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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-06-06 01:40:04
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Regarding plugin for Arena - I let the "Karma" aka "User Points" sit at the bottom of my site. The phpbb14 plugin works just fine since Arena is just a fork of phpbb14. An overhaul would be nice, my site is quite slow on the traffic and load side so I don't know much about the poor performance from that aspect. However, my only main gripe about the block is having to hit the "update" link to refresh the stats displayed. -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of Scott Kindley Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:31 PM To: Evolution-Dev-List Subject: [Envolution-devel] What are your thoughts on User Point's module? There hasn't been much activity about the User Point's module in quite somee time. However from time to time there are a few posts about it over at portalzine.de Seems this module Brian authored is still kinda popular. I even have a polish translation submitted by a member a long time ago that we never got around to including since we didn't have a full Polish translation for Envolution. User Point's module will needs some updating and fine tuning to modernize it as it pretty much fell stagnate back around the Envo 1.0 stage. Maybe this module is due for an overhaul. Some of the problems with the module in general is it's ability to scale with large sites. The more members you have the more resources rewuired to keep the point standings sync'd and accurate. It also needs a plugin written for it for the Arena forum. That really isn't that hard to do. So what are your thoughts on this module? Zoom ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-06 01:14:04
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I agree I think Capretta can be our Doc. Manager because he talk Italian= English and French language and because i know how he work very hard, and also because... he is prof in= school and not work very much LOL so he have lot of time and energy to give us LOL TiMax On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:15:38 +0200, capra wrote: > ciao from capretta (A. Gagliani), > I'm working around documentation for Postnuke.it > first, then for eNvolution.it since over two years. > I speak italian, of course, good german and good > english (I hope). > Some proposal s on document management for > eNvolution: > I think we need a document manager for every > supported language: in the beginning surely for english,= german, french and > italian language. The tasks are to coordinate and manage= translations and > contributions in his language. > I will do it, as I'm just doing it, for > Italy. > Over these persons there has to be one or more > general coordinators of documentation, who has to look for= the work to do, > coordinate and manage it and contact the single language= managers. These could > best be the same aboved mentioned language coordinators, who= works in > team. > We have on out italian site lots of documentation > that could be useful also in other languages, and also on= german site they have > their own documentation that others could use, and so= on...... > It's not easy to find translators who help for a > longer time (in my experience...), but often they are helpful= for single > projects. In other cases, WIKI is more productive, because= even users that > aren't staff writers or translators can help in their free 10= minutes in a > translation with no kind of responsability of work due. WIKI= is also a good tool > for collaborative production of documentation, that was= produced until now by > the hard work of lonesome writers.... > Another proposal on documentation: on italian site > we putted a section called Contributions, where we collect= little guides and > manuals sent by normal users on their own experiences with= evrything belongs to > CMS (servers, modules, tips, and so on) and it's going well. > I think I can manage with document management also > for international net in a collaborative and multilingual= team. > I'm also intersted in e-learning and e-commerce > integration in eNvolution, but this will be the next step.... > ciao, > capretta |
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From: capra <ca...@op...> - 2003-06-06 00:32:55
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ciao from capretta (A. Gagliani), I'm working around documentation for Postnuke.it first, then for = eNvolution.it since over two years.=20 I speak italian, of course, good german and good english (I hope). Some proposal s on document management for eNvolution: I think we need a document manager for every supported language: in the = beginning surely for english, german, french and italian language. The = tasks are to coordinate and manage translations and contributions in his = language. I will do it, as I'm just doing it, for Italy. Over these persons there has to be one or more general coordinators of = documentation, who has to look for the work to do, coordinate and manage = it and contact the single language managers. These could best be the = same aboved mentioned language coordinators, who works in team. We have on out italian site lots of documentation that could be useful = also in other languages, and also on german site they have their own = documentation that others could use, and so on...... It's not easy to find translators who help for a longer time (in my = experience...), but often they are helpful for single projects. In other = cases, WIKI is more productive, because even users that aren't staff = writers or translators can help in their free 10 minutes in a = translation with no kind of responsability of work due. WIKI is also a = good tool for collaborative production of documentation, that was = produced until now by the hard work of lonesome writers.... Another proposal on documentation: on italian site we putted a section = called Contributions, where we collect little guides and manuals sent by = normal users on their own experiences with evrything belongs to CMS = (servers, modules, tips, and so on) and it's going well. I think I can manage with document management also for international net = in a collaborative and multilingual team.=20 I'm also intersted in e-learning and e-commerce integration in = eNvolution, but this will be the next step.... ciao, capretta |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 20:48:15
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Ok boys ... Please stop to commit in eNvoltion 1.2 branch in CVS This week end i work around installation procedure and package to= release 1.2.5 version and i hope also when Stefan stop to sleep he want to help me in this work lol So we hope to be able next week to make fast beta test and= release eNvolution 1.2.5 version. In next days we open new branch to continue developement of= eNvolution 1.3 TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 19:32:57
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There hasn't been much activity about the User Point's module in quite somee time. However from time to time there are a few posts about it over at portalzine.de Seems this module Brian authored is still kinda popular. I even have a polish translation submitted by a member a long time ago that we never got around to including since we didn't have a full Polish translation for Envolution. User Point's module will needs some updating and fine tuning to modernize it as it pretty much fell stagnate back around the Envo 1.0 stage. Maybe this module is due for an overhaul. Some of the problems with the module in general is it's ability to scale with large sites. The more members you have the more resources rewuired to keep the point standings sync'd and accurate. It also needs a plugin written for it for the Arena forum. That really isn't that hard to do. So what are your thoughts on this module? Zoom |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 18:17:04
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A member named ldomingues has volunteered to work on core development and tranlsate into portuguese. Zoom |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 18:15:12
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On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 12:33, TiMax wrote: > They have same idea to put document online ? very strange ...... lol > > http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2426 > > TiMax > Perhaps they are reading the email list! Zoom |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 18:09:02
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They have same idea to put document online ? very strange ......= lol http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Dar= ticle&sid=3D2426 TiMax |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 16:51:45
