fetchmail-users — User questions and discussion

Re: [fetchmail-users] Fetchmail vs. Getmail (from a Fetchmail perspective)

[Matthias A. <mat...@gm...>]

Volker Kuhlmann <hi...@pa...> writes:

>> > And the getmail'ers claim that fetchmail is loosing all the times mails...
>> > Realy weired; - after 7 years of fetchmail usage!
>> 
>> Author, Date, Subject, URL?
>
> Author: Charles Cazabon  (yep!)
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:05:47 -0600
> Private mail to me, saying that getmail is better than fetchmail because
> it wouldn't lose mail or cause bogus bounces in its default
> configuration. He was unable to give specifics though when probed, but
> liked to rant against fetchmail. Personally I found this the best he
> said in the email exchange: "You're free not to use getmail." And I
> don't. :)

Thanks.  FUD, how very surprising - the usual bullshit spread by DJB
disciples when they are promoting(*) their software: badmouth everything
else.  I wish they'd rather give their user fair and unbiased
information so the user can make an informed choice.

OTOH, we've had fetchmail 6.3.X releases since then, which fixed many of
the annoying 6.2.X (and older) bugs.

__________
(*) and the "you're free not to use it" doesn't invalidate neither the
    promotion per se nor their compulsion to evangelize...

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Matthias A. <mat...@gm...>]

"Roberto Meyer" <rob...@gm...> writes:

>> strace -p 18616
>
> Process 893 attached - interrupt to quit
> read(3,
>
> And stays there until I type CTRL+C

Update to 6.3.6-rc3 and see if it works better for you.

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Roberto M. <rob...@gm...>]

2006/11/22, Jakob Hirsch <jh...@pl...>:

> Quoting Roberto Meyer:
> > fetchmail 893 someuser    3u  IPv4 365590            TCP
> > host.200.55.19.56.static.itcsa.net:52070->mail.mailserver.com:imap2
> > (ESTABLISHED)
> > read(3,
>
> Ok, so fetchmail waits for input from the mail server.
> What about your fetchmailrc? Maybe you are using the "idle" keyword.

Well, hope your sleeping by now :-)

Here is the .fetchmailrc of this user:

poll mail.mymailserver.com
       proto imap
       user "som...@so..."
       pass "somepasswd"

That's all... :-|

Thanx for your help,

-
Roberto

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Jakob H. <jh...@pl...>]

Quoting Roberto Meyer:
> fetchmail 893 someuser    3u  IPv4 365590            TCP
> host.200.55.19.56.static.itcsa.net:52070->mail.mailserver.com:imap2
> (ESTABLISHED)
> read(3,

Ok, so fetchmail waits for input from the mail server.
What about your fetchmailrc? Maybe you are using the "idle" keyword.

Re: [fetchmail-users] Problem with multiple ip on same interface + etchmaol

[Rob M. <rob...@gm...>]

On 11/22/06, Mitko Rürup <ru...@we...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i changed my network config to have multiple ips on eth0. Since then,
> every time the alias eth0:1 is up fetchmail refuses to work. with just
> one ip on the interface everything works well.
>
> my config looks like the following:
>
> set postmaster "postmaster"
> set bouncemail
> set no spambounce
> set properties ""
> set daemon 300
> poll haftbar.de with proto IMAP
>     interface eth0/141.28.224.224 monitor eth0
>     user '#########' there with password '########' is '#######' here
> options keep ssl
<---SNIP--->
> any clues to solve this?

You need to post the output of "fetchmail --nodetach -v -v -v" and
confirm your version of fetchmail (hint, if it's not 6.3.5 then
upgrade before running the above).

