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Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] RUNFROMRAM is not working?

[Dmitry K. <dm...@dz...>]

On Tuesday 27 February 2007 22:02, Friedrich Lobenstock wrote:
> Hi Dmitry!
>
> Dmitry Komarov wrote on 27.02.2007 13:54 MET:
> > Short update:
> >
> > If I boot the system with separate configuration media (i.e. on USB
> > stick) it loads into RAM as expected. But if I start the system without
> > configuration media (the CD is preconfigured before burning and has
> > RUNFROMRAM=y option) then it still mounts the CD and runs from it. How
> > can I fix this?
>
> Can you please specify what "the CD is preconfigured before burning and has
> RUNFROMRAM=y option" means?
>
> Are you talking about boot loader options? If yes, then this is currently
> not supported as you need to have a configuration which contains the
> "RUNFROMRAM=y" setting.
I mean that before building the ISO I have patched the master sysconfig/config 
file to have RUNFROMRAM=y option. So it went to CD image with this option 
already enabled.


>
> > On Tuesday 27 February 2007 14:33, Dmitry Komarov wrote:
> >>My /etc/sysconfig/config file has RUNFROMRAM=y option enabled, but I see
> >>that my boot CD is still mounted and the root filesystem still runs from
> >>CD.
> >>
> >>Do I misunderstand the purpose of that option or something goes wrong?
> >> What I need is to boot the system from the CD or USB flash, remove the
> >> boot media and let the system run from memory.
> >>
> >>My compressed ISO image uses CRAMFS and is 76 MB in size. The host PC has
> >>256 MB RAM.

-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Komarov

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] RUNFROMRAM is not working?

[Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...>]

Hi Dmitry!

Dmitry Komarov wrote on 27.02.2007 13:54 MET:
> Short update:
> 
> If I boot the system with separate configuration media (i.e. on USB stick) it 
> loads into RAM as expected. But if I start the system without configuration 
> media (the CD is preconfigured before burning and has RUNFROMRAM=y option) 
> then it still mounts the CD and runs from it. How can I fix this?

Can you please specify what "the CD is preconfigured before burning and has 
RUNFROMRAM=y option" means?

Are you talking about boot loader options? If yes, then this is currently 
not supported as you need to have a configuration which contains the 
"RUNFROMRAM=y" setting.

> On Tuesday 27 February 2007 14:33, Dmitry Komarov wrote:
> 
>>My /etc/sysconfig/config file has RUNFROMRAM=y option enabled, but I see
>>that my boot CD is still mounted and the root filesystem still runs from
>>CD.
>>
>>Do I misunderstand the purpose of that option or something goes wrong? What
>>I need is to boot the system from the CD or USB flash, remove the boot
>>media and let the system run from memory.
>>
>>My compressed ISO image uses CRAMFS and is 76 MB in size. The host PC has
>>256 MB RAM.

-- 
MfG / Regards
Friedrich Lobenstock
____________________________________________________________________
Friedrich Lobenstock                       Linux Services Lobenstock
URL: http://www.lsl.at/                         Email: fl...@fl...
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Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Memory Errors

[Szabo E. <sz...@on...>]

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Matthew Hattersley wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I'm having a weird one here. Processes keep dying on my DL boxes (I have
> over 70 out in the wild).

I have over 20 boxes running 1.2.8 and 1.2.11 but never experienced the
same. I use them for openvpn termination though.

[...]
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)
> VM: killing process procinfo
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
[...]

> This is the output from dmesg. This kills a load of daemons which really
> messes things up. Any ideas?
maybe procinfo?

it is (re)spawned by the init:

# grep proc /etc/inittab
8:2345:respawn:env - TERM=linux /bin/procinfo -f -F /dev/tty8

AFAIK VM kills the process that uses the maximum RSS (the non-swapped
physical memory that the process used). Look for any memleaking
ever-growing process during normal operation.

Good luck,

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Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Memory Errors

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> I'm having a weird one here. Processes keep dying on my DL boxes (I have
> over 70 out in the wild).
> 
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)
> VM: killing process procinfo
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xb2/0)
> __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)
> 
> This is the output from dmesg. This kills a load of daemons which really
> messes things up. Any ideas?

