emacs-vr-mode-users — Discussions regarding the usage of Emacs VR Mode

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Re: [VoiceCoder] VR Mode release 008 beta available

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

Hey,

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, your message disappeared into 
the depths of my inbox...

The failed assertion usually (I think) occurs when you start dictating 
before Emacs has finished executing a *voice commander* command, because at 
that time they disagree on which buffer is active.  Unless... which version 
of Emacs are you using?  I'm still plagued by what I believe is multi-byte 
problems with version 21. I thought I had fixed this but I realized it's 
still there.  If you could tell me what the VR modes process window says 
when it happens it would help me figure out if you have the same problem.

"cannot create voice menu" happens when VR mode doesn't exit properly.  If 
it doesn't unload the command objects you get this error when you try to 
started again since the voice menu is still there.  (If it happens in 
connection to the above problem, "ignore" the failed assertion and then do 
escape-x vr-mode in Emacs so the VR mode sub process exits cleanly.  After 
that you can restart it again.)

the last one happens sometimes (though very rarely for me).  It's usually 
because Emacs has silently deleted the contents of the minibuffer so the 
character position of your mode wants to insert at doesn't exist.  Try 
using the "resynchronize" voice command, it usually fixes these problems. I 
think this also happens more often with Emacs 21, but I don't have the 
slightest clue why that would be...

About your question regarding the VR mode selection, there is an overlay 
"vr-select-overlay" which contains the selection.  You should be able to 
just read that variable.

Regards,

/Patrik

At 10:41 AM 9/23/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear Patrik:
>
>Thanks for continuing to support VR mode.  Unfortunately, I found that
>008 beta wasn't stable and had to go back to the older version.  Here
>are some of the errors I have received.  The first one arose far too
>often.
>
>Cheers,
>Uday
>
>
>
>Assertion failed!
>Program: ...\vr.exe
>File: c:\program files\pbv kit\vrmode\src\buffer.cpp
>Line: 248
>
>Expression: p
>
>---------------
>
>Cannot create voice menu: 0x80040626
>
>------------------
>
>Args out of range: 36,36
>    (when trying to dictate a command in the minibuffer)

============================================================
Patrik Jonsson					(831) 459-3809
Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics
University of California, Santa Cruz, CA 95064

This message has been written using a voice recognition system.
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Re: [VoiceCoder] PBV-KIT with the latest version of vr mode

[Ulrike S. <ul...@go...>]

I also want to thank you very, very much. With the newest release the
commands on the voice reference card work fine now and I have to learn
more about the others ... 

Uli



Pat Mecheski schrieb:
> 
> Eureka!
> 
> I downloaded the latest build that was recently released (release 8 beta)
> and it works! I made no modifications to the VR mode files and left the
> following statement in PBVKit's _emacs as is.
> 
> (setq vr-voice-command-list
>       '(
>         vr-cachepad-command-list
>         vr-else-command-list
>         vr-emacs-command-list
>         vr-python-command-list
>         vr-setnu-command-list
>         vr-translate-mode-command-list
>         vr-voicegrip-command-list
>         vr-vr-command-list
>         ))
> 
> Thanks for the help David and thanks for the new build Patrik!
> 
> Pat
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] RE: [VoiceCoder] PBV-KIT with the latest version of vr mode

[Pat M. <pa...@op...>]

Eureka!

I downloaded the latest build that was recently released (release 8 beta)
and it works! I made no modifications to the VR mode files and left the
following statement in PBVKit's _emacs as is.

(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '(
	vr-cachepad-command-list
	vr-else-command-list
	vr-emacs-command-list
        vr-python-command-list
	vr-setnu-command-list
	vr-translate-mode-command-list
	vr-voicegrip-command-list
	vr-vr-command-list
	))

Thanks for the help David and thanks for the new build Patrik!

Pat

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] RE: [VoiceCoder] PBV-KIT with the latest version of vr mode

[Pat M. <pa...@op...>]

Hello Ben,

I am also having problems with this (see email list emacs-vr-mode-users
subject: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was:  pbvki t
emacs vr problems).

Dave pointed out that there is a problem in vr.el that prevents lists of
command lists from working properly. The patch is to replace vr-startup in
vr.el with the following

(defun vr-startup ()
  "Initialize any per-execution state of the VR Mode subprocess."

  (let ((l (lambda (x)
	     (cond ((eq x 'vr-default-voice-commands)
		    (mapcar l vr-default-voice-command-list))
               ;
		   ; Patch to fix lists of lists.
               ; Dave Fifield March 2002
		   ;
		   ((condition-case e (listp (symbol-value x)) ('error nil))
		    (mapcar l (symbol-value x)))

		   ((symbolp x)
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (concat "define-command "
			     (vr-strip-dash x) "|" (symbol-name x))))
		   ((and (listp x) (eq (car x) 'list))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-list %s|%s" (nth 1 x) (nth 2 x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (vectorp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (symbolp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (stringp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   (t
		    (error "Unknown vr-voice-command-list element %s"
			   x))
		   )
	     )))
    (mapcar l (if (eq vr-voice-command-list t)
		  vr-default-voice-command-list
		vr-voice-command-list)))
  ;; don't set up these hooks until after initialization has succeeded
  (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'vr-post-command)
  (add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'vr-enter-minibuffer)
  (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'vr-kill-buffer)
  (vr-maybe-activate-buffer (current-buffer))
  (run-hooks 'vr-mode-startup-hook)
  )

I tried this patch, but have not been able to get the commands to be
defined.

