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is back from the dead !

Happy New Year !

Yvan

Hi,

As you surely know, there is a profile manager in mozilla, and when
you're running a mozilla application, it uses a profile, generally the
default one. Nowadays, with even Windows having multiple accounts, it
is less needed than before, but it is still there and it is still
probably used by some people. I was wondering if we should use this
functionnality for managing the membership ID in DvdXul. That way,
each Mozilla profile would be associated with a DvdXul ID.  This would
simplify some things for us (no need to worry about finding a way to
know with who is associated each DVD collection), and probably
complexify others..
So what do you think about that ? What should we do ?

Regards,

Yvan

Hi,

I just stumbled upon a Thunderbird Extension which apparently allows
the user to choose the locale, so it seems it is exactly what we need
: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=3Dthunderb=
ird&id=3D356&vid=3D1104

Yvan

PS : I don't have much time this week, once more :\ But don't worry,
I'm still writing XUL, so it can only be a good thing for our project
:)

Hi fellas,

> I trust you'll find the good solutions for the dbxpcom problems.

Good new ! Indeed it was a registration problem. I just did a
completely fresh install, and it worked like a charm :-)
For information : xulrunner from 04/17/2005 and gecko-sdk-1.7

Have a good week-end,

Yvan

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Hi,
unfortunately I had no time for dvdxul these days and next week will
be short ( --> RMLL : http://2005.rencontresmondiales.org/sections )
I trust you'll find the good solutions for the dbxpcom problems.
Concerning skin and locale, I'll try to figure out how they handle it
asap, and for the autonomous application, that's again great news :)
Thank you for all these news !
isydor

Yvan Norsa a écrit :

>Hi,
>
>I think it would be great if we could make a sort of weekly report
>about what's going on in DvdXul, and what's next.
>
>So I've added the preferences page, which should allow the user to
>choose the local storage mode. But there are two problems :
>
>- there is a test when the user selects the DbXML component, which is
>meant to load the DbXPCOM component to check it is available. This
>test is wrong, and I'm gonna correct it soon. Also, it just checks the
>availaibility of the component, I guess we could (should ?) also check
>dbxml itself, probably by trying to actually *use* DbXPCOM.
>
>- DbXPCOM seems to be broken ! Indeed it shouldn't be, as there hasn't
>been any changes on it since some time, but the fact is, it failed
>when I tried it some days ago. Unfortunately I haven't much free time
>nowadays, but my guess is I just had some troubles with the XPCOM
>component registration, so if someone could test that, it would be
>great.
>
>The other preferences (skin and locale) aren't really active yet,
>because I simply don't know how to do it ^^ Indeed, I guess we could
>probably hack the xul file(s) directly and dynamically change the css
>and dtd, but that feels kinda wrong, doesn't it ? :)
>So we would need to have a look in moz'source (
>http://lxr.mozilla.org/ ) and see how they're doing it.
>
>I also recenlty stumbled upon a cool page (
>http://xulfr.org/wiki/ApplicationAutonome ) which explains how to have
>a really independent application (which doesn't even need xulrunner;
>like firefox/thunderbird/nvu, indeed). I do not know of an english
>version, but I guess there should be some infos on this topic
>somewhere :)
>Of course we don't really need to have this working soon, but anyway,
>it would be pretty cool :)
>Furthermore, it is *possible* that it *could* simplify the xpcom
>registration problems, and even remove them completely !
>
>And finally, I really have to made the changes we discussed last week
>on the online database, so we'd be able to finish the dvd edition
>pages and stuff, which would be also really great :)
>
>So, a lot of great things are coming up our way, but which require a
>great amount of work :)
>
>Happy hacking,
>
>Yvan
>
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Hi,

I think it would be great if we could make a sort of weekly report
about what's going on in DvdXul, and what's next.

So I've added the preferences page, which should allow the user to
choose the local storage mode. But there are two problems :

- there is a test when the user selects the DbXML component, which is
meant to load the DbXPCOM component to check it is available. This
test is wrong, and I'm gonna correct it soon. Also, it just checks the
availaibility of the component, I guess we could (should ?) also check
dbxml itself, probably by trying to actually *use* DbXPCOM.

- DbXPCOM seems to be broken ! Indeed it shouldn't be, as there hasn't
been any changes on it since some time, but the fact is, it failed
when I tried it some days ago. Unfortunately I haven't much free time
nowadays, but my guess is I just had some troubles with the XPCOM
component registration, so if someone could test that, it would be
great.