My guess is you're out of memory.  How much memory & swap does it have?
What's the output of `free`?

 - BS

[Devil-Linux-discuss] Memory Errors

[Matthew H. <mat...@va...>]

Hi guys,

I'm having a weird one here. Processes keep dying on my DL boxes (I have
over 70 out in the wild).

__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0x1d2/0)
VM: killing process procinfo
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0xb2/0)
__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=3D0x1d2/0)

This is the output from dmesg. This kills a load of daemons which really
messes things up. Any ideas?

Cheers

Mat Hattersley

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Canada timezone files

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

On Tue, February 27, 2007 07:51, Bruce Smith wrote:
> I just checked the updates into CVS for the new North America daylight
> savings time change.  We should be able to get a new release out soon,
> depending on how many other changes Heiko wants to make first.
>
> We'll keep you posted!  :-)

Only the pending software updates, I'm working on this today.
We should be able to release 1.2.13 this weekend.

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] layer7 in DL 1.2.12

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

On Tue, February 27, 2007 05:47, Mgr. Motycka Jiri wrote:
> Dood day.
>
>
> I have upgraded from version 1.2.10 of Devil Linux to version 1.2.12 and
> i have seen, that is missing the library
> /usr/lib/iptables/libipt_layer7.so
> in this new version. This library was presented in version 1.2.10.
>
> Now this command and similar:
> iptables -m layer7
>
> exits with: iptables v1.3.7: Couldn't load match
> `layer7':/usr/lib/iptables/libipt_layer7.so: cannot open shared object
> file: No such file or directory
>
>
> Is something new or different in version 1.2.12 than in version 1.2.10 ?
>
>
> Sorry, if this question was seen here before. I am new at this maillist,
> but I didn't find any similar question in archives.

This problem will be fixed in DL 1.2.13, which will be released this weekend.

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Canada timezone files

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

I just checked the updates into CVS for the new North America daylight
savings time change.  We should be able to get a new release out soon,
depending on how many other changes Heiko wants to make first.

We'll keep you posted!  :-)

 - BS

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] RUNFROMRAM is not working?

[Dmitry K. <dm...@dz...>]

Short update:

If I boot the system with separate configuration media (i.e. on USB stick) it 
loads into RAM as expected. But if I start the system without configuration 
media (the CD is preconfigured before burning and has RUNFROMRAM=y option) 
then it still mounts the CD and runs from it. How can I fix this?

On Tuesday 27 February 2007 14:33, Dmitry Komarov wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My /etc/sysconfig/config file has RUNFROMRAM=y option enabled, but I see
> that my boot CD is still mounted and the root filesystem still runs from
> CD.
>
> Do I misunderstand the purpose of that option or something goes wrong? What
> I need is to boot the system from the CD or USB flash, remove the boot
> media and let the system run from memory.
>
> My compressed ISO image uses CRAMFS and is 76 MB in size. The host PC has
> 256 MB RAM.

-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Komarov

[Devil-Linux-discuss] RUNFROMRAM is not working?

[Dmitry K. <dm...@dz...>]

Hello,

My /etc/sysconfig/config file has RUNFROMRAM=y option enabled, but I see that 
my boot CD is still mounted and the root filesystem still runs from CD.

Do I misunderstand the purpose of that option or something goes wrong? What I 
need is to boot the system from the CD or USB flash, remove the boot media 
and let the system run from memory. 

My compressed ISO image uses CRAMFS and is 76 MB in size. The host PC has 256 
MB RAM.

-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Komarov

[Devil-Linux-discuss] layer7 in DL 1.2.12

[Mgr. M. J. <mai...@vc...>]

Dood day.

I have upgraded from version 1.2.10 of Devil Linux to version 1.2.12 and i
have seen, that is missing the library /usr/lib/iptables/libipt_layer7.so
in this new version. This library was presented in version 1.2.10.

Now this command and similar:
iptables -m layer7

exits with:
iptables v1.3.7: Couldn't load match
`layer7':/usr/lib/iptables/libipt_layer7.so: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory

Is something new or different in version 1.2.12 than in version 1.2.10 ?

Sorry, if this question was seen here before. I am new at this maillist,
but I didn't find any similar question in archives.

