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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-24 22:36:38
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OK, thanks. — don > On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:53, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...> wrote: > > Probably 2022. > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:33 PM dgpdx <dgr...@gm... <mailto:dgr...@gm...>> wrote: > I’d love to use factor. Any idea when the port to arm64 will be completed? > — > don > > >> On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:29, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm... <mailto:mr...@gm...>> wrote: >> >> Contributions are welcome! >> >> (Also questions, if you have any.) >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko <geo...@gm... <mailto:geo...@gm...>> wrote: >> Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) >> >> вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm... <mailto:mr...@gm...>>: >> You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: >> >> https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 <https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko <geo...@gm... <mailto:geo...@gm...>> wrote: >> Hi >> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in kernel.factor >> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >> "because the compiler special-cases them". >> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-08-24 21:54:10
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Probably 2022. On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:33 PM dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> wrote: > I’d love to use factor. Any idea when the port to arm64 will be completed? > — > don > > > On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:29, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...> wrote: > > Contributions are welcome! > > (Also questions, if you have any.) > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko < > geo...@gm...> wrote: > >> Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem >> (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, >> but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) >> >> вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...>: >> >>> You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < >>> geo...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >>>> kernel.factor >>>> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >>>> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >>>> "because the compiler special-cases them". >>>> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Fac...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Fac...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-24 21:33:09
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I’d love to use factor. Any idea when the port to arm64 will be completed? — don > On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:29, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...> wrote: > > Contributions are welcome! > > (Also questions, if you have any.) > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko <geo...@gm... <mailto:geo...@gm...>> wrote: > Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) > > вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm... <mailto:mr...@gm...>>: > You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: > > https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 <https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289> > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko <geo...@gm... <mailto:geo...@gm...>> wrote: > Hi > Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in kernel.factor > Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as > : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; > "because the compiler special-cases them". > What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... <mailto:Fac...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-08-24 21:30:30
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Contributions are welcome! (Also questions, if you have any.) On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko < geo...@gm...> wrote: > Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem > (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, > but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) > > вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...>: > >> You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: >> >> >> https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < >> geo...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >>> kernel.factor >>> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >>> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >>> "because the compiler special-cases them". >>> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Fac...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-08-24 21:17:00
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Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...>: > You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: > > > https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < > geo...@gm...> wrote: > >> Hi >> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >> kernel.factor >> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >> "because the compiler special-cases them". >> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-08-24 18:59:23
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You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < geo...@gm...> wrote: > Hi > Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in > kernel.factor > Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as > : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; > "because the compiler special-cases them". > What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 23:35:22
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That’s too bad, it was a nice group. — don > On Aug 20, 2021, at 15:36, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <zn...@zn...> wrote: > > Unless the maintainers of the Yahoo list took active steps to migrate > it, it died when Yahoo killed Yahoo Groups. > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> wrote: >> >> This is the factor-talk mail list, I’m asking about the original concatenative mail list that was hosted by Yahoo. >> It seems to have disappeared. >> — >> don >> >> >>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:37, Benjamin Pollack <ben...@bi...> wrote: >>> ng >>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: >>>> Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? >>> >>> Unless I'm rather fundamentally miisunderstanding your question: you're on it. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Fac...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > -- > Borasky Research Journal https://www.znmeb.mobi > > Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! > > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk |
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From: M. E. (E. B. <zn...@zn...> - 2021-08-20 23:06:51
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Unless the maintainers of the Yahoo list took active steps to migrate it, it died when Yahoo killed Yahoo Groups. On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> wrote: > > This is the factor-talk mail list, I’m asking about the original concatenative mail list that was hosted by Yahoo. > It seems to have disappeared. > — > don > > > > On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:37, Benjamin Pollack <ben...@bi...> wrote: > > ng > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: > >> Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? > > > > Unless I'm rather fundamentally miisunderstanding your question: you're on it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Fac...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Borasky Research Journal https://www.znmeb.mobi Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! |
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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 20:13:08
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This is the factor-talk mail list, I’m asking about the original concatenative mail list that was hosted by Yahoo. It seems to have disappeared. — don > On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:37, Benjamin Pollack <ben...@bi...> wrote: > ng > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: >> Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? > > Unless I'm rather fundamentally miisunderstanding your question: you're on it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk |
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From: Benjamin P. <ben...@bi...> - 2021-08-20 19:56:13
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:04, dgpdx wrote: > I’m aware of that. I would be implementing in C but the gcc port to arm64 also isn’t finished. I feel like there might be a misunderstanding here. The Factor compiler is itself written in Factor. The VM is in C++, true, but that's honestly the easiest part of moving to a new architecture. If you're interested in joining the arm64 effort, you might find you can be quite comfy contributing meaningfully while staying entirely in Factor. |