The other preferences (skin and locale) aren't really active yet,
because I simply don't know how to do it ^^ Indeed, I guess we could
probably hack the xul file(s) directly and dynamically change the css
and dtd, but that feels kinda wrong, doesn't it ? :)
So we would need to have a look in moz'source (
http://lxr.mozilla.org/ ) and see how they're doing it.

I also recenlty stumbled upon a cool page (
http://xulfr.org/wiki/ApplicationAutonome ) which explains how to have
a really independent application (which doesn't even need xulrunner;
like firefox/thunderbird/nvu, indeed). I do not know of an english
version, but I guess there should be some infos on this topic
somewhere :)
Of course we don't really need to have this working soon, but anyway,
it would be pretty cool :)
Furthermore, it is *possible* that it *could* simplify the xpcom
registration problems, and even remove them completely !

And finally, I really have to made the changes we discussed last week
on the online database, so we'd be able to finish the dvd edition
pages and stuff, which would be also really great :)

So, a lot of great things are coming up our way, but which require a
great amount of work :)

Happy hacking,

Yvan

Hi,

> i have no specfic "wishes", but please don't define highly draconic rules
> and don't be mope if there will some other stylings.

Don't worry :)
Indeed, I'm thinking of establishing a kind of post-commit
indentation, it that's possible with sourceforge..

Ivan wrote:

> As we're beginning to have a good amount of code (3000 LOC, without
> DbXPCOM), I think it should be good if we could establish some
> conventions, like indentation size...
> I personnaly like the BSD/Allman style, but I'm sure we are able to
> agree on something which would suit all of us.
>
> So, any thoughts on the subject ? (Of course I do no want to start a
> holy war, I just want to not spend time re-indenting code).

i have no specfic "wishes", but please don't define highly draconic rules
and don't be mope if there will some other stylings.

denny

As we're beginning to have a good amount of code (3000 LOC, without
DbXPCOM), I think it should be good if we could establish some
conventions, like indentation size...
I personnaly like the BSD/Allman style, but I'm sure we are able to
agree on something which would suit all of us.

So, any thoughts on the subject ? (Of course I do no want to start a
holy war, I just want to not spend time re-indenting code).

Yvan

> Yvan wrote:

>> + dvd.user_number
>> for storing the number of the dvd in the collection of the user
>
>Hmm, I'm not sure why you would want to know that ?
>

for example, in your own collection, you have written a number on the
dvd-case.
these numbers the user usually want to store in his local database.

denny

> + movie_speaker (new table)
> in cartoons, comics and other films, there are some famous speaker someti=
mes

I guess that would be in actors.
=20
> + what about the FSK (the name in german) or in english "Rated: Not for s=
ale
> to persons under age 18."

Yep. As I sait in my former mail :
"It still lacks some things, like :
- rating
"

> + store informations about music in the film (artists)

Good idea

> + Format: like Color, Closed-captioned, Dolby, Widescreen
> + Aspect Ratio(s): like 2.35:1

"- video format"

> + Audio Encoding: like Dolby Digital 5.1

I've got a problem with this one, as it is usually not the same for
various languages. But I guess it could be useful

> + DVD Release Date
> + Movie Production Year/Date

"- release (movies, dvd)"

> + Encoding: like Region 1 (U.S. and Canada only.)

Already there : dvd.zone

> + dvd.user_number
> for storing the number of the dvd in the collection of the user

Hmm, I'm not sure why you would want to know that ?

Yvan

here some more features for the online-db:

+ movie_speaker (new table)
in cartoons, comics and other films, there are some famous speaker sometimes

+ what about the FSK (the name in german) or in english "Rated: Not for sale
to persons under age 18."
+ store informations about music in the film (artists)
+ Format: like Color, Closed-captioned, Dolby, Widescreen
+ Aspect Ratio(s): like 2.35:1
+ Audio Encoding: like Dolby Digital 5.1
+ DVD Release Date
+ Movie Production Year/Date
+ Encoding: like Region 1 (U.S. and Canada only.)

some features for local-db:

+ dvd.user_number
for storing the number of the dvd in the collection of the user

> how i can set up the settings with xulrunner? there is no about:config
> page...

The "about:config" part was just there to give you the list of the
proxy related settings in Mozilla. To set the preferences in
xulrunner, you have to do it in the code, using :

var prefs =3D Components.classes["@mozilla.org/preferences-service;1"].getS=
ervice(Components.interfaces.nsIPrefBranch);
prefs.setCharPref("preference_name", "value");

Here is the list :
http://www.mozilla.org/quality/networking/docs/netprefs.html#proxy

Yvan

>> Do you mean that all the proxy stuff is already implemented thanks to
>> xulrunner libs ? Yeah that's cool !

