From: devil-linux d. <dev...@co...> - 2005-08-28 12:06:09
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Hi all, =20 does anybody know, if the DL documatation is also availible in PDF? When yes where? =20 kind regards Robert =20 CompuLab - Consult Robert Schuster Am Karmelkloster 16 53229 Bonn =20 mailto:rob...@co... <mailto:rob...@co...> =20 Tel. +49 228 97604-0 Fax. +49 228 97604-25 mobil +49 175 1606254 |
From: John v. V. <joh...@ya...> - 2005-08-28 12:59:10
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PDF is not GPL PDF is a control application, their concept of security depends on the user being controlled, unable to work with the document, the worst part of the Information Society Trust to us is a security concept, it is a parallel to human trust. But trust to Adobe and Micro$oft means that they control your computer, they can trust your system because it is not really yours, it is still theirs. This is described in the (so-called) IP area but the documents I have been using are too convoluted to cut and paste easily but here is a link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing Here is a link of mine that talks about it in generalities esp in terms of global trade http://linux-society.blogspot.com/2005/04/short-history-of-information-society.html And the source information http://linux-society.blogspot.com/2005/04/short-history-of-information-society.html John van V. --- devil-linux discuss <dev...@co...> wrote: > Hi all, > > does anybody know, if the DL documatation is also availible in PDF? When > yes where? > > kind regards > Robert > > CompuLab - Consult > Robert Schuster > Am Karmelkloster 16 > 53229 Bonn > > mailto:rob...@co... > <mailto:rob...@co...> > Tel. +49 228 97604-0 > Fax. +49 228 97604-25 > mobil +49 175 1606254 > Linux Society Blog http://linux-society.blogspot.com/ Linux Society Group http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/lnxsoc LinuxBIOS http://wiki.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs |
From: Chad M. <ch...@th...> - 2005-08-28 17:09:03
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John van V. wrote: >>does anybody know, if the DL documatation is also availible in PDF? When >>yes where? >> > PDF is not GPL You know, you could have just said "no," and answered his question. The vast majority of people are interested in just using their computers as tools, and don't wish to deal with the politics of Free/Proprietary Software. Chad Martin |
From: Lynn G. <lg...@ad...> - 2005-08-28 19:21:39
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Perhaps, but a simple "no" would just lead to the next question, "Well, when are you going to provide it in PDF form?" Probably better to get the rationale out in the open right away. And some folks *do* care about the FOSS vs. proprietary issue. Lynn Grant On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 12:09 -0500, Chad Martin wrote: > John van V. wrote: > >>does anybody know, if the DL documatation is also availible in PDF? When > >>yes where? > >> > > PDF is not GPL > > You know, you could have just said "no," and answered his question. The > vast majority of people are interested in just using their computers as > tools, and don't wish to deal with the politics of Free/Proprietary > Software. > > Chad Martin > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Devil-linux-discuss mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss > > |
From: Dave H. <dhy...@gm...> - 2005-08-28 20:17:32
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HI, On 8/28/05, John van V. <joh...@ya...> wrote: >=20 > PDF is not GPL >=20 >=20 > PDF is a control application, their concept of security depends on the us= er > being controlled, unable to work with the document, the worst part of the > Information Society Huh? PDF is file format for crying out loud. Not too different from PostSc= ript. Acrobat might be a control application, but nobody is forcing you to use it= . --=20 Dave Hylands Vancouver, BC, Canada http://www.DaveHylands.com/ |
From: John v. V. <joh...@ya...> - 2005-08-29 03:48:39
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> Huh? PDF is file format for crying out loud. Not too different from > PostScript. I looked really hard for the PDF format license, which I am absolutely certain exists and is proprietary, but I couldn't find it. Unlikely, but they may pull the license, the same issue applies for GIF which I think is owned by AOL, which is why Stallman wants people to use JPG I looked REALLY hard for a easy to use free and open PDF writer and couldnt find one, the best was a workaround designed to convert mainframe man type pages into something palatable, and the bug history looked a little scary XML is ideal for publishing, and there is proprietary XML, M$ metro is an example, but the publically available offerings are growing everyday Robert wrote: >So you smart ass (sorry, but to much is to much) This is why I left technolgy, far, far too much mental illness People really like my work on the Information Society and how it resembles the Roman Empire, a diffuse tribute collection system, > Acrobat might be a control application, but nobody is forcing you to use it. Fine, dont read my posts, nobody is forcing you to John van V. > > > -- > Dave Hylands > Vancouver, BC, Canada > http://www.DaveHylands.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Devil-linux-discuss mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss > Linux Society Blog http://linux-society.blogspot.com/ Linux Society Group http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/lnxsoc LinuxBIOS http://wiki.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail |
