RE: [Embedlets-developer] Re: C vs Java

[James C. <ca...@vi...>]

>We don't need competent Java programmers......what we need are people that
>can construct small, simple Embedlets and then wire them together.

Teds going to love you now!

James Caska
http://www.muvium.com
'Java Bred for Embedded'



> -----Original Message-----
> From: emb...@li...
> [mailto:emb...@li...]On Behalf Of
> Andrzej Jan Taramina
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: emb...@li...
> Subject: [Embedlets-developer] Re: C vs Java
>
>
> Ted:
>
> > How confident are you that the analogy of the Embedded systems developer
> > movement from assembly language to C holds true for their potential
> > movement from C to Java?
>
> Your comparison of C programming to the complexities of Java is an apples
> and oranges comparison.
>
> First off....no programmer can learn enough in 3 weeks to write
> good desktop
> GUI-based apps or scalable server-side (J2EE/XML) solutions,
> regardless of
> what language they pick.  To learn to be a good programmer in any
> language
> (if it's your first) takes years, as you discovered. But this is
> not a valid
> comparison to a proposed Embedlet programming environment.  You won't
> need Swing, XML parsing, most Java libraries, large inheritance
> hierarchies,
> UML or all the rest.  Since the subset of Java that you need to
> know will be so
> much smaller, it might be possible to write credible Embedlets
> much faster.
>
> The corrollary is that you can hack simple stuff together easily
> in almost any
> language, including Java.  You can create a main() method, and
> just string a
> bunch of code in there to do something simple....and surprisingly
> enough, it
> will look almost identical (syntatically) to C code.
>
> If you want to write well structured, maintainable, performing complex
> applications, then it's gonna take you a long time to learn how
> to do that.  In
> Java, C or anything else for that matter.
>
> So if the existing embedded programmers are just hacking simple stuff, it
> should be possible to provide an Outpost container that lets them
> continue to
> do just that...with a minimum of Java knowledge required (OO
> stuff), especially
> since Java and C syntax are not that far apart (if/then/else,
> while, for and such
> are all pretty similar). As James said, they should only have to
> learn a very
> small subset of the gamut of Java skills to be able to hack out Embedlets.
>
> As I had said in an earlier post....a good tutorial and example
> should go a long
> way to get them there.
>
> > It has been my daily experience that it takes years of
> extremely hard work for
> > a person to become a competent Java programmer.
>
> The above sentence would be even more accurate if you drop the word
> "Java".  ;-)
>
> We don't need competent Java programmers......what we need are
> people that
> can construct small, simple Embedlets and then wire them together.
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrzej Jan Taramina
> Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions
> http://www.chaeron.com
>
>
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