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[fetchmail-users] Problem with multiple ip on same interface + etchmaol

[Mitko R. <ru...@we...>]

Hello,

i changed my network config to have multiple ips on eth0. Since then,
every time the alias eth0:1 is up fetchmail refuses to work. with just
one ip on the interface everything works well.

my config looks like the following:

set postmaster "postmaster"
set bouncemail
set no spambounce
set properties ""
set daemon 300
poll haftbar.de with proto IMAP
    interface eth0/141.28.224.224 monitor eth0
    user '#########' there with password '########' is '#######' here
options keep ssl


i tried with or without interface option, with or without monitor option

there is only one nic installes with the following ips:

eth0 141.28.224.224 hostname homer
eth0:1 141.28.224.70 hostname dump

fetchmail constantly refuses to use the hostname homer, uses dump
instead and does nothing after telling me that he is polling the server.

any clues to solve this?


regards,

mitko rürup


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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Roberto M. <rob...@gm...>]

2006/11/22, Roberto Meyer <rob...@gm...>:

> 2006/11/21, Jakob Hirsch <jh...@pl...>:
>
> > Quoting Roberto Meyer:
> >
> > > someuser   18616  0.0  0.7  4028 1972 ?        S    14:00   0:00 fetchmail -t 60

Sorry, I forgot to answer that for this user I'm redirecting the
stdout and stderr to /dev/null

At the process list the job looks like:

/bin/sh -c fetchmail -s > /dev/null 2>&1

Thanks,

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Roberto M. <rob...@gm...>]

2006/11/21, Jakob Hirsch <jh...@pl...>:

> Quoting Roberto Meyer:
>
> > someuser   18616  0.0  0.7  4028 1972 ?        S    14:00   0:00 fetchmail -t 60
>
> lsof -p 18616

COMMAND   PID     USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE    SIZE   NODE NAME
fetchmail 893 someuser  cwd    DIR    8,9    4096 260614 /home/someuser
fetchmail 893 someuser  rtd    DIR    8,2    1024      2 /
fetchmail 893 someuser  txt    REG    8,5  209976  61808 /usr/bin/fetchmail
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   90248  76402 /lib/ld-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   18780  76411 /lib/libcrypt-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   64924  76423 /lib/libresolv-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,5  198576 110468
/usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.7
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,5 1029704 110467
/usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.7
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2 1244752  76410 /lib/libc-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2    9872  76412 /lib/libdl-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   27304  76416
/lib/libnss_compat-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   73528  76415 /lib/libnsl-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   32480  76420
/lib/libnss_nis-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,2   34520  76418
/lib/libnss_files-2.3.2.so
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,5  290336 760418
/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
fetchmail 893 someuser  mem    REG    8,5  117962 249396
/usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo
fetchmail 893 someuser    0r  FIFO    0,5         365571 pipe
fetchmail 893 someuser    1w   CHR    1,3          60251 /dev/null
fetchmail 893 someuser    2w   CHR    1,3          60251 /dev/null
fetchmail 893 someuser    3u  IPv4 365590            TCP
host.200.55.19.56.static.itcsa.net:52070->mail.mailserver.com:imap2
(ESTABLISHED)


> strace -p 18616

Process 893 attached - interrupt to quit
read(3,

And stays there until I type CTRL+C


> would be a good start.

Well... hope so... :-)

TIA,

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Re: [fetchmail-users] Fetchmail vs. Getmail (from a Fetchmail perspective)

[Volker K. <hi...@pa...>]

> > And the getmail'ers claim that fetchmail is loosing all the times mails...
> > Realy weired; - after 7 years of fetchmail usage!
> 
> Author, Date, Subject, URL?

Author: Charles Cazabon  (yep!)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:05:47 -0600
Private mail to me, saying that getmail is better than fetchmail because
it wouldn't lose mail or cause bogus bounces in its default
configuration. He was unable to give specifics though when probed, but
liked to rant against fetchmail. Personally I found this the best he
said in the email exchange: "You're free not to use getmail." And I
don't. :)

Volker

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Matthias A. <mat...@gm...>]

"Roberto Meyer" <rob...@gm...> writes:

> I'm still havin trouble with it. I'm running fetchmail from user's cron.
>
> Even if it's a network problem, I expect fetchmail to die after a
> while. But sometimes it doesn't happen.
>
> I've modified the default 600 seconds fetchmail should wait for any
> server response to 60 seconds but it still hangs in my process list.

