emacs-vr-mode-users — Discussions regarding the usage of Emacs VR Mode

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode

[<acc...@su...>]

> Try setting the following option in NaturallySpeaking 
> Tools->Options->Correction->"Correct" comments bring up spell dialog box 
> someone had a similar issue to what you described below, and the above
> setting fixed it. I have been using NaturallySpeaking version 10 with
> Emacs and VR mode successfully; with no issues like the one below. (And I
> have the above setting set.) 
> Deepak 
> 
> From: Tim Harper [mailto:tim...@gm...] 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:56 AM
> To: ema...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode
> 
> Alright, 
> I got everything working! At first, I was confused as to what was the
> benefit of having VR mode installed, because his seem to behave exactly
> the same whether or not it was enabled. Then, I read the documentation
> (documentation for the win), and discovered that I had to activate the
> buffer for voice recognition. Then, bliss :-) full select and say for the
> entire buffer, even after I click the mouse, or move around. This is just
> awesome! Thank you, Patrik! 
> I seem to only have one more issue. When I use "correct <something >", and
> then "select <number >", rather than using the selected correction, it
> transcribes the text "select 1". It appears to be doing that because the
> correction menu appears over the VR window (the one that Emacs VR mode
> spawns one VR-mode is activated), instead of in front of Emacs.
> I'm sorry to burden you with so many questions, but is this a known issue?
> Is there some place I can go to to read more about problems like this that
> I might be having? Or do somebody (like me) need to write up a tutorial or
> something :-)
> Thank you again for your assistance,
> Tim
> 

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode

[Tim H. <tim...@gm...>]

Alright,

I got everything working! At first, I was confused as to what was the
benefit of having VR mode installed, because his seem to behave exactly the
same whether or not it was enabled. Then, I read the documentation
(documentation for the win), and discovered that I had to activate the
buffer for voice recognition. Then, bliss :-) full select and say for the
entire buffer, even after I click the mouse, or move around. This is just
awesome! Thank you, Patrik!


I seem to only have one more issue. When I use "correct <something >", and
then "select <number >", rather than using the selected correction, it
transcribes the text "select 1". It appears to be doing that because the
correction menu appears over the VR window (the one that Emacs VR mode
spawns one VR-mode is activated), instead of in front of Emacs.



I'm sorry to burden you with so many questions, but is this a known issue?
Is there some place I can go to to read more about problems like this that I
might be having? Or do somebody (like me) need to write up a tutorial or
something :-)

Thank you again for your assistance,

Tim

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode

[Tim H. <tim...@gm...>]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Patrik Jonsson <gri...@us...>
Date: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode
To: Tim Harper <tim...@gm...>


Hey Tim,

Did you set the variables in your .emacs according to the
instructions? If it says

VR process: no window matching nil emacs

it looks like you've set the process to look for a window called
"emacs", but in your screenshot, your emacs window seems to be called
"*vr*".

Also, it looks like you are running emacs under mac os? While *in
principle* that should work, if you set it up to communicate over a
network port, there are problems with window selection and focus. I
suggest you start by running on nt-emacs in windows.

Also I highly recommend using vr-mode in conjunction with "emacs voice
commander" (http://www.xs4all.nl/~hdam/webpage/commander/commanderindex.htm)
which voice-enables all emacs commands. It also includes a utility
that sets the window title according to what modes are active. This
gives it a predictable window title for vr-mode to lock on to, too.