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Ok you can read here http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo2.html 2 revision of our who is envolution document TiMax |
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From: Martin L. <ma...@ar...> - 2003-06-05 16:22:02
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Looks good to me. Regards Em ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision Oops, my bad -- I had named the file .htm -- there is now a .htm and a .html -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of Stefan Köhler Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:36 AM To: env...@li... Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision @burke: Congratulations. Great work. I think TiMax can get it for publications. If all of you have finished finetuning (sorry, I can't help, I'm not a perfect english man) this document, we have to translate it to several languages, so all site admins and supporters can use it on locale boards. BTW: the HTML-link is dead. WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the > excellent effort put into this document :) > (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) > > I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and > cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused > on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many > statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so > much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I > massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". > > Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the > by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". > > Please review: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html > or download my Word Doc: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc > > These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM > To: env...@li... > Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > > Ok > Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation > document are ready, you can read it > here, > > http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html > > Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish > it asap. > > Please suggest also title ..... > > TiMax > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 15:54:10
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We are sure about that ? >>The majority of the Postnuke developer core resigned and= continued development with their own version of >>a CMS based on Postnuke they call Xaraya. I m not sure ...... maybe we can remplace it with .. other Postnuke developers resigned and continued development= with their own version of >>a CMS based on Postnuke they call Xaraya. TiMax |
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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-06-05 13:17:24
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Oops, my bad -- I had named the file .htm -- there is now a .htm and a .html=20 -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of Stefan K=F6hler Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:36 AM To: env...@li... Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision @burke: Congratulations. Great work. I think TiMax can get it for publications. If all of you have finished finetuning (sorry, I can't help, I'm not a perfect english man) this document, we have to translate it to several languages, so all site admins and supporters can use it on locale boards. BTW: the HTML-link is dead. WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the > excellent effort put into this document :) > (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) > > I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and > cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused > on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many > statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so > much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I > massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". > > Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the > by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". > > Please review: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html > or download my Word Doc: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc > > These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM > To: env...@li... > Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > > Ok > Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation > document are ready, you can read it > here, > > http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html > > Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish > it asap. > > Please suggest also title ..... > > TiMax > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-06-05 12:33:49
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@burke: Congratulations. Great work. I think TiMax can get it for publications. If all of you have finished finetuning (sorry, I can't help, I'm not a perfect english man) this document, we have to translate it to several languages, so all site admins and supporters can use it on locale boards. BTW: the HTML-link is dead. WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the > excellent effort put into this document :) > (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) > > I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and > cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused > on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many > statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so > much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I > massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". > > Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the > by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". > > Please review: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html > or download my Word Doc: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc > > These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM > To: env...@li... > Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > > Ok > Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation > document are ready, you can read it > here, > > http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html > > Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish > it asap. > > Please suggest also title ..... > > TiMax > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-06-05 11:43:13
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Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the excellent effort put into this document :) (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". Please review: http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html or download my Word Doc: http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM To: env...@li... Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision Ok Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation document are ready, you can read it here, http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish it asap. Please suggest also title ..... TiMax ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: M A. S. A. <as...@st...> - 2003-06-05 11:34:06
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I had made some spelling check on the document (as attached). I am very bad in grammar so cannot comment on that. -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 PM To: env...@li... Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision Ok Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation document are ready, you can read it here, http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish it asap. Please suggest also title ..... TiMax ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 08:03:39
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Ok Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of= explanation document are ready, you can read it here, http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can= publish it asap. Please suggest also title ..... TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 07:49:47
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On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 01:54, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> I saw the roadmap, but it's dated august 2002, i believe that to send a
> message that means 'we are alive and kicking' we need to update it also
> considering that maybe we are changing plans; besides we need to publish
> some planned dates, I know that it will be difficult to stick to these
> statement and respect these deadlins, but it gives the people the feeling
> that we work towards a goal.