There appears to be a problem with the following code in PBVKit's _emacs

; load lists of voice commands for emacs and all of the pbv kit components.
; and turn on vr-mode so the commands are available immediately
; (comment out of vr-voice-command-list the components that you do not use.)
(load-library (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/vr-mode-commands"))
(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '(
	vr-cachepad-command-list
	vr-else-command-list
	vr-emacs-command-list
        vr-python-command-list
	vr-setnu-command-list
	vr-translate-mode-command-list
	vr-voicegrip-command-list
	vr-vr-command-list
	))

If you comment the above setq vr-voice-command-list code then the command
defined by vr.el work just fine, but then you don't get the other pbvkit
commands.

I have been distracted by more pressing problems like work ;-), when I get
back to it I will post a solution if I find one. If anyone is successfully
using pbvkit with the latest vrmode, please let us know what you had to
change.

Thanks,
pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Staniford [mailto:be...@st...]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:27 AM
To: voice coder
Subject: [VoiceCoder] PBV-KIT with the latest version of vr mode


I have been using the pbv kit for a little while , I'm using
NaturallySpeaking 6 and Windows 2000.  The VR mode has been quite buggy so I
installed the latest version from source forge, after I installed this I
found that select' n' say work much better and VR mode did not crash.  I
also found all the emacs commands that came with the pbv kit stopped
working.

Can anyone tell me why emacs is not loading the commands?  I'm not that
familiar with emacs.

My _emacs file looks like this:

; VR Mode

;(setq vr-win-class "emacs")

(setq vr-win-title "emacs")



; turn on vr mode automatically for certain file types

(setq vr-activation-list '("\\.c$" "\\.cpp$" "\\.cxx$" "\\.h$" "\\.hxx$"
"\\.pl$" "\\.py$" "\\.el$" "\\.java$" "^\*scratch\*$" "\\.txt$"))

;(setq vr-voice-command-list '(vr-default-voice-command-list))





; load lists of voice commands for emacs and all of the pbv kit components.

; and turn on vr-mode so the commands are available immediately

; (comment out of vr-voice-command-list the components that you do not use.)

(load-library (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/vr-mode-commands"))

(setq vr-voice-command-list

'(

vr-default-voice-command-list

vr-cachepad-command-list

vr-else-command-list

vr-emacs-command-list

vr-python-command-list

vr-setnu-command-list

vr-translate-mode-command-list

vr-voicegrip-command-list

vr-vr-command-list

))

RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvki t emacs vr problems)

[Dave F. <da...@al...>]

Pat,

Is the following line in your _emacs file?

(load-library (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/vr-mode-commands"))


It needs to come before:

(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '(
	vr-cachepad-command-list
	vr-else-command-list
	vr-emacs-command-list
      vr-python-command-list
	vr-setnu-command-list
	vr-translate-mode-command-list
	vr-voicegrip-command-list
	vr-vr-command-list
	))


Here's my entire _emacs file for comparison:

==============================


; Sample .emacs file for the PBV Kit

; IMPORTANT: This file will be deleted if you uninstall the PBV Kit, part 2.
; If you want to make changes to this file you should copy this file outside
; of the PBV Kit directory structure, and set your HOME environment variable
; to point to the new directory.  See the readme.htm file for details.

; initialize the pbv extensions
(load-file (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/pbvkit-start.el"))

; CachePad

; use a vertical CachePad window along right margin
(setq cache-horizontal-split t)
(if cache-horizontal-split
    (progn
	(setq cache-column-width (if (< (x-display-pixel-width) 800) 16 21))
	(setq cache-num-columns 1)
	(setq cache-num-rows 20)
))

; uncomment the following line if you want a CachePad window to be
; displayed at the start of your emacs session.
;(create-cache-window)

; VR Mode

; turn on vr mode automatically for certain file types
(setq vr-activation-list '("\\.c$" "\\.cpp$" "\\.cxx$" "\\.h$" "\\.hxx$"
"\\.pl$" "\\.py$" "\\.el$"))

; load lists of voice commands for emacs and all of the pbv kit components.
; and turn on vr-mode so the commands are available immediately
; (comment out of vr-voice-command-list the components that you do not use.)
(load-library (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/vr-mode-commands"))
(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '(
	vr-cachepad-command-list
	vr-else-command-list
	vr-emacs-command-list
        vr-python-command-list
	vr-setnu-command-list
	vr-translate-mode-command-list
	vr-voicegrip-command-list
	vr-vr-command-list
	))
(vr-mode 1)

;;
;; Emacs Niceties
;;
;; The following aren't necessary for programming by voice but they
;; make for a nice Emacs environment.

;; Show Paren mode highlights matching parenthesis.
(show-paren-mode 1)

;; Font Lock mode does syntax highlighting.
(global-font-lock-mode t)
(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration 1) ; no angry fruit salad!

;; Autofill mode will automatically wrap and fill lines.
;; It is intelligent about comments.
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'perl-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'python-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'visual-basic-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

;; CUA mode makes Emacs follow windows conventions with respect to the home
and
;; end keys, extending the selection by holding down shift with arrow keys,
;; and ctrl+c/x/v/z for cut, copy, paste, and undo.
(load (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/cua-mode"))
(CUA-mode t)

(put 'erase-buffer 'disabled nil)


==============================================

dave
--
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da...@cs...

RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvk i t emacs vr problems)

[Pat M. <pa...@op...>]

I think I am getting closer.

The following lines in PBV Kit's _emacs file don't seem to define the
commands in pbvkit/elisp/vr-mode-commands.el with VR mode version 6 (works
fine with version 4). Even with Dave's patch it the commands don't get
defined.

(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '(
	vr-cachepad-command-list
	vr-else-command-list
	vr-emacs-command-list
      vr-python-command-list
	vr-setnu-command-list
	vr-translate-mode-command-list
	vr-voicegrip-command-list
	vr-vr-command-list
	))

If I comment these lines out, the commands defined in vr.el get defined.

Any ideas on how to define the commands in pbvkit/elisp/vr-mode-commands.el?

