From: Stefan B. <st...@br...> - 2015-04-26 15:13:22
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Hello, I am looking for an X11 Web browser on my Mac OS box, so I was wondering if Fink has any option on the matter. First of all, I believe that it is still impossible to build any recent version of Firefox with X11 support on Mac OS, is this correct? If the above is true, then the next thing to come to mind would be KDE's Konqueror (or rekonq). Are these available through Fink, and if so in what KDE package? Is anybody aware of any other X11 browser that may be available? Any information is appreciated. Many thanks in advance. Best regards, Stefan -- If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii> |
From: Alexander H. <ale...@gm...> - 2015-04-26 15:24:27
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> On Apr 26, 2015, at 07:57, Stefan Bruda <st...@br...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I am looking for an X11 Web browser on my Mac OS box, so I was > wondering if Fink has any option on the matter. > > First of all, I believe that it is still impossible to build any > recent version of Firefox with X11 support on Mac OS, is this correct? > > If the above is true, then the next thing to come to mind would be > KDE's Konqueror (or rekonq). Are these available through Fink, and if > so in what KDE package? > > Is anybody aware of any other X11 browser that may be available? > > Any information is appreciated. Many thanks in advance. > > Best regards, > Stefan > > -- > If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it > isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass > > No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii> > You’re right, firefox isn’t available because its build procedure stopped handling X11 on OS X—at least not without extreme difficultly. Konqueror isn’t available in an X11 format on any recent OS X—10.7-10.10 only have Aqua-based KDE. As best as I can tell, the only X11-based browsers we have right now are “arora” and “dillo”. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison |
From: Stefan B. <st...@br...> - 2015-04-26 20:39:43
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Hello, At 08:24 -0700 on 2015-4-26 Alexander Hansen wrote: > > > > On Apr 26, 2015, at 07:57, Stefan Bruda <st...@br...> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am looking for an X11 Web browser on my Mac OS box, so I was > > wondering if Fink has any option on the matter. > > > > First of all, I believe that it is still impossible to build any > > recent version of Firefox with X11 support on Mac OS, is this correct? > > > > If the above is true, then the next thing to come to mind would be > > KDE's Konqueror (or rekonq). Are these available through Fink, and if > > so in what KDE package? > > > > Is anybody aware of any other X11 browser that may be available? > > > > Any information is appreciated. Many thanks in advance. > > You're right, firefox isn't available because its build procedure > stopped handling X11 on OS X - at least not without extreme > difficultly. Thank you. Is there any description for the build difficulties available anywhere? I would like to try my hand at it (though given my nonexistent familiarity with the Firefox code base I don't expect much). > Konqueror isn't available in an X11 format on any recent OS X— > 10.7-10.10 only have Aqua-based KDE. Understood. > As best as I can tell, the only X11-based browsers we have right > now are "arora" and "dillo". Thank you. Dillo does not build, but arrora seems to work. I will test it out. Best regards, Stefan -- If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii> |
From: Alexander H. <ale...@gm...> - 2015-04-26 21:27:43
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> On Apr 26, 2015, at 13:39, Stefan Bruda <st...@br...> wrote: > > Hello, > > At 08:24 -0700 on 2015-4-26 Alexander Hansen wrote: >> >> >>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 07:57, Stefan Bruda <st...@br...> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am looking for an X11 Web browser on my Mac OS box, so I was >>> wondering if Fink has any option on the matter. >>> >>> First of all, I believe that it is still impossible to build any >>> recent version of Firefox with X11 support on Mac OS, is this correct? >>> >>> If the above is true, then the next thing to come to mind would be >>> KDE's Konqueror (or rekonq). Are these available through Fink, and if >>> so in what KDE package? >>> >>> Is anybody aware of any other X11 browser that may be available? >>> >>> Any information is appreciated. Many thanks in advance. >> >> You're right, firefox isn't available because its build procedure >> stopped handling X11 on OS X - at least not without extreme >> difficultly. > > Thank you. Is there any description for the build difficulties > available anywhere? I would like to try my hand at it (though given > my nonexistent familiarity with the Firefox code base I don't expect > much). I’ll cc the past maintainer of the firefoxN packages, since he knows why he stopped bothering. :-) > >> Konqueror isn't available in an X11 format on any recent OS X— >> 10.7-10.10 only have Aqua-based KDE. > > Understood. > >> As best as I can tell, the only X11-based browsers we have right >> now are "arora" and "dillo". > > Thank you. Dillo does not build, but arrora seems to work. I will > test it out. > > Best regards, > Stefan > > -- > If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it > isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass > > No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii <http://bruda.ca/ascii>> > Dillo used to build, since I got it from the binary distribution to look at, but now it doesn’t. Is this the error you saw? g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -DDILLO_SYSCONF='"/sw/etc/dillo/"' -DDILLO_DOCDIR='"/sw/share/doc/dillo/"' -I/sw/include -I/sw/include/libpng16 -I/sw/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_REENTRANT -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -MT xembed.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/xembed.Tpo -c -o xembed.o xembed.cc mv -f .deps/findbar.Tpo .deps/findbar.Po mv -f .deps/menu.Tpo .deps/menu.Po mv -f .deps/html.Tpo .deps/html.Po In file included from xembed.cc:18: In file included from /sw/include/FL/x.H:43: /sw/include/FL/mac.H:88:12: fatal error: '../src/Fl_Font.H' file not found # include "../src/Fl_Font.H" ^ 1 error generated. -- Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. Fink User Liaison |
From: Alexander H. <ale...@gm...> - 2015-04-26 21:33:29
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> On Apr 26, 2015, at 14:27, Alexander Hansen <ale...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> On Apr 26, 2015, at 13:39, Stefan Bruda <st...@br... <mailto:st...@br...>> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> At 08:24 -0700 on 2015-4-26 Alexander Hansen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 07:57, Stefan Bruda <st...@br... <mailto:st...@br...>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am looking for an X11 Web browser on my Mac OS box, so I was >>>> wondering if Fink has any option on the matter. >>>> >>>> First of all, I believe that it is still impossible to build any >>>> recent version of Firefox with X11 support on Mac OS, is this correct? >>>> >>>> If the above is true, then the next thing to come to mind would be >>>> KDE's Konqueror (or rekonq). Are these available through Fink, and if >>>> so in what KDE package? >>>> >>>> Is anybody aware of any other X11 browser that may be available? >>>> >>>> Any information is appreciated. Many thanks in advance. >>> >>> You're right, firefox isn't available because its build procedure >>> stopped handling X11 on OS X - at least not without extreme >>> difficultly. >> >> Thank you. Is there any description for the build difficulties >> available anywhere? I would like to try my hand at it (though given >> my nonexistent familiarity with the Firefox code base I don't expect >> much). > > I’ll cc the past maintainer of the firefoxN packages, since he knows why he stopped bothering. :-) > >> >>> Konqueror isn't available in an X11 format on any recent OS X— >>> 10.7-10.10 only have Aqua-based KDE. >> >> Understood. >> >>> As best as I can tell, the only X11-based browsers we have right >>> now are "arora" and "dillo". >> >> Thank you. Dillo does not build, but arrora seems to work. I will >> test it out. >> >> Best regards, >> Stefan >> >> -- >> If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it >> isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass >> >> No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii <http://bruda.ca/ascii>> >> > > Dillo used to build, since I got it from the binary distribution to look at, but now it doesn’t. Is this the error you saw? > > g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -DDILLO_SYSCONF='"/sw/etc/dillo/"' -DDILLO_DOCDIR='"/sw/share/doc/dillo/"' -I/sw/include -I/sw/include/libpng16 -I/sw/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_REENTRANT -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -MT xembed.