RE: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....

[James C. <ca...@vi...>]

>Umm... what do you use by the way?

I sleep with the enemy - J++ with Visual Interdev. Seriously I love being
able to integrate Java with VB/C++ app's via COM. Microsoft's J++ technology
is actually pretty darn impressive - in fact it was the nuturing ground for
their entire .NET platform IMO.

JC


> -----Original Message-----
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> Brill Pappin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:02 PM
> To: emb...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....
>
>
>
> > > First time I tried this I was sold. I haven't found another IDE that
> comes
> > > even close. I think having something like this around would greatly
> > > enhance acceptance of embedlets.
> >
> > You ever had to maintain the underlying code that is generated by such
> tools.
> > It's ugly and typically unmaintainable.....but in the real world you
> always have
> > to dig into the code (every reasonably complex project I have ever seen
> > has).....so the costs soon outweight the benefits.
>
> That was one of my main problems with it as well, the code it
> generated was
> all over the place, and it was difficult get into the code once VAJ had
> created it. Frankly, I loved it when I first tried it... and it did have
> some "cool" features, but in the end I found I had to switch
> back. One thing
> I did like though, was how it managed *every*  class and
> interface... and it
> forced you to view and think of the classes in an "OO way", which is why I
> still think it has value and I use it for teaching when I have to do that
> sort of work. Nothing forces a student to really *get it* than
> working in an
> environment that makes you think and work in OO and in java in particular.
>
> > > The demo is 'old' as IBM is moving to eclipse and support for
> Visual Age
> > > will stop in the (near) future.
> >
> > And so why are you recommending VAJ when it is already obsolete?  Guess
> > the GUI builder just wasn't that useful in the real world after all. ;-)
>
> Eclipse is the "new" VAJ. I am happy to say that I am far more impressed
> with Eclipse... not only have the removed a lot of the garbage, but your
> source tree/project structure is intact (you can even change its location,
> though not easily), you so can plug it into an existing
> project... even use
> CVS.
>
> It's good enough that I might even use it (VAJ fans can even make it look
> like VAJ)... only trouble is that its editor is not great (the text entry
> part is not "smart enough") and its missing a lot of the tools and UI
> enhancements that JEdit plugins provide. Its also designed for Java
> specifically, where JEdit allows me to work with anything (can
> you tell I'm
> a JEdit fan?). It also seems to have a very slightly funky
> environment that
> causes normal ant builds to fail (you can execute Ant targets in
> Eclipse) so
> you have to be careful how you set up Ant.
>
> I was also a little concerned about its strong tie to IBM (being an IBM
> product)... not that I mind that much, but it was a little
> disappointing and
> it worried me a little that IBM could start charging for it or do
> just about
> anything else to it, at any time.
>
> Anyway. You use what you use, I'll use JEdit, and other folks can use
> Eclipse. Umm... what do you use by the way?
>
> - Brill Pappin
>
>
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