Thanks,
pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fifield [mailto:da...@al...]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:24 PM
To: ema...@li...
Subject: RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was:
pbvki t emacs vr problems)


Pat,

Patrik is right, there is a problem in VR Mode version 6
in the handling of vr-voice-command-list.  This worked fine
in version 4 but was broken in version 6.  The problem is that
command lists made up of other command lists do not get
parsed properly.

To fix this problem, replace the vr-startup function definition
in vr.el with the one I have included below.  In my vr.el,
it starts online 1273.

The only difference is the addition of the two lines after
my comment (see below).

I patched it in March of 2002 and sent a copy to Patrik (
Patrik, did you get it?) and it has been working fine ever since.

Anyway here's the patch.
=================================================

(defun vr-startup ()
  "Initialize any per-execution state of the VR Mode subprocess."

  (let ((l (lambda (x)
	     (cond ((eq x 'vr-default-voice-commands)
		    (mapcar l vr-default-voice-command-list))
               ;
		   ; Patch to fix lists of lists.
               ; Dave Fifield March 2002
		   ;
		   ((condition-case e (listp (symbol-value x)) ('error nil))
		    (mapcar l (symbol-value x)))

		   ((symbolp x)
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (concat "define-command "
			     (vr-strip-dash x) "|" (symbol-name x))))
		   ((and (listp x) (eq (car x) 'list))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-list %s|%s" (nth 1 x) (nth 2 x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (vectorp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (symbolp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (stringp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   (t
		    (error "Unknown vr-voice-command-list element %s"
			   x))
		   )
	     )))
    (mapcar l (if (eq vr-voice-command-list t)
		  vr-default-voice-command-list
		vr-voice-command-list)))
  ;; don't set up these hooks until after initialization has succeeded
  (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'vr-post-command)
  (add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'vr-enter-minibuffer)
  (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'vr-kill-buffer)
  (vr-maybe-activate-buffer (current-buffer))
  (run-hooks 'vr-mode-startup-hook)
  )
========================================

Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Fifield
da...@cs...

-----Original Message-----
From: ema...@li...
[mailto:ema...@li...]On Behalf Of
Patrik Jonsson
Sent: July 8, 2002 5:48 PM
To: Pat Mecheski; 'ul...@go...';
'ema...@li...'
Subject: RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was:
pbvki t emacs vr problems)


hi again,

It does indeed look like you only have some weird subset of commands
defined.I don't know where this is set, I suggest you grep the pbv kit
files, looking for where the variable vr-voice-command-list is set.  This
variable is set by VR Mode to the default command list in vr.el, but it's
probably being overridden in some other file. The simplest thing for you to
do is probably to comment out things in the pbv kit start up files and
instead just change the command list in VR.el

Good luck,

/Patrik

P.S.  Are you using Emacs voice commander as well?  That should enable you
to use most emacs commands by voice, without explicitly defining them as VR
Mode commands.  There are some advantages to use VR Mode commands, mostly
that VR Mode can't see changes to the buffer that occur as a result of a
voice commander command, and sometimes when using Emacs over a network
connection, the voice commander commands don't seem to be sent
correctly.  VR Mode commands are also slightly faster. On the other hand,
voice commander has a mode-specific mechanism for enabling commands, which
VR Mode doesn't.



At 12:30 PM 7/8/2002 -0700, Pat Mecheski wrote:
>Hello Patrik!
>
>Thanks for responding! I am still stuck.
>
>Below is the output of my VR Mode Process Status window.
>
>I have only modified _emacs to properly set vr-win-class and vr-win-title.
>All other files installed with the pbv-kit have remained unchanged.
>
>Note that selecting by voice works. I am just unable to use the commands
>like "find file" and "quit emacs". It looks like they are not being loaded.



>0 -> define-command vr cachepad command list|vr-cachepad-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr else command list|vr-else-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr emacs command list|vr-emacs-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr python command list|vr-python-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr setnu command list|vr-setnu-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr translate mode command
>list|vr-translate-mode-command-lis...
>0 -> define-command vr voicegrip command list|vr-voicegrip-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr vr command list|vr-vr-command-list

============================================================
Patrik Jonsson					(831) 459-3809
Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics
University of California, Santa Cruz, CA 95064

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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvki t emacs vr problems)

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

>I patched it in March of 2002 and sent a copy to Patrik (
>Patrik, did you get it?) and it has been working fine ever since.

yes, I did get it but then it fell between the cracks.  Thanks for 
reminding me, it'll make it into the next update!

/Patrik

============================================================
Patrik Jonsson					(831) 459-3809
Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics
University of California, Santa Cruz, CA 95064

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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvki t emacs vr problems)

[Dave F. <da...@al...>]

Pat,

Patrik is right, there is a problem in VR Mode version 6
in the handling of vr-voice-command-list.  This worked fine
in version 4 but was broken in version 6.  The problem is that
command lists made up of other command lists do not get
parsed properly.

To fix this problem, replace the vr-startup function definition
in vr.el with the one I have included below.  In my vr.el,
it starts online 1273.

The only difference is the addition of the two lines after
my comment (see below).

I patched it in March of 2002 and sent a copy to Patrik (
Patrik, did you get it?) and it has been working fine ever since.

Anyway here's the patch.
=================================================

(defun vr-startup ()
  "Initialize any per-execution state of the VR Mode subprocess."

