Re: [Firebird-devel] damn gbak Win32 error

[Dmitry K. <di...@de...>]

Hello, Sean!

"Leyne, Sean" wrote:

> I realize that language is probably an issue here
> (English-Russian-English, English-Spanish-English) but...
> 
> I get the sense that you're 'angry'/upset with Firebird, am I wrong?

Just a bit.
 
> Or, are you simply pointing out some issues which the project needs to
> be aware of?

This too. 
 
> > end users. If FB developers doing something they like - it's
> > one point.
> > If they want their work to be usable by other people - it's
> > another point.
> 
> Your suggesting that we are not users of the product ourselves and are
> not responding to user needs, right?

No, of course we all users of Firebird. 
 
> > Maybe I'm too stupid to promote Firebird in Russia, causing a lot of
> > "beta users"? I don't know.
> 
> Please clarify.

Already. When I talk that FB have a lot of sweet features and bug fixes,
people starting to use it. But unstable builds reverses all good points.
People starting to say that FB is unusable. 
 
> > only in Russia. We do not crossing IBPhoenix line or yours.
> 
> In this project, there are no IBPhoenix or any other lines.

? I think there is nothing hard to make money from that.
I'm too old to only have fun writing free applications.
I've passed shareware time in 1991-1993. Nobody said that
Firebird must do all for free. Look at MySQL.
I'm doing some business in Russia, and do not want to spread it or
it's business-schema to other countries or companies.
Of course I can do some things for free, but I don't like somebody
to depend on my free work.
 
> Each of us has there own 'motivation' for participating, but does not
> mean that there are lines of responsiblity which have been established.

Hmm... Maybe I don't understand OpenSource idea. 
 
> > Firebird bugs, as we, Interbase community, did ~2 years ago.
> > If something going wrong, it must be told. I can't cry alone
> > about bugs, seeing people fighting bugs on their production systems.
> 
> I think it is safe to say that we welcome comments/bugs reports.

It does not work when there is no feedback. Sean, I started
to work at hot-line support in 1995. I had a lot of IB presentations,
showing new IB features. I worked with Borland, reporting bugs
and testing. And I know what you feel when some bug may or may not
be fixed year later you reported it. Now in FB the same as in
Borland - Ok, bugs can be reported, you can see they are being
fixed, but you can wait release version a lot of time.

> I would hope that is the goal of all project members to make Firebird
> good, stable and widely used.  It is certainly the goal of the core
> developers (there are about 16 of us, by my count) that I have exchanged
> with.

I very glad to hear this.
 
> Why is he launching yet another fork/port, why not work with us?

I think he will do this only after FB release. As I've said,
it was an opposite example, not an attempt to force new bunch
of features in the engine right now.

-- 
Dmitry Kuzmenko, Epsylon Technologies.