Re: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....

[Brill P. <bri...@ro...>]

<laugh>

I though he was being facetious... hay, wait... you both are!

- Brill Pappin
  Rogue Robotics
  www.roguerobotics.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Caska" <ca...@vi...>
To: <emb...@li...>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....


> >500M lines of  quality 2EE code in 3.5 man years of development in 9
months
> elapsed....
>
> 500,000,000 / (365 * 3.5) = 391,542 lines per day
>
> 391,542 lines per day * ~10 characters per line = 3,915,420 key bangs per
> day
>
> 3,915,420 key bangs per day / (86400 secs/day) = 45 keys stokes per
second!
>
> Man... you really are a coding god! :-)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: emb...@li...
> > [mailto:emb...@li...]On Behalf Of
> > Andrzej Jan Taramina
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:34 AM
> > To: emb...@li...
> > Subject: [Embedlets-developer] Re: Visual Age....
> >
> >
> > Jac said:
> >
> > > Has anyone (apart from me) ever worked with IBMs VisualAge for Java?
> > > (Restricted version is available for download at IBM website) One of
the
> > > great features of it was the ability to visualy design a swing (or
awt)
> > > user interface and visualy wire the events generated by one swing
> > > component to another one, or even better to wire events from beans to
> > > beans.
> >
> > People either love or hate VAJ.  I happen to hate it and don't
> > believe in IDE's
> > that try to be too smart (don't get me started on that
> > topic...500M lines of
> > quality 2EE code in 3.5 man years of development in 9 months
> > elapsed....and I
> > doubt we could have done it with an IDE).  I did a little code
> > speed test once
> > many years ago during an EJB course (before J2EE was even coined)....me
> > with my editor/debugger...everyone else with VAJ.  I wrote
> > approximately 10x
> > more code in the same period. VAJ doesn't even let you see the
> > whole source
> > for a class.  Then again, if you have a VAJ itch, I believe your
> > pharmicist can
> > perscribe some creams to fix that. <grins>
> >
> > > First time I tried this I was sold. I haven't found another IDE
> > that comes
> > > even close. I think having something like this around would greatly
> > > enhance acceptance of embedlets.
> >
> > You ever had to maintain the underlying code that is generated by
> > such tools.
> > It's ugly and typically unmaintainable.....but in the real world
> > you always have
> > to dig into the code (every reasonably complex project I have ever seen
> > has).....so the costs soon outweight the benefits.
> >
> > > The demo is 'old' as IBM is moving to eclipse and support for Visual
Age
> > > will stop in the (near) future.
> >
> > And so why are you recommending VAJ when it is already obsolete?  Guess
> > the GUI builder just wasn't that useful in the real world after all. ;-)
> >
> > Andrzej Jan Taramina
> > Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions
> > http://www.chaeron.com
> >
> >
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