Re: [Espeak-general] espeak-zh multiple tone 3s

[黄冠能 <hg...@ya...>]

Dear Silas,

I really appreciate your questions. I never think of them before.

In my opinion, it depends on what you want to focus and whether you taken some characters as a word or two.

> 把保险取消 (ba3 bao3xian3 qu3xiao1, "to cancel an insurance policy") is spoken more like "ba3 bao2xian3 qu3xiao1"
Try asking native speakers about "ba2 bao2xian3 qu3xiao1". They may not reply you "definitely wrong".
Try asking how "快点把保险取消" (to cancel an insurance policy as soon as possible) is spoken. Native speakers may doubt whether it can be spoken in several ways.

Don't take my opinion serious. As you know, I am not native speaker.

(1) 我想请您 ("I want to invite you") - 
"wǒ xiáng qǐng nín" - put some focus on "I". It's I who want to invite you.
"wó xiǎng qǐng nín" - put some focus on "want". I really want to invite you.

(2) 美语补习班 (American English cram schools in Taiwan) -
Méiyǔ bǔxíbān - right
Měiyú bǔxíbān - wrong
Méiyú bǔxíbān - right

(3) 可以讨论 ("can discuss") - 
kéyǐ tǎolùn - right
kěyí tǎolùn - wrong
kéyí tǎolùn - right

 
(4) 次力量给你保持忍耐 ("give you the power to endure") - 
...gěi ní bǎochí..., - right
...géi nǐ bǎochí..., - wrong
...géi ní bǎochí... - right

(5) 教导你使你得益处 ("teach you to your benefit") - 
jiàodáo nǐ shí nǐ dé yìchu - right
jiàodǎo nǐ shí nǐ dé yìchu - wrong

(6) 只有少数人 ("only a few people") - 
zhǐyóu shǎoshùrén - wrong
zhíyǒu shǎoshùrén - right
zhíyóu shǎoshùrén - right

(7) 可有可无 ("not essential") - is it said
kěyóu-kěwú - wrong
kéyǒu-kěwú - right. " 可有" and "可无" are taken as two words.
kéyóu-kěwú - right. "可有可无" is taken as a word.

(8) 至少有两个 ("at least two") - 
zhìshǎo yóu liǎng gè, - right
zhìsháo yǒu liǎng gè,  - wrong
zhìsháo yóu liǎng gè? - wrong

(9) 令人难以理解的 ("make it hard for people to understand") - 
lìngrén nányǐ líjiě de, - right
lìngrén nányí líjiě de, - wrong
lìngrén nányí lǐjiě de? - wrong

(10) 可以怎样效法 ("how can it be imitated") - 
kěyí zěnyàng..., - wrong
kéyǐ zěnyàng..., - right
kéyí zěnyàng...? - right

(11) 什么方法可以改善 ("what method can improve") - 
shénme fāngfǎ kéyǐ gǎishàn,- right
shénme fāngfá kěyí gǎishàn, - wrong

(12) 可以改善 by itself - 
kéyǐ gǎishàn, - right
kěyí gǎishàn, - wrong
kéyí gǎishàn? - right

黄冠能(Cameron Wong)
http://e-guidedog.sf.net



----- 原始邮件 ----
发件人： Silas S. Brown <ss...@ca...>
收件人： esp...@li...
已发送： 2009/1/16(周五), 下午10:05:23
主题： Re: [Espeak-general] espeak-zh multiple tone 3s

More examples of real Chinese phrases with 3 or
more consecutive 3rd-tones to consider:

(1) 我想请您 ("I want to invite you") - is
it said as "wǒ xiáng qǐng nín", "wó xiǎng
qǐng nín", or "wó xiáng qǐng nín"?

(2) 美语补习班 (American English cram
schools in Taiwan) - is it said as Méiyǔ
bǔxíbān, Měiyú bǔxíbān, or Méiyú
bǔxíbān?

(3) 可以讨论 ("can discuss") - is it said
as kéyǐ tǎolùn, kěyí tǎolùn, or kéyí
tǎolùn?

(4) 次力量给你保持忍耐 ("give you the
power to endure") - is it said as ...gěi ní
bǎochí..., ...géi nǐ bǎochí..., or
...géi ní bǎochí... ?

(5) 教导你使你得益处 ("teach you to
your benefit") - is it said as jiàodáo nǐ
shí nǐ dé yìchu or jiàodǎo nǐ shí nǐ
dé yìchu (or something else)?

(6) 只有少数人 ("only a few people") - is
it said as zhǐyóu shǎoshùrén, zhíyǒu
shǎoshùrén, or zhíyóu shǎoshùrén?

(7) 可有可无 ("not essential") - is it said
as kěyóu-kěwú, kéyǒu-kěwú, or
kéyóu-kěwú?

(8) 至少有两个 ("at least two") - is it
said as zhìshǎo yóu liǎng gè, zhìsháo
yǒu liǎng gè, or zhìsháo yóu liǎng gè? 
(Note that 少有 is a valid word, which could
confuse the segmentation here.)

(9) 令人难以理解的 ("make it hard for
people to understand") - is it said as
lìngrén nányǐ líjiě de, lìngrén nányí
líjiě de, or lìngrén nányí lǐjiě de?

(10) 可以怎样效法 ("how can it be
imitated") - is it said as kěyí zěnyàng...,
kéyǐ zěnyàng..., or kéyí zěnyàng...?

(11) 什么方法可以改善 ("what method can
improve") - is it said as shénme fāngfǎ
kéyǐ gǎishàn, shénme fāngfá kěyí
gǎishàn, shénme fāngfǎ kéyǐ gǎishàn,
or something else?

(12) 可以改善 by itself - is it said as
kéyǐ gǎishàn, kěyí gǎishàn, or kéyí
gǎishàn?

Silas

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