Do you have daemon mode enabled? Else see Jakob's reply.

> Example pasted (process stopped at 2pm, I found it at 5pm, which means
> 3 hours without downloading mail!)

How do you "stop" the process? Did you kill fetchmail or just the
/bin/sh wrapper? 

And if it's "someuser"'s process, how can you be sure it's not been
restarted by cron in the meanwhile?

> Any idea of why is this happening? I'm running fetchmail release
> 6.2.5+NTLM+SDPS+SSL+NLS over Debian Sarge.

Even though I consider 6.2.X obsolete and won't fix any bit in it unless
someone tosses $$,$$$.$$ my way, that's not a known failure mode for
fetchmail 6.2.X either. So:

what did you do?
what did you get?
what did you want instead?

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail authorization and socket errors

[Matthias A. <mat...@gm...>]

Michelle Konzack <lin...@fr...> writes:

> Manualy adding a Reply-To: will prevent Users to send
> private mails and they must hit every time Reply-To-All
> and then delete the unwanted E-Mails.

Reply-to-All won't usually override Reply-To: headers...

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Re: [fetchmail-users] Fetchmail vs. Getmail (from a Fetchmail perspective)

[Matthias A. <mat...@gm...>]

Michelle Konzack <lin...@fr...> writes:

> And the getmail'ers claim that fetchmail is loosing all the times mails...
> Realy weired; - after 7 years of fetchmail usage!

Author, Date, Subject, URL?

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Jakob H. <jh...@pl...>]

Quoting Roberto Meyer:

> someuser   18616  0.0  0.7  4028 1972 ?        S    14:00   0:00 fetchmail -t 60

lsof -p 18616
strace -p 18616

would be a good start.

> Any idea of why is this happening? I'm running fetchmail release
> 6.2.5+NTLM+SDPS+SSL+NLS over Debian Sarge.

quite outdated, 6.3.5 is the current one.

[fetchmail-users] fetchmail never dies :-(

[Roberto M. <rob...@gm...>]

Hi:

I'm still havin trouble with it. I'm running fetchmail from user's cron.

Even if it's a network problem, I expect fetchmail to die after a
while. But sometimes it doesn't happen.

I've modified the default 600 seconds fetchmail should wait for any
server response to 60 seconds but it still hangs in my process list.

Example pasted (process stopped at 2pm, I found it at 5pm, which means
3 hours without downloading mail!)

someuser   18614  0.0  0.4  2688 1228 ?        Ss   14:00   0:00
/bin/sh -c fetchmail -t 60
someuser   18616  0.0  0.7  4028 1972 ?        S    14:00   0:00 fetchmail -t 60

Any idea of why is this happening? I'm running fetchmail release
6.2.5+NTLM+SDPS+SSL+NLS over Debian Sarge.

-
Roberto

Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail and virtual domains - each using own smtp server

[Adam D <em...@gm...>]

Rob MacGregor wrote:
> On 11/20/06, Adam D <em...@gm...> wrote:
>> I have been reading over fetchamil and smtp and the man page over the weekend and today and sadly I am not understanding how to assign a particular smtp server to the fetchmail config.  Here is my scenario:
>>
>> I am running fetchmail as an init daemon and right now the config file resides in /etc as fetchmailrc.  I am creating postfix to run multiple domains each on its own smtp server accepting mail on a different ethernet address.
>>
>> What I would like to have are separate fetchmail configs for each postfix domain and the mail being retrieved belonging to that particular domain.
> 
> poll pop.isp1.net user UserA password PassA to LocalA smtphost localhost
> poll pop.isp2.net user UserB password PassB to LocalB smtphost example1.com
> 
> And so on.  See the section on "Delivery Control Options", also listed
> under the user options.
> 

LOL, that is why I have not been able to find it.  I have been looking in the 'set..' settings (found none) and server settings and would not think they would have been in the user settings.  So adding smtphost at the end of each user I can have multiple smtp host configs all in the same /etc/fetchmailrc file :) thus much easier to maintain :).

