Thread: [Embedlets-dev] ACM talk, JackNet, Apache issue
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From: Ted K. <tk...@ya...> - 2003-10-16 15:59:08
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I gave the Embedlets talk last night to the Columbus Ohio ACM group and it was very well received. As I was putting together the presentation, I struggled with trying to determine the correct level of conceptual abstraction to relay the information at and what I came up with is what I call the JackNet concept. I brought a GlobalLightBlinker controller box to the talk and effectively said "JackNet is an internet overlay technology which is designed to allow any kind of JacketNet compliant devices anywhere in the world to be jacked into the net as needed for any desired purpose. This is regardless of whether or not the devices are sitting behind NAT boxes or firewalls. I then proceeded to jack the controller box into the network, jack a lamp into it, jack my PC into the network and then just start remotely controlling the lamp. And they just simply and instantly 'got it' and I knew this because they started clapping (with emotion) as soon as the light turned on. I personally think that the JackNet concept is the 'royal road' to marketing Embedlet technology to the masses and I personally plan to promote it with a will. In a related issue, I would like the group's permission for me to work with Nicola to approach Appache with the idea of bringing the Embedlets project into the Apache foundation. We are not at this time deciding to actually do this but rather we are just opening up a dialog and seeing where it goes. Does anyone have a problem with this? Ted __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: Jac K. <j.k...@th...> - 2003-10-16 20:52:22
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Ted Kosan wrote: > I then proceeded to jack the controller box into the network, jack a > lamp into it, jack my PC into the network and then just start remotely > controlling the lamp. Looks like the hands on demo one needs. Hmmm, in just over one month we'll have a large computer show over here. Last year over 100,000 people visited the 3 day event being organised by over 1000 volunteers. Like the last few years I'll be in the Unix User Group booth which is traditionaly next to the C & Java User Group booth... (sometime we even share the same [large] booth) I still need some eye cathing demo, the last two years we had one of the Jstamp driven Fantazeins on display, a great way to attract attention (and I'm still surprised it survived two years of being poked at by people from 8 to 80...) Now if I could create something nice based on your demo... (ideas are very welcome) > In a related issue, I would like the group's permission for me to work > with Nicola to approach Appache with the idea of bringing the Embedlets > project into the Apache foundation. We are not at this time deciding to > actually do this but rather we are just opening up a dialog and seeing > where it goes. +1 Regards, Jac -- Jac Kersing Technical Consultant The-Box Development j.k...@th... http://www.the-box.com |
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From: Ted K. <tk...@ya...> - 2003-10-16 23:31:39
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Jac wrote: > I still need some eye cathing demo, the last two years we had one of the > Jstamp driven Fantazeins on display, a great way to attract attention (and > I'm still surprised it survived two years of being poked at by people from > 8 to 80...) > > Now if I could create something nice based on your demo... (ideas are very > welcome) As soon as one is able to dynamically control home appliances through a network the possibilities for demonstrations opens up significantly. For example, imagine a table with a number of JackNet devices like a fan, a thermostat, a motion detector, a switch, an alarm, a number of lamp controllers, a cell phone, etc. People can just walk up to the table and start jacking together whatever kind of system they would like and then configuring it using a graphic wiring tool. Of course, the Embedlet wiring tool is still a ways off but in the mean time they could use JackNetBASIC in order to configure their systems (because it is so simple to use). Anyway, the JackNet controller boxes are designed to work with all world power systems and you can help out a bit here by telling me if the PC power supplies over there use a standard power supply cord that plugs into power supplies like this one: http://tkosan.javadevices.org/misc/embeddedjava/B452-3108.jpg The JackNet devices can control up to 240 volt appliances and I am hoping to leverage the PC power supply connertor standards (both male and female) for them. Ted __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: Jac K. <j.k...@th...> - 2003-10-18 11:56:19
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Ted Kosan wrote: > Anyway, the JackNet controller boxes are designed to work with all world > power systems and you can help out a bit here by telling me if the PC > power supplies over there use a standard power supply cord that plugs > into power supplies like this one: > > http://tkosan.javadevices.org/misc/embeddedjava/B452-3108.jpg European power supplies use the same connector on the power supply. If you're designing boards that will be connected to 240V, please make sure to have a gap of at least 5 millimeters between the 240V traces and everything else (other traces, components not connected to 240V, case etc) to comply with safety regulations... And you'll need to add a fast fuse in the power input of the design as well. Regards, Jac -- Jac Kersing Technical Consultant The-Box Development j.k...@th... http://www.the-box.com |