Thanks

Jiri Motycka

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] jailkit problem when building 1.2 system

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

On Mon, February 26, 2007 10:18, Dmitry Komarov wrote:
> On Monday 26 February 2007 17:57, Bruce Smith wrote:
>
>>>>> I'm not quite new to devil-linux and have used the distro for
>>>>> several projects in the past. But it's always a pain when you want
>>>>> to rebuild it yourself - even the "stable" 1.2.xx branch. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Now again I need to compile a smaller version of DL with reduced
>>>>> number of applications. But the build process stops at jailkit
>>>>> claiming I need to have Python installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas? Python is enabled in .config file, base system is
>>>>> lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2
>>>>
>>>> It's stopping in the 'build' phase (as opposed to the 'install'
>>>> phase)?
>>>>
>>>> Check the logs for jailkit and Python in /data/build/tmp/LOGS/build
>>>>  (in the LFS chroot).  Anything helpful there?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's stopping at build phase. Nothing more helpfull in the log
>>> except the statement that I have to have Python installed for jailkit
>>> to compile.
>>>
>>> I even tried to make a fake "done" flag for jailkit and wait for the
>>> other packages to compile first (it helped me in the past in some
>>> cases). But even if I try to build the jailkit as the last package -
>>> the same error there.
>>
>> Are you SURE that Python built OK?  Check it's log file.
>>
>>
>> Inside the chroot, type:  python
>> followed by two TAB's.  It should list all python binaries in your path:
>>
>>
>> root:/data/build# python
>> python     python2    python2.3
>>
>
> Miracle.
>
>
> After removing everything under /build/tmp and re-running make again -
> everything compiled OK.
>
> What can be the issue?..

Sometimes things get messed up when you're doing testing.
If you have strange problems, there are always 2 things you should do:
1) delete the lfssystem folder and unpack to have a fresh and clean build
system
2) run 'make mrproper' to clean up build/tmp

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] logrotate kills named logging

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> On Mon, February 26, 2007 15:23, Dick Middleton wrote:
>> Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, February 18, 2007 17:21, Dick Middleton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've just realized that named logging stops after logrotate reloads
>>>> syslog-ng. I have to restart named to restore named logging.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not too sure how named communicates with syslog but I guess this
>>>> is a jail problem.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody else have this problem or perhaps an explantion?  Maybe I'm
>>>> missing something from my named.conf (which has no logging options set
>>>>  i.e. uses defaults).
>>> Which version of DL are you on, since we changed the jail behavior a
>>> while ago?
>> 1.2.11
>>
>>
>> It seems to be to do with /dev/log not being connect to syslog after
>> syslog is restarted.
> 
> Yeah that would explain it.
> I think we should avoid restarting syslog-ng, I got to look into it.

logrotate has a copytruncate option which can be used to avoid restarting the 
app.  It works fine and resolves this problem for normal operations.  I've 
changed most of the logrotate scripts to use it anyway.

However it doesn't fix the underlying problem.  I'm thinking, FWIW, that having 
a tempfs for jail communicating sockets which can be bind mounted where it's 
needed might solve these problems.

Dick

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] logrotate kills named logging

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

On Mon, February 26, 2007 15:23, Dick Middleton wrote:
> Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>
>> On Sun, February 18, 2007 17:21, Dick Middleton wrote:
>>
>>> I've just realized that named logging stops after logrotate reloads
>>> syslog-ng. I have to restart named to restore named logging.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not too sure how named communicates with syslog but I guess this
>>> is a jail problem.
>>>
>>> Anybody else have this problem or perhaps an explantion?  Maybe I'm
>>> missing something from my named.conf (which has no logging options set
>>>  i.e. uses defaults).
>>
>> Which version of DL are you on, since we changed the jail behavior a
>> while ago?
>
> 1.2.11
>
>
> It seems to be to do with /dev/log not being connect to syslog after
> syslog is restarted.

Yeah that would explain it.
I think we should avoid restarting syslog-ng, I got to look into it.