cheers,

/Patrik

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Tim Harper <tim...@gm...> wrote:
> okay! I have made further progress!
>
> I downloaded Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10.1, and told it to do in the
> "repair install". After doing that, vr.exe stopped giving the
> aforementioned  errors.
>
> Next, and I installed the Emacs Lisp package, and configured it to
> connect. I was having a really hard time getting it to connect,
> keeping on getting the error messages:
>
> VR Mode command channel is not open: deactivate-buffer
>
> VR process: no window matching nil emacs
>
> When I used the debugger on vr-connect (edebug-defun), and traced
> through it really slow (trying to find where the error occurred), it
> worked. I can't explain why, but they would connect under those
> circumstances. Perhaps it was connecting in sending commands to fast
> or something?
>
> Anyways, I then proceeded to activate a buffer for dictation, and then
> tried to dictate, and, crash! (it's worth mentioning that Dragon
> NaturallySpeaking didn't crash)
>
> Here's a screenshot of the wreckage:
>
> http://screencast.com/t/NWU1MzM4MTYt
>
> Any ideas what to do from here boss? :-) Thank you so much for the
assistance
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tim Harper <tim...@gm...> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Patrik Jonsson
>> <gri...@us...> wrote:
>>> Ok, parallels makes more sense. dnsrdk doesn't normally do much, but I
>>> think it should show a message with "components successfully
>>> installed" or something similar. I can try it in a bit and get back to
>>> you. Other people have run into the same problem that occasionally it
>>> will fail to register. In most cases, un- and re-installing DNS and
>>> then running dnsrdk again has fixed it.
>>>
>>> I don't think there are any other options. To get the sdk these days
>>> you have to pay to be "authorized" as a dns developer, but luckily I
>>> have it from before then and amazingly it seems it still works.
>>>
>>> One question: can you run natlink with your dns version? If that
>>> works, then vr mode should work too, because I think they communicate
>>> with dns using the same method.
>>>
>>> I know that parallels is not a problem, at least v3 which I've tried
>>> successfully with. It might also be a Win version issue? I'm still
>>> using XP but I assume you are more up to date?
>>>
>>> sorry I can't be more of a help. There are so many combinations of
>>> Windows/DNS/architecture that it's practically impossible to figure
>>> out why something wouldn't work and something else would. But in the
>>> end, I think everyone who has tried enough many things has gotten VR
>>> mode to work.
>>>
>>> /Patrik
>>>
>>
>> thank you for the response :-)
>>
>> That is most fortunate indeed! I can't believe how expensive is to
>> develop against Dragon NaturallySpeaking. If only it were open source
>> :-) we could have innovation to no end with it.
>>
>> I downloaded NatSpeak, and when I try to run it, Python seems to get
>> stuck in an infinite loop (eating up 100% of my processor). But, it
>> looks like an exciting tool :-) definitely will give me something to
>> play with during the Christmas break.
>>
>> I will try uninstalling and reinstalling Dragon NaturallySpeaking as
>> you have suggested (fortunately for me, since I'm running under a
>> virtual machine, if it doesn't work I can revert back to my previous
>> configuration quite easily :-)).
>>
>> What version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking are you using?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode

[Tim H. <tim...@gm...>]

Sorry, I forgot to post this to the list. Everyone else, here is the rest of
this thread

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tim Harper <tim...@gm...>
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode
To: Patrik Jonsson <gri...@us...>


Hi, Patrick


On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Patrik Jonsson
<gri...@us...> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> I thought DNS doesn't run on macs? Have they finally ported it? If so,
> that's cool, but unfortunately VR mode won't work because it's a
> windows executable that communicates using the Windows COM API.

I am running Windows under  Parallels Desktop 5. so, no, they have not
finally ported it :-) I have tried messing around with Mac speak, but
it is quite inferior to Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

>
> If you are running Win under bootcamp or in a VM, it should work for
> you. I say "pretty sure" because I've heard some noise that Scansoft
> says that in recent versions of DNS it is "unauthorized" to use
> plugins in the standard version. I don't know whether that means
> they've blocked it or that it will work and you're just not supposed
> to do it. (The voicecode yahoo group should have discussions about
> this, and whether you think such a license limitation is valid is up
> to you to decide.)
>
> The thing to do is just try. Let me know how it goes.
>

I am currently using version 10 of DNS.  I followed the instructions,
and ran the "dnsdk" executable as it is stated to. After I ran it, it
said it was preparing to install, and then it just quit. I'm not sure
if it installed anything or not, do you usually have to click a couple
of buttons to install it? Anyways, I then tried to open up the vr.exe
file, and got an error message: "VR space Failure"
"IDgnEngineControl::Register() failed (0x80040206)" followed by
"Error", "NatSpeak initialization failed".

Are you perhaps aware of another SDK file to install? Perhaps the one
provided on Source Forge is not compatible with my version of Dragon
NaturallySpeaking.

 Thank you so much for your assistance! (Or at least, responding :-))

Tim

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode

[Patrik J. <gri...@us...>]

Hi Tim,

I thought DNS doesn't run on macs? Have they finally ported it? If so,
that's cool, but unfortunately VR mode won't work because it's a
windows executable that communicates using the Windows COM API.