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From: Benjamin P. <ben...@bi...> - 2021-08-20 19:56:10
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: > Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? Unless I'm rather fundamentally misunderstanding your question: you're on it. |
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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 18:25:24
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Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? — don |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 18:12:00
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Yes, "namespaces:set" is the word "set" from the vocab "namespaces"! To distinguish it from the word "sets:set". Logic is our power. чт, 19 авг. 2021 г. в 01:00, George Cherevichenko < geo...@gm...>: > Hi > Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in > kernel.factor > Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as > : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; > "because the compiler special-cases them". > What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? > |
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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 18:04:19
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I’m aware of that. I would be implementing in C but the gcc port to arm64 also isn’t finished. — don > On Aug 20, 2021, at 11:01, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...> wrote: > > Factor works fine using Rosetta. > > The arm64 port of Factor hasn’t been finished yet. > > >> On Aug 20, 2021, at 11:00 AM, dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> wrote: >> >> Hi, all — >> >> I cannot use factor as it is only for Intel architecture and I use arm64 on a MacBook Pro. >> >> So, I’m implementing a CL in Julia, called jacl. It’s at the basics level with lots of work yet >> to do and I’m wondering if any interested parties would like to contribute. If so, send me an >> email and I’ll send you the source code and documentation. jacl Is open source. >> — >> don >> >> PS - Is the concatenative mail list still active? I looked but couldn’t find itce >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 18:01:46
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Factor works fine using Rosetta. The arm64 port of Factor hasn’t been finished yet. > On Aug 20, 2021, at 11:00 AM, dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi, all — > > I cannot use factor as it is only for Intel architecture and I use arm64 on a MacBook Pro. > > So, I’m implementing a CL in Julia, called jacl. It’s at the basics level with lots of work yet > to do and I’m wondering if any interested parties would like to contribute. If so, send me an > email and I’ll send you the source code and documentation. jacl Is open source. > — > don > > PS - Is the concatenative mail list still active? I looked but couldn’t find itce > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk |
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From: dgpdx <dgr...@gm...> - 2021-08-20 18:00:03
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Hi, all — I cannot use factor as it is only for Intel architecture and I use arm64 on a MacBook Pro. So, I’m implementing a CL in Julia, called jacl. It’s at the basics level with lots of work yet to do and I’m wondering if any interested parties would like to contribute. If so, send me an email and I’ll send you the source code and documentation. jacl Is open source. — don PS - Is the concatenative mail list still active? I looked but couldn’t find itce |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-08-18 22:00:44
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Hi Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in kernel.factor Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; "because the compiler special-cases them". What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-07-01 00:14:10
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Sometimes it's nice to not have to define a separate state variable, counter is the most often case that I've seen but there are others. On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 6:02 AM George Cherevichenko < geo...@gm...> wrote: > The vocab stack-checker/values line 7 > > : <value> ( -- value ) \ <value> counter ; > > Why do Pestov use \ <value> (the name of a function) as a variable? > > The vocab stack-checker/recursive-state line 7 > > TUPLE: recursive-state quotations inline-words ; > : <recursive-state> ( -- state ) recursive-state new ; inline > <recursive-state> recursive-state set-global > > Why do Pestov use "recursive-state" (the name of a tuple) as a variable? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-06-29 13:01:39
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The vocab stack-checker/values line 7 : <value> ( -- value ) \ <value> counter ; Why do Pestov use \ <value> (the name of a function) as a variable? The vocab stack-checker/recursive-state line 7 TUPLE: recursive-state quotations inline-words ; : <recursive-state> ( -- state ) recursive-state new ; inline <recursive-state> recursive-state set-global Why do Pestov use "recursive-state" (the name of a tuple) as a variable? George |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-06-22 19:48:54
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Else we have an error "unknown-image-extension" https://www.mail-archive.com/fac...@li.../msg08655.html вт, 22 июн. 2021 г. в 22:45, John Benediktsson <mr...@gm...>: > Why do you have to use platform specific image loader? > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 PM George Cherevichenko < > geo...@gm...> wrote: > >> https://pastebin.com/faGJUH6v >> https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13J21P >> Put it to a new vocab "sphere" and run. If you will use deploy-tool, >> change the line163 (write "1.jpg" instead of "vocab:sphere/1.jpg") and add >> one of the lines >> USE: images.loader.gdiplus (for Windows) >> USE: images.loader.gtk (for Linux) >> USE: images.loader.cocoa (for MacOS) >> And put 1.jpg to the folder with the result! >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Fac...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-06-22 19:45:23
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Why do you have to use platform specific image loader? On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 PM George Cherevichenko < geo...@gm...> wrote: > https://pastebin.com/faGJUH6v > https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13J21P > Put it to a new vocab "sphere" and run. If you will use deploy-tool, > change the line163 (write "1.jpg" instead of "vocab:sphere/1.jpg") and add > one of the lines > USE: images.loader.gdiplus (for Windows) > USE: images.loader.gtk (for Linux) > USE: images.loader.cocoa (for MacOS) > And put 1.jpg to the folder with the result! > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-06-22 19:44:07
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https://pastebin.com/faGJUH6v https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13J21P Put it to a new vocab "sphere" and run. If you will use deploy-tool, change the line163 (write "1.jpg" instead of "vocab:sphere/1.jpg") and add one of the lines USE: images.loader.gdiplus (for Windows) USE: images.loader.gtk (for Linux) USE: images.loader.cocoa (for MacOS) And put 1.jpg to the folder with the result! |
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From: John B. <mr...@gm...> - 2021-06-22 17:42:15
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You can tell if you are running with the ui versus the command-line with
"ui-running?".
If you want to see if the listener is open, you can find it's window:
[ listener-gadget? ] find-window
And if you want to get a listener, opening one if it is not open, just call:
get-listener
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 8:33 AM George Cherevichenko <
geo...@gm...> wrote:
> How can my program know is it running in the listener or as .exe?
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> George
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> Factor-talk mailing list
> Fac...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
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From: Abraham P. <ab...@bo...> - 2021-06-22 17:32:56
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Is it cheating to just use the "environment" vocabulary and pass in an indicator that way? I'm new with Factor so don't know of any fancier ways to reflect on the source/type of the running code. --Abraham On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:32 AM George Cherevichenko < geo...@gm...> wrote: > How can my program know is it running in the listener or as .exe? > > George > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Fac...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > -- http://boxturtlebakery.com (919)357-6034 ab...@bo... |
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From: George C. <geo...@gm...> - 2021-06-22 15:32:47
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How can my program know is it running in the listener or as .exe? George |
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