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Re: [eXist-TEIXML] greetings! eXist and web servers
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From: Beshero-Bondar, E. E. <EB...@pi...> - 2014-11-11 01:02:49
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Dear Adam (cc: exist-teixml list): Many thanks for your detailed responses to my questions! I've been storing queries in eXist, and just haven't worked out how to invoke them--so that looks like my next step. You asked if I want users to input their own query scripts, and the answer is, not really --because my students have their own Sandbox installation where they practice and learn XQuery--so this isn't a web interface for them. Rather, as you conjectured, I just need users to call particular scripts I'll have saved. I'm interested in invoking the scripts directly, if I don't have to use PHP. And I may be back with more questions about all this as I experiment. (By the way, I purchased your book and I'm sure I'll be consulting it frequently!) Best, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: eb...@pi... about.me/ebbondar -----Original Message----- From: Adam Retter [mailto:ad...@ex...] Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:48 PM To: Beshero-Bondar, Elisa Eileen Cc: exist-teixml Subject: Re: [eXist-TEIXML] greetings! eXist and web servers Hi Elisa, Welcome to eXist :-) You can find my comments inline below: > I'm working on multiple projects that rely in some way on eXist and > XQuery, and I'm currently > teaching an XQuery unit in my coding-based Digital Humanities at Pitt-Greensburg. My course materials are posted here (and I'm grateful for suggestions and advice on them!): > http://www.pitt.edu/~ebb8/DHDS/ Very cool :-) I am afraid that I do not have a great deal of time to look through all of that, but if you want comparison material for teaching XQuery and eXist, then I have quite a lot available on my site from various courses I have taught to students: http://www.adamretter.org.uk/presentations.xml > What I need to learn at this point is how best to work with eXist to > develop search queries (rather than simply to use it as I've been, > which is to run queries to check for consistency of our coding, to > generate "code reports"--or reports on our use of particular TEI > elements, etc., and to gather for myself a comprehensive view of our > editing and data extraction to our centralized prosopography list > (currently posted for use by our editing team at > http://mitford.pitt.edu/si.xml ) If you are not already doing doing so, then you can store your queries into the database. By doing this you can then execute them via HTTP, by accessing them either from one of the three mechanisms that eXist offers - it's REST Server, via. XQuery URL Rewriting or RESTXQ. By having these stored queries generate HTML/XHTML/XForms/JavaScript/JSON etc, you can produce a dynamic website in XQuery, just as you would in any other server side-language such as PHP or Ruby. > I'm working with my head of IT at my campus, who's more familiar with > databases like MySQL, etc. but has been learning about eXist and is > willing to work with me to experiment as we try to build query tools > for the Mitford project (as well as the other smaller-scale projects.) > I need (or at least I think I need) to learn PHP and REST, and I'm > keen to do that when I come up for air from a busy college semester: I > like to think I'm a quick study when I find time to breathe from my teaching load! You do not need PHP to produce a full web-application with eXist, instead it can all be done in XQuery and/or XSLT, XForms etc. Of course, there is nothing stopping you from using PHP with eXist if you really want to. > Here are some things I and my IT colleague would like to learn as we > figure out how best to implement eXist for the Digital Mitford project: > > * Should eXist be installed at the "front end" of a public-facing web > project? How direct can the relationship be between web interface and > eXist database? I would suggest not. eXist is really a database and application server. It is always good practice to situate these things behind your web-server. > * What methods do other projects use to invoke and deliver XQuery > scripts from website to database? Typically you reverse-proxy from your main Web Server, the parts of Web Applications built in eXist that you wish to expose into the URL space of your main website. This sort of architecture is discussed in some detail in the upcoming eXist book from O'Reilly (a shameless plug I am afraid ;-)). > We're considering whether to have eXist run behind a firewall on > another server, to speak to public-facing site pages. Yes, this is the normal scenario. > In reading eXist's development > pages, I'm thinking I'd like the simplest possible interface: If I > could have users press a button that simply delivered an XQuery file > to process in eXist, and have eXist post the HTML output directly to > the site, I'd be pretty happy---I'm just not sure how it's done! Do you want your users to write and submit queries to eXist? If this is for a teaching/learning purpose I could understand. Otherwise, you normally store parameterised queries into eXist and invoke them directly via HTTP and they produce HTML. > This is my second time teaching the coding-based DH class at my > campus, and I hope to offer it each fall. Each year, prepping for the > class offers some opportunity for me to explore something new--and > this month, as my students are writing their first XQuery to the eXist > installed on our intranet "sandbox" server (behind the campus > firewall), I'm hoping to learn how to bring eXist from behind our firewall...any leads are most appreciated! > > Thanks, > Elisa > -- > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg Humanities Division > 150 Finoli Drive > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: eb...@pi... > about.me/ebbondar > > >> >> >> From: Joe Wicentowski [mailto:jo...