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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-13 04:29:09
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> What about someone like me who often only checks e-mail every > other day (weird work schedual)? Well the daemon runs in the background all the time. But if you only activated the daemon every other day then you wouldn't have any problems unless you were checking/sending mail around midnight, GMT. That's when the problem would occur. |
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-12 23:07:32
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>>>>> "MJR" == Mark J Roberts <mj...@st...> writes:
MJR> Does it stop authenticating any new connections? I've seen
MJR> that bug.
You get it as an Authentication error, but I remember investigating
this and I think it's actually a connection error or a timeout.
~Mr. Bad
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From: Mark J. R. <mj...@st...> - 2001-01-12 22:38:24
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On 12 Jan 2001, Mr.Bad wrote: > >>>>> "TM" == Timm Murray <ad...@ma...> writes: > > TM> If you want to work on this, feel free. I've got a script > TM> somewhere in CVS for this. > > Timm, > > I started doing something similar for the latest release of Potato > (which doesn't suffer from the problem of updating the packages file, > obviously). > > My node consistently fails after a few hundred inserts, though. So > that's no good. How did you make yours work? I used freenetmirror. Does it stop authenticating any new connections? I've seen that bug. -- Mark Roberts mj...@st... |
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-12 22:16:58
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>>>>> "TM" == Timm Murray <ad...@ma...> writes:
TM> If you want to work on this, feel free. I've got a script
TM> somewhere in CVS for this.
Timm,
I started doing something similar for the latest release of Potato
(which doesn't suffer from the problem of updating the packages file,
obviously).
My node consistently fails after a few hundred inserts, though. So
that's no good. How did you make yours work? I used freenetmirror.
~Mr. Bad
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-01-12 21:55:03
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I am working on this, but have put it aside to work on FNS. I will also be doing an article on it in the Linux Journal. I don't have a link to the original document on it, but all you need to do this is FProxy and a node. FProxy communicates to the browser via HTTP, and since apt already understands HTTP, we=20 can hack together apt-get over Freenet without any new code. See eof.sourceforge.net/APT (I think) for more info. If you want to work on this, feel free. I've got a script somewhere in CVS for this. toad wrote on 1/9/01 6:08 pm: >Hi. I am interested in=20 >apt-over-freenet. .DEBs=20 >consist of an ar archive of a=20 >tiny file called=20 >"debian-binary", and 2=20 >tar.gz's data.tar.gz and=20 >control.tar.gz. I think we=20 >could make much finer=20 >grained debian updating by=20 >exposing the files inside.=20 >Store with the Packages file=20 >a couple extra fields, CHK:=20 >(for the whole .DEB), and=20 >CHK-Index: (another CHK=20 >for the package index file).=20 >The package index file is=20 >basically an MSK, including=20 >the actual content of=20 >debian-binary and mappings=20 >from filename to CHK for=20 >each file in each .tar.gz. It=20 >may include filters (gzip,=20 >bzip2, none) for each. So a=20 >comma-delimited list of=20 >filename, encoding, CHK,=20 >with a separator for=20 >data.tar.gz and=20 >control.tar.gz (a line with no=20 >commas in, just the tarfile=20 >name). No good for=20 >bootstrapping, but once you=20 >have a working debian install=20 >with a fred node, it could=20 >save much bandwidth (it=20 >might be a good idea to=20 >include a size figure for each=20 >file in the package index file=20 >too - so clients can decide to=20 >go for the whole .DEB if=20 >appropriate). The sub-files=20 >will not expire because,=20 >assuming the package index=20 >file survives, they will be=20 >reinserted by clients if not=20 >found. The extra indirection=20 >gives even more latency,=20 >but the total bytes=20 >transferred should be much=20 >less given a reasonable=20 >datastore and the quantity=20 >of packages in woody that=20 >change one file in a large=20 >package. Use enough parallel=20 >requests and it should work=20 >fine. I may have a go at=20 >coding this later, I should=20 >have a working node soon. I=20 >would start by making a=20 >whole-site (for given arch)=20 >mirror over freenet; it would=20 >be better to eventually=20 >determine what packages=20 >are selected in dselect; this=20 >would require another fetch=20 >method, rather than reusing=20 >apt. Comments? Anyone else=20 >working on this? > >_____________________________ >__________________ Eof-dev=20 >mailing list >Eo...@li...urceforge.n >et >http://lists.sourceforge.net/ >mailman/listinfo/eof-dev > =0A= Timm Murray=0A= =0A= -----------=0A= Great spirits have allways encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds=0A= --Albert Einstein |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-01-12 21:55:03
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As soon as it works. My stuff (FNS) seems to be the least developed so far. Right now I am adding the real functionality to it on the DNS side of things. Then I'll rewrite FClient.java (which FNS uses for the Freenet side of things) to use SimplifiedClient and add stuff to SimplifiedClient that I need (this is what I probably should have done in the first place). Anyway, its coming around. The original doc for it needs to be rewritten, but I'll do that after I get things working. Ian Clarke wrote on 1/9/01 5:49 pm: >* There are 1 file(s)=20 >attached to this message on=20 >your Desktop. > >Hi All, > >When are we going to get=20 >downloadable distros so that=20 >others can try out this=20 >seemingly cool stuff (since=20 >anon CVS seems to be=20 >borked). > >Ian. =0A= Timm Murray=0A= =0A= -----------=0A= Great spirits have allways encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds=0A= --Albert Einstein |