From: Rich D. <rd...@th...> - 2005-08-29 04:39:00
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On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 20:48 -0700, John van V. wrote: > I looked REALLY hard for a easy to use free and open PDF writer and couldnt > find one, the best was a workaround designed to convert mainframe man type > pages into something palatable, and the bug history looked a little scary How about ps2pdf, comes with ghostscript There is a PDF creator inside openoffice, just click the button on the toolbar to convert your spreadsheet, document, whatever to PDF. If you want to create PDF's with code, use perl and PDF::Create. As for viewers, try xpdf, gpdf or ghostview. While the PDF standard is copyright adobe, I don't believe it's patented, and I think it's a bit too late as the format is more or less completely documented in the so-called adobe blue book, written and sold by adobe. The GIF LZW patent, which was really related to image compression, is what caused problems for folks using that particular format and spurred the development on PNG. Regards, Rich -- Current Conditions in Des Moines, IA Broken Clouds Temp 84.2F Winds calm |
From: John v. V. <joh...@ya...> - 2005-08-29 05:24:11
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Ok, now go ahead turn all the DL docs into PDF in your openoffice so some anti-GNU pro-Mircosoft sociopath can print his docs at ease and better suck up to his boss I really cant believe that I am arguing the case for free software on a Linux list To be totally honest, the list is starting to resemble an Argentina backwater at the end of WWII, when does the next U boat arrive ?? BTW, openoffice is problematic, I downloaded their manual on this 28.8 connection today and tried to break it up into chapters. It took hours, finally I succeeded by using NVU, with more effort They are trying to beat M$ at their own game and losing, the real answer is what I did to spreadsheets in the mid 90s, I used (and still) persistent complex structures and created an HTML reader/editor for them Now everybody has complex structures, tho in castrated format, XML --- Rich Duzenbury <rd...@th...> wrote: > On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 20:48 -0700, John van V. wrote: > > I looked REALLY hard for a easy to use free and open PDF writer and couldnt > > find one, the best was a workaround designed to convert mainframe man type > > pages into something palatable, and the bug history looked a little scary > > How about ps2pdf, comes with ghostscript > > There is a PDF creator inside openoffice, just click the button on the > toolbar to convert your spreadsheet, document, whatever to PDF. > > If you want to create PDF's with code, use perl and PDF::Create. > > As for viewers, try xpdf, gpdf or ghostview. > > While the PDF standard is copyright adobe, I don't believe it's > patented, and I think it's a bit too late as the format is more or less > completely documented in the so-called adobe blue book, written and sold > by adobe. The GIF LZW patent, which was really related to image > compression, is what caused problems for folks using that particular > format and spurred the development on PNG. > > > Regards, > Rich > > -- > Current Conditions in Des Moines, IA > Broken Clouds > Temp 84.2F > Winds calm > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Devil-linux-discuss mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss > Linux Society Blog http://linux-society.blogspot.com/ Linux Society Group http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/lnxsoc LinuxBIOS http://wiki.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Andres J. <gan...@gm...> - 2005-08-29 09:57:22
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2005/8/29, John van V. <joh...@ya...>: > Ok, now go ahead turn all the DL docs into PDF in your openoffice so some > anti-GNU pro-Mircosoft sociopath can print his docs at ease and better su= ck up > to his boss >=20 If you are so pro-GNU you should care about there is available (at least) ONE free version of the docs. I don't care if extra versions are available in non-free froms.=20 =20 --=20 Andres Jimenez |
From: Rich D. <rd...@th...> - 2005-08-29 11:28:54
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On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 22:23 -0700, John van V. wrote: > Ok, now go ahead turn all the DL docs into PDF in your openoffice so some > anti-GNU pro-Mircosoft sociopath can print his docs at ease and better suck up > to his boss What would a microsoft kool-aid lover be doing around a D/L box? PDF docs are handy to many so that they may be easily printed and transported. I often like to read documentation while traveling, even if it might be only as far as the living room. > > I really cant believe that I am arguing the case for free software on a Linux > list I don't believe you are. There is nothing inherently wrong or closed or patented in PDF that I am aware of. You also seem to completely ignore the many open source PDF tools. > BTW, openoffice is problematic, I downloaded their manual on this 28.8 > connection today and tried to break it up into chapters. It took hours, > finally I succeeded by using NVU, with more effort > > They are trying to beat M$ at their own game and losing, the real answer is > what I did to spreadsheets in the mid 90s, I used (and still) persistent > complex structures and created an HTML reader/editor for them It's hard to agree with you here as Ooo allowed me to ditch windows permanently. Almost all of my customers and colleagues trade word documents and excel spreadsheets, and I could not use a platform that was unable to access them. Regards, Rich -- Current Conditions in Des Moines, IA Clear Temp 66.2F Winds calm |
