Re: [Dissco-list] more about the new CMOD

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I saw two or three ways of doing this back when Sever and I
were talking about it, and so I think i'll toss them out
there. One way is if Patter::Delivery is ALWAYS called after a
create (i.e. you never want to be able to create a pattern
without calling dilevry), then we could have the delivery
arguments be arguments to Patter after the list of arguments
currently handeled. One other option is to make a Delivery
option inside the patter function that would operate the same
way as itin and the other ones, but would deliver the
function, and the last is to make it another function. I would
argue against the last because I'm not sure how that would
affect the current framework, since there would be no
attribute we could assign it to, as far as I can see (unless
we'd be saying youd' have to call Deliver( Patter(...) ) or
something similar).

Just my 2 cents
-Alok

---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:20:16 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Sever Tipei <s-...@ui...>  
>Subject: Re: [Dissco-list] more about the new CMOD  
>To: David Anderson <mr....@gm...>
>Cc: Sever Tipei <s-...@ui...>,
dis...@li...
>
>Yes, the checkPoint is the moment in time at which the choice
of a patter 
>element is made; it is sent down the line to various Select
methods.
>
>Unfortunately, I have no idea about the new syntax.  All I
can say is that 
>pattern used to work in two stages: first a pattern _was_
created in the 
>Nursery and the sequence of numbers _was_ storred at the end
of the 
>pattern file.  This used to take place the first time through
the loop 
>which creates new subobjects.  Then, Delivery _was_ called
which would 
>select one number (element of the pattern) according to various 
>considerations, some depending on either the checkPoint or
the offset 
>(itself either the type or the number of the subobject).
>
>Sorry I can't be more helpful.  Maybe someone else can jump
in and add to 
>this.
>
> 					Sever
>
>On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, David Anderson wrote:
>
>> The only thing checkpoint seems to be used for is it is
passed into
>> Patter::Delivery which passes it to Patter::Chooser, which
ultimately passes
>> it to ReadComputeFloat.
>>
>> Do you have an example of how the new Patter::Delivery
syntax is supposed to
>> work?  From the looks of it, it is going to be a nested
syntax like creating
>> the patter in the first place.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 6/4/06, Sever Tipei <s-...@ui...> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks David for loooking into this.
>>> 
>>> The checkpoint is private and available to the class (I am
told...).
>>> Offset points to an element of a list and, I think, now
it's hidden in the
>>> Select or getNumber functions (?).
>>> 
>>> I am copying this to the entire team, maybe someone (John
?) would be kind
>>> enough to clarify this because I am totally confused
myself.  It would
>>> also help a lot if someone would add comments and comment
out the portions
>>> which are deprecated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>>                         Sever
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, David Anderson wrote:
>>> 
>>> > In Patter::Delivery it looks like it calls
Patter::Chooser and gives it
>>> two
>>> > arguments.
>>> >
>>> > What is checkpoint and offset?  I am guessing offset it
offset in the
>>> file
>>> > for the chooser parameters, and I really should just
replace it with a
>>> > fileValue type call just like Delivery.
>>> >
>>> >   } else if (strcmp(method, "CHOOSER") == 0) {
>>> >     value = Patter::Chooser(checkPoint, offset);
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 6/2/06, Sever Tipei <s-...@ui...> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks David, let me know if there is anyway I can help.
>>> >>
>>> >>                                         Sever
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, David Anderson wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I'll take a look at it.   I've been out of town for a
little bit, but
>>> I
>>> >> am
>>> >> > back now for most of the summer.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > David
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 5/26/06, Sever Tipei <s-...@ui...> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi all,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Alok was kind enough to volunteer some time
yesterday and help my
>>> move
>>> >> >> ahead a little further.  One thing that we
discovered is that the
>>> >> option
>>> >> >>          } else if (s == "Patter") {
>>> >> >> in filevalue.cpp does not include the old
>>> >> >>         int Patter::Delivery(double checkPoint, int
offset)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> function and related methods.  In other words, the
new version
>>> builds
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> pattern but does not have any options for using it,
for assigning
>>> >> >> individual elements of the pattern to frequency, for
example.  Could
>>> >> >> someone (David ?) take a little time and provide the
missing methods
>>> ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks in advance and, I am afraid, this is not the
last you are
>>> going
>>> >> to
>>> >> >> hear from me...
>>> >> >>
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