>Indeed it is thanks to mozilla's libs, but yeah, that's it, basically.

how i can set up the settings with xulrunner? there is no about:config
page...

denny

> Do you mean that all the proxy stuff is already implemented thanks to
> xulrunner libs ? Yeah that's cool !

Indeed it is thanks to mozilla's libs, but yeah, that's it, basically.
=20
> Errr, not sure that I fully understand but here is my point of view :
> - - we should ask for L/P only to modify the online database, not for
> local use of dvdxul. Then, the easiest way is to remotely store the
> pair on the online database.

I was talking of the way to store the user's login/password locally,
so he doesn't have to type it each time it's needed.

Yvan

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Yvan Norsa a écrit :

>Hi,
>
Hi Yvan !

>- I looked a bit on the proxy settings, and apparently, it should be
>transparent for us. We just have to set the preferences (open
>"about:config" in Firefox and type "proxy" in the filter field to get
>the list) and it should be used automatically. Great news, isn't it ?

Do you mean that all the proxy stuff is already implemented thanks to
xulrunner libs ? Yeah that's cool !

>- About the membership thing.. I wanted to use the mozilla's password
>manager but it seems it is not possible to use it with xulrunner :S So
>I'll guess we have to handle that ourselves if we want to store it,
>maybe with a simple Base64, or some kind of hashing (which would be
>kind of silly, as the user woud still have to enter his password.. so
>it would be as easy not to store it). So basically we have to decide
>if we want to store the login and/or the password, and if yes, how to
>do it.

Errr, not sure that I fully understand but here is my point of view :
- - we should ask for L/P only to modify the online database, not for
local use of dvdxul. Then, the easiest way is to remotely store the
pair on the online database.

>
>It would be great if I could get some feedback on the database scheme
>and what we should add to it. I really think that once that will be
>"frozen", we will be able to work on DvdXul at a greater pace.

Sure, I'll give feedback on it tomorrow.

Best,
Isydor

>
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>
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Hi,

- I looked a bit on the proxy settings, and apparently, it should be
transparent for us. We just have to set the preferences (open
"about:config" in Firefox and type "proxy" in the filter field to get
the list) and it should be used automatically. Great news, isn't it ?
- About the membership thing.. I wanted to use the mozilla's password
manager but it seems it is not possible to use it with xulrunner :S So
I'll guess we have to handle that ourselves if we want to store it,
maybe with a simple Base64, or some kind of hashing (which would be
kind of silly, as the user woud still have to enter his password.. so
it would be as easy not to store it). So basically we have to decide
if we want to store the login and/or the password, and if yes, how to
do it.

It would be great if I could get some feedback on the database scheme
and what we should add to it. I really think that once that will be
"frozen", we will be able to work on DvdXul at a greater pace.

Yvan

> i've read the user should can edit the dvd-data. is the edition saved in
> lokal data or in remote data or in both?
> is this a problem you will solve with membership management?

I guess the edition should be saved in both. The membership system is
only here to prevent anyone from damaging the database (of course it
doesn't really prevent anything, but it allows us to reject vandals).
So when an user sees an error in a DVD in his collection, he can edit
it and send back the data to the online database, so everyone can
benefit of his correction.

(Which means that we'll need an update system, not only for the online
database, but also for the dvd stored in the local one.)

Yvan

not bad :-)

a question...

i've read the user should can edit the dvd-data. is the edition saved in
lokal data or in remote data or in both?
is this a problem you will solve with membership management?

denny

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Betreff: [Dvdxul-devs] Features list

Hi,

Here is a features list :
http://dvdxul.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Features
Of course it is far from complete, so please add everything you can think of
:)

Yvan

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Hi,

Here is a features list :
http://dvdxul.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Features
Of course it is far from complete, so please add everything you can think o=
f :)

Yvan

Hi,

Here is a scheme of the future version of the DvdXul online database :
http://dvdxul.org/dvdxulDb.png
It still lacks some things, like :
- editor/studio
- release (movies, dvd)
- rating
- video format
- dvd features
- movie producer
And we should also translate countries and languages names, as we're
doing it for genre.
Of course it is not definitive at all, so feel free to comment.

Yvan

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Hi both of you,

I created the "article" and added a few elements to the TODO List on
the wiki, there :
http://dvdxul.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/TODO_List

Just write your name at the end of the topic you want to participate to.