Thank you Rob for your help now I can go back to the man page and look more into user settings.

-Adam

Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail and virtual domains - each using own smtp server

[Rob M. <rob...@gm...>]

On 11/20/06, Adam D <em...@gm...> wrote:
>
> I have been reading over fetchamil and smtp and the man page over the weekend and today and sadly I am not understanding how to assign a particular smtp server to the fetchmail config.  Here is my scenario:
>
> I am running fetchmail as an init daemon and right now the config file resides in /etc as fetchmailrc.  I am creating postfix to run multiple domains each on its own smtp server accepting mail on a different ethernet address.
>
> What I would like to have are separate fetchmail configs for each postfix domain and the mail being retrieved belonging to that particular domain.

poll pop.isp1.net user UserA password PassA to LocalA smtphost localhost
poll pop.isp2.net user UserB password PassB to LocalB smtphost example1.com

And so on.  See the section on "Delivery Control Options", also listed
under the user options.

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail and virtual domains - each using own smtp server

[Adam D <em...@gm...>]

Rob MacGregor wrote:
> On 11/18/06, Adam D <em...@gm...> wrote:
>> I have been using fetchmail for many years on one system for one domain but I am now making the mail server host multi domains but would like to bind a separate fetchmail process to diff virtual postfix smtp server processes on Linux.
>>
>> ex.
>> bind fetchmail for smtp bound on eth0 (localhost)
>> bind seperate fetchmail-1 for smtp bound on eth0:0 (example1.com)
>> bind seperate fetchmail-2 for smtp bound on eth0:1 (example2.com)
> 
> As per the man page, simply specify different smtphost values in each
> config file.
> 
> I've been using this for some time and it works just fine.
> 

I have been reading over fetchamil and smtp and the man page over the weekend and today and sadly I am not understanding how to assign a particular smtp server to the fetchmail config.  Here is my scenario:

I am running fetchmail as an init daemon and right now the config file resides in /etc as fetchmailrc.  I am creating postfix to run multiple domains each on its own smtp server accepting mail on a different ethernet address.

What I would like to have are separate fetchmail configs for each postfix domain and the mail being retrieved belonging to that particular domain.



Rob,

In the beginning of your fetchmailrc file do you state what server to bind to?

-Adam

Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail without local delivery

[Rob M. <rob...@gm...>]

On 11/20/06, Andreas Wahlert <and...@gm...> wrote:
>
> here works a postfix system with amavis and spamassissin for me. All
> Mails are delivered with smtp and will be forwarded with postfix
> transport.db to an exchange Server (typical DMZ Infrastructure).
>
> Now i'm trying to grab some pop3 mailboxes with fetchmail on this box.
>
> This mails should be delivered to postfix / amavis and forwarded to the
> Exchange too. But fetchmail put all the mails in the local root MBX.
>
> How can i change this behavior??

Well, it's all guesswork because you've said nothing (in detail) about
your fetchmail or postfix config.  However you need to:

1) Tell fetchmail to deliver to your local SMTP server (default)
2) Tell your local SMTP server to deliver ALL email to the Exchange box

From what you've said I'd say your problem is with (2).

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[fetchmail-users] fetchmail without local delivery

[Andreas W. <and...@gm...>]

Hi List,


here works a postfix system with amavis and spamassissin for me. All
Mails are delivered with smtp and will be forwarded with postfix
transport.db to an exchange Server (typical DMZ Infrastructure).

Now i'm trying to grab some pop3 mailboxes with fetchmail on this box.

This mails should be delivered to postfix / amavis and forwarded to the
Exchange too. But fetchmail put all the mails in the local root MBX.