  (let ((l (lambda (x)
	     (cond ((eq x 'vr-default-voice-commands)
		    (mapcar l vr-default-voice-command-list))
               ;
		   ; Patch to fix lists of lists.
               ; Dave Fifield March 2002
		   ;
		   ((condition-case e (listp (symbol-value x)) ('error nil))
		    (mapcar l (symbol-value x)))

		   ((symbolp x)
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (concat "define-command "
			     (vr-strip-dash x) "|" (symbol-name x))))
		   ((and (listp x) (eq (car x) 'list))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-list %s|%s" (nth 1 x) (nth 2 x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (vectorp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (symbolp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   ((and (consp x) (stringp (cdr x)))
		    (vr-send-cmd
		     (format "define-command %s|%s" (car x) (cdr x))))
		   (t
		    (error "Unknown vr-voice-command-list element %s"
			   x))
		   )
	     )))
    (mapcar l (if (eq vr-voice-command-list t)
		  vr-default-voice-command-list
		vr-voice-command-list)))
  ;; don't set up these hooks until after initialization has succeeded
  (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'vr-post-command)
  (add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'vr-enter-minibuffer)
  (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'vr-kill-buffer)
  (vr-maybe-activate-buffer (current-buffer))
  (run-hooks 'vr-mode-startup-hook)
  )
========================================

Cheers,
Dave
--
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da...@cs...

-----Original Message-----
From: ema...@li...
[mailto:ema...@li...]On Behalf Of
Patrik Jonsson
Sent: July 8, 2002 5:48 PM
To: Pat Mecheski; 'ul...@go...';
'ema...@li...'
Subject: RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was:
pbvki t emacs vr problems)


hi again,

It does indeed look like you only have some weird subset of commands
defined.I don't know where this is set, I suggest you grep the pbv kit
files, looking for where the variable vr-voice-command-list is set.  This
variable is set by VR Mode to the default command list in vr.el, but it's
probably being overridden in some other file. The simplest thing for you to
do is probably to comment out things in the pbv kit start up files and
instead just change the command list in VR.el

Good luck,

/Patrik

P.S.  Are you using Emacs voice commander as well?  That should enable you
to use most emacs commands by voice, without explicitly defining them as VR
Mode commands.  There are some advantages to use VR Mode commands, mostly
that VR Mode can't see changes to the buffer that occur as a result of a
voice commander command, and sometimes when using Emacs over a network
connection, the voice commander commands don't seem to be sent
correctly.  VR Mode commands are also slightly faster. On the other hand,
voice commander has a mode-specific mechanism for enabling commands, which
VR Mode doesn't.



At 12:30 PM 7/8/2002 -0700, Pat Mecheski wrote:
>Hello Patrik!
>
>Thanks for responding! I am still stuck.
>
>Below is the output of my VR Mode Process Status window.
>
>I have only modified _emacs to properly set vr-win-class and vr-win-title.
>All other files installed with the pbv-kit have remained unchanged.
>
>Note that selecting by voice works. I am just unable to use the commands
>like "find file" and "quit emacs". It looks like they are not being loaded.



>0 -> define-command vr cachepad command list|vr-cachepad-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr else command list|vr-else-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr emacs command list|vr-emacs-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr python command list|vr-python-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr setnu command list|vr-setnu-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr translate mode command
>list|vr-translate-mode-command-lis...
>0 -> define-command vr voicegrip command list|vr-voicegrip-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr vr command list|vr-vr-command-list

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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvki t emacs vr problems)

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

hi again,

It does indeed look like you only have some weird subset of commands 
defined.I don't know where this is set, I suggest you grep the pbv kit 
files, looking for where the variable vr-voice-command-list is set.  This 
variable is set by VR Mode to the default command list in vr.el, but it's 
probably being overridden in some other file. The simplest thing for you to 
do is probably to comment out things in the pbv kit start up files and 
instead just change the command list in VR.el

Good luck,

/Patrik

P.S.  Are you using Emacs voice commander as well?  That should enable you 
to use most emacs commands by voice, without explicitly defining them as VR 
Mode commands.  There are some advantages to use VR Mode commands, mostly 
that VR Mode can't see changes to the buffer that occur as a result of a 
voice commander command, and sometimes when using Emacs over a network 
connection, the voice commander commands don't seem to be sent 
correctly.  VR Mode commands are also slightly faster. On the other hand, 
voice commander has a mode-specific mechanism for enabling commands, which 
VR Mode doesn't.



At 12:30 PM 7/8/2002 -0700, Pat Mecheski wrote:
>Hello Patrik!
>
>Thanks for responding! I am still stuck.
>
>Below is the output of my VR Mode Process Status window.
>
>I have only modified _emacs to properly set vr-win-class and vr-win-title.
>All other files installed with the pbv-kit have remained unchanged.
>
>Note that selecting by voice works. I am just unable to use the commands
>like "find file" and "quit emacs". It looks like they are not being loaded.



>0 -> define-command vr cachepad command list|vr-cachepad-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr else command list|vr-else-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr emacs command list|vr-emacs-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr python command list|vr-python-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr setnu command list|vr-setnu-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr translate mode command
>list|vr-translate-mode-command-lis...
>0 -> define-command vr voicegrip command list|vr-voicegrip-command-list
>0 -> define-command vr vr command list|vr-vr-command-list

============================================================
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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvki t emacs vr problems)

[Pat M. <pa...@op...>]

Hello Patrik!

Thanks for responding! I am still stuck.

Below is the output of my VR Mode Process Status window.

I have only modified _emacs to properly set vr-win-class and vr-win-title.
All other files installed with the pbv-kit have remained unchanged.

Note that selecting by voice works. I am just unable to use the commands
like "find file" and "quit emacs". It looks like they are not being loaded.

