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Re: [Firebird-docs] Help

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

At 05:02 PM 30/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The most significant difference I've found is transaction control where
>Firebird wins hands down!  For example, Postgres does not support nested
>transactions.  Firebird does--you just have to name them.

No, Firebird doesn't support nested transactions.   It does supported 
nested stored procedures.  Firebird 2 will have named savepoints.


>Postgres does have a wealth of functions but I think Firebird UDFs will
>soon catch up here.

Firebird isn't likely to aim to "catch up" with the bloatedness of PG and 
others.  Some functions considered essential are being added to the 
language but FB isn't likely to change its stance radically and overload 
the engine with rarely-used functions.  Firebird's small footprint is one 
of its big assets.  UDFs can be added at any time and we'll see "the best" 
of new UDFs being made available in more new UDF libraries.  There are 
already a lot available...the community needs to do a better job at 
publicising where to get them.

>Already 1.0.2 supports NULLIF() and NVL().

It does;  but the need for those UDFs has gone in Firebird 1.5, which 
supports COALESCE.  I think CASE is there too, or in the process of being 
implemented.

regards,
Helen

Re: [Firebird-docs] Help

[Thad H. <th...@mi...>]

The most significant difference I've found is transaction control where
Firebird wins hands down!  For example, Postgres does not support nested
transactions.  Firebird does--you just have to name them.

Postgres does have a wealth of functions but I think Firebird UDFs will
soon catch up here.  Already 1.0.2 supports NULLIF() and NVL().

On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:46:48 -0500, Jose Romero wrote:

> I need one comparison between Firebird vs. Postgres in spanish or
> english.  Thank you

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RE: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[Robert J. M. <rj...@ar...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fir...@li...
> [mailto:fir...@li...]On Behalf Of Helen
> Borrie
> Sent: 24 January 2003 22:19
> To: fir...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users
>
>
> At 02:57 PM 24/01/2003 +0000, Robert Munro wrote:
>
>
> >This list is kind of quiet. Is there any documentation going on?
> If not, can
> >we do something like copy Posgres documentation for all the basic SQL and
> >adapt it where stuff doesn't work the same way? That would at least be a
> >start.
>
> It could be one approach...but did you know that there is a large
> InterBase
> SQL document already available?  You can download it from the IBPhoenix
> site.

Yes, but under what license?

> It might be less effort to bring that document up to date than to
> start from scratch with a document based on non-standard SQL.  Or
> possibly
> you could merge the two.

It would be quite a lot less effort. The reason I suggested Posgres,
however, is that it's SQL is more standard than most. Certainly much more
standard than MySQL, which is the only other obvious place to start.

> I, too, would be interested to hear how Tilo's documentation project is
> going along.  As I recall, David Jencks began a project using XML, which
> Tilo picked up about two years ago...

I'd like to read it, and make comments and suggestions, but I can't see
where I can view an HTML version. It looks like I'd have to build it from
DocBook, and I have no idea how to do that. (I could learn, though)

> Currently, there is a Quick Start Guide at IBPhoenix (in English)
> which IBP
> is making available for anyone who wants to translate it.
>
> http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_quickstart

I'll take a look at that.

Robert Munro

RE: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

At 02:57 PM 24/01/2003 +0000, Robert Munro wrote:


>This list is kind of quiet. Is there any documentation going on? If not, can
>we do something like copy Posgres documentation for all the basic SQL and
>adapt it where stuff doesn't work the same way? That would at least be a
>start.

It could be one approach...but did you know that there is a large InterBase 
SQL document already available?  You can download it from the IBPhoenix 
site.  It might be less effort to bring that document up to date than to 
start from scratch with a document based on non-standard SQL.  Or possibly 
you could merge the two.

I, too, would be interested to hear how Tilo's documentation project is 
going along.  As I recall, David Jencks began a project using XML, which 
Tilo picked up about two years ago...

Currently, there is a Quick Start Guide at IBPhoenix (in English) which IBP 
is making available for anyone who wants to translate it.

http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_quickstart

IBP has a link for people who want to contribute to future versions of this 
doc.  It is an Adobe PDF which was done in Framemaker.  Currently there is 
a (very rough) export of the source code to Word 7 available to people 
interested in translating it.  So far, it is being translated to French and 
Portuguese.

regards,
Helen
   

Re: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[Artur A. <ar...@ne...>]

Robert, good question!

Is there any documentation going on?

Artur

RE: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[Robert \(Jamie\) M. <rj...@ar...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fir...@li...
> [mailto:fir...@li...]On Behalf Of Helen
> Borrie
> Sent: 24 January 2003 11:31
> To: fir...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users
>
>
> At 04:16 PM 24/01/2003 +0530, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >'m new to Firebird.
> >In firebird, 'm able to create Roles.  But how to create users and assign
> >roles to them?
>
> Wrong list. This is for the Firebird documenters.