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] logrotate kills named logging

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> On Sun, February 18, 2007 17:21, Dick Middleton wrote:
>> I've just realized that named logging stops after logrotate reloads
>> syslog-ng. I have to restart named to restore named logging.
>>
>>
>> I'm not too sure how named communicates with syslog but I guess this is a
>> jail problem.
>>
>> Anybody else have this problem or perhaps an explantion?  Maybe I'm
>> missing something from my named.conf (which has no logging options set
>> i.e. uses defaults).
> 
> Which version of DL are you on, since we changed the jail behavior a while
> ago?

1.2.11

It seems to be to do with /dev/log not being connect to syslog after syslog is 
restarted.

Dick

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] logrotate kills named logging

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

On Sun, February 18, 2007 17:21, Dick Middleton wrote:
> I've just realized that named logging stops after logrotate reloads
> syslog-ng. I have to restart named to restore named logging.
>
>
> I'm not too sure how named communicates with syslog but I guess this is a
> jail problem.
>
> Anybody else have this problem or perhaps an explantion?  Maybe I'm
> missing something from my named.conf (which has no logging options set
> i.e. uses defaults).

Which version of DL are you on, since we changed the jail behavior a while
ago?

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] jailkit problem when building 1.2 system

[Dmitry K. <dm...@dz...>]

On Monday 26 February 2007 17:57, Bruce Smith wrote:
> > > > I'm not quite new to devil-linux and have used the distro for several
> > > > projects in the past. But it's always a pain when you want to rebuild
> > > > it yourself - even the "stable" 1.2.xx branch. :(
> > > >
> > > > Now again I need to compile a smaller version of DL with reduced
> > > > number of applications. But the build process stops at jailkit
> > > > claiming I need to have Python installed.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas? Python is enabled in .config file, base system is
> > > > lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2
> > >
> > > It's stopping in the 'build' phase (as opposed to the 'install' phase)?
> > >
> > > Check the logs for jailkit and Python in /data/build/tmp/LOGS/build
> > > (in the LFS chroot).  Anything helpful there?
> >
> > Yes, it's stopping at build phase. Nothing more helpfull in the log
> > except the statement that I have to have Python installed for jailkit to
> > compile.
> >
> > I even tried to make a fake "done" flag for jailkit and wait for the
> > other packages to compile first (it helped me in the past in some cases).
> > But even if I try to build the jailkit as the last package - the same
> > error there.
>
> Are you SURE that Python built OK?  Check it's log file.
>
> Inside the chroot, type:  python
> followed by two TAB's.  It should list all python binaries in your path:
>
> root:/data/build# python
> python     python2    python2.3
>

Miracle.

After removing everything under /build/tmp and re-running make again - 
everything compiled OK.

What can be the issue?..
-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Komarov

IT Project Manager
SIA CITYNET
22/24 - 500 Katolu str.
Riga, LV-1003
Latvia

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] jailkit problem when building 1.2 system

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> > > I'm not quite new to devil-linux and have used the distro for several
> > > projects in the past. But it's always a pain when you want to rebuild it
> > > yourself - even the "stable" 1.2.xx branch. :(
> > >
> > > Now again I need to compile a smaller version of DL with reduced number
> > > of applications. But the build process stops at jailkit claiming I need
> > > to have Python installed.
> > >
> > > Any ideas? Python is enabled in .config file, base system is
> > > lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2
> >
> > It's stopping in the 'build' phase (as opposed to the 'install' phase)?
> >
> > Check the logs for jailkit and Python in /data/build/tmp/LOGS/build
> > (in the LFS chroot).  Anything helpful there?
> 
> Yes, it's stopping at build phase. Nothing more helpfull in the log except the 
> statement that I have to have Python installed for jailkit to compile. 
> 
> I even tried to make a fake "done" flag for jailkit and wait for the other 
> packages to compile first (it helped me in the past in some cases). But even 
> if I try to build the jailkit as the last package - the same error there.

Are you SURE that Python built OK?  Check it's log file.