Any ideas appreciated, thanks!

pat

Emacs VR Mode, Copyright (C) 1999 Barry Jaspan
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the accompanying file COPYING.txt
<- (listening 1094)
0 <- (connected)

0 -> initialize Emacs|nil|393606
0 <- (initialize succeeded)

0 <- (mic-state on)

Wnd (393606) Emacs/Emacs (Lisp Interaction) -  matches Emacs/*
0 <- (frame-activated 393606)

0 -> define-command vr cachepad command list|vr-cachepad-command-list
0 -> define-command vr else command list|vr-else-command-list
0 -> define-command vr emacs command list|vr-emacs-command-list
0 -> define-command vr python command list|vr-python-command-list
0 -> define-command vr setnu command list|vr-setnu-command-list
0 -> define-command vr translate mode command
list|vr-translate-mode-command-lis...
0 -> define-command vr voicegrip command list|vr-voicegrip-command-list
0 -> define-command vr vr command list|vr-vr-command-list
0 -> deactivate-buffer
0 <- (recognition begin)

0 <- (recognition end)



-----Original Message-----
From: Patrik Jonsson [mailto:pa...@uc...]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:43 AM
To: ul...@go...; ema...@li...
Subject: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvkit
emacs vr problems)


hi,

There are two possible (OK, likely, there are many possible) sources to 
this problem.

Look in the VR Mode protocol trace window.  When you select the Emacs 
window, you should see something like this:
Wnd (722020) Emacs/emacs at griffin 
@lisp-interaction-mode@lisp-mode@||||||||||||@vr-mode@font-lock-mode@abbrev-
mode 
matches Emacs/emacs at griffin

after the number in parentheses is the win-class and win-title of the Emacs 
window, after the "matches" is your VR-win-class/VR-win-title.  If they are 
set incorrectly, you will see "doesn't match" instead of "matches".

If you pass this test, make sure that the commands are actually loading. 
look at the protocol trace when you first start VR Mode.  You should see 
something like this:
Emacs VR Mode, Copyright (C) 1999 Barry Jaspan
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the accompanying file COPYING.txt
<- (listening 2100)
0 <- (connected)

0 -> initialize Emacs|emacs at griffin|722020
0 <- (initialize succeeded)

0 <- (mic-state on)

Wnd (722020) Emacs/emacs at griffin 
@lisp-interaction-mode@lisp-mode@||||||||||||@vr-mode@font-lock-mode@abbrev-
mode 
matches Emacs/emacs at griffin
0 <- (frame-activated 722020)

0 -> define-list 0to20|0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
0 -> define-command activate buffer|vr-add-to-activation-list
0 -> define-command quit|[7]
0 -> define-command undo|undo
... and a lot more like this

the define-commands tell you which commands VR Mode will recognize.  I 
think there is some incompatibility in the pbv kit start up files and the 
current version of VR Mode, so the commands you think are actually set may 
not be so.

if you still have problems, let me know.

/Patrik

At 06:18 PM 7/8/2002 +0900, ul...@go... wrote:
>Pat Mecheski wrote:
>
> > I fixed the emacs frame window handle problem by adding the following
lines
> > to pbvkit's _emacs file
> >
> > (setq vr-win-class '"Emacs")
> > (setq vr-win-title '"")
> >
> > I still can't seem to get vr-mode to recognize basic commands like "find
> > file" or "quit emacs".
>
>I have the same problem. The only, possibly irrelevant, difference might be
>that put the line
>
>      (setq vr-win-title "Emacs")
>
>into pbvkit-start.el
>
>I did not see any reply to Pat's question in the list-archive. Is is it
>possible to solve that problem?
>
>TIA,
>Uli

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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Getting VR Mode to activate (was: pbvkit emacs vr problems)

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

hi,

There are two possible (OK, likely, there are many possible) sources to 
this problem.

Look in the VR Mode protocol trace window.  When you select the Emacs 
window, you should see something like this:
Wnd (722020) Emacs/emacs at griffin 
@lisp-interaction-mode@lisp-mode@||||||||||||@vr-mode@font-lock-mode@abbrev-mode 
matches Emacs/emacs at griffin

after the number in parentheses is the win-class and win-title of the Emacs 
window, after the "matches" is your VR-win-class/VR-win-title.  If they are 
set incorrectly, you will see "doesn't match" instead of "matches".

If you pass this test, make sure that the commands are actually loading. 
look at the protocol trace when you first start VR Mode.  You should see 
something like this:
Emacs VR Mode, Copyright (C) 1999 Barry Jaspan
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the accompanying file COPYING.txt
<- (listening 2100)
0 <- (connected)

0 -> initialize Emacs|emacs at griffin|722020
0 <- (initialize succeeded)

0 <- (mic-state on)

Wnd (722020) Emacs/emacs at griffin 
@lisp-interaction-mode@lisp-mode@||||||||||||@vr-mode@font-lock-mode@abbrev-mode 
matches Emacs/emacs at griffin
0 <- (frame-activated 722020)

0 -> define-list 0to20|0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
0 -> define-command activate buffer|vr-add-to-activation-list
0 -> define-command quit|[7]
0 -> define-command undo|undo
... and a lot more like this

the define-commands tell you which commands VR Mode will recognize.  I 
think there is some incompatibility in the pbv kit start up files and the 
current version of VR Mode, so the commands you think are actually set may 
not be so.

if you still have problems, let me know.

/Patrik

At 06:18 PM 7/8/2002 +0900, ul...@go... wrote:
>Pat Mecheski wrote:
>
> > I fixed the emacs frame window handle problem by adding the following lines
> > to pbvkit's _emacs file
> >
> > (setq vr-win-class '"Emacs")
> > (setq vr-win-title '"")
> >
> > I still can't seem to get vr-mode to recognize basic commands like "find
> > file" or "quit emacs".
>
>I have the same problem. The only, possibly irrelevant, difference might be
>that put the line
>
>      (setq vr-win-title "Emacs")
>
>into pbvkit-start.el
>
>I did not see any reply to Pat's question in the list-archive. Is is it
>possible to solve that problem?
>
>TIA,
>Uli

============================================================
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Re: pbvkit emacs vr problems

[<ul...@go...>]

Pat Mecheski wrote:

> I fixed the emacs frame window handle problem by adding the following lines
> to pbvkit's _emacs file
> 
> (setq vr-win-class '"Emacs")
> (setq vr-win-title '"")
> 
> I still can't seem to get vr-mode to recognize basic commands like "find
> file" or "quit emacs". 