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From: Ted K. <tk...@ya...> - 2003-10-18 15:49:29
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Jac wrote: > European power supplies use the same connector on the power supply. This is good news. Now what about the matching male plugs that the older power supplies had that were used to plug a monitor into? Here is something similar to what I mean: http://us.st7.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/directron_1760_488748032 Except that instead of having a Power Supply/Monitor female end on it, it has an 'extension cord' female end on it that standard appliances can plug in to. Are these 'extension cord' type cables available over in Europe? > If you're designing boards that will be connected to 240V, please make > sure to have a gap of at least 5 millimeters between the 240V traces and > everything else (other traces, components not connected to 240V, case etc) > to comply with safety regulations... Thanks for this information, it should come in handy in the future. >And you'll need to add a fast fuse in > the power input of the design as well. But this information is useful right now! I had went with slow blow fuses in the prototypes. What is the reason for requiring fast blow fuses? Thanks, Ted __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: Jac K. <j.k...@th...> - 2003-10-26 11:36:00
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Ted Kosan wrote: > This is good news. Now what about the matching male plugs that the > older power supplies had that were used to plug a monitor into? Here is > something similar to what I mean: We're using those as well. > Except that instead of having a Power Supply/Monitor female end on it, > it has an 'extension cord' female end on it that standard appliances can > plug in to. Haven't seen any of these around. We could make them as the parts are available. > > sure to have a gap of at least 5 millimeters between the 240V traces > > and everything else (other traces, components not connected to 240V, > > case etc) to comply with safety regulations... > > Thanks for this information, it should come in handy in the future. After rereading the safety instructions another time I found this should be 6 mm. > But this information is useful right now! I had went with slow blow > fuses in the prototypes. What is the reason for requiring fast blow > fuses? The safety instructions allow both fast and slow fuses. However, more and more homes (and office buildings as well) have electronic fuses installed and a lot of them are the fast kind. It would be nice if the appliance fuse triggers before the fuse one level up does. I've been looking for an english translation of the 1 sheet safety tips extract I found. No luck so far. Anyone got the time to translate dutch->english? (Or do you read dutch Ted?) Regards, Jac -- Jac Kersing Technical Consultant The-Box Development j.k...@th... http://www.the-box.com |
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From: Ted K. <tk...@ya...> - 2003-10-27 02:52:23
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Jac wrote: > I've been looking for an english translation of the 1 sheet safety tips > extract I found. No luck so far. Anyone got the time to translate > dutch->english? (Or do you read dutch Ted?) I do not read Dutch but instead of purchasing the boxes from a company in the USA why not assemble the boxes yourself and become the first European manufacturer? I am in the process of helping a local company here tool up to start making JackNet appliance controller boxes but since the both the hardware designs and software are completely open, someone in Europe can certainly produce them too. Another option is to purchase the complete boxes in bulk as an OEM from this company and then become the European distributor. Or perhaps purchase sub-assemblies like just the CNC machined plastic enclosure and use European parts inside. Anyway, this market opportunity seems to be picking up steam now and if you are interested in getting in on the ground floor, now would be the time to get involved. Ted __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ |
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From: Christopher S. <cs...@oo...> - 2003-10-27 18:20:14
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Ted, What steps do you see to get Embedlets/Outpost connected with JXTA. I am assuming that a JAPL wrapper would provide the necessary bridge. Chris Christopher Smith OopScope, LLC. www.oopscope.com cs...@oo... 805-276-0598 |
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From: Ted K. <tk...@ya...> - 2003-10-28 06:53:39