@gm...] >> Sent: den 2 november 2014 19:23 >> To: exist-teixml >> Subject: [eXist-TEIXML] Back from #TEIConf2014 >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> It was great to meet and see many of you again at the TEI Annual Meeting >> at Northwestern the week before last. For those who couldn't make it, the >> conference Twitter hash tag has tons of great material. >> >> >> >> Peter Stadler and I were chatting about this list, the community of TEI >> and eXist users, and we thought this would be a good opportunity for >> everyone to check in and say a few words about how you are doing. What are >> you working on these days? How is it going? Lessons? Questions? >> >> >> >> A few things occurred to me about the state of TEI and eXist: >> >> >> >> First, this list was launched after the eXist seminars at TEI@Oxford 2010 >> and Digital Humanities@Oxford Summer School 2011. It occurred to me that, >> thanks to the incredible improvements have been made in eXist, a seminar >> like those would be so much more effective today. I spent easily the first >> hour helping people with setting up eXist, connecting it to oXygen, and >> installing the sample Punch application. Now, between eXist's new default >> "apps" directory, the powerful and free eXide app for writing apps in the >> browser, and eXist's new Package Manager for installing new applications and >> libraries, all of that setup and configuration could be skipped - leaving >> much more time for instruction and exploration. These same improvements >> benefit not just first time learners, but the entire community. Today, it's >> so much faster to get up and running, developing applications, and sharing >> them with others >> >> >> >> Second, I kept hearing from folks online and at the conference that the >> Punch application I used at the seminars was still useful. On the plane >> back from the conference and in the days since, I've worked on updating >> Punch to use some more modern frameworks in eXist, and I've re-released the >> app as a .xar file (EXPath Package) - easily installable via the Dashboard. >> Pull requests and suggestions are welcome. >> >> >> >> Best regards to all, >> >> Joe >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:40:30 -0500 >> From: Winona Salesky <wsa...@gm...> >> Subject: Re: [eXist-TEIXML] Back from #TEIConf2014 >> To: Joe Wicentowski <jo...@gm...> >> Cc: exist-teixml <exi...@li...> >> Message-ID: >> >> <CAJthYRd_z_fKsKAgrD76iY6ou77UR_y_TfWWtUDSA=3Kz...@ma...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> We are using TEI and eXist in an ongoing project I am working on; >> http://syriaca.org/ (code and data is available on github: >> https://github.com/srophe/srophe-eXist-app). Content currently available >> includes a bibliography, a gazetteer and a prosopography with more modules >> in development, including some sort of editing pipeline. We have been very >> pleased with the integration and what we have been able to build so far. >> >> I have also been involved with an effort to teach xquery to digital >> humanists, and we used eXist for our teaching platform. >> >> I look forward to hearing about other projects in development. I was >> particularly interested in Martin's presentation (pdf version) on >> CodeSharing and have passed it along to my colleagues, I think could be a >> useful tool as our TEI markup strategies develop. >> >> -Winona Salesky >> >> ----------------------------------- >> Winona Salesky >> Consultant >> wsalesky.com >> wsa...@gm... >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Joe Wicentowski <jo...@gm...> wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > It was great to meet and see many of you again at the TEI Annual Meeting >> > at Northwestern the week before last. For those who couldn't make it, >> > the >> > conference Twitter hash tag has tons of great material. >> > >> > Peter Stadler and I were chatting about this list, the community of TEI >> > and eXist users, and we thought this would be a good opportunity for >> > everyone to check in and say a few words about how you are doing. What >> > are >> > you working on these days? How is it going? Lessons? Questions? >> > >> > A few things occurred to me about the state of TEI and eXist: >> > >> > First, this list was launched after the eXist seminars at TEI@Oxford >> > 2010 >> > and Digital Humanities@Oxford Summer School 2011. It occurred to me >> > that, thanks to the incredible improvements have been made in eXist, a >> > seminar like those would be so much more effective today. I spent >> > easily >> > the first hour helping people with setting up eXist, connecting it to >> > oXygen, and installing the sample Punch application. Now, between >> > eXist's >> > new default "apps" directory, the powerful and free eXide app for >> > writing >> > apps in the browser, and eXist's new Package Manager for installing new >> > applications and libraries, all of that setup and configuration could be >> > skipped - leaving much more time for instruction and exploration. These >> > same improvements benefit not just first time learners, but the entire >> > community. Today, it's so much faster to get up and running, developing >> > applications, and sharing them with others >> > >> > Second, I kept hearing from folks online and at the conference that the >> > Punch application I used at the seminars was still useful. On the plane >> > back from the conference and in the days since, I've worked on updating >> > Punch to use some more modern frameworks in eXist, and I've re-released >> > the >> > app as a .xar file (EXPath Package) - easily installable via the >> > Dashboard. Pull requests and suggestions are welcome. >> > >> > Best regards to all, >> > Joe >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > eXist-TEIXML mailing list >> > eXi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-teixml >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eXist-TEIXML mailing list >> eXi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-teixml >> >> >> End of eXist-TEIXML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 2 >> ******************************************* > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > eXist-TEIXML mailing list > eXi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-teixml > -- Adam Retter eXist Developer { United Kingdom } ad...@ex... irc://irc.freenode.net/existdb |