I have the same problem. The only, possibly irrelevant, difference might be 
that put the line 

     (setq vr-win-title "Emacs")

into pbvkit-start.el

I did not see any reply to Pat's question in the list-archive. Is is it 
possible to solve that problem?

TIA,
Uli

[Emacs-vr-mode-users] RE: [VoiceCoder] pbvkit emacs vr problems

[Pat M. <pa...@op...>]

I fixed the emacs frame window handle problem by adding the following lines
to pbvkit's _emacs file
 
(setq vr-win-class '"Emacs")
(setq vr-win-title '"")
 
I still can't seem to get vr-mode to recognize basic commands like "find
file" or "quit emacs". I have no problem using these voice commands with the
version of vr-mode (version 4) that came with pbvkit. When I upgraded
pbvkit's vrmode subdirectory to version 7b, vrmode stopped recognizing the
commands.
 
Are there other changes that must be made to pbvkit's _emacs file?
 
Thanks,
pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Mecheski [mailto:pa...@op...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:48 AM
To: 'Voi...@ya...'
Subject: [VoiceCoder] pbvkit emacs vr problems


Hello,

I installed the PBVKit and upgraded the vrmode subdirectory with release 7.

When I start emacs, I get the following message at the bottom of the window.

VR Mode: 4260484 is not an Emacs frame window handle; ignored.

Is this a problem?

The mini buffer reports VR-on.

When I say a command like "find file", the message at the bottom of the
window flashes

"Waiting for voice recognition..."

and the command is not recognized just the text is written into the buffer.

I suspect something is wrong with my emacs defaults file. I am using the
default _emacs files supplied with the PBVKit, the entry for vr-mode follows
below.

Any help is greatly appreciated. I am running Windows 2000 with Dragon
NaturallySpeaking Professional 6.

Thanks,
Pat

; VR Mode

; turn on vr mode automatically for certain file types
(setq vr-activation-list '("\\.c$" "\\.cpp$" "\\.cxx$" "\\.h$" "\\.hxx$"
"\\.pl$" "\\.py$" "\\.el$"))

; load lists of voice commands for emacs and all of the pbv kit components.
; and turn on vr-mode so the commands are available immediately
; (comment out of vr-voice-command-list the components that you do not use.)
(load-library (substitute-in-file-name "$PBVKITDIR/elisp/vr-mode-commands"))
(setq vr-voice-command-list
      '(
      vr-cachepad-command-list
      vr-else-command-list
      vr-emacs-command-list
        vr-python-command-list
      vr-setnu-command-list
      vr-translate-mode-command-list
      vr-voicegrip-command-list
      vr-vr-command-list
      ))
(vr-mode 1)



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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] similar beginner problem (Emacs-vr-mode)

[Stuart N. <st...@cs...>]

I happen to know that the most recent maintainer of VR-mode, Patrik
Jonsson, has just left for a conference in Hawaii (poor guy).  I'm
sure he'll have some ideas when he returns, but you might have to wait
until the end of the month, unless someone else has some ideas...

Stuart

   From: Glen Harris <gle...@ar...>
   Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:47:16 -0500


   I am a beginner user of VR mode.
   I am having a problem similar to that described by Uday S. Reddy
   (03/13/2002).  

   The mode line in my emacs window states "VR-on", and not "VR:on",
   which I believe (from Patrik Jonsson's posting) is indicative of a
   problem although I am not sure what or how to solve.

   The VR Mode Process Status window shows that I have
   properly set the vr-win-class & vr-win-title variables.
    I see this in the Process Status when I click in my Emacs window:
    Wnd (4195656) Emacs/emacs@AUS-PORT26 matches Emacs/emacs@AUS-PORT26

   Apparently I am using NaturalText(?) to dictate to emacs window
   instead of VR mode, because I see "recognition begin/end"
   in the VR mode process status window (and text does
   indeed appear in the emacs buffer), however I cannot use any of the
   select or correction features.

   Thanks for any assistance.
   Glen

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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] similar beginner problem (Emacs-vr-mode)

[Glen H. <gle...@ar...>]

I am a beginner user of VR mode.
I am having a problem similar to that described by Uday S. Reddy
(03/13/2002).  

The mode line in my emacs window states "VR-on", and not "VR:on",
which I believe (from Patrik Jonsson's posting) is indicative of a
problem although I am not sure what or how to solve.

The VR Mode Process Status window shows that I have
properly set the vr-win-class & vr-win-title variables.
 I see this in the Process Status when I click in my Emacs window:
 Wnd (4195656) Emacs/emacs@AUS-PORT26 matches Emacs/emacs@AUS-PORT26

Apparently I am using NaturalText(?) to dictate to emacs window
instead of VR mode, because I see "recognition begin/end"
in the VR mode process status window (and text does
indeed appear in the emacs buffer), however I cannot use any of the
select or correction features.

Thanks for any assistance.
Glen

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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

[Chris G. <chr...@mo...>]

Finally I found a specific problem:

If I use vr-mode with a document containing a specific character the memory
allocation problems occur. This character looks the same as a space in
Emacs. The source was a web page I cut and pasted from.

I found this character was in the buffer when I tried to save the file.
Emacs highlighted the offending character and complained that I need to
choose a coding system. When I deleted the offending character vr-mode was
happy again.

I have attached a one line text document with the offending character
marked. With this document I don't actually get a message about the enormous
memory allocation, but I do get temporary freezes and messages like:

0 <- (get-buffer-info "nastycharacter.txt" 2)
0 -> selection start FAILED: -1, 0 reading data
timeout waiting for selection start
0 <- (make-changes 0 0 "" 0 10)

Thank you for your patience,

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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

[Chris G. <chr...@mo...>]

Oh dear. The mystery is not solved.