If you are running Win under bootcamp or in a VM, it should work for
you. I say "pretty sure" because I've heard some noise that Scansoft
says that in recent versions of DNS it is "unauthorized" to use
plugins in the standard version. I don't know whether that means
they've blocked it or that it will work and you're just not supposed
to do it. (The voicecode yahoo group should have discussions about
this, and whether you think such a license limitation is valid is up
to you to decide.)

The thing to do is just try. Let me know how it goes.

cheers,

/Patrik

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Tim Harper <tim...@gm...> wrote:
> I have DNS 10 and am a new emacs user.  (and also, consequently, work
> on a mac).  What version of DNS do I need to get this to work?  Is
> standard enough?
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] I'm interested in Emacs-vr-mode

[Tim H. <tim...@gm...>]

I have DNS 10 and am a new emacs user.  (and also, consequently, work
on a mac).  What version of DNS do I need to get this to work?  Is
standard enough?

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Problems with remote emacs session

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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Problem: "IDgnEngineControl::Register() failed (0x80040206)"

[Patrik J. <pat...@fa...>]

Joseph Reagle wrote:
> On Monday 25 June 2007, Patrik Jonsson wrote:
>> The search command is "isearch forward", not just "search forward". Yo=
u
>> can of course redefine these to your liking in the vr.el file.
>=20
> Okay, thanks. Another newbie question: how do I make sure that when I c=
all=20
> up Emacs vr-mode is turned on, and my buffers voice activated? Presentl=
y, I=20
> always have to type "M-x vr-mode" "C-c v B". I tried experimenting with=
=20
> this myself by adding the following to my .emacs File:
>=20
> (setq vr-activation-list '("^\*scratch\*$"
> 		"\.tex$") )
>=20
> By that doesn't appear to actually do what I want, and causes any dicta=
ted=20
> text to always appear at the top of the buffer to boot.

Hmm, I think you can just put (vr-mode 1) in your .emacs if you want to
start it automatically. I don't do that myself, since that means it will
always load DNS when you start emacs. Instead, I use "voice commander"
to voice-enable ALL the emacs commands, not just the ones in vr-mode.
That way, I can just say "vr mode" and "activate buffer". If you're
going to be using emacs by voice, I would highly recommend installing it.=


http://www.xs4all.nl/~hdam/webpage/commander/commanderindex.htm

It's basically an elisp program that generates a dvc file with all the
emacs commands.

cheers,

/Patrik

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Problem: "IDgnEngineControl::Register() failed (0x80040206)"

[Patrik J. <gri...@us...>]

Hi Joseph,

This problem occurs if you haven't run the dnsrdk installer. Even if you
have, it sometimes doesn't work, usually either running it again or
reinstalling DNS and then running it will fix that.

cheers,

/Patrik

Joseph Reagle wrote:
> Hello, I am trying to use VR-mode (_r011) with Emacs (22.1) on a Window=
s=20
> 2000 install on a VMWare virtual image. I had actually got vx-mode to w=
ork=20
> but since I do not have access to the "correct that" and "spell that"=20
> pop-ups on my "remote" Linux desktop, I thought it would be nice to try=
=20
> within the actual Windows environment. I believe I have followed all th=
e=20
> directions, however, when I ask it to instantiate vr-mode it fails to o=
pen=20
> NaturallySpeaking 9, and even if it is already open, it=20
> reports "IDgnEngineControl::Register() failed (0x80040206)". The VR Mod=
e=20
> Process Status has both of the checkboxes checked, and is an unknown st=
ate=20
> with local host at port 0.
>
> My .emacs file (which is loaded) is below:
>
> (add-to-list 'load-path=20
> (substitute-in-file-name "D:/apps/DragonMisc/vrmode_r011"))
> (autoload 'vr-mode "D:/apps/DragonMisc/vrmode_r011/vr" "" t nil)
> (setq vr-command "D:/apps/DragonMisc/vrmode_r011/vr.exe")
> (setq vr-win-title "emacs@VM2K-URD")
>
> !DSPAM:467be3c724921021468!
>
>  =20

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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] functions for latex/auxtex/reftex?

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

Hi Jeff,

First off, if you are going to be writing Latex, I would really
encourage you to check out NaturalLatex by David Fox
(http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~dcfox/dragon/natlatex.html). It's a perl
script that translates a text-like pseudo-latex to actual-latex. This
has the benefit that you avoid most cases of having to dictate
backslashes and unpronouncable commands. I used it for my phd thesis and
subsequent papers and I think it's great.