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From: Timm M. <ad...@ma...> - 2001-01-12 21:55:01
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What about someone like me who often only checks e-mail every other day (weird work schedual)? Brandon wrote on 1/8/01 10:57 pm: > >So here's a question. It's=20 >12:00am your time. Your=20 >mail server just switched=20 >dates. The keys it's using to=20 >read mail say Jan 9th.=20 >However, at >11:59pm, Jan 8th, someone=20 >started to send you an=20 >e-mail. It finished at >12:00am, Jan 9th, but the=20 >key it used was for Jan 8th.=20 >You will never receive this=20 >e-mail because you mail=20 >server is already checking=20 >Jan 9th. > >Do we have the mail server=20 >keep checking Jan 8th for a=20 >bit, or do we have the mail=20 >sender send to Jan 9th if it's=20 >precariously close to the=20 >crossover point. Either way,=20 >how much leeway do we=20 >leave? 30 minutes? > > > >_____________________________ >__________________ Eof-dev=20 >mailing list >Eo...@li...urceforge.n >et >http://lists.sourceforge.net/ >mailman/listinfo/eof-dev =0A= Timm Murray=0A= =0A= -----------=0A= Great spirits have allways encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds=0A= --Albert Einstein |
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From: toad <ma...@to...> - 2001-01-10 02:07:31
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Hi. I am interested in apt-over-freenet. .DEBs consist of an ar archive of = a tiny file called "debian-binary", and 2 tar.gz's data.tar.gz and control.= tar.gz. I think we could make much finer grained debian updating by exposin= g the files inside. Store with the Packages file a couple extra fields, CHK= : (for the whole .DEB), and CHK-Index: (another CHK for the package index f= ile). The package index file is basically an MSK, including the actual cont= ent of debian-binary and mappings from filename to CHK for each file in eac= h .tar.gz. It may include filters (gzip, bzip2, none) for each. So a comma-= delimited list of filename, encoding, CHK, with a separator for data.tar.gz= and control.tar.gz (a line with no commas in, just the tarfile name). No g= ood for bootstrapping, but once you have a working debian install with a fr= ed node, it could save much bandwidth (it might be a good idea to include a= size figure for each file in the package index file too - so clients can d= ecide to go for the whole .DEB if appropriate). The sub-files will not expi= re because, assuming the package index file survives, they will be reinsert= ed by clients if not found. The extra indirection gives even more latency, = but the total bytes transferred should be much less given a reasonable data= store and the quantity of packages in woody that change one file in a large= package. Use enough parallel requests and it should work fine. I may have = a go at coding this later, I should have a working node soon. I would start= by making a whole-site (for given arch) mirror over freenet; it would be b= etter to eventually determine what packages are selected in dselect; this w= ould require another fetch method, rather than reusing apt. Comments? Anyon= e else working on this? |
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-10 01:59:19
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>>>>> "B" == Brandon <bl...@ut...> writes:
>> When are we going to get downloadable distros so that others
>> can try out this seemingly cool stuff (since anon CVS seems to
>> be borked).
B> I think Mr. Bad is working on that.
He certainly is. Should be fixed up tonight or tomorrow AM (PST). I'll
send a message here when it is.
~Mr. Bad
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-10 01:54:05
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> Yep, anon CVS is horribly fucked. Brandon, *please* fix this. Suggestions would be nice. I have absolutely no idea what is wrong. Even an hint of what to try would be helpful. |
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-10 01:53:21
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> When are we going to get downloadable distros so that others can try out > this seemingly cool stuff (since anon CVS seems to be borked). I think Mr. Bad is working on that. |
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From: Mark J. R. <mj...@st...> - 2001-01-10 01:52:22
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Ian Clarke wrote: > Hi All, > > When are we going to get downloadable distros so that others can try out > this seemingly cool stuff (since anon CVS seems to be borked). Yep, anon CVS is horribly fucked. Brandon, *please* fix this. -- Mark Roberts mj...@st... |
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From: Ian C. <ia...@oc...> - 2001-01-10 01:48:17
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Hi All, When are we going to get downloadable distros so that others can try out this seemingly cool stuff (since anon CVS seems to be borked). Ian. |
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-09 06:56:31
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So here's a question. It's 12:00am your time. Your mail server just switched dates. The keys it's using to read mail say Jan 9th. However, at 11:59pm, Jan 8th, someone started to send you an e-mail. It finished at 12:00am, Jan 9th, but the key it used was for Jan 8th. You will never receive this e-mail because you mail server is already checking Jan 9th. Do we have the mail server keep checking Jan 8th for a bit, or do we have the mail sender send to Jan 9th if it's precariously close to the crossover point. Either way, how much leeway do we leave? 30 minutes? |
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-09 06:52:00
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Okay, so here are some ideas. First of all, a mail URI has a mailbox ID as part of it. This is so that if you've been future-spammed, you can move your mailbox without having to actually move your mailbox. It's like having mailbox ARKs. So your f-mail address is your subspace public key. Somewhere in your subspace you stick your current mailbox id. It's found via some sort of weird telescoping date-redirecting that I will talk about later. Nevermind that. Anyway, to send mail you fetch the mailbox id, stick it together with the public key and today's date, and version number and try inserting until it works (incrementing the version number, of course). How does this sound? I'm wavering on whether it's worth it to include the PKI stuff when we have PGP. But then I don't really want people to have the ability to send me unencrypted mail, either. Tough decisions. Ease-of-use vs. security. Plus it's just a pain in the ass to code this stuff. |
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From: Mark J. R. <mj...@st...> - 2001-01-09 01:57:12
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On 8 Jan 2001, Mr.Bad wrote: > Hey, would anybody freak out if I reorged the CVS repository into one > big directory? Like... [snip] Do you have to use that stupid ant crap? It's weird and I don't know how to use it, and who wants to learn weird stuff like that just to compile a fucking program? Yuck. Use a boring makefile. (I hate makefiles, too, but at least I understand them enough to get by.) Or a dumb little shell script. BTW, how's freenetmirror coming along? And any plans to put it in a more normal place? -- Mark Roberts mj...@st... |
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-08 23:09:02
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> Hey, would anybody freak out if I reorged the CVS repository into one > big directory? Like... Well, if it must be so then I think I can handle it. |
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-08 23:05:12
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Hey, would anybody freak out if I reorged the CVS repository into one
big directory? Like...
eof
build.xml -> ant build file
doc -> docs go here
src -> src files
eof
smtp
util
pop
...
I can do this tomorrow if it's OK with all.
~Mr. Bad
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-08 22:28:07
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> Seriously, I'll put an ant file in there and you can build with > ant. We should probably just standardize on using ant for all the eof > stuff. Sounds good to me. > Do we want to put together separate packages (FNS, mail (SMTP/POP3), > news), or should they all be part of one release? Tough call. I think they're small enough that one package would not be obnoxious. |
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-08 22:19:39
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>>>>> "TM" == Timm Murray <ad...@ma...> writes:
TM> I haven't even attempted to compile FNS stuff (under DNS/ in
TM> our CVS). I was also planning to pass a list of files to be
TM> compiled to javac (with the @ option) instead of a makefile.
TM> Any reasons why I shouldn't?
Because it's lame. B-)
Seriously, I'll put an ant file in there and you can build with
ant. We should probably just standardize on using ant for all the eof
stuff.
Do we want to put together separate packages (FNS, mail (SMTP/POP3),
news), or should they all be part of one release?
~Mr. Bad
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-08 21:19:18
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> So, hey, why don't you take a look at the freenetmail package? I did but I just got confused. :-) As far as I can tell you retrieval code iterates through days until today and iterates message numbers through that. But I can't figure out how it switches from one day to another since it seems to actually break when it can't find a messages for the given key. I think I'll post my crazy new ideas for the crazy new mail system being hammered out for some reason of the freenet-dev list for feedback. |
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-08 21:05:44
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> >> I haven't tried the new one yet. Is a flat namespace the best > >> we can do? > > B> What would you prefer? > > Each piece of mail goes under "mailbox/organization/name/YYYY-M-D/I", > where YYYY-M-D is the current GMT date and I is an iterator based on > how much mail is in your box today. So by not flat you mean date-based URIs? That's certainly planned. |
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-08 18:15:40
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>>>>> "B" == Brandon <bl...@ut...> writes:
B> If you feel like hacking some, the main problem with my stuff
B> currently is that it doesn't take date into account. This is
B> because it seems like a grand pain because you have to
B> determine 1) what date to start checking mail at, and 2) when
B> to stop checking today's date. (some messages might have gotten
B> accidentally put in the wrong day if it's near midnight. Unless
B> such a thing is made impossible, which is another question.)
B> So any advice on this subject in writing or code would be much
B> appreciated.
So, hey, why don't you take a look at the freenetmail package?
~Mr. Bad
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From: Mr.Bad <mr...@pi...> - 2001-01-08 18:14:07
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>>>>> "B" == Brandon <bl...@ut...> writes:
>> I haven't tried the new one yet. Is a flat namespace the best
>> we can do?
B> What would you prefer?
(I redirected this from devl).
The freenetmail program uses "mailbox/organization/name" as the
mailbox "directory."
Each piece of mail goes under "mailbox/organization/name/YYYY-M-D/I",
where YYYY-M-D is the current GMT date and I is an iterator based on
how much mail is in your box today.
I'm still trying to figure out how the POP/SMTP stuff works.
~Mr. Bad
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\ <vvv> If it's not crazy, don't say it." - Ben Franklin
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From: Brandon <bl...@ut...> - 2001-01-08 09:54:13
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Well, I can send and receive mail with Netscape mail. Newsgroups are still a little borked, but I'm working on it. However, running the daemons for a bit seems to make my node stop responding, which kind of sucks. I'm not seeing excess load on my machine. It just stops responding. |
