward is the stories , pictures and videos of the event . > > Maybe with the total to date displayed somewhere so that we could dig a > > little deeper as the event draws near. :) > > Cheers > > Actually, the FSWeekend/LinuxTag crew thought about founding a non profit > (called "gemeinnütziger Verein" in Germany) last year, but didn't pursue > that idea any further. I remember being involved in the discussions. I've also been thinking about the possibilities of setting up a non-profit organization for the support of various aspects of FlightGear. Under dutch law, a non-profit organization ("stichting" in Dutch or "foundation" in English (I gues)) is tax exempt (as in most countries I guess). What I was thinking about was setting up a foundation that serves as a granting agency: I collecting money though donation / memberships, etc etc. Individuals who wish to organize something on behalf of FlightGear could then write a proposal that will be used by the foundation to distribute the funds. As far as I can see, this is the most transparent way in going about these issues. The main drawbacks, however, are that it requires quite a bit of Bureacratic overhead that I'm not sure I'm willing to handle, and that the international nature of FlightGear complicates things. Nevertheless, it's an idea worth pursuing. > Although the booth comes at no cost, there is usually a good amount of > money that has to be spent by the participants. Not only accomodation and > travel, but insurance for equipment was once an issue. Last year, we bought > six (IIRC) big side screen displays. Donations from a few of us made that > possible. > For FSWeekend, we've managed to organize everything at a reasonably low cost so far. Every year, I'm investing a little bit, but I've been trying to keep an eye toward general usability. During the last event, my main investment consisted of a very nice projector screen, (in addition to a triple screen linux box, which I had already ordered for the previous show, but which didn't arrive in time; and two printed banners). The screen actually has an interesting history, because we ended up not being able to take it back to my place. So eventually Torsten took it home, and he liked it so much that it eventually changed ownership... :-) I certainly wouldn't object against donations for FSWeekend, but part of the fun is to try to get everything organized with minimal cost. Cheers, Durk |
From: Stefan S. <ni...@de...> - 2010-01-31 11:54:27
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On Sunday 31 January 2010 12:40:54 Durk Talsma wrote: > I remember being involved in the discussions. I've also been thinking about > the possibilities of setting up a non-profit organization for the support > of various aspects of FlightGear. I wonder if some existing organization may fit that role already. Maybe as an example the Free Software Foundation could handle those things. They work for free software, are arguably trustworthy, have branches all over the world and loads of experience in such matter. I don't know if they would help, if we want to trust them and if it's at all possible, but it may at least be worth a thought or two. Stefan |
From: Victhor F. <vic...@gm...> - 2010-01-31 11:57:29
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I don't trust the FSF. I don't think Mr. Stallman is a nice person. (I hear all the time he doesn't take baths :P) > On Sunday 31 January 2010 12:40:54 Durk Talsma wrote: > >> I remember being involved in the discussions. I've also been thinking about >> the possibilities of setting up a non-profit organization for the support >> of various aspects of FlightGear. > > I wonder if some existing organization may fit that role already. Maybe as an > example the Free Software Foundation could handle those things. They work for > free software, are arguably trustworthy, have branches all over the world and > loads of experience in such matter. I don't know if they would help, if we > want to trust them and if it's at all possible, but it may at least be worth a > thought or two. > > Stefan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel |
From: Dale J. C. <da...@ch...> - 2010-01-31 13:29:50
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Not sure why you don't trust the FSF. It has changed a lot since the beginnings and Mr. Stallman's views very clearly do not drive it. I had a run-in with Mr. Stall in 1986. I had called because I couldn't believe that I was required to dump anything I wrote in gnu C under his license. We argued for a while after which he threatened to sue for copyright breach if I didn't comply. The law allowed him to collect double damages, which would have been the price of C/C++ at the time or zero bucks. The license is very different now and basically allows you to keep anything you write with it. It was that change in the GPL to which I believe he can attribute the success of FSF. You're right, he's not a very nice person, but the FSF is bound as much by the GPL as we are. Victhor Foster wrote: > I don't trust the FSF. I don't think Mr. Stallman is a nice person. > (I hear all the time he doesn't take baths :P) > > -- “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” – Ben Franklin |
From: Lech K. P. <ik...@sz...> - 2010-01-31 15:07:00
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On 1/31/10 12:57 PM, Victhor Foster wrote: > I don't trust the FSF. I don't think Mr. Stallman is a nice person. How about SPI? http://www.spi-inc.org/ Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek <ike> "You will never see me fall from grace" [KoRn] |
From: Victhor F. <vic...@gm...> - 2010-01-31 16:38:32
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Oh I was just kidding. > On 1/31/10 12:57 PM, Victhor Foster wrote: >> I don't trust the FSF. I don't think Mr. Stallman is a nice person. > > How about SPI? > > http://www.spi-inc.org/ > > Kind regards, > > -- > Lech Karol Pawłaszek <ike> > "You will never see me fall from grace" [KoRn] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com_______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel |
From: Martin S. <Mar...@mg...> - 2010-01-30 10:16:06
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Pete Morgan wrote: > I would expect my "donation" to go to infrastructure costs, eg wiki > Hosting which often complains about limit exceeded. Then, in order to keep the profile low, I'd propose you to talk directly to the respective maintainers - or at least those who made the decision to host the sites at the respective places, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |