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AW: [Devil-linux-develop] donations

[Gunther S. <Gu...@St...>]

Hello,

first of all: I like the idea of donations very much. People CAN pay but
they aren't forced to. (Paypal would be fine since it's easy to use and
fast. A server in a 1U-design for example doesn't cost more than 600 ?uros)

Before we think about changeing the license we have to think about one
important question: who owns the devil-linux code. A lot of people have
contributed code to the devil-linux community. If we change the license and
charge any fees we'll have to ask everyone for his permission, right ?
I remember that sourceforge did the same when they changed the license.


We have to make sure that devillinux will be available for free to every
private user.

The idea of a enterprise-license for companies is not bad.
What about additional alternative models of makeing money: selling support,
selling the development of specific modules and consulting and so...

If you have a look at Mnogosearch, a free search-engine,
(http://www.stammwitz.de/mirrors/udmsearch/) you'll see that they are
offering the software for free, BUT:
- the windows version consts money
- the user can pay for an installation-service of the software on his
machine
- it might be possible to sell this product as an ASP which runs on the
sellers machine and indexes a customers website.


Bye,
Gunther
-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]Im Auftrag von
Friedrich Lobenstock
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Februar 2002 14:20
An: Devil-Linux-Developer Mailing Liste
Betreff: Re: [Devil-linux-develop] donations


Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I was thinking about opening a paypal account for donations to
Devil-Linux.
> We would see by this way, how much the people really would really donate.
>
> Another thing I was thinking about,  to do it like Dansguardin (
> http://dansguardian.intmain.com/ ) and give out a download license.
> This means that DL is still under GPL, but companies have to pay a
> certain amount in order to have a valid DL license.
> I was thinking  about an amount between $10-$50 per company and release.
> Personal use and non-profit organizations for free, of course. This
> means it would be an enterprise license for the current release (they
> can install as many servers as they want).
> Active developers would have special rights, of course.

Doesn't that interfere with SF?

> Another thing would be including commercial virus scanners and other
> products. But for this, we would have to provide a commercial and free
> version. But I don't like this idea.
> But I have the bad feeling, that we have to do it, to get there, where
> we want to be.
>
> When we do this, we could eventualy effort our long planned own server
> and other services. What do you think about it?
>
> Does somebody have some knowledge about the tax situation? I'm currently
> living in the U.S., but I'm pretty sure that there will be some issues.

For sure you'll have to talk to a tax expert.

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Friedrich Lobenstock

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Re: AW: [Devil-linux-develop] donations

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Gunther Stammwitz wrote:

>first of all: I like the idea of donations very much. People CAN pay but
>they aren't forced to. (Paypal would be fine since it's easy to use and
>fast. A server in a 1U-design for example doesn't cost more than 600 ?uros)
>
Gunther you should know this: when a company gives a donation, do they 
need any receipts?
I think for this, we would have to create a organization, to be legal.

>Before we think about changeing the license we have to think about one
>important question: who owns the devil-linux code. A lot of people have
>contributed code to the devil-linux community. If we change the license and
>charge any fees we'll have to ask everyone for his permission, right ?
>I remember that sourceforge did the same when they changed the license.
>
Right. Changing the license is currently the last option for me.

>We have to make sure that devillinux will be available for free to every
>private user.
>
That's for sure and will never change.

>The idea of a enterprise-license for companies is not bad.
>
The goal is not to make a lot of money (but would be nice), it's more to 
support the project.

>What about additional alternative models of makeing money: selling support,
>selling the development of specific modules and consulting and so...
>
I was also thinking about this: selling CDs, selling firewall rules, ....
We can also append the following to the license: when people earn money 
with Devil-Linux (any type of services), they have to donate 10%.

-- 

cu
  Heiko

http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: AW: [Devil-linux-develop] donations

[Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
> Gunther Stammwitz wrote:
> 
> >first of all: I like the idea of donations very much. People CAN pay but
> >they aren't forced to. (Paypal would be fine since it's easy to use and
> >fast. A server in a 1U-design for example doesn't cost more than 600 ?uros)
> >
> Gunther you should know this: when a company gives a donation, do they
> need any receipts?

IMO yes they will need receipts.

> I think for this, we would have to create a organization, to be legal.

As a direct conclusion from above, yes!


> >Before we think about changeing the license we have to think about one
> >important question: who owns the devil-linux code. A lot of people have
> >contributed code to the devil-linux community. If we change the license and
> >charge any fees we'll have to ask everyone for his permission, right ?
> >I remember that sourceforge did the same when they changed the license.
> >
> Right. Changing the license is currently the last option for me.
> 
> >We have to make sure that devillinux will be available for free to every
> >private user.
> >
> That's for sure and will never change.
> 
> >The idea of a enterprise-license for companies is not bad.
> >
> The goal is not to make a lot of money (but would be nice), it's more to
> support the project.
> 
> >What about additional alternative models of makeing money: selling support,
> >selling the development of specific modules and consulting and so...
> >
> I was also thinking about this: selling CDs, selling firewall rules, ....
> We can also append the following to the license: when people earn money
> with Devil-Linux (any type of services), they have to donate 10%.

The big problem for free projects, who will pay the bill for server, 
internet connection, ..... will donations help or do we need to get
commercial?

-- 
MfG / Regards
Friedrich Lobenstock

Re: AW: [Devil-linux-develop] donations

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Friedrich Lobenstock wrote:

>>I think for this, we would have to create a organization, to be legal.
>>
>
>As a direct conclusion from above, yes!
>
I was expecting this. :-(

>
>The big problem for free projects, who will pay the bill for server, 
>internet connection, ..... will donations help or do we need to get
>commercial?
>
I see, there is a lot of investigation work to be done.
The only way with going commercial, would be to provide services around 
Devil-Linux. But for me, I don't have that much time to do it.
The only "easy" services I see currently see, are the ones I wrote 
before (selling CDs, providing initial and good firewall rules).
On the otherhand, I don't wanna really do it.

-- 

cu
  Heiko

http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: AW: [Devil-linux-develop] donations

[Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
> >The big problem for free projects, who will pay the bill for server,
> >internet connection, ..... will donations help or do we need to get
> >commercial?
> >
> I see, there is a lot of investigation work to be done.
> The only way with going commercial, would be to provide services around
> Devil-Linux. But for me, I don't have that much time to do it.
> The only "easy" services I see currently see, are the ones I wrote
> before (selling CDs, providing initial and good firewall rules).
> On the otherhand, I don't wanna really do it.

But how going commercial with the code being GPL?

-- 
MfG / Regards
Friedrich Lobenstock

Re: AW: [Devil-linux-develop] donations

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Friedrich Lobenstock wrote:

>Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>
>>>The big problem for free projects, who will pay the bill for server,
>>>internet connection, ..... will donations help or do we need to get
>>>commercial?
>>>
>>I see, there is a lot of investigation work to be done.
>>The only way with going commercial, would be to provide services around
>>Devil-Linux. But for me, I don't have that much time to do it.
>>The only "easy" services I see currently see, are the ones I wrote
>>before (selling CDs, providing initial and good firewall rules).
>>On the otherhand, I don't wanna really do it.
>>
>
>But how going commercial with the code being GPL?
>
The only way is to provide services around DL. The code itself should 
stay under the GPL.
When we decide otherway in the future, we can change this whenever we want.
But as I tried to explain, that's absolutely not my goal.

-- 

cu
  Heiko

http://www.devil-linux.org