Cheers,
isydor

Denny Reeh a écrit :

>a wiki is fine.
>a good example is eaccelerator.net . all things can easy written in wiki, so
>the html-part of ein webpage and uploading it, can be omitted.
>
>denny
>
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>An: dvd...@li...
>Betreff: Re: [Dvdxul-devs] Things to do
>
>
>On 6/10/05, Denny Reeh <den...@si...> wrote:
>
>>are there any homepage or web site with release planing or todo stuff?
>
>
>Not yet, but it is actually a thing to do ^^
>We don't have any kind of release planning for now, and the todo stuff
>is very unformal.
>We have a wiki isydor and I used at the very beginning, but it is in
>french and is quite outdated now (
>http://dvdxul.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Accueil ).
>I guess we should update it (in english), or put a Web page. It would
>be probably more practical that this mailing-list.
>I'm also currently redesigning the online database, and I hope to put
>online a scheme of it tonight.
>After that we should be able to envision the next things to do, mainly
>about the 'mapping' between DvdXul, the online db, and the local db.
>isydor is currently working on RDF storage, which could help the
>process of displaying the data in the UI.
>
>Yvan
>
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a wiki is fine.
a good example is eaccelerator.net . all things can easy written in wiki, so
the html-part of ein webpage and uploading it, can be omitted.

denny

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An: dvd...@li...
Betreff: Re: [Dvdxul-devs] Things to do

On 6/10/05, Denny Reeh <den...@si...> wrote:
> are there any homepage or web site with release planing or todo stuff?

Not yet, but it is actually a thing to do ^^
We don't have any kind of release planning for now, and the todo stuff
is very unformal.
We have a wiki isydor and I used at the very beginning, but it is in
french and is quite outdated now (
http://dvdxul.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Accueil ).
I guess we should update it (in english), or put a Web page. It would
be probably more practical that this mailing-list.
I'm also currently redesigning the online database, and I hope to put
online a scheme of it tonight.
After that we should be able to envision the next things to do, mainly
about the 'mapping' between DvdXul, the online db, and the local db.
isydor is currently working on RDF storage, which could help the
process of displaying the data in the UI.

Yvan

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On 6/10/05, Denny Reeh <den...@si...> wrote:
> are there any homepage or web site with release planing or todo stuff?

Not yet, but it is actually a thing to do ^^
We don't have any kind of release planning for now, and the todo stuff
is very unformal.
We have a wiki isydor and I used at the very beginning, but it is in
french and is quite outdated now (
http://dvdxul.sourceforge.net/mediawiki-1.4.2/index.php/Accueil ).
I guess we should update it (in english), or put a Web page. It would
be probably more practical that this mailing-list.
I'm also currently redesigning the online database, and I hope to put
online a scheme of it tonight.
After that we should be able to envision the next things to do, mainly
about the 'mapping' between DvdXul, the online db, and the local db.
isydor is currently working on RDF storage, which could help the
process of displaying the data in the UI.

Yvan

are there any homepage or web site with release planing or todo stuff?

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On 6/10/05, Denny Reeh <den...@si...> wrote:
> my first things, that should be done are:
>
> - new page for preferences: setup a proxy ;-) and other settings. with
> XMLHttpRequest it should be working...
> - new page for about: showing infos about programm, homepage, version etc.
> - starter scripts missing for klicky-user ;-) my idea, there is a
dvdxul.bat
> or dvdxul.sh, which the application starts.
>
> what do you think?

Great. For now we haven't worked too much on the "user" part, because
we are still at the very beginning. But of course it will be needed at
a point, so doing it now is fine. BTW, I hope that when DvdXul will be
ready for a first release, XulRunner will be more advanced too (see
http://wiki.mozilla.org/XUL:Installation_Story ).
There is also the whole part with choosing the css, the dtd, or even
the storage system (localFS or localDBXML).

> - should all pages are hangs in tabs? or maybe is a normal menu better?
with
> the normal menu, you can push sub-menuentries in it.

About the UI, nothing is definitive. isydor and I have done the actual
UI just to have something to work with. Indeed I am a terrible UI
designer :)
We are "a bit" inspired by DvdProfiler (
http://www.intervocative.com/dvdpro/Info.aspx , screenshots :
http://www.ultim8team.com/~nono/dvdprofiler/ ), which is a great
proprietary software :-\
I put tabs in the "new dvd" tab because otherwise, the page was way too big.
So yeah, if you got ideas about this part, feel free to do something about
it :)

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