Inside the chroot, type:  python
followed by two TAB's.  It should list all python binaries in your path:

root:/data/build# python
python     python2    python2.3  

 -BS

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] jailkit problem when building 1.2 system

[Dmitry K. <dm...@dz...>]

On Monday 26 February 2007 17:05, Bruce Smith wrote:
> > I'm not quite new to devil-linux and have used the distro for several
> > projects in the past. But it's always a pain when you want to rebuild it
> > yourself - even the "stable" 1.2.xx branch. :(
> >
> > Now again I need to compile a smaller version of DL with reduced number
> > of applications. But the build process stops at jailkit claiming I need
> > to have Python installed.
> >
> > Any ideas? Python is enabled in .config file, base system is
> > lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2
>
> It's stopping in the 'build' phase (as opposed to the 'install' phase)?
>
> Check the logs for jailkit and Python in /data/build/tmp/LOGS/build
> (in the LFS chroot).  Anything helpful there?
>

Yes, it's stopping at build phase. Nothing more helpfull in the log except the 
statement that I have to have Python installed for jailkit to compile. 

I even tried to make a fake "done" flag for jailkit and wait for the other 
packages to compile first (it helped me in the past in some cases). But even 
if I try to build the jailkit as the last package - the same error there.

-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Komarov

IT Project Manager
SIA CITYNET
22/24 - 500 Katolu str.
Riga, LV-1003
Latvia

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] jailkit problem when building 1.2 system

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> I'm not quite new to devil-linux and have used the distro for several projects 
> in the past. But it's always a pain when you want to rebuild it yourself - 
> even the "stable" 1.2.xx branch. :( 
> 
> Now again I need to compile a smaller version of DL with reduced number of 
> applications. But the build process stops at jailkit claiming I need to have 
> Python installed. 
> 
> Any ideas? Python is enabled in .config file, base system is 
> lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2

It's stopping in the 'build' phase (as opposed to the 'install' phase)?

Check the logs for jailkit and Python in /data/build/tmp/LOGS/build  
(in the LFS chroot).  Anything helpful there?

 - BS

[Devil-Linux-discuss] jailkit problem when building 1.2 system

[Dmitry K. <dm...@dz...>]

Hello,

I'm not quite new to devil-linux and have used the distro for several projects 
in the past. But it's always a pain when you want to rebuild it yourself - 
even the "stable" 1.2.xx branch. :( 

Now again I need to compile a smaller version of DL with reduced number of 
applications. But the build process stops at jailkit claiming I need to have 
Python installed. 

Any ideas? Python is enabled in .config file, base system is 
lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2


-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Komarov

IT Project Manager
SIA CITYNET
22/24 - 500 Katolu str.
Riga, LV-1003
Latvia

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] devil and nagios

[Matthew H. <mat...@va...>]

Check your Directory directives in the apache config.=20

Also what does your apache error log say?

Cheers

Mat

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of
Marty Flyntz
Sent: 23 February 2007 19:12
To: dev...@li...
Subject: [Devil-Linux-discuss] devil and nagios

Hi all,

I've been working with devil for some months now, and absolutley love
it.  I was trying today to get nagios up and running, and seem to have
that working, however, I can't seem to get in via the web interface.  It
keeps  telling me /nagios is forbidden.  Any ideas?=20

--=20
Sincerely,

Marty Flyntz=20

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] mail server on devil-linux

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Rumen Yotov wrote:

> Recently installed devil-linux-1.2.12, very handy distro.
> Want to deploy postfix mail-server (on my home router).
> Created an LVM2 volume (imap), mounts OK.
> Need help on how to configure postfix and where to put mail-queue (maildir).
> Also need some IMAP-server (courier-imap,dovecot, etc) to access the mail.

http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html

I recommend dovecot.  It's a very good imap server and can also do sasl 
authentication for postfix should you need it.

Dick

[Devil-Linux-discuss] mail server on devil-linux

[Rumen Y. <ro...@ab...>]

Hi All,
Recently installed devil-linux-1.2.12, very handy distro.
Want to deploy postfix mail-server (on my home router).
Created an LVM2 volume (imap), mounts OK.
Need help on how to configure postfix and where to put mail-queue (maildir).
Also need some IMAP-server (courier-imap,dovecot, etc) to access the mail.
TIA. Rumen

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[Devil-Linux-discuss] devil and nagios

[Marty F. <mar...@gm...>]

Hi all,

I've been working with devil for some months now, and absolutley love it.  I
was trying today to get nagios up and running, and seem to have that
working, however, I can't seem to get in via the web interface.  It keeps
telling me /nagios is forbidden.  Any ideas?

-- 
Sincerely,

Marty Flyntz