From: John v. V. <joh...@ya...> - 2005-08-29 12:49:08
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> What would a microsoft kool-aid lover be doing around a D/L box? No freaking clue > It's hard to agree with you here as Ooo allowed me to ditch windows > permanently. Almost all of my customers and colleagues trade word > documents and excel spreadsheets, and I could not use a platform that > was unable to access them. you can read it but you cannot assume that they can read an open office doc What the CAN read is something in XML on their browser Linux Society Blog http://linux-society.blogspot.com/ Linux Society Group http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/lnxsoc LinuxBIOS http://wiki.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs |
From: Rich D. <rd...@th...> - 2005-08-29 13:41:42
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On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 05:48 -0700, John van V. wrote: > > It's hard to agree with you here as Ooo allowed me to ditch windows > > permanently. Almost all of my customers and colleagues trade word > > documents and excel spreadsheets, and I could not use a platform that > > was unable to access them. > you can read it but you cannot assume that they can read an open office doc I've had excellent results in creating ooo documents, saving them as .doc, .xls, or whatever, and then e-mailing them. Most never know. > > What the CAN read is something in XML on their browser Perhaps. I have a web site that generates documents for customers from XML. The XML is transformed into postscript and PDF. The finished output is much more appealing to the customers than the raw XML. |
From: John v. V. <joh...@ya...> - 2005-08-29 14:45:19
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It says, when you save to Word that things are going to be lost in the process.. Anyway this is an unholy waste of my time and I have no need for any kind of abuse and I rewrote and modularized all the DL build scripts 2 yrs ago, and there was never any real support for my project using DL as a foundation for other projects So fuck em --- Rich Duzenbury <rd...@th...> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 05:48 -0700, John van V. wrote: > > > It's hard to agree with you here as Ooo allowed me to ditch windows > > > permanently. Almost all of my customers and colleagues trade word > > > documents and excel spreadsheets, and I could not use a platform that > > > was unable to access them. > > you can read it but you cannot assume that they can read an open office doc > I've had excellent results in creating ooo documents, saving them > as .doc, .xls, or whatever, and then e-mailing them. Most never know. > > > > > What the CAN read is something in XML on their browser > Perhaps. I have a web site that generates documents for customers from > XML. The XML is transformed into postscript and PDF. The finished > output is much more appealing to the customers than the raw XML. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > _______________________________________________ > Devil-linux-discuss mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss > Linux Society Blog http://linux-society.blogspot.com/ Linux Society Group http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/lnxsoc LinuxBIOS http://wiki.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs |
From: Rich D. <rd...@th...> - 2005-08-29 18:18:14
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On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 07:45 -0700, John van V. wrote: > It says, when you save to Word that things are going to be lost in the > process.. Actually, it warns that things 'may' get lost. And you can turn off the warning if you choose. I haven't noticed anything serious with ooo writer, but I don't use any of the 'oddball' features. > > Anyway this is an unholy waste of my time and I have no need for any kind of > abuse and I rewrote and modularized all the DL build scripts 2 yrs ago, and > there was never any real support for my project using DL as a foundation for > other projects I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I don't think anyone is attempting to 'abuse' you. I only replied to the thread when you indicated that you could not locate PDF creation tools. > > So fuck em Tell us how you really feel. |
From: Martin H. <ma...@ho...> - 2005-08-29 06:21:30
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At 20:48 Uhr -0700 28.08.2005, John van V. wrote: >I looked REALLY hard for a easy to use free and open PDF writer and couldnt >find one, the best was a workaround designed to convert mainframe man type >pages into something palatable, and the bug history looked a little scary maybe http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ helps. #m |