Regarding your actual question (;-), I'm not entirely sure what you are
trying to do. The commands possible in vr-mode are limited to simple
mappings of commands to lisp functions. It has no functionality for
turning commands on or off depending on the mode etc, so I only use
vr-mode for commands that are in some sense global, like navigation.
There is something called "emacs voice commander" which created dvc
files from all emacs commands and enables them depending on which mode
you're in. Maybe you can check that out?  I also remember there being
some issue with the command list, I suggest you try putting your
commands directly into vr.el and see if it works then.

Hope that helps, let me know if you're still having rpoblems.

/Patrik

oh, one final thing. if you are using 21.1, i believe there was badness
between it and vr mode. If you have problems, like timeout messages in
the vr-mode or something about a bad message length, try upgrading to 21.3.

Jeff D. Hamann wrote:
> all knowing vr-moders:
> 
> I'm very new to using emacs-vr mode (and loving it) and want to start
> hooking up some standard latex functions I need for editing papers. I've
> seen some of the latex hooks for the EmacsListen stuff (emacslisten
> didn't seem to work so hot) and would like to have a set of similar
> functions (citep, \ref{fig:xxxx}) type stuff. My config looks like,
> 
> ;; from the vr readme.txt file
> (add-to-list 'load-path (substitute-in-file-name
> "/emacs-21.1/site-lisp/vr"))
> (autoload 'vr-mode "/emacs-21.1/site-lisp/vr/vr" "" t nil)
> (setq vr-command "/emacs-21.1/site-lisp/vr/vr.exe")
> (setq vr-win-class "Windows class name")
> (setq vr-win-title "Window title")
> (setq vr-voice-command-list '(vr-default-voice-command-list)) ;add the
> commands to the list
> (setq-default abbrev-mode t)
> (load "abbrev-cmds")
> 
> ; move down 1-3 lines -- example
> (setq vr-voice-command-list
>      '((list "1to3" "1 2 3")
> ("move down <1to3>" . next-line)))
> 
> ;; try to add some reftex bindings.
> ;;      C-c =      `reftex-toc'
> ;;      C-c (      `reftex-label'
> ;;      C-c )      `reftex-reference'
> ;;      C-c [      `reftex-citation'
> ;;      C-c &      `reftex-view-crossref'
> ;;      S-mouse-2  `reftex-mouse-view-crossref'
> ;; this isn't working very well for me... ugh...
> ;; (setq vr-voice-command-list
> ;;       '(vr-default-voice-command-list
> ;;  C-c [
> ;;  ("ref tak". "C-c [" ) ) )
> 
> since i'm such a dufus with lisp in emacs, i was wondering if there's
> anybody could get me started... I'm pretty well versed, but just need a
> little help. For example, I would like to be able to automate the command
> 
> C-c [-
> then say the letter i would like to use "pee", "tee", etc.
> and then enter (by voice command) into the minibuffer for the search
> phrase I want to search on in the bib file,
> "site index"
> once i get that far, i would use the keyboard to select the references i
> want.
> 
> Of course, I would be greatly appreciative to simple get to the C-c [-
> part by simply saying "ref-pee" or "ref-tee"
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff.
> 
> ---
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] functions for latex/auxtex/reftex?

[Jeff D. H. <jef...@fo...>]

all knowing vr-moders:

I'm very new to using emacs-vr mode (and loving it) and want to start 
hooking up some standard latex functions I need for editing papers. I've 
seen some of the latex hooks for the EmacsListen stuff (emacslisten didn't 
seem to work so hot) and would like to have a set of similar functions 
(citep, \ref{fig:xxxx}) type stuff. My config looks like,

;; from the vr readme.txt file
(add-to-list 'load-path (substitute-in-file-name 
"/emacs-21.1/site-lisp/vr"))
(autoload 'vr-mode "/emacs-21.1/site-lisp/vr/vr" "" t nil)
(setq vr-command "/emacs-21.1/site-lisp/vr/vr.exe")
(setq vr-win-class "Windows class name")
(setq vr-win-title "Window title")
(setq vr-voice-command-list '(vr-default-voice-command-list)) ;add the 
commands to the list
(setq-default abbrev-mode t)
(load "abbrev-cmds")

; move down 1-3 lines -- example
(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '((list "1to3" "1 2 3")
 ("move down <1to3>" . next-line)))

