RE: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....

[James C. <ca...@vi...>]

Not sure.. I think maybe ted has flicked a switch somewhere?

James Caska
http://www.muvium.com
'Java Bred for Embedded'


> -----Original Message-----
> From: emb...@li...
> [mailto:emb...@li...]On Behalf Of
> Brill Pappin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:30 PM
> To: emb...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....
>
>
> Hey James... when I reply to you, I get the list address in the
> To: field...
> how did you manage that?
>
> I'm wondering if I can get Outlook Express to do that ;)
>
> - Brill Pappin
>   Rogue Robotics
>   www.roguerobotics.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Caska" <ca...@vi...>
> To: <emb...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....
>
>
> > >Umm... what do you use by the way?
> >
> > I sleep with the enemy - J++ with Visual Interdev. Seriously I
> love being
> > able to integrate Java with VB/C++ app's via COM. Microsoft's J++
> technology
> > is actually pretty darn impressive - in fact it was the nuturing ground
> for
> > their entire .NET platform IMO.
> >
> > JC
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: emb...@li...
> > > [mailto:emb...@li...]On Behalf Of
> > > Brill Pappin
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:02 PM
> > > To: emb...@li...
> > > Subject: Re: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > First time I tried this I was sold. I haven't found
> another IDE that
> > > comes
> > > > > even close. I think having something like this around
> would greatly
> > > > > enhance acceptance of embedlets.
> > > >
> > > > You ever had to maintain the underlying code that is
> generated by such
> > > tools.
> > > > It's ugly and typically unmaintainable.....but in the real world you
> > > always have
> > > > to dig into the code (every reasonably complex project I have ever
> seen
> > > > has).....so the costs soon outweight the benefits.
> > >
> > > That was one of my main problems with it as well, the code it
> > > generated was
> > > all over the place, and it was difficult get into the code
> once VAJ had
> > > created it. Frankly, I loved it when I first tried it... and
> it did have
> > > some "cool" features, but in the end I found I had to switch
> > > back. One thing
> > > I did like though, was how it managed *every*  class and
> > > interface... and it
> > > forced you to view and think of the classes in an "OO way",
> which is why
> I
> > > still think it has value and I use it for teaching when I have to do
> that
> > > sort of work. Nothing forces a student to really *get it* than
> > > working in an
> > > environment that makes you think and work in OO and in java in
> particular.
> > >
> > > > > The demo is 'old' as IBM is moving to eclipse and support for
> > > Visual Age
> > > > > will stop in the (near) future.
> > > >
> > > > And so why are you recommending VAJ when it is already obsolete?
> Guess
> > > > the GUI builder just wasn't that useful in the real world after all.
> ;-)
> > >
> > > Eclipse is the "new" VAJ. I am happy to say that I am far
> more impressed
> > > with Eclipse... not only have the removed a lot of the
> garbage, but your
> > > source tree/project structure is intact (you can even change its
> location,
> > > though not easily), you so can plug it into an existing
> > > project... even use
> > > CVS.
> > >
> > > It's good enough that I might even use it (VAJ fans can even make it
> look
> > > like VAJ)... only trouble is that its editor is not great (the text
> entry
> > > part is not "smart enough") and its missing a lot of the tools and UI
> > > enhancements that JEdit plugins provide. Its also designed for Java
> > > specifically, where JEdit allows me to work with anything (can
> > > you tell I'm
> > > a JEdit fan?). It also seems to have a very slightly funky
> > > environment that
> > > causes normal ant builds to fail (you can execute Ant targets in
> > > Eclipse) so
> > > you have to be careful how you set up Ant.
> > >
> > > I was also a little concerned about its strong tie to IBM
> (being an IBM
> > > product)... not that I mind that much, but it was a little
> > > disappointing and
> > > it worried me a little that IBM could start charging for it or do
> > > just about
> > > anything else to it, at any time.
> > >
> > > Anyway. You use what you use, I'll use JEdit, and other folks can use
> > > Eclipse. Umm... what do you use by the way?
> > >
> > > - Brill Pappin
> > >
> > >
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