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Re: [Espeak-general] Help with Polytonic Greek Still Needed
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From: Eleni V. <elv...@gm...> - 2016-01-29 21:52:40
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Okay. Here is the note. The first comment is the guide on writing in polytonic with a Windows keyboard, (I am still working on it, but the original links are also posted), and the last comment contains all of the letters which still will not read. It's a long list, which is why I didn't post everything here. https://m.facebook.com/notes/eleni-vamvakari/polytonic-writing-guide/10153233726632371/?refid=21&_ft_ I can't tell you precisely why it does this, but I can say that the corrections that Jonathan made allow accented letters to read properly, both in words and when going by character. However, there are still a few cases where it just says tonos if the letter is isolated from a word. So my guess is that it has to do with the coding itself. On 29/01/2016, kendell clark <cof...@gm...> wrote: > hi > What I personally would do is post your note to the espeak list itself. > I can't remember if I posted it to the list or not or replied to you > directly when you posted the URLs and the list of characters. I'm > beginning to wonder if your experiencing an espeak issue or an NVDA one. > Since this happens in linux as well, I'm leaning toward an espeak one, > though why espeak should announce characters different when navigating > by character or word than it does when navigating by line I don't know. > I thought it was a speech-dispatcher issue, which is the sapi equivalent > for linux, but now I'm not so sure. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 1/29/2016 1:38 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: >> I agree. If we are going to do this as a group, it will be important >> for us to check each one off once it is completed and to mark certain >> ones as (in progress) when they will read but still need work. The >> sample that I gave here was a small one, and only those now read in >> some fashion. There are still many others which will not. Should I >> copy and paste the comment from my note, containing the letters which >> aren't accessible, into an e-mail and send it, send it as an >> attachment, or just repost the link to the note itself? >> >> On 29/01/2016, ChrisLeo <ll...@gm...> wrote: >>> Well... >>> I think should be added these characters on el_list, such as J >>> Duddington made for several characters with accents and tonos. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> Eleni Vamvakari, 29/01/2016 17:09: >>>> Thank you, Chris. That made sense, and I was able to follow it >>>> exactly. *smile* Running this test version, from my list of >>>> inaccessible letters, only these now work. But even then, as you >>>> stated, if I go over them with the left and right arrow keys, they >>>> still read as jibberish. When using the up and down arrows, some will >>>> read as letters with no accents, and others simply say "tonos" after >>>> the letter, which tells me very little. >>>> >>>> Ῥ >>>> Ᾱ >>>> Ῑ >>>> Ῡ >>>> Ᾰ >>>> Ῐ >>>> Ῠ >>>> ᾴ >>>> ῄ >>>> ῴ >>>> ᾲ >>>> ῂ >>>> ῲ >>>> ᾷ >>>> ῇ >>>> ῤ >>>> ᾤ >>>> ᾢ >>>> ᾦ >>>> ᾡ >>>> ᾥ >>>> ᾣ >>>> ᾧ >>>> ᾱ >>>> ῑ >>>> ῡ >>>> ᾰ >>>> ῐ >>>> ῠ >>>> >>>> For example, all of these words now read correctly, except when >>>> reading by letter. >>>> >>>> κριτῇ >>>> κλῂς >>>> τιμᾷ >>>> φῂς >>>> φῄς· >>>> πῄ >>>> δηλωθῇ >>>> ἐκφρασθῇ >>>> >>>> On 28/01/2016, ChrisLeo <ll...@gm...> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> yes the snapshot called Next is a development version of NVDA that >>>>> includes espeak-ng. >>>>> In espeak-ng there are the old fix by Jonathan Duddington and the >>>>> recently added by Reece for greek language. >>>>> For this I suggested to use the next snapshot for a better test. >>>>> I'll explain step to step: >>>>> 1. Download the next snapshot from this direct link: >>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/snapshots/next/nvda_snapshot_next-13187,49a1c52.exe >>>>> >>>>> 2. Create a version portable in a new folder. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Replace the file el_dict with the file attached in this mail. >>>>> You find el_dict used on NVDA in this Folder location: >>>>> ""...nvda\synthDrivers\espeak-data\"". >>>>> >>>>> 4. Press on nvda.exe to run and test nvda next. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the same procedure that I use for testing espeak-ng on NVDA >>>>> for >>>>> italian language. >>>>> For any clarification do not hesitate to ask me. >>>>> I notice that there are any >>>>> remaining issues with Polytonic support, >>>>> when read with right and left arrow some characters are not >>>>> recognized. >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris. >>>>> >>>>> Eleni Vamvakari, 27/01/2016 23:56: >>>>>> Forgive me, but as I said, I know nothing of programming, compiling, >>>>>> etc. I have downloaded and created portable copies of NVDA in the >>>>>> past. But what do you mean here? Is this snapshot a test version, >>>>>> and if so, do you want me to just include the modified version that >>>>>> I'm using now for you to test? Would it be the same if I just gave >>>>>> you a regular portable version but with the included files? I'm >>>>>> confused. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27/01/2016, ChrisLeo <ll...