;; try to add some reftex bindings.
;;      C-c =      `reftex-toc'
;;      C-c (      `reftex-label'
;;      C-c )      `reftex-reference'
;;      C-c [      `reftex-citation'
;;      C-c &      `reftex-view-crossref'
;;      S-mouse-2  `reftex-mouse-view-crossref'
;; this isn't working very well for me... ugh...
;; (setq vr-voice-command-list
;;       '(vr-default-voice-command-list
;;  C-c [
;;  ("ref tak". "C-c [" ) ) )

since i'm such a dufus with lisp in emacs, i was wondering if there's 
anybody could get me started... I'm pretty well versed, but just need a 
little help. For example, I would like to be able to automate the command

C-c [-
then say the letter i would like to use "pee", "tee", etc.
and then enter (by voice command) into the minibuffer for the search phrase 
I want to search on in the bib file,
"site index"
once i get that far, i would use the keyboard to select the references i 
want.

Of course, I would be greatly appreciative to simple get to the C-c [- part 
by simply saying "ref-pee" or "ref-tee"

any ideas?

Thanks,
Jeff.

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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Couldn't create DgnEngineControl objext

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

Hi Bob,
This error has been known to pop up every now and then. You are right 
that it's not connected to emacs, it's a vr.exe problem. The problem has 
not been reproducible, I saw it once myself but reinstalling DNS and 
rerunning dnsrdk fixed it. I just tried running dnsrdk on my XP Pro 
machine, and I got a dialog telling me to reboot my computer when it had 
finished. If you're not seeing that  it's possible that it's not working 
right. I have no reports of VR Mode either working or failing under DNS 
8, so I guess it's also not entirely impossible version 8 has broken 
something. (I'm running 6.1 since that's the last version that works 
correctly with my X windows.)

sorry I don't have more info.  I don't suppose you have a DNS <8 you can 
try with?

Reports of running VR Mode with DNS 8 (failure or success) from other 
users would be interesting.

/Patrik

Bob Davison wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install VR Mode and all seems well until I try to 
> activate it and then I get a dialog
>
> Couldn't create DgnEngineControl object (0x80004002)
>
> I get this on a WinXP machine with DNS 8 and a Win98 machine with DNS 
> 5 so I seem to be consistently doing something wrong.
>
> I am using Emacs 21 although VR Mode says it doesn't work so well with 
> it.  I can't seem to find pre-version 21 releases of Emacs for 
> Windows.  But the error message sounds more like a VR <-> DNS problem 
> than an Emacs one.
>
> I tried following some of the source code and realised that I didn't 
> have some of the header files, dnssdk.h for one.  I though that the 
> DNS RDK from the VR project on sourceforge might have it but I have 
> installed it and the header file is still nowhere to be found.  The 
> DNS RDK install seems a bit strange in that it says that it is 
> preparing InstallShield and then it finishes, should it do more?
>
> I would be grateful for any help.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Couldn't create DgnEngineControl objext

[Bob D. <bob...@ho...>]

Hi,

I am trying to install VR Mode and all seems well until I try to activate it 
and then I get a dialog

Couldn't create DgnEngineControl object (0x80004002)

I get this on a WinXP machine with DNS 8 and a Win98 machine with DNS 5 so I 
seem to be consistently doing something wrong.

I am using Emacs 21 although VR Mode says it doesn't work so well with it.  
I can't seem to find pre-version 21 releases of Emacs for Windows.  But the 
error message sounds more like a VR <-> DNS problem than an Emacs one.

I tried following some of the source code and realised that I didn't have 
some of the header files, dnssdk.h for one.  I though that the DNS RDK from 
the VR project on sourceforge might have it but I have installed it and the 
header file is still nowhere to be found.  The DNS RDK install seems a bit 
strange in that it says that it is preparing InstallShield and then it 
finishes, should it do more?

I would be grateful for any help.

Thanks,
Bob

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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] problems with correct that

[Patrik <pa...@uc...>]

Hi Colin,

No, this is not normal.  It will happen occasionally when the VR mode 
buffer gets out of sync with the Emacs buffer.  The most common reason for 
this is the use of the abbreviation commands in PBVElse.el.  Are you using 
these?  (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you're probably 
not.  It's the ability to say simple navigation commands, like "backward 
char", in the middle of a sentence.)