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Chris wrote: > What steps do you see to get Embedlets/Outpost connected with JXTA. I am > assuming that a JAPL wrapper would provide the necessary bridge. There are a number of possibilities here and it is going to take some deep thinking to get it right I think. The nice thing, though, is that at this point in time the JackNet Appliance Controller application is only using a small JAPL class to allow it to control the box and this will give us the time needed to properly work out the Embedlets/JXTA integration. Another thing that I think is going to help is that we are finally going to have some users who are going to help drive our development efforts. It has been kind of tough developing the Embedlets code base without having some concrete applications to help guide the design decisions but it looks like this is about to change. Also, I know I promised to start a discussion on the persistence issue but until I get to a point where I am actually applying Embedlets to something concrete, I am finding that I just can't get myself to think clearly about it yet. The follow-on device to the JackNet Appliance Controller looks like it is going to be a 'jack directly into the net' TSTIK/muvium unit and this one will definitely be Embedlets based so I should be ready to dig deep into the Embedlets code base again at that time. But for now, I am scrambling to line up the manufacturing capacity to produce a significant number of the beta JackNet appliance controllers and this should keep me quite busy through the month of November. Ted __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: Christopher S. <cs...@oo...> - 2003-10-16 22:32:17
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Ted, Do you have more info on the JackNet technology? Would the Apache foundation give us more exposure? If so then it is a good thing. Chris > > Topic tags:[ARCH][JAPL][WIRING][DOCS][MGMT][STRATEGY][NEWBIE] > _______________________________________________ > > I gave the Embedlets talk last night to the Columbus Ohio ACM > group and it was > very well received. > > As I was putting together the presentation, I struggled with trying to > determine the correct level of conceptual abstraction to relay > the information > at and what I came up with is what I call the JackNet concept. > > I brought a GlobalLightBlinker controller box to the talk and > effectively said > "JackNet is an internet overlay technology which is designed to > allow any kind > of JacketNet compliant devices anywhere in the world to be jacked > into the net > as needed for any desired purpose. This is regardless of whether > or not the > devices are sitting behind NAT boxes or firewalls. > > I then proceeded to jack the controller box into the network, > jack a lamp into > it, jack my PC into the network and then just start remotely > controlling the > lamp. > > And they just simply and instantly 'got it' and I knew this because they > started clapping (with emotion) as soon as the light turned on. > > I personally think that the JackNet concept is the 'royal road' > to marketing > Embedlet technology to the masses and I personally plan to > promote it with a > will. > > > > In a related issue, I would like the group's permission for me to > work with > Nicola to approach Appache with the idea of bringing the > Embedlets project into > the Apache foundation. We are not at this time deciding to > actually do this > but rather we are just opening up a dialog and seeing where it goes. > > > Does anyone have a problem with this? > > Ted > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > SourceForge.net hosts over 70,000 Open Source Projects. > See the people who have HELPED US provide better services: > Click here: http://sourceforge.net/supporters.php > _______________________________________________ > Embedlets-developer mailing list > Emb...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/embedlets-developer > |
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From: Ted K. <tk...@ya...> - 2003-10-16 23:51:33
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Chris wrote: > Do you have more info on the JackNet technology? Yeah, in essence it is Bill Joy's 6th web which is the web for embedded devices and it consists of a network of Embedlet container-based nodes utilizing an internet overlay technology provided by JXTA (see http://www.jxta.org/project/www/busmktg.html) and also perhaps JINI. JXTA provides the complete secure jackability infrastructure and Embedlets provide the embedded logic and also the extremely critical inter-Embedlet-container protocol. The Embedlet containers can then be wired together (graphically or otherwise) just like the Embedlets themselves are, thereby allowing distributed applications to be snapped together with relative ease. The beauty of this is that this protocol consists of simply having the JXTA layer route a certain class of Embedlet container messages between containers. JXTA allows these containers to exist anywhere on the Internet, regardless of whether or not they are behind NAT boxes or firewalls, using a secure and reliable transport. I think that the hard work that you and Gregg and Andrzej did on the container and protocol design is going to start to pay off in a big way in the near future. Ted __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: Nicola K. B. <nic...@ap...> - 2003-10-17 07:00:45
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Christopher Smith wrote:
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> Would the Apache foundation give us more exposure? If so then it is a good
> thing.
Well, yes it would, but beware that there are other things attached.
- you will be giving the rights of the software to Apache (although
each individual committer is still free to do what he wants with
the parts he exclusively wrote)
- the project will be run using the Apache rules, that is with
meritrocracy and voting; this means that the core developers
will loose formal control of the project decisions, that will
be taken collectively by all developers
There is good in this, as these things will hopefully make the project
outlive the original creators, which is in the intent of Apache.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi nic...@ap...
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