Re: [Dev-C++] Fw: Project development ceased?

[Chris M. <lor...@gm...>]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
> Chris Miller wrote:
>  > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Reid Thompson <rei...@at...> wrote:
>  >> Chris Miller wrote:
>  >>  > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Reid Thompson <Rei...@at...> wrote:
>  >>  >> I've done some very simple stuff with it.  Basic hello world, etc.
>  >>  >>  Worked fine in that context.
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>  As a note.  Netbeans is the framework that SUN is basing their entire
>  >>  >>  development suite on, for SOLARIS and INTEL chipsets.  I.E. Sun Studio
>  >>  >>  12 is 'Netbeans' -- I'd expect it to be able to do most anything you'd
>  >>  >>  want. for that matter, I think Sun Studio 12 is available for free
>  >>  >>  download...
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Good grief!  That's a shame, since I gave NetBeans a good, long try
>  >>  > and found it completely inferior to Eclipse in every way save for Java
>  >>  > tracing and profiling.  Specifically, the editing support was
>  >>  > horrible.  The indentation engine was all wrong, and the whole
>  >>  > look-n-feel was just singularly unprofessional.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Just proves my point: Eclipse is the new Emacs ("Looks like he's
>  >>  > heading for that small operating system! \ That's no operating system!
>  >>  >  That's an application! \ I wonder what it's called... \ This is the
>  >>  > Death Star Emacs!  Lower your patents and surrender your code!
>  >>  > Resistance is futile!  Your technological distinctiveness will be
>  >>  > assimilated and become our own!  We are the Emacs!")
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Yes, I know I just fused Star Wars and Star Trek.  Bite me.
>  >>  >
>  >>  What was the issue with editing support?
>  >>  What was wrong with the indentation engine?
>  >
>  > It really didn't conform well the the K&R way of doing things.  In the
>  > interest of saving time, I'll just stop the format wars now and say
>  > that there is no "right" way to format and indent your code.
>  not intending to start one... just surprised to hear that that you found
>  indentation issues.  i've not had any problems configuring NB to conform to any
>  need.

Yeah, it was weird.  I keep dreaming of an editor which fuses the best
of Netbeans (the GUI editor and profiling) and Eclipse (the source
editing - editing stuff in Eclipse is absolutely divine!  I have yet
to find ANY editor which comes close).  Given the state of affairs
between Sun and Eclipse Foundation, I really doubt that'll happen.

Eclipse is still the new Emacs. ;)

>    I like
>  > K&R.  NetBeans could not support K&R for some reason.
>  Which version?  6.0 appears to format K&R by default.

Hmm..  That's odd.  I never got it to work.  I eventually gave up and
just ran the profiler in NetBeans and then used Eclipse for writing
the app.

I liked the NetBeans GUI builder a bit better, but I found Eclipse's
to be a lot more sturdy when using tabbed views.

> >
>  > Personally, I hate fighting my editor when I'm coding.  Other people
>  > can be different, that's okay, but I have a legitimate weakness in
>  > NetBeans because it's very difficult to just code in it because it's
>  > so bad at adapting to various indentation styles.
>  understood again, generally all the code that i deal with is pretty consistent
>  as to style.

Yeah, my style is really really compact.  Here's a D example
(unfinished, just an expository example) to prove it:

		file=new FileConduit(filename, FileConduit.ReadWriteOpen);
		scope(exit) file.close;
		// eat the file by line and parse the INI file!
		LineInput tknzr=new LineInput(file.input);
		char[] current_header; uint tmp;
		foreach(line; tknzr) {
			if(line[0]=='[') { // it's a header
				line=line[1..$-1]; // cut out the
				// header info; find the first header
				// name
				tmp=txtUtil.locate(line, ".");
As you can see, I prefer compact code.  It comes from working on
low-resolution monitors.  Then when I work on my dual-monitor
workstation it's great, 'cause I can see so much more without
scrolling :)

> >
>  > Otherwise I think NetBeans is great!  It's got a beautiful profiler
>  > that I used a lot to diagnose bad code for friends.  I helped kill a
>  > really bad bug in a codebase for a Robotics club that caused horrific
>  > amounts of allocation and deallocation of memory by just finding that
>  > in a single spot they used String+=String, instead of a StringBuilder
>  > (Strings in Java are immutable).
>  heh  the !one! thing for me is jVi..

I never really liked vi.  I was always partial to pico.  Could have
been a bad experience with my not being able to figure out how to get
out of it (I was *very* new to Linux).

> >
>  > I just prefer Eclipse.
>  >
>  > Right now I'm using the D Programming Language, so I'm using neither
>  > of the two at the moment.  So there!  I have less bias!
>  >
>  > Note: try to hit the reply-to-all button, since you're missing the
>  > list and just mailing me!
>  Yeah,, I realized i hit the wrong button too late,, but didn't want to duplicate
>   the email.

Yeah, we've all been there.  It just happened twice so I thought it
might be necessary to give a reminder.  I'm horrible with names, so
that I treat everyone with equal status on mailing lists is simply
because I can't remember anyone anyways.  So how could I remember if
you're new here or if you've been around for a while?  Just my little
problem.

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