Just to make sure, the problem occurs in a "voice-activated" buffer, 
right?  The simplest way to confirm this is to make sure that it says "VR: 
on" (and not "VR-on") in the mode line.  Another way to confirm this is 
that you can use select and say in the buffer.  If you are NOT in an 
activated buffer, and you ARE using NaturallySpeaking version 7, this is 
due to a well-known NaturallySpeaking bug introduced in version 7 which 
broke correction in any sort of nonstandard windows like Emacs, the command 
prompt window or terminal windows.  This bug was severe enough (in 
combination with some others) to make me roll back to NaturallySpeaking 6.1.

If the above does not apply, you have a VR mode problem.  Can you send me 
some more information, like:

NaturallySpeaking version
VR mode version
Emacs version

also, try saying "resynchronize", and then dictating something and see if 
the correction works.  Can you discern any pattern when it does not work?

/Patrik

At 03:01 PM 9/26/2003 -0700, cr wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>One of my greatest frustrations with vr-mode is the way that it does not 
>seem to be able to handle the replacement part of the "correct that" 
>function. I get the window, selection works fine, but when it comes to 
>replacing the actual text it's usually off by one or two characters.
>
>Is this just me or is it a well-known bug.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Colin

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] problems with correct that

[Patrik <pa...@uc...>]

Hi Colin,

No, this is not normal.  It will happen occasionally when the VR mode 
buffer gets out of sync with the Emacs buffer.  The most common reason for 
this is the use of the abbreviation commands in PBVElse.el.  Are you using 
these?  (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you're probably 
not.  It's the ability to say simple navigation commands, like "backward 
char", in the middle of a sentence.)

Just to make sure, the problem occurs in a "voice-activated" buffer, 
right?  The simplest way to confirm this is to make sure that it says "VR: 
on" (and not "VR-on") in the mode line.  Another way to confirm this is 
that you can use select and say in the buffer.  If you are NOT in an 
activated buffer, and you ARE using NaturallySpeaking version 7, this is 
due to a well-known NaturallySpeaking bug introduced in version 7 which 
broke correction in any sort of nonstandard windows like Emacs, the command 
prompt window or terminal windows.  This bug was severe enough (in 
combination with some others) to make me roll back to NaturallySpeaking 6.1.

If the above does not apply, you have a VR mode problem.  Can you send me 
some more information, like:

NaturallySpeaking version
VR mode version
Emacs version

also, try saying "resynchronize", and then dictating something and see if 
the correction works.  Can you discern any pattern when it does not work?

/Patrik

At 03:01 PM 9/26/2003 -0700, cr wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>One of my greatest frustrations with vr-mode is the way that it does not 
>seem to be able to handle the replacement part of the "correct that" 
>function. I get the window, selection works fine, but when it comes to 
>replacing the actual text it's usually off by one or two characters.
>
>Is this just me or is it a well-known bug.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Colin

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] problems with correct that

[Deepak S. <de...@su...>]

Sounds like a dragon NaturallySpeaking version 7 bug.  There have been 
numerous complaints of this nature about version 7 with non Microsoft 
programs.   Is that the speech program you're using?  Have you implemented 
the recent version 7.2 patch?  I am curious just how much the patch reduces 
this kind of bugs.

  In case you're not aware of the following voice programmers mailing list 
(which gets more traffic than this one), here's a link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/


Deepak


At 06:01 PM 9/26/03 , cr wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>One of my greatest frustrations with vr-mode is the way that it does not 
>seem to be able to handle the replacement part of the "correct that" 
>function. I get the window, selection works fine, but when it comes to 
>replacing the actual text it's usually off by one or two characters.
>
>Is this just me or is it a well-known bug.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Colin

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] problems with correct that

[cr <mi1...@ho...>]

Hi there,

One of my greatest frustrations with vr-mode is the way that it does not =
seem to be able to handle the replacement part of the "correct that" =
function. I get the window, selection works fine, but when it comes to =
replacing the actual text it's usually off by one or two characters.

Is this just me or is it a well-known bug.

Thanks,

Colin

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Emacs VR mode and NaturallySpeaking 7

[Patrik J. <gri...@us...>]

Hi VR mode users, and potential such,were

Contrary to previous reports of VR mode not working with NaturallySpeaking 
7, I have now gotten reports that it indeed does work for some 
people.  Thus, if you are interested in running VR mode, I would be very 
interested in knowing how it works for people in order to figure out what 
the possible incompatibilities are.