How can i change this behavior??





friendly regards form germany


Andreas

[fetchmail-users] fetchmail 6.3.6-rc3 release candidate

[Matthias A. <mat...@gm...>]

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Greetings,

I have uploaded a new (hopefully final) fetchmail 6.3.6 release
candidate to the usual download location:
<http://home.pages.de/~mandree/fetchmail/>

WARNING: This message sets the Reply-To: header.
When replying to me personally, you need to edit the To: header!

Can those who use an mda and who have experienced fetchmail crashes
after refused messages please test if these are gone?

Thank you.

Happy fetching,
Matthias Andree
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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail authorization and socket errors

[Michelle K. <lin...@fr...>]

Am 2006-11-12 10:20:50, schrieb Wade Smart:
> Rob, its very frustrating to hit reply and have to copy and past the
> fetchmail address each time. It should automatically go back to the
> group and not the sender. Could you put a reply-to in your mails so it
> would do this?

What about using List-Reply?

Manualy adding a Reply-To: will prevent Users to send
private mails and they must hit every time Reply-To-All
and then delete the unwanted E-Mails.

Greetings
    Michelle Konzack
    Systemadministrator
    Tamay Dogan Network
    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant


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Re: [fetchmail-users] Fetchmail vs. Getmail (from a Fetchmail perspective)

[Michelle K. <lin...@fr...>]

Hello,

Am 2006-11-12 23:38:31, schrieb Matthias Andree:

> If you want getmail and SSL or TLS, only ever do this with a very recent
> getmail version and if your system Python installation is 2.4 or 2.5.  
> Python 2.3 and earlier will hit your CPU very hard with SSL.
> 
> Note that getmail hasn't got a daemon mode and knows fewer authenticators.

And the getmail'ers claim that fetchmail is loosing all the times mails...
Realy weired; - after 7 years of fetchmail usage!

Greetings
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    Systemadministrator
    Tamay Dogan Network
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Re: [fetchmail-users] Fetchmail vs. Getmail (from a Fetchmail perspective)

[Michelle K. <lin...@fr...>]

Hello *,

Am 2006-11-12 16:00:37, schrieb Rob MacGregor:

> >  From a Fetchmail perspective, what the the Pros/Cons of using each?  I
> > don't want to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire!
> 
> Never used getmail, and you're asking on a fetchmail list - you're
> going to get a very fetchmail centric response :)

...but he can ask the same question on the "getmail" list
and do analyzing (specialy the flames  :-/ )

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Re: [fetchmail-users] fetchmail and virtual domains - each using own smtp server

[Rob M. <rob...@gm...>]

On 11/18/06, Adam D <em...@gm...> wrote:
> I have been using fetchmail for many years on one system for one domain but I am now making the mail server host multi domains but would like to bind a separate fetchmail process to diff virtual postfix smtp server processes on Linux.
>
> ex.
> bind fetchmail for smtp bound on eth0 (localhost)
> bind seperate fetchmail-1 for smtp bound on eth0:0 (example1.com)
> bind seperate fetchmail-2 for smtp bound on eth0:1 (example2.com)

As per the man page, simply specify different smtphost values in each
config file.

I've been using this for some time and it works just fine.

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Re: [fetchmail-users] Fetchmail vs. Getmail (from a Fetchmail perspective)

[Volker K. <hi...@pa...>]

> I wouldn't dare run fetchmail as root. It needs no privileges unless
> you're using --mda and your MDA isn't fit for setuid.

I'm running fetchmail as $USER and use --mda, piping via a short script
into procmail for delivery. However, all mail fetched with this method
is known to be destined for $USER. The reason for not delivering through
localhost:25 is that the latter badly messes up the order of fetched
mails.

As for getmail, I installed, I tried, I got rid of it again. Too
immature, diabolical ssl support. That was however I think 3 years ago.
Getmail would have be rather a lot better to get me away from a tried
and time-proven fetchmail setup.

Volker

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