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/xembed.Tpo -c -o xembed.o xembed.cc <http://xembed.cc/> > mv -f .deps/findbar.Tpo .deps/findbar.Po > mv -f .deps/menu.Tpo .deps/menu.Po > mv -f .deps/html.Tpo .deps/html.Po > In file included from xembed.cc <http://xembed.cc/>:18: > In file included from /sw/include/FL/x.H:43: > /sw/include/FL/mac.H:88:12: fatal error: '../src/Fl_Font.H' file not found > # include "../src/Fl_Font.H" > ^ > 1 error generated. > Whoops, I just noticed that dillo is no longer X11-based. I guess arora is your option. > -- > Alexander Hansen, Ph.D. > Fink User Liaison |
From: Stefan B. <st...@br...> - 2015-04-27 00:11:28
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Hello, At 14:33 -0700 on 2015-4-26 Alexander Hansen wrote: > > Dillo used to build, since I got it from the binary distribution to > look at, but now it doesn~t. Is this the error you saw? > > g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -DDILLO_SYSCONF='"/sw/etc/dillo/"' -DDILLO_DOCDIR='"/sw/share/doc/dillo/"' > -I/sw/include -I/sw/include/libpng16 -I/sw/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_THREAD_SAFE > -D_REENTRANT -g -O2 -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -MT xembed.o -MD -MP -MF > .deps/xembed.Tpo -c -o xembed.o [5]xembed.cc > mv -f .deps/findbar.Tpo .deps/findbar.Po > mv -f .deps/menu.Tpo .deps/menu.Po > mv -f .deps/html.Tpo .deps/html.Po > In file included from [6]xembed.cc:18: > In file included from /sw/include/FL/x.H:43: > /sw/include/FL/mac.H:88:12: fatal error: '../src/Fl_Font.H' file not found > # include "../src/Fl_Font.H" > ^ > 1 error generated. That is exactly what I saw. > Whoops, I just noticed that dillo is no longer X11-based. I guess > arora is your option. As you say. ;-) Arora is not a bad browser, though currently it has an SSL-related problem (SSL handshake failed on some sites but not others). I will investigate further. Thank you for all the information. Best regards, Stefan -- If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii> |
From: Hanspeter N. <fi...@sn...> - 2015-04-26 21:34:39
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On 4/26/2015 4:27 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote: >> Thank you. Is there any description for the build difficulties >> available anywhere? I would like to try my hand at it (though given >> my nonexistent familiarity with the Firefox code base I don't expect >> much). > > I’ll cc the past maintainer of the firefoxN packages, since he knows why he stopped bothering. :-) At firefox9, upstream changed too many assumptions in the code that a Darwin system must mean using the quartz frontend. and it became impossible to disentangle code paths that were about the underlying Mac system from stuff that dealt with using Quartz to draw stuff. Macports also gave up at the same time w/ their firefox-x11 package. And firefox8 got restricted to < 10.9 because it doesn't play well with libc++. You're welcome to try making a new firefox37, but I haven't even looked at the code in over 3 years and have no idea how the mozilla build system works these days. Hanspeter |
From: Stefan B. <st...@br...> - 2015-04-27 00:12:44
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Hello, At 16:35 -0500 on 2015-4-26 Hanspeter Niederstrasser wrote: > > At firefox9, upstream changed too many assumptions in the code that > a Darwin system must mean using the quartz frontend. and it became > impossible to disentangle code paths that were about the underlying > Mac system from stuff that dealt with using Quartz to draw stuff. > Macports also gave up at the same time w/ their firefox-x11 > package. And firefox8 got restricted to < 10.9 because it doesn't > play well with libc++. You're welcome to try making a new > firefox37, but I haven't even looked at the code in over 3 years > and have no idea how the mozilla build system works these days. Thank you for the information. I will try to investigate when I find the time. Best regards, Stefan -- If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass No HTML emails and proprietary attachments please <http://bruda.ca/ascii> |