So, in short: please give it a try if you are running NaturallySpeaking 7, 
and report back to me.

Thanks,

/Patrik

VR mode can be found at http://emacs-vr-mode.sourceforge.net/

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] latest version of dns for vrmode?

[<fo...@mi...>]

Hi,
I have dragon nat. sp. v7 but hear that vr-mode does not work with this.
Could you let me know what the latest compatible version is so i can try to 
track down a copy?
Thanks!
Ben

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] vr-mode with natspeak 7

[Colin P M. <mcm...@cs...>]

hi,

I have NaturallySpeaking 7 Preferred, and just tried using the beta of 
vr-mode 008. when I use M-x vr-mode in emacs, the following happens:

a window titled VR Mode Process Status pops up.

it is immediately obscured by an error window, which reads:

IDgnEngineControl::Register failed (0x80040206)

the only button to click is OK, when I do this I get another error box
saying "NatSpeak initialization failed."

when I click OK on this window, the process status window also closes.in 
the emacs mini buffer,I get the following message:

Error in process sentinel: VR process exited with status "exited 
abnormally with code 255"

any ideas on what I can do to get vr-mode working?

Thanks a lot,
Colin


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Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and Vision Lab, Univ. of Minnesota

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Emacs 21 and vrmode: infinite loops in Emacs?

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

Hi,

My apologies for taking forever to respond, progress on my thesis had to 
take priority for awhile, and I also can't contribute much to the problem...

There seems to be several outstanding issues with Emacs 21, I can't run it 
for more than a short while until there is some breakdown in buffer 
synchronization.  I haven't had time to look into it much, but I don't see 
anything obvious that would cause it.  Instead, I've simply reverted to 
Emacs 20.  This is not ideal, but I hesitate to put in a large effort in VR 
mode when it probably will be superseded by VoiceCoder anyway... (There is 
also the FREQUENT problem of buffer confusion and communication timeout 
giving the assertion failure that I don't know how to solve.)

incidentally, I also get Emacs lockups which you can NOT get out of using 
Ctrl-g or any other way I know of.  Emacs is stuck in a busy loop sucking 
CPU, and the only way I've found of getting out of it is by killing the 
Emacs process.  However, I suspect this is a problem with tramp (which I'm 
also using) and not VR mode.

On the other hand, if anyone is interested in pursuing the existing 
problems with VR mode, I will offer all help I can...

/Patrik

At 09:36 PM 1/2/2003 -0500, Nils Klarlund wrote:
>Hello Patrick (and others!):
>
>I am trying to make Emacs 21 work with vr-mode.  I am running under
>Windows 2000.  I have experimented with Emacs version 21.2, 21.2.92,
>and 21.2.93 and vrmode version 008.  There is a very, very tricky
>problem, which I believe is not connected to the specialized use of
>the software that I've undertaken (which consists of using only the
>fundamentals of vrmode, no commands, no bookkeeping of separate
>buffers, etc.).  Still, there is an intermittent problem, which is due
>to Emacs 21 I suspect.
>
>Once in a while, it happens that events stuffed into
>unread-command-events during the execution of vr-cmd-make-changes are
>not executed as expected.  Instead, Emacs seems to go into an infinite
>loop, actively polling some flag or condition.  If I do a C-g, then I
>get *no* information about what was aborted, but the action itself is
>enough to pull Emacs out of the infinite loop.  Also, the events in
>unread-command-events are then properly executed.  The infinite loop
>can be abandoned also by hitting any other key, such as SPC.  Then,
>the events in unread-command-events are properly executed followed by
>SPC.
>
>I have tried to follow the vrmode protocol live using the debugging
>window.  It seems as if all communications are normal.  That led me
>to believe that there is a bug in Emacs.
>
>At one point, I made more frequent use of vr-resynchronize, which
>seems to make the problem significantly worse.  (In general, my use of
>vrmode makes it unnecessary to send information about the whole buffer
>contents back to vrmode.) Also, I have a suspicion that after
>computationally expensive tasks, the problem is more like to occur.
>Currently, it happens maybe for every fifty or so utterances.
>Certainly frequently enough to be bothersome.
>
>I noticed another bug in Emacs 21: the message function is echoed in a
>very strange way when called from within one of the functions that
>triggered by process filters.  The first character and only the first
>character is registered by the *Messages* buffer.  The whole message
>is echoed in the minibuffer area, however.  So, that reinforces my
>suspicion that Emacs 21 is not yet implementing process communication
>in a quite stable way.
>
>At this point, the situation is sufficiently fuzzy that I have not
>written to the GNU people.  Have anybody else experienced something
>similar?  If this is a general issue it would be nice to have it
>fixed, since Emacs 21 seems to catch up on many fronts.
>
>/Nils
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This message has been written using a voice recognition system.
Words that don't make sense or not the fault of the author...