> To silence people that worry about how 'big it they have', and confront the
> 2 community ("i've got more people than you ....") we could publish the
> roll of the developers with their role (we must admit they did it and it
> gives the appearance of an organized thing) we have a good explanation of
> the roles, but lack the roster of people, think it's the last 20% we need
> to complete the work.
> By
> L
>
I would disagree with publishing dates for releases. It turns out that
people will hold off from installing until the new release comes out
that has a feature or tool they personally want. It also means that if
we do not deliver on the date or before then criticism most certianly
folows becuase the date wasn't kept.
Many large open source projects and companies have policy to NOT publish
release dates for those very reasons. Debian and Red Hat are two off the
top of my head.
What DOES send a signal that we are alive and kicking is activity in the
forums ...OUR forums...and other sites forums where we consistantly talk
positivly about envolution and this fine community.
Frequent updates in news stories on development ideas and experiements
also are good at sending this message to both our community and to
visitors.
I am very please to see that some of our developers are jumping in the
forums and offering answers to end users....if each developer on this
list makes a presence in the forumss just one time each day then people
will KNOW we are active. This alone I believe will pay rewards to our
community by generating more participation from current members who are
inactive or from visitors who are curious.
As for updates to the road map I am not against that. As long as the
underlying principles of longer product life span and development cycle
are not comprimised.
Zoom
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 07:04:00
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http://www.envolution.it/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DDownloads&fi= le=3Dindex&req=3Dgetit&lid=3D185 On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:20:02 +0200, Luc...@cs... wrote: > > can you send me an url? > L > > > |---------+--------------------------------------------> > | | TiMax - Envolution | > | | <web...@en...> | > | | Inviato da: | > | | env...@li...ur| > | | ceforge.net | > | | | > | | | > | | 06/04/2003 07:08 PM | > | | Per favore, rispondere a | > | | envolution-devel | > | | | > |---------+--------------------------------------------> > = >---------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------| > | = | > | Per: <env...@li...> = | > | Cc: = | > | Oggetto: Re: Antw: [Envolution-devel] postWrap = | > = >---------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------| > > > yes > is not easy to manage that .... and i agree with Stefan > > But why postwrap ? try to test also StaticsDocs is not same= thing but > sometimes is better > > TiMax > > On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:07:01 +0200, Stefan Koehler wrote: > > @luca: > > [...] We are going to use postwrap, and guess what, we'll= need to > convert it to Oracle. > > How do we usually proceed with modules not developed by the= envo > community? [...] > > > > This is a fundamental problem. Because if we want to= distribute > 3rd-party-modules including some > changes for eNvo, it is not easy to hold them up-to-date, if= there are some > updates and fixes published by > module-owner. We have to implement them manually into the= modified files. > Or we use these modules as is > (based on xxx, version 123) and develop it in future under= eNvo without the > support of the owner. > > > > [...] Do we try to get the approval of the author? can we= ask him to > accept and include the modifiers on the > source so that it colud be preserved for future releases and= bug fix? [...] > > > > This would be the better way. But it is neccessary to share= all work. > This is a two-way development: > > Owner -> eNvo, eNvo -> owner > > Possible that not all changes would be shared. > > > > [...] Can we try to pull these developers in the envo= community? [...] > > > > And this would be the best way. But not every developer= want to work > only for one community. They have > some different interests, ideas, etc. to distribute their= work. > > But if he want to develop his modules also for eNvo, it= would be > possible, that he can update his changes > on our CVS. So we can share all automatically. > > > > Try it.... ;) > > > > WindMeUp > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of= TotalView, The best > > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread= debugging features > > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at= www.etnus.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Envolution-devel mailing list > > Env...@li... > > = https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of= TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging= features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at= www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-06-05 06:54:02
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From: TiMax - E. <web...@en...> - 2003-06-05 03:59:49