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> NVDA can compile Espeak-ng from nvda-next source. >>>>>>> It's needed replace el_rules due in NVDA source is not yet updated >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> latest espeak-ng master. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To test last commit by Reece for greek language on NVDA I suggest >>>>>>> download and create a portable version of last NVDA Next snapshot, >>>>>>> then I can compile and send you the el_dic file needed. >>>>>>> Tell me soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> kendell clark, 27/01/2016 10:52: >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> That's because you have to compile the new rules file into a >>>>>>>> dictionary >>>>>>>> file. To do that, you'll need to run espeak --compile=el. I'm not >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> if the nvda espeak can do this, I suspect not. You'll need to >>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>> the sapi5 version of espeak from >>>>>>>> http://espeak.sf.net/test/latest.html, >>>>>>>> until espeak-ng gets released, which hasn't happened yet. >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> Kendell clark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01/26/2016 10:43 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: >>>>>>>>> I replaced all the text in my el-reules file with the text in >>>>>>>>> yours >>>>>>>>> and notice no difference. It still won't read any of the symbols >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> combinations in the last comment of my guide, linked to earlier. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 26/01/2016, Eleni Vamvakari <elv...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I returned to the link that you gave me and located the >>>>>>>>>> espeak-ng-master.zip file. I downloaded it and unzipped it but >>>>>>>>>> couldn't find any kind of setup, install, or .exe files. I am >>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>> to either replace my el-rules file with the new one or I'll just >>>>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>>>> the additional text to the one that I already have, and test it. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> isn't the one that I'm using in NVDA as my default, so it won't >>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>> any problems. I'll keep everyone updated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Eleni >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 26/01/2016, Reece Dunn <ms...@go...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Resending this to the list as the last one bounced due to the >>>>>>>>>>> body >>>>>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>>>>> (I >>>>>>>>>>> have removed the history). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2016 at 18:08, Eleni Vamvakari >>>>>>>>>>> <elv...@gm...> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the link, but it doesn't appear to be a stand-alone >>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer. >>>>>>>>>>> It is a stand-alone synthesizer (see below). The espeak-ng >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>>>> on the espeak source code with a large amount of clean-up work >>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>> to it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It asked me to download something called Github, which >>>>>>>>>>>> only works with Windows 7 and later, and which sounds visual, >>>>>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the description. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> GitHub is the hosting platform for the source code (like >>>>>>>>>>> SouceForge). >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> provide a client for Windows, but you can use the standard git >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>> client. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The direct link to the el_rule file I made changes to is at >>>>>>>>>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/master/dictsource/el_rules. >>>>>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you tested this locally to see if there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> remaining issues with Polytonic support. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/01/2016, Eleni Vamvakari <elv...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> But will this work with NVDA? >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. NVDA are currently testing a build of espeak-ng to use in >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>> official release. Additionally, I am keeping espeak-ng >>>>>>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> espeak so you can use it as a drop-in replacement. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> - Reece >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Facebook: elv...@gm... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Youtube: Eleni Vamvakari >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Site24x7 APM Insight: Get Deep Visibility into Application >>>>>>>> Performance >>>>>>>> APM + Mobile APM + RUM: Monitor 3 App instances at just $35/Month >>>>>>>> Monitor end-to-end web transactions and take corrective actions now >>>>>>>> Troubleshoot faster and improve end-user experience. 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