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Emacs 21 and vrmode: infinite loops in Emacs?

[Nils K. <kla...@re...>]

Hello Patrick (and others!):  

I am trying to make Emacs 21 work with vr-mode.  I am running under
Windows 2000.  I have experimented with Emacs version 21.2, 21.2.92,
and 21.2.93 and vrmode version 008.  There is a very, very tricky
problem, which I believe is not connected to the specialized use of
the software that I've undertaken (which consists of using only the
fundamentals of vrmode, no commands, no bookkeeping of separate
buffers, etc.).  Still, there is an intermittent problem, which is due
to Emacs 21 I suspect.

Once in a while, it happens that events stuffed into
unread-command-events during the execution of vr-cmd-make-changes are
not executed as expected.  Instead, Emacs seems to go into an infinite
loop, actively polling some flag or condition.  If I do a C-g, then I
get *no* information about what was aborted, but the action itself is
enough to pull Emacs out of the infinite loop.  Also, the events in
unread-command-events are then properly executed.  The infinite loop
can be abandoned also by hitting any other key, such as SPC.  Then,
the events in unread-command-events are properly executed followed by
SPC.

I have tried to follow the vrmode protocol live using the debugging
window.  It seems as if all communications are normal.  That led me
to believe that there is a bug in Emacs.

At one point, I made more frequent use of vr-resynchronize, which
seems to make the problem significantly worse.  (In general, my use of
vrmode makes it unnecessary to send information about the whole buffer
contents back to vrmode.) Also, I have a suspicion that after
computationally expensive tasks, the problem is more like to occur.
Currently, it happens maybe for every fifty or so utterances.
Certainly frequently enough to be bothersome.

I noticed another bug in Emacs 21: the message function is echoed in a
very strange way when called from within one of the functions that
triggered by process filters.  The first character and only the first
character is registered by the *Messages* buffer.  The whole message
is echoed in the minibuffer area, however.  So, that reinforces my
suspicion that Emacs 21 is not yet implementing process communication
in a quite stable way.

At this point, the situation is sufficiently fuzzy that I have not
written to the GNU people.  Have anybody else experienced something
similar?  If this is a general issue it would be nice to have it
fixed, since Emacs 21 seems to catch up on many fronts.

/Nils
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++

This message was composed using ShortTalk, the spoken editing language
that works.  Occasional strange words, insults, and mumble jumble are
always speech recognition errors.

http://www.research.att.com/~klarlund/ShortTalk
 

Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] vr-mode and Dragon NaturallySpeaking 6.0

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

hi dejan,

vr code works with 20.6 and 6.0. As of now, i don't recommend using 
emacs 21 though, there are still strange issues there.

and if you tried the pbv kit version of vr mode, you are right it 
does not work with either dns 5.0 or 6.0.

good luck,

/patrik

At 16.38 -0800 021103, Dejan Kostic wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm using programming by voice kit with Dragon NaturallySpeaking 4.0. I'm
>thinking about upgrading to NaturallySpeaking 6.0 preferred. Is it possible to
>get Emacs 20.6.1 (from the PBV kit) working with the latest version of vr-mode
>and NaturallySpeaking 6.0? I had one unsuccessful attempt with the earlier
>version of vr-mode.
>
>Thanks,
>Dejan

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========================================================
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Dept. of Astronomy & Astrophysics
University of California
Santa Cruz, CA 95064
USA

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Brevity is a necessity, not an indication of attitude.

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] vr-mode and Dragon NaturallySpeaking 6.0

[Dejan K. <de...@ya...>]

Hello,

I'm using programming by voice kit with Dragon NaturallySpeaking 4.0. I'm
thinking about upgrading to NaturallySpeaking 6.0 preferred. Is it possible to
get Emacs 20.6.1 (from the PBV kit) working with the latest version of vr-mode
and NaturallySpeaking 6.0? I had one unsuccessful attempt with the earlier
version of vr-mode.

Thanks, 
Dejan


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