Turning off the Japanese settings gave me some respite from the enormous
memory allocation problem, but it is still occurring. As before, it only
occurs with certain files, and changes to the file sometimes stop it from
occurring.

Seems to me that certain patterns of characters with particular byte
alignments cause the problem. I have not looked at how vr-mode detects the
end of the stream, but I wonder if it can be a improved. Otherwise, perhaps
a limit could be imposed on the length of stream read or the ensuing memory
allocation as a harm minimisation strategy.

Thank you as always for your help,

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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] error in readme.txt

[Darren R. <dra...@ya...>]

Hello,

There's an error in the readme.txt file that had me scratching my head for a
few minutes. In the "Custom voice commands" section, it says that you can
include the default commands in your command list by using
'vr-default-voice-command-list'. This is incorrect, it should be
'vr-default-voice-commands' instead.

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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] Beginner problem

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

Hi Uday,

It seems vr mode does not consider your buffer active.  If the mode line 
indeed says "VR:on", and not "VR-on", the most likely issue is that 
NaturallySpeaking does not recognize the Emacs window.  When you select the 
Emacs window, you should see a line like

Wnd (1114596) Emacs/emacs at griffin 
@c++-mode@ccmode-mode@||||||||||||@else-mode@vr-mode@font-lock-mode@abbrev-mode 
matches Emacs/emacs at griffin

it should say "matches", if it says "doesn't match", you haven't set the 
variables vr-win-class and vr-win-title to the correct values.  They should 
be set to something that uniquely identifies the Emacs window running vr 
mode.  On the line above the word between the number and the/(in this case, 
Emacs), is the win-class, and the thing between the/and "matches" is the 
win-title.  The corresponding strings after "matches" is what your 
vr-win-class and vr-win title are set to.

If it actually does say "matches", there's something strange going on.  It 
should work, get back to me if it doesn't.

The way you tell whether you're dictating using vr mode or using 
NaturalText (Which Just Sends Keystrokes to the Emacs Window), Is to look 
for communication like "make-changes number number number "what you just 
said" in the process status window. This is NaturallySpeaking actually 
communicating with Emacs through vr mode.  If you just see "recognition 
begin/end", but you can still dictate, it's most likely just sending 
keystrokes, in which case "Select Something" won't work.

Hope that helps,

/Patrik

At 12:59 AM 3/14/2002 +0000, Uday S. Reddy wrote:
>I have just installed VR mode, and am running into a problem.  I hope
>this is a common problem and others can tell me what might be going
>wrong.
>
>I can dictate into an Emacs buffer fine.  The modeline says "VR:on".
>But, I am not able to do any select-n-say functions.  Select <word> as
>well as Correct <word> both do nothing.  Beetween saying select and
><word>, I get a message in the minibuffer to the effect of "waiting
>for dictation...".  The VR Mode Process Status window spews out
>(recognition begin) and (recognition end).  So, as far as I can see,
>the utterances are going to the right place.  But, nothing happens.
>
>What can I do?
>
>Cheers,
>Uday
>
>
>
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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] Beginner problem

[Uday S. R. <U....@cs...>]

I have just installed VR mode, and am running into a problem.  I hope
this is a common problem and others can tell me what might be going
wrong.

I can dictate into an Emacs buffer fine.  The modeline says "VR:on".
But, I am not able to do any select-n-say functions.  Select <word> as
well as Correct <word> both do nothing.  Beetween saying select and
<word>, I get a message in the minibuffer to the effect of "waiting
for dictation...".  The VR Mode Process Status window spews out
(recognition begin) and (recognition end).  So, as far as I can see,
the utterances are going to the right place.  But, nothing happens.  

What can I do?

Cheers,
Uday

RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

[Patrik J. <pa...@uc...>]

weird!

Well, as long as it works... :-)

/Patrik

At 09:59 AM 3/13/2002 +0900, Chris Gaskett wrote:
>Mystery soved!
>
>... and it's my fault as usual.
>
>Several months ago I made some changes to my .emacs file so that I could cut
>and paste in Japanese, including cutting and pasting from other MS Windows
>applications.
>
>I added the following lines:
>(set-language-environment "Japanese")
>(set-default-coding-systems 'japanese-shift-jis)
>(set-selection-coding-system 'japanese-shift-jis)
>
>I tested vr-mode a bit at the time, and everything seemed okay. But now it
>seems that some text, given a particular alignment, causes failure.
>
>Today I tried just:
>(set-language-environment "Japanese")
>
>And this is also a problem, just with different errors.
>
>So for the moment I have a workaround. I don't know anything about how these
>different coding systems work, or how to detect the end of the stream in a
>more fail safe manner.
>I think it's not a high priority to try to fix it at the moment.
>
>Sorry again to waste peoples time, at least if this happens to someone else
>we have a good idea where to start looking!
>
>Chris Gaskett
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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

[Chris G. <chr...@mo...>]

Mystery soved!

... and it's my fault as usual.

Several months ago I made some changes to my .emacs file so that I could cut
and paste in Japanese, including cutting and pasting from other MS Windows
applications.

I added the following lines:
(set-language-environment "Japanese")
(set-default-coding-systems 'japanese-shift-jis)
(set-selection-coding-system 'japanese-shift-jis)

I tested vr-mode a bit at the time, and everything seemed okay. But now it
seems that some text, given a particular alignment, causes failure.

Today I tried just:
(set-language-environment "Japanese")

And this is also a problem, just with different errors.

So for the moment I have a workaround. I don't know anything about how these
different coding systems work, or how to detect the end of the stream in a
more fail safe manner.
I think it's not a high priority to try to fix it at the moment.

Sorry again to waste peoples time, at least if this happens to someone else
we have a good idea where to start looking!