This list is kind of quiet. Is there any documentation going on? If not, can
we do something like copy Posgres documentation for all the basic SQL and
adapt it where stuff doesn't work the same way? That would at least be a
start.

Robert Munro

Re: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

At 04:16 PM 24/01/2003 +0530, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>'m new to Firebird.
>In firebird, 'm able to create Roles.  But how to create users and assign
>roles to them?

Wrong list. This is for the Firebird documenters.

Please take support questions to the ib-support list

http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/ib-support

Helen
Mail admin


>Thanks in advance.
>Durrani, Mohamed A.
>Bangalore. India.
>
>
>
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Re: [Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[<jro...@ya...>]

Durrani is a good idea, work with EMS QuickDesk or IBExpert for this
task. The tool is recomended for begginers.

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Advanced Systems - Soluciones Informáticas
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[Firebird-docs] Roles - Users

[Durrani <du...@co...>]

Hi All,

'm new to Firebird.
In firebird, 'm able to create Roles.  But how to create users and assign
roles to them?

Thanks in advance.
Durrani, Mohamed A.
Bangalore. India.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>According to the Wall Street Journal, home interest
rates 
are currently at </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>a 36 year low but are expected to start heading back
up 
by March or April </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>of this year. Perhaps this would be a good time to
pull some 
equity cash out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>of your home or just take advantage of these lower
rates 
to substantially</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>reduce your monthly payments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It's quick and simple to see what's available and
then 
decide if this makes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>any sense for you. Of course there is not a charge or
any 
obligation for taking</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>advantage of this quote service.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT
face=Arial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<A href="http://www.janissarymortgage.com/index.asp?Afft=QM48"><FONT 
color=#00b000 face=verdana,arial,helvetica><B>Go here to 
begin</B></FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=1>please </FONT><A 
href="http://www.janissarymortgage.com/automatic/first.asp
"><FONT size=1>Go here to stop 
all future offers</FONT></A><FONT size=1>.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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[Firebird-docs] Refinance Now ..Rates At All Time Low

[Herbert L. <ak...@ao...>]

<HTML><HEAD>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>According to the Wall Street Journal, home
interest 
rates are currently at </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>a 36 year low but are expected to start
heading 
back up after the first of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>the year. Perhaps this would be a good time to
pull 
some equity cash out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>of your home or just take advantage of these
lower 
rates to substantially</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>reduce your monthly payments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>It's quick and simple to see what's available
and 
then decide if this makes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>any sense for you. Of course there is not a
charge 
or any obligation for taking</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>advantage of this quote service.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
size=2></FONT><A 
href="http://refinancemadness.com/index.asp?Afft=QM43"><FONT color=#00b000 
face=verdana,arial,helvetica size=4><B>Go here to 
begin</B></FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>please <A 
href="http://218.5.79.218/light/index.htm">Go here to stop all future 
offers</A>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

[Firebird-docs] Why refinance?

[Judy B. <an...@mi...>]

<HTML><HEAD>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>According to the Wall Street Journal, home
interest 
rates are currently at </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>a 36 year low but are expected to start
heading 
back up after the first of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>the year. Perhaps this would be a good time to
pull 
some equity cash out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>of your home or just take advantage of these
lower 
rates to substantially</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>reduce your monthly payments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>It's quick and simple to see what's available
and 
then decide if this makes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>any sense for you. Of course there is not a
charge 
or any obligation for taking</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>advantage of this quote service.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
size=2></FONT><A 
href="http://www.ttkasitw.com/index.asp?Afft=QM43"><FONT color=#00b000 
face=verdana,arial,helvetica size=4><B>Go here to 
begin</B></FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>please <A 
href="http://218.5.79.218/light/index.htm">Go here to stop all future 
offers</A>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

[Firebird-docs] firebird-docs, lowest mortgage and refinancing rates in history

[<fir...@li...>]

<HTML><HEAD>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>According to the Wall Street Journal, home interest 
rates are currently at </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>a 36 year low but are expected to start heading 
back up after the first of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>the year. Perhaps this would be a good time to pull 
some equity cash out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>of your home or just take advantage of these lower 
rates to substantially</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>reduce your monthly payments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>It's quick and simple to see what's available and 
then decide if this makes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>any sense for you. Of course there is not a charge 
or any obligation for taking</FONT></DIV>
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[Firebird-docs] Help

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I need one comparison between Firebird vs. Postgres in spanish or
english.  Thank you

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Jose S. Romero
Advanced Systems - Soluciones Informáticas
Paraná - Entre Ríos - Argentina

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