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From: Martin S. <Mar...@mg...> - 2007-01-08 17:09:30
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Torsten Dreyer wrote: > Martin is a skilled skylane pilot, maybe he has some nice cockpit photos to > share? Not yet, I'm still waiting for the moment to come to have some flights on the D-EVOS. I guess it's a C182Q, equipped with an uncharged O-470 at 230 HP. Yet I have approx. three dozends hours on the Skyhawk, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Martin S. <Mar...@mg...> - 2007-01-08 17:13:32
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Martin Spott wrote: > Not yet, I'm still waiting for the moment to come to have some flights > on the D-EVOS. I guess it's a C182Q, equipped with an uncharged O-470 > at 230 HP. Yup: http://www.texelairport.nl/index.html?fotogroot/devos.htm&2 Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: John D. <sf...@av...> - 2007-01-09 23:32:29
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Hi -- Here's something that really grabbed my attention: Apparently there is no "flag" to indicate the usability of the glideslope needle. Apparently if there is no valid glideslope indication being presented, the needle just goes to the center and stays there. I observed this both on the hsi.xml instrument and the nav1.xml instrument. In a real aircraft: -- In the sort of instrument represented by nav1.xml, in the invalid state the GS needle goes to the center but (!) there is a flag to indicated invalidity. If you don't check the flag, you die. -- In the sort of instrument represented by hsi.xml, in the invalid state the GS needle goes to the top of the cage, representing an off-scale fly-up indication *and* a flag appears. Different instrument-makers put the flags in slightly different places; here is one example: http://www.causeyaviation.com/resources/century_hsi.jpg You can google for other examples. Note that the HSI has separate flags for heading, nav, and glideslope. This detracts from the realism quite a bit. As a pilot, you are supposed to check for this sort of problem before flight, by tuning to a non-ILS frequency if necessary. You'd be insane to fly an aircraft where the glideslope needle went to the center (without a flag) when you weren't on the glideslope. |
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From: Curtis O. <cur...@gm...> - 2007-01-09 23:33:48
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On 1/9/07, John Denker wrote: > > Hi -- > > Here's something that really grabbed my attention: > > Apparently there is no "flag" to indicate the usability of > the glideslope needle. > > Apparently if there is no valid glideslope indication being > presented, the needle just goes to the center and stays > there. I observed this both on the hsi.xml instrument and > the nav1.xml instrument. > > In a real aircraft: > -- In the sort of instrument represented by nav1.xml, in the > invalid state the GS needle goes to the center but (!) there > is a flag to indicated invalidity. If you don't check the > flag, you die. > -- In the sort of instrument represented by hsi.xml, in the > invalid state the GS needle goes to the top of the cage, > representing an off-scale fly-up indication *and* a flag > appears. > > Different instrument-makers put the flags in slightly different > places; here is one example: > http://www.causeyaviation.com/resources/century_hsi.jpg > You can google for other examples. > > Note that the HSI has separate flags for heading, nav, and glideslope. > > This detracts from the realism quite a bit. As a pilot, you are > supposed to check for this sort of problem before flight, by tuning > to a non-ILS frequency if necessary. You'd be insane to fly an > aircraft where the glideslope needle went to the center (without a > flag) when you weren't on the glideslope. Check out the hires cessna 172 gauges. These have all the flags as far as I know. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d |
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From: John D. <sf...@av...> - 2007-01-09 23:41:21
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On 01/09/2007 06:33 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Check out the hires cessna 172 gauges. These have all the flags as far > as I know. Hmmm, does that mean that lo-res gauges don't have flags. I was flying the 182 (not 172) when I noticed the problem. It uses lo-res gauges. What's the action item here? -- Does this mean model designers should never use lo-res gauges? -- Or should the lo-res gauges be upgraded to include flags? |
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From: Curtis O. <cur...@gm...> - 2007-01-09 23:59:56
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On 1/9/07, John Denker <sf...@av...> wrote: > > Hmmm, does that mean that lo-res gauges don't have flags. > > I was flying the 182 (not 172) when I noticed the problem. > It uses lo-res gauges. > > What's the action item here? > -- Does this mean model designers should never use lo-res gauges? > -- Or should the lo-res gauges be upgraded to include flags? I guess the "action item" is that if instruments that have warning or inop flags don't have those modelled, then we can try to convince the authors to add them and point them to the hires c172 (2D) instruments as an example of how to do it. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d |