Chris Gaskett
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RE: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

[Chris G. <chr...@mo...>]

Hi Patrik (and others),

If I put the text below (without the hyphens above and below) into a file
called test.txt the memory allocation error occurs on the first utterance
after the buffer is activated:

-----------------------------------------------------
The use of Advantage Learning prevents the \myq-values from diverging to 1
but does not prevent policy degradation. The increased variance introduced
by Advantage Learning with small $k$ could be a problem.

Following the by \citeasnoun{lin92} that the experience replay process can
cause unlearning if precautions are not taken, several  to preventing
unlearning are tested:
\begin{enumerate}
\item disposing of experiences after a time limit or after they have been
replayed several times;
\item maintaining separate data bases for reward = 0 and reward = -1 to try
to maintain a balance of these experiences;
\item various numbers of hidden nodes;
\item various fixed learning rates; and
\item regularising the neural network weights.
\end{enumerate}
These measures are ineffective in this case.

This experiment confirms that the convergence problem is not limited to
finding a good policy, but also includes maintaining a good policy. Use of
the new off-policy TD($\lambda$) algorithm proposed by
\citeasnoun{off-policy-eligibility} is suggested as a fruitful avenue for
investigation as it may improve stability by reducing the reliance on
bootstrapping.
------------------------------------------------------

There should be linebreaks only after "problem.", "tested:", each item in
the list (includeing {enumerate}), "case." and "bootstrapping."

Strangely, I can't isolate any particular part or the text that causes the
problem. If I remove any lines there is no memory allocation error. I
removed some words from the original text and the error still occurs, but if
I change large chunks the memory allocation error stops occurring. If I
remove enough to stop the error, run vr-mode, then undo the changes it
doesn't give an error ... until I do vr-resychronize.

I did some editing on the files that don't cause a freeze but require
constant resynchronisation. These files also produce memory allocation
errors.

I did all these tests on a fresh "out of the box" vr-mode to make sure it
wasn't something I changed.

Thanks for your help,

Chris Gaskett

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At 03:58 PM 3/12/2002 +0900, Chris Gaskett wrote:
>0 -> selection start FAILED: out of memory allocating 1696625512 bytes
>timeout waiting for selection start

Christ!

I have never, ever, seen that, and I can't even imagine what it's trying to
do! that error means that it seems to be reading garbage from the socket
connected to Emacs... has this always happened?  If not, when did it start?
Can you isolate the conditions that makes it happen?

I'm completely out of my league here, I don't know anything about how these
things work... :-(

Followed by the entire file I am editing, consisting of many screens of text
>(1 chapter, 38kb). I expected to only see one screen worth of text being
>communicated. I didn't mark or select the text or scroll around to cause
>this to occur, nor is all the text on 1 enormous line. The freezes occur
>whether or not I have vr-mode logging on and status window open.

this is standard.  Vr mode downloads the entire buffer, and from that point
on uses differential updates until it realizes (or you tell it) that it
needs to resynchronize again.  Whether this is the best way can be
discussed...

/Patrik

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Re: [Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

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At 03:58 PM 3/12/2002 +0900, Chris Gaskett wrote:
>0 -> selection start FAILED: out of memory allocating 1696625512 bytes
>timeout waiting for selection start

Christ!

I have never, ever, seen that, and I can't even imagine what it's trying to 
do! that error means that it seems to be reading garbage from the socket 
connected to Emacs... has this always happened?  If not, when did it start? 
Can you isolate the conditions that makes it happen?

I'm completely out of my league here, I don't know anything about how these 
things work... :-(

Followed by the entire file I am editing, consisting of many screens of text
>(1 chapter, 38kb). I expected to only see one screen worth of text being
>communicated. I didn't mark or select the text or scroll around to cause
>this to occur, nor is all the text on 1 enormous line. The freezes occur
>whether or not I have vr-mode logging on and status window open.

this is standard.  Vr mode downloads the entire buffer, and from that point 
on uses differential updates until it realizes (or you tell it) that it 
needs to resynchronize again.  Whether this is the best way can be discussed...

/Patrik

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[Emacs-vr-mode-users] enormous memory allocation and freeze

[Chris G. <chr...@mo...>]

Dear friends,

After having some success with the vr-mode I'm having trouble again, but
only with some files. As usual, I'm having trouble finding the pattern.

I am using vr-mode v6 patch 1, Dragon NaturallySpeaking preferred version 5,
under Windows 2000.

I'm getting some freezes just after making an utterance. The status window
shows:

0 <- (recognition begin)

0 <- (get-buffer-info "consequences.tex" 779)

0 -> selection start FAILED: out of memory allocating 1696625512 bytes
timeout waiting for selection start
0 <- (make-changes 18 0 "continuous state reinforcement learning " 57 0)

0 -> tick FAILED: out of memory allocating 1870097952 bytes
timeout waiting for tick
0 <- (recognition end)

In the *vr* buffer on opening the document I get:

-> (get-buffer-info "consequences.tex" -1)
get-buffer-info: current buffer: consequences.tex vr-buffer:consequences.tex
 #<overlay in no buffer> nil
<- r 328
<- r 328
<- r 0
<- r 977
<- r 1 modified
<- r 779
<- r 38260
<- r \chapter{Issues for Continuous \myq-Learning}\label{sec:issues}
\begin{Quote}
  A monk asked

Followed by the entire file I am editing, consisting of many screens of text
(1 chapter, 38kb). I expected to only see one screen worth of text being
communicated. I didn't mark or select the text or scroll around to cause
this to occur, nor is all the text on 1 enormous line. The freezes occur
whether or not I have vr-mode logging on and status window open.

Editing some other files is sometimes okay, some of which are twice the size
of the file above, but I lose synchronisation often. Often M-x
vr-resynchronise does not fix the synchronisation for me, even temporarily.

I welcome any suggestions.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Gaskett
chr...@mo...
www.geocities.com/~chris_gaskett

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