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On 04 Jun 2003 21:15:36 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: > And I am not suggesting we compare CMS's. That is exactly why= I spelled > out in my post that the title of the thread should have been= Envolution > vs FUD instead of Envolution vs PostNuke. Because this is= nothing about > PostNuke. It's about specific people posting inaccurate and= misleading > information which results in people not wanting to try= Envolution! And > that my friend should be unacceptable to everyone= participating in the > Envolution community. yes and that is the problem ... and we loss lot of potential= developers I don't want to start a flame, i don't like flames, and for that= we work to write this document so instead to start flames we can invite people to read this document, if Zoom are= able to decode all my poor english lol TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 02:17:34
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On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 17:06, Stefan K=C3=B6hler wrote: > [...] > ... The opriginal title of this thread should not have been Envolution = vs > PostNuke...instead it should have been: >=20 > Envolution vs FUD > ... > [...] >=20 > No comment. Too late. You made one ;) > I heart from TiMax that you and Max will write a document which explain= s the > features of eNvo in details. > I don't like this kind of discussion. I don't think explaining Envolution's features in detail should be a problem. In order to attract new developers and increase our install base people will have to know these things. This is very evident in our own forums. There are numerous posts which address Envolutions features quite frequently. For example does Envolution work with module "A" or module "B", etc. > We have all seen the results of such unproductive discussions last year= on Postnuke. Had PostNuke published correct information and not marginalized a significant portion of it's community then we wouldn't be here right now and Max, Brandon, Brian, and I would not have created Envolution in the first place. If we don't publish honest and accurate information about own community and the code we publish then we will end up just like PostNuke. > And I think it is very difficult to compare every CMS. And I am not suggesting we compare CMS's. That is exactly why I spelled out in my post that the title of the thread should have been Envolution vs FUD instead of Envolution vs PostNuke. Because this is nothing about PostNuke. It's about specific people posting inaccurate and misleading information which results in people not wanting to try Envolution! And that my friend should be unacceptable to everyone participating in the Envolution community. > So, the best way is to publish the advantages of eNvo and what our comm= unity > differs from others. Exactly. That is what I am proposing. Accurate and honest information to account for the FUD and misinformation being published by others. > Everyone can make itself its own picture and can test what system is fo= r him > the best. >=20 They certainly can IF they have accurate and honest information to work with. But John Q.Public might not even try Envolution based on some of the false things being reported by certain people. > And now stop this thread. It is impossible to compare. >=20 > WindMeUp >=20 No one is comparing. As for stopping this thread you are welcome to not reply to it at any time. There was no flaming being done and there were no insults or disrespect shown to anyone. So if I have somehow offended you for bringing up a touchy subject I am truely sorry. But I don't think ignoring serious issues is a very good way to handle anything. This is a serious issue which involves the entire viability of Envolution as a project and that is something that I personally take very serious. Zoom |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-06-04 22:05:57
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@zoom: [...] A roadmap already exists as well as the philosophy Envolution was founded upon here: http://www.envolution.com/index.php?name=Subjects&file=index&req=listpages&s ubid=2 [...] Some parts of this roadmap are out-of-date. We have to revise it. Because in the meantime we have include lot of functions, modules, theme-engine and fixes. I think we have to set a new starting point and new milestones. And I mean only the roadmap. Not the other parts of this document. [...] ... The opriginal title of this thread should not have been Envolution vs PostNuke...instead it should have been: Envolution vs FUD ... [...] No comment. I heart from TiMax that you and Max will write a document which explains the features of eNvo in details. I don't like this kind of discussion. We have all seen the results of such unproductive discussions last year on Postnuke. And I think it is very difficult to compare every CMS. So, the best way is to publish the advantages of eNvo and what our community differs from others. Everyone can make itself its own picture and can test what system is for him the best. And now stop this thread. It is impossible to compare. WindMeUp |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-06-04 21:46:04
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@zoom: [...] > So this is a good thing to have someone volunteer to do forum support > issues!!!!!!! [...] I agree. I will contact geoff asap. WindMeUp |
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