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From: John D. <sf...@av...> - 2007-01-10 17:26:38
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Hi -- I rejiggered the instrument placement on the c182 3d panel to make it more nearly resemble the real aircraft. My handiwork can be found at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml.htm http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml References, for comparison: http://www.air-pros.com/images/C182RG-Panel.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cessna_182_P_Skylane_Cockpit.jpg |
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From: Stuart B. <stu...@ya...> - 2007-01-10 18:09:07
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--- John Denker wrote: > Hi -- > > I rejiggered the instrument placement on the c182 3d panel to > make it more nearly resemble the real aircraft. > > My handiwork can be found at > http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml.htm > http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml Looks good, except that the OMI marker cover the DME and the logo is hiddden behind one of the radios (though it was probably already like that). -Stuart ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com |
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From: John D. <sf...@av...> - 2007-01-10 18:31:40
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On 01/10/2007 01:08 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > Looks good, except that the OMI marker cover the DME and the logo is > hiddden behind one of the radios Good catch. > (though it was probably already like > that). No, I broke it. But it's fixed now. http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml.htm |
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From: John D. <sf...@av...> - 2007-01-10 19:39:31
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The hsi now responds correctly to simulated failure as commanded by the "heading indicator" item on the "instrument failure" popup. My handiwork can be found at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/hsi.xml.htm http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/hsi.diff I have not checked other hsi-like instruments to see if they suffer from the same bug. Somebody else should do this, please. |
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From: Martin S. <Mar...@mg...> - 2007-01-10 18:08:57
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John Denker wrote: > My handiwork can be found at > http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml.htm > http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/c182s-3d-panel.xml Stuart, your comment ? ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Jim W. <ji...@ke...> - 2007-01-23 02:33:07
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A while back I added material animation for changing OpenGL emissive material properties on the fly, so that a dimmer could be added to the P51D Cockpit. Subsequently it was rewritten by Melchior IIRC. Most of the aircraft doesn't actually have this configured, but if you are interested you could study the P51D configuration and perhaps add similar support to the cessnas. The property names won't have effect except for the aircraft that have been configured to modify emissive properties on certain cockpit objects depending on that property-name's value. Best, Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: John Denker <sf...@av...> > Sent: Sunday, 7. Jan 2007 20:11 -0500 > To: FlightGear developers discussions <fli...@li...> > Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ? cockpit lighting ? > > I have been unable to find any way to turn on cockpit area lighting. > > I found nothing on the subject in the documentation. > > I tried looking around in the c172 and c182 aircraft models and > didn't find anything. > > I tried fiddling with some of the suggestively-named variables > without success. > > Is it possible that the aircraft models do not (yet) implement > this feature? > > It is kinda hard to fly the aircraft properly with no lighting. > For example, good pilot procedure calls for checking the position > of the flaps on occasion ... and you can't do that if it's too > dark to see the knobs and indicators. > > So ... what's the status? Where do we go from here? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Fli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 |
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From: Josh B. <jba...@at...> - 2007-01-23 12:51:16
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interior-lights.nas
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Jim Wilson wrote: > A while back I added material animation for changing OpenGL emissive material properties > on the fly, so that a dimmer could be added to the P51D Cockpit. Subsequently it was rewritten by Melchior IIRC. > > Most of the aircraft doesn't actually have this configured, but if you are interested you > could study the P51D configuration and perhaps add similar support to the cessnas. The > property names won't have effect except for the aircraft that have been configured to > modify emissive properties on certain cockpit objects depending on that property-name's > value. > See also this attached file. It's for the ch53e, but I don